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61-79-list-digest Thursday, September 30 1999 Volume 03 : Number 353



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In this issue:

RE: FTE 61-79 - NP205 Troubleshooting Question, Trans brake?
RE: FTE 61-79 - NP205 Troubleshooting Question, Trans brake?
FTE 61-79 - 390 Headers
RE: FTE 61-79 - 4x4 vans,NP205, 460 and much more :-)
FTE 61-79 - 75 Explorer stripes, sources?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear End Question
Re: FTE 61-79 - 74 f250 gas mileage
FTE 61-79 - 400 flex plate work on 460??
FTE 61-79 - 71 Floor Pans
FTE 61-79 - Bleeding Brakes
RE: FTE 61-79 - Car-o-scope
RE: FTE 61-79 - 3.8 head gasket blower, AOD :-(
FTE 61-79 - 75 Explorer stripes
Re: FTE 61-79 - 390 Headers
FTE 61-79 - Saftey/Mechanic Burns
FTE 61-79 - Re: 75 Explorer Stripes
Re: FTE 61-79 - NP205 Troubleshooting Question, Trans brake?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Car-o-scope
Re: FTE 61-79 - 400

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 12:50:54 -0500
From: Jeff Lester
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - NP205 Troubleshooting Question, Trans brake?

Hey Gary,

Precisely, I couldn't have said it better myself. The only difference
is that I experience the same problem in park (now) that I do in
neutral. I laughed when I read your post , because this is
exactly what I go thru. I have been meaning to ask you about your
van, after I read a post of yours a while back. It isn't a 4x4, is it?
You said it had a 460/C6/33" combo. What kind of gears???
Mine bogs at low rpm, and I am wondering where to start. It
has 35" BFG MT's and 3.73's. Oh yeah... 460/C6/NP205, too.
I guess I need to pull the doghouse, and ID the carb first...
Any thoughts before I start?

Jeff Lester and Scooby - La Porte, Texas
78 Ford E350 4x4, 460, C6, NP205, D44/70, 35" BFG MT's
http://www.ford-trucks.com/pictorial/big/1978_e350_1.html

On Wednesday, September 29, 1999 10:41 AM, Peters, Gary (G.R.) [SMTP:gpeters3 visteon.com] wrote:
> This has always been a problem for me. How do you get it reliably into low
> range with an auto? In park of course the gears can't move to align
> themselves and in neutral the input shaft is spinning and the ouput shaft is
> stationary so they will grind. Over the years I had my van I used to
> alternate between the two trying to decide which has the best chance of
> working but never really came to any conclusion except that, with a little
> grinding, I could always get it in in neutral and it was 50/50 in park :-)
> In neutral a quick shove usually got it done with no grinding but if you
> tarry.........you wind up in limbo and have to shut the engine off to get it
> in :-( Your park pawl is probably worn out due to this very scenerio
> because the other option is to slam it into park to stop the input shaft,
> put some mighty pressure on the shifter and take it back out of park. A
> very noisy operation to say the least but at least you don't have to shut
> the engine off :-)
>
> --
> Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
> 78 Bronco Loving, Gary
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167
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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 14:14:46 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - NP205 Troubleshooting Question, Trans brake?

How many hands did you say you had again....??? That was my experience too.
Iffy at best in any case. The manual is much more friendly in this regard
:-) With an auto, neutral in the xfer case is a no-no, with manual it
doesn't matter since you can stop the shaft from spining simply by touching
the syncros in any gear with clutch in :-)

I get tired of shifting my daily driver, day after day but the advantages of
a stick in a work truck are hard to argue with. I've got stuck simply
because the engine bogged with an auto and couldn't get the power back up
quickly enough to save it since it was hooked up. With the stick I just
nail the clutch, get the r's up and let 'er back out or slip it to keep the
r's up. My poorly tuned Holley let me down more than once on that van with
460 which couldn't pull a festiva when that carb started gurgling on it's
own vomit :-( SO EXASPERATING!!! There you are sinking like a rock and all
that power potential, completely useless because of a stupid Holley! :-(
Ok, that was only part of it, the dizzy wasn't curved right and the manifold
wasn't matched right and the manifold was cold and..........:-) Stinking
flat spot gets me every stinking time. Just when you need everything to
work perfectly the flat spot rises to the occasion......again :-( Could
have saved it if I'd had a stick at the time :-)

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Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167
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> > This has always been a problem for me. How do you get it
> reliably into low
> > range with an auto? In park of course the gears can't move to align
>
> I usually back up, then while rolling backwards put the trans
> in neutral
> and move the transfer case in low. As long as you don't STAY
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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 14:44:50 EDT
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 390 Headers

Hey Ed,

Just installed a set of Sanderson shorties on a 428 (same as 390)....they fit
real tight and are the cleanest I've seen. I ran with the full-length
Cyclones for about 18 years and am tired of leaks and all the space they take
up..(mine is a 1/2-ton 4x4, and the front driveline rubbed and slightly
smashed in the collector from time to time)..haven't started the motor yet,
but I'm assuming these are the a good solution.....good enough that I think
even Wish is going get a set!!!!!!!! (if he can ever stop spending money on
that Mustang!!!!!!!!!)

