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61-79-list-digest Wednesday, September 29 1999 Volume 03 : Number 351



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - Way to go Ken!!!!
Re: FTE 61-79 - Way to go Ken!!!!
FTE 61-79 - 79 f250 4x4 extended cab for sale
FTE 61-79 - Help! Failed emissions test
FTE 61-79 - RE: gas mileage
Re: FTE 61-79 - Help! Failed emissions test
RE: FTE 61-79 - NP205 Troubleshooting Question
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: gas mileage
FTE 61-79 - stopping hard
FTE 61-79 - 400

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 00:35:00 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Way to go Ken!!!!

At 11:32 PM 9/28/99 -0400, you wrote:
>I just got finished reading your postings at the Blue Oval News web site.
>Way to go!!! That guy is so rapped up in his own self importance that he
>is not seeing clearly. I like the way you kept on asking the same
>question over and over to see if he would answer. Nice touch.
>
>For all other list members this should be required reading. Go to
>blueovalnews.com and click on the message boards link. Look for the Ford
>vs Blueovalnews topic. Check out "BON should stick to the facts" and "The
>Answer". Ken does a good job of trying to pin that guy down.

Yeah, I saw some one ask him about speech protection of
threats. This intrigued me and got me wondering what was
meant. I did some digging and was shocked by what I found
out. I can't get into details because of confidentiality
issues.

I almost feel ashamed of my threads because I felt that I
was sinking to his level by even participating on the
boards. I was trying to talk reason and the problem is that
his beliefs are as firm as mine.

In case you guys haven't seen the site, check out fordnews.com.
Steve Blake, the web-master shares many of my beliefs on the
BON issue. One thing about Steve is he pulls no punches (we
actually started talking because of a disagreement).

It seems that the non-Mustang sites oppose BON and the Mustang
sites support them because BON blew the whistle. While I
believe the whistle needed to be blown, it was done in an
unprofessional way, which in my opinion, borders on the illegal.
I also don't believe we know the true motives behind the whistle
blowing. I used to really enjoy BON, especially back when it
was fordworldnews.com. But as time has passed, the site has
gotten more and more negative. It really saddens me. I think
BON's day in the spotlight is over and its days are numbered.

I'm staying away from the site. I don't think its a non-FTE
topic (you can disagree if you want) because this issue affects
all the Ford web sites out there. Not only our relationship
with our visitors, but also what Ford thinks of us. I'd rather
be seem as a community of friends than someone on a mission
of revenge. I think that FTE has succeeded in maintaining the
balance.

I'm friends with many of the members and the list of friends
grows all the time. FTE gives back by increasing our content
and scope of services every time our income base grows from
advertisers and the web site sales. We're looking to do some
really big things this fall that the users will really like.
For one thing, the archives are coming back on-line!!!!! We've
just added a ton of additional drive space and bandwidth and
we're looking for suggestions.

What would you like to see added?

On a final note, after the events of last Christmas and the
member we helped out after a house fire, I think as a group
FTE members should start thinking about some sort of charity
event for the fall. We could do it together with AFTE (the
non-profit club). AFTE is in need of its own event and could
actually host and manage the charity donations. Its got
the membership numbers (over 70) but, in my opinion, needs
something to do to help establish it's own identity. I'll
talk to them about it (can you see the gears turning in my
head now?)......

Ken Payne
Admin

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 00:40:45 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Way to go Ken!!!!

Ditto That! Ken I swear, every time I learn a lil bit about you, my respect
grows and grows. You truly are one of the better people around. And not
only because you own a Ford. Reading those posts reminded me of my high
school law class. We had a teacher that did not focus on the letter of the
law. That only adds to confusion, and then abuse. He was more concerned
with spirit. What the law was intended for. This is where America is going
wrong. Everyone is so scared that they might be infringing on the way
someone else interprets a law, that they bend over backwards. Not to long
ago I heard about a student that was kicked off the basketball team for
repeatedly breaking the no alcohol rule, even coming to school drunk. He is
now suing the school for $100,000 for damages, siting the Americans with
Disabilities Act. I cant stand this. Here we have a great country, and
people are taking advantage of it. What happened to Ethics? Sorry to rant,
but I had to add my point.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 00:51:33 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 79 f250 4x4 extended cab for sale

truck here local is for sale, pretty straight cab but has some rust in
unusual places but not severe. engine has rod protruding through pan,
drivetrain is supposed to be jam up and it looks good, bed will haul, but
neds replacing to make nice. he wants 2000.00 for it.

jeff grant
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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 22:15:05 -0700
From: jmckinney icehouse.net
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Help! Failed emissions test