Anyway, the coating was provided by someone named "Airborne" and it looks
pretty tough....hope this helps!!!!!

CJ




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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 14:47:03 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 4x4 vans,NP205, 460 and much more :-)

Yes, it was 4x4, made it myself :-) Used bronco parts and lots of ingenuity
:-) If it bogs with 35" tires and 3.73 gears you need the wide ratio tranny
and some engine work :-) The engine HAS TO RUN CLEAN with an auto if you
want to have any fun :-)

Run a hot manifold, hot air intake, OEM spread bore (rebuilt of course) and
wide ratio C-6 and your bogging days will be over :-) That same engine has
this setup but with 2.75 gears now in a 78 Pickup and will burn the tires
off in low gear with no effort at all :-) (stock size tires) It hasn't
bogged since I got rid of the Holley (sold it for $20).

One thing you will notice in the van is the engine bay gets hot, real hot
and all the stuff in there rots pretty fast and gas boils in the lines on a
hot day and.......

Every time I drive by a short box van for sale I have to make myself drive
by and look away with tears in my eyes....I LOVED MY 4X4, LONG WHEEL BASE
BRONCO!!!! but it died of Michigan cancer :-( It was a rusty, black, short
box 75 E-150. Had more fun with that truck than anything I ever owned
except maybe the bronco and it still needs the 460 to get even (got a couple
sitting in the barn) :-)

The van had this other nagging problem....the intake snout was attached to a
rubber thing that came out in the grill and when I plowed into a snow bank
because I couldn't stop at 50 mph it stuffed it full of snow. Stupid truck
anyway! :-)

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Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167
- --

> You said it had a 460/C6/33" combo. What kind of gears???
> Mine bogs at low rpm, and I am wondering where to start. It
> has 35" BFG MT's and 3.73's. Oh yeah... 460/C6/NP205, too.
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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 13:51:50 -0500
From: John Strauss
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 75 Explorer stripes, sources?

>Were the 75 Explorer stripes painted on, or a decal? I think the stripes
>look really cool and I want to put some on my 77 shortbed. I've looked most
>everywhere, and Autokrafters website. Does anyone have a source for vinyl
>reproductions of these stripes?
>
They were decals. But be aware that the 75, 76, and 77 have different
designs. The 75 was a thick stripe with a pinstripe surround that ran down
the truck on top of the bodyside moulding and crossed over the hood (my
personal favorite). The 76 had a stripe on top and a stripe on bottom of
the bodyside moulding and then another that accented the raised portion of
the hood. The 77 had the same design as the 76 on the hood but the side
stripe was again only on top of the bodyside moulding but ran the entire
length of the truck (as opposed to the 75 which crossed over the rear of
the hood) but it had a "kick-up" at the rear which ran up onto the top of
the bed rail.
_
_| ~~. John Strauss
\, *_} jstrauss inetport.com
\( Texas Fight!

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 12:59:12 -0600
From: "Danger"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear End Question

> Okay, that was an interesting discussion as to "posi" vs "limited-slip."
Now,
> can someone answer my initial question - What does a rear end code "B"
stand for
> ? Does it stand for limited-slip (Ford-speak) ? Is it any different than
> something else ? Is it superior/inferior to any other kind of "LSD" ?
I'd have
> the VIN on hand, except for the fact that my workspace is 175+ miles away
from
> where I live. The Lincoln is in northern MN, and I live in the Twin
Cities, so
> I can't just run out to the garage and grab the VIN for a VIN check.
>
> Brian Nyman
> bnyman allina.com
.............


I believe the "2 piece case" (aka PowerLoc?) limited slip is stronger
than the "2 pinion" (aka TractionLoc?) LS. A Haynes or Chilton manual shows
exploded views of both types. The only way I know to tell them apart is to
remove the cover and visually inspect the differential.
When I had new ring & pinion, bearings and clutch plates installed in my
69 F250, it cost about $800 but I was told it would last a very long time. I
asked, "Will it withstand a few full throttle burnouts"? The service tech
replied, "Yes, go for it, it's bulletproof". It didn't take me long to roast
a new clutch, P-plate, flywheel, and motor mounts in order to "stress test
the 2 piece case LS". After installing new mounts along with a 12"
CenterForce dual friction clutch and flywheel, everything seems to be
holding up just fine under extremely aggressive use (high RPM clutch
engagement & high traction conditions).


Danger
danger csolutions.net



Danger


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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 13:59:22 -0600
From: Kirk Baillie
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 74 f250 gas mileage

yes the stock tires come to about 31". Thanks for the info

"Peters, Gary (G.R.)" wrote:
>
> What was the old tire size? Most of these came with tires in the 30"
> diameter range. Based on that, assuming the 4.10's were stock (most were)
> you are off by 400 rpm or 10 mph according to my Excel spread sheet. Your
> stock rpm at 60 would have been 2810. With 35" tires it's 2409 at 60 mph.
> At 2810 with 35's and 4.10's your speed is 69.9 mph :-)
>
> --
> Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
> 78 Bronco Loving, Gary
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167
> --
>
>
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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:23:02 -0500
From: David.R.John deluxe.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 400 flex plate work on 460??

Hello,

Are we getting sick of all my questions from my 4spd to auto swap??? I
have to go to the almighty list to find out if the flex plate from my donor
400 vehicle will work with my 460? If not how can I get the parts guy to
understand that even though there was no 460 in a 4x4 in 1971 (block
casting number D1VE A2B) or in 1978 the year of the truck I still need a
flex plate. Just have him look it up for a car? I guess I am as lost as
he is. Does any one have a part number for the flex plate for this block
casting number? Thanks for the help.

David

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:09:46 -0700
From: "O'Connor"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 71 Floor Pans

For floor pans try Melvin's Classic Ford Parts in Goergia. Phone is
770-981-2357 and they are listed on page 55 for $49.95 each. Fax is
770-981-6207.

Tim
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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:51:01 -0700
From: "O'Connor"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Bleeding Brakes

Hi,
A few weeks ago, there was a lot of discussion about bleeding brakes with a
Mighty-Vac. Someone posted a website for them and they wanted about $30
for the kit. I found the Mighty-Vac kit at Auto Zone for $25 and it works
great. It truly is a one person system.

Tim
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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:55:06 -0700
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Car-o-scope


> If that ain't a statement and a half, While the Rock and I were on
> vacation
> I borrowed my buds Dodge. I had to make a serious dump run. So SWMBO
> and I load up the Dodge and head out, as we are slowing to turn into the
> dump the brake pedal goes to the floor, real sudden I'm trying to slow
> 3600lbs
> of junk, and 1500lbs of trash with the E brake. Not a hell of a lot of
> fun
> I can
> tell ya.
>

Which was the junk, The truck or the load ;0)
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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:19:19 -0700
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 3.8 head gasket blower, AOD :-(

I just got mine back from the shop and one of the things they replaced was
the mass airflow sensor. They claim that was related to the 1-2 shift
problem. I offer this for what it's worth.

Tom H.

> ----------
> From: Peters, Gary (G.R.)[SMTP:gpeters3 visteon.com]
> Reply To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 1999 6:38 AM
> To: '61-79-list ford-trucks.com'
> Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 3.8 head gasket blower, AOD :-(
>
> Gang, read this with care, it's EXACTLY what happens with the 94 :-( Mine
> is so bad now it even slips at 55 when I give it too much gas well after
> the
> shift is complete and all parts are well seated :-(
>
> Ditto the 3.8 :-) I'm sure it has some limits but I push mine just like
> any
> other engine I've had and it's running well at over 70k now :-) It is not
> abused by any means since it's the "Family" car but I don't baby it except
> for the 3-4 shift point.
>
> --
> Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
> 78 Bronco Loving, Gary
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167
> --
>
> > Tom, the tranny in your bird is probably a 4R70W, the failure
> > that Gary refers to is the torque converter (lock up clutch).
> > Early symptom is a shudder when going into 4th, which mine
> > has had for a couple of years now. The shudder can be very
> > subtle, I really only notice it when the car is cold (wife's
> > car). More recently, it has developed a very hard shift into
> > second, again when cold. I originally drove this car every day,
> > and NEVER liked the shifting - it seemed as though is was
> > programmed to get into OD as fast as possible, and stay there.
> > Probably Ford trying to boost its CAFE ratings (Corporate
> > Average Fuel Economy), as per federal mandates :-(
> >
> > No complaints about the 3.8, but it only has 80k miles on it. .
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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 20:33:05 -0700
From: "J.S.H."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 75 Explorer stripes

>75 Explorer stripes, sources?

If your stripes are in decent condition you could make a pattern off
of them and and paint them on.You just need the curves on each end
the dimensions for the straight lines.Get some Freska(sp)paper at a art
store.It is transparent,self adhesive masking paper.
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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 21:10:18 -0700
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 390 Headers

BDIJXS aol.com wrote:

> Hey Ed,
>
> Just installed a set of Sanderson shorties on a 428 (same as 390)....they fit
> real tight and are the cleanest I've seen. I ran with the full-length
> Cyclones for about 18 years and am tired of leaks and all the space they take
> up..(mine is a 1/2-ton 4x4, and the front driveline rubbed and slightly
> smashed in the collector from time to time)..haven't started the motor yet,
> but I'm assuming these are the a good solution.....good enough that I think
> even Wish is going get a set!!!!!!!! (if he can ever stop spending money on
> that Mustang!!!!!!!!!)
>
> Anyway, the coating was provided by someone named "Airborne" and it looks
> pretty tough....hope this helps!!!!!
>
> CJ
>

I have mine on my 390 and like you have not started it up yet. Probably won't
for another couple of months. I had 1 small problem. One of the bolts doesn't
fit between pipe and the flange. I was just going to taper the bolt so it will
slide in and hope there is still enough thread to to tighten down with. At
least there will be no more smashed collectors ;)

- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net
99 Contour
63 F-100 4x4
43 GPW


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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 00:29:10 -0400
From: "Marvin Meyer"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Saftey/Mechanic Burns

After reading this one in paper, thought I'd pass on. Local Mechanic caught
fire, severely burned while pouring gasoline down carburetor.
Well, I've had it happen, just try not to stop the starter,keep it
rolling over and the vac in the intake tract will draw flames inward. Better
yet, pour down when not turning over, then attempt to start.


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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 23:52:42 -0500
From: Brett L Habben
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 75 Explorer Stripes

Eric,
My '75 Explorer has the factory stripes and they are decals. If you
can't find them just paint them on. The easiest way to do this would be
to first make a cartoon/tracing of the existing decals before you
stripped the paint. You wouldn't actually have to trace the whole thing,
maybe just the hood section down across the font fenders where it makes
the turn back and then the rear tips. The section inbetween is a
straight run. Mask, prep, and shoot.
Brett
Super75cab
>Were the 75 Explorer stripes painted on, or a decal? I think the
stripes
>look really cool and I want to put some on my 77 shortbed. I've looked
most
>everywhere, and Autokrafters website. Does anyone have a source for
vinyl
>reproductions of these stripes?
>Eric Payne

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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 01:28:47 EDT
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - NP205 Troubleshooting Question, Trans brake?

In a message dated 9/29/1999 9:04:44 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
DJacobs northland-elec.com writes:


not the tranny. I had a Ford mechanic friend check out the tranny and that
wasn't the problem. So I have to be very careful of leaving truck running in
park. Looking for a new column when I have time. >>

The shifting collar that the shift lever goes into on the column is a casting
and it cracks and splits inside such that it does not lock properly and
eventually will prevent proper gear selection. A couple of weeks ago I
walked into my favorite auto salvage place carring the old collar. The
counter man turned around and pulled out a box with a brand new one in it and
ask if this is what I wanted. The price was $10.00. Still a real pain to
disassemble.
Burt Hill Kennewick, WA 1972 F-259 4x4 460
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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 01:34:08 -0400
From: Ted Wnorowski
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Car-o-scope

I truly got a kick out of this.

Boy oh boy, Ted, you picked a vehicle which is just about perfect for
you. Congratulations! For example, when compared to
other people
who own a Ford F250, you're just about the same in terms
of your age,
how much you really care about your car, and your income.

For example, your
educational level is a bit lower than that of other Ford
F250 owners,

My nationality shows at times, but I thought the school of hard knocks
counted for something.










Ted Wnorowski
Bellevue,OH
'64 F-250
352 transplant
4 speed
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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 22:48:52 PDT
From: "George Litton"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 400

Bas,

By your pictures, you have a 351M. Sorry to break the news, but I don't
want to mislead you.

I do not have a digital camera. Is there a way to post photos without
digitizing them? I was planning on taking some pictures of various cranks
and posting them for reference.

George Litton in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho.


>From: Bas van der Veer
>Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - 400....


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