I've just recently joined this list and I am hoping someone will be able to
give me a few pointers. I just bought a 1976 F150 4x4 with a 360 and C6.
It's in remarkably good shape considering what I paid for it ($1300). I've
been real happy with the truck but it failed it's emission test in a big
way. I'm no mechanic but I am hoping that I might be able to fiddle with it
enough to get it to pass on the next try. Money's kind of tight and my
wife's not real happy at the prospect of paying a mechanic to fix it for
me. From what I have been told by a few well meaning (perhaps uninformed?)
friends it seems like my problem might be the mixture setting on the carb.
My question is can anyone toss me a few tips on adjusting the mixture? The
only shop manual I have found so far basically says don't attempt it at
all. Besides the manual covers so many different models it seems pretty
useless anyway. So here are the particulars:

360 engine
Motorcraft 2bbl carb (2100? 2150? I don't know there's no tag on it)
No apparent vacumn leaks
Hoses seem to be in good shape
The mixture screws don't have the little limiter caps on them for what
that's worth
Truck runs great with a slightly rough idle
Test results:
idle : HC 1830 ppm (600 limit), CO% - 0.10 (3.00 limit)
cruise: HC 1402 ppm (600 limit), CO% - 0.23 (3.00 limit)

The guy that tested it said it was running too rich, the paperwork from the
state said the high HC readings indicate it is running too lean. I'm
supposed to take it to a shop on Tuesday to get it worked on but I kind of
want to take a crack at adjusting it myself and take advantage of the free
retest. So, should I just bite the bullet and pay to have this fixed or is
it worth having a go at it myself (like I said I'm no mechanic, but I'm not
completely incapable either). Thanks for any and all opinions.

Jim

jmckinney icehouse.net

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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 22:16:31 -0700
From: bedlee
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: gas mileage

I've got a '74 f250 crew cab. It has a 390 w/ auto. I was getting 10 mpg but
after changing plugs, wires, points, cap, and retiming I've been getting 12
mpg. It could be off though because of the tires that came on the truck.
They seem to be taller than original. I like the figures though! lol

Lee in WA
'74 F250 2WD Crew Cab


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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 22:40:10 -0700
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Help! Failed emissions test

If it has high HC readings then it is rich not lean. The HC is unburned gas
that is coming out the tail pipe. Two things to check the ignition (not
enough spark to burn the fuel), and the carb. It could be just that the
carb is set too ich, or there might be something broken leaking fuel into
the intake manifold.

Rade Spasojevic -- rspasoje mindspring.com
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.off -road. com /~2big/
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=194
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From: jmckinney icehouse.net
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 10:16 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Help! Failed emissions test


>I've just recently joined this list and I am hoping someone will be able to
>give me a few pointers. I just bought a 1976 F150 4x4 with a 360 and C6.
>It's in remarkably good shape considering what I paid for it ($1300). I've
>been real happy with the truck but it failed it's emission test in a big
>way. I'm no mechanic but I am hoping that I might be able to fiddle with it
>enough to get it to pass on the next try. Money's kind of tight and my
>wife's not real happy at the prospect of paying a mechanic to fix it for
>me. From what I have been told by a few well meaning (perhaps uninformed?)
>friends it seems like my problem might be the mixture setting on the carb.
>My question is can anyone toss me a few tips on adjusting the mixture? The
>only shop manual I have found so far basically says don't attempt it at
>all. Besides the manual covers so many different models it seems pretty
>useless anyway. So here are the particulars:
>
>360 engine
>Motorcraft 2bbl carb (2100? 2150? I don't know there's no tag on it)
>No apparent vacumn leaks
>Hoses seem to be in good shape
>The mixture screws don't have the little limiter caps on them for what
>that's worth
>Truck runs great with a slightly rough idle
>Test results:
>idle : HC 1830 ppm (600 limit), CO% - 0.10 (3.00 limit)
>cruise: HC 1402 ppm (600 limit), CO% - 0.23 (3.00 limit)
>
>The guy that tested it said it was running too rich, the paperwork from the
>state said the high HC readings indicate it is running too lean. I'm
>supposed to take it to a shop on Tuesday to get it worked on but I kind of
>want to take a crack at adjusting it myself and take advantage of the free
>retest. So, should I just bite the bullet and pay to have this fixed or is
>it worth having a go at it myself (like I said I'm no mechanic, but I'm not
>completely incapable either). Thanks for any and all opinions.
>
>Jim
>
>jmckinney icehouse.net
>
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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 00:02:53 -0500
From: Jeff Lester
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - NP205 Troubleshooting Question

On Monday, September 27, 1999 11:19 AM, Peters, Gary (G.R.) [SMTP:gpeters3 visteon.com] wrote:
> The way to tell for sure it put it in low range with front hubs unlocked.
> If it moves.....but if it doesn't.......:-) I use 2wd, low range all the
> time so don't get that one started again :-)
>
> --
> Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
> 78 Bronco Loving, Gary
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167
> --
>
> > So how do you know you don't have any power to the rear axle ?

In an attempt to pull a stuck vehicle, I spun the front tires and the rear
tires didn't move at all.

> > A slightly different ratio should make the rear turn a touch
> > slower than the
> > front, hence you likely won't "feel" like you're being pushed
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Well... after looking at the transfer case for awhile, I figured out that the
shift lever bar *attempts* to move both the front, and rear, shift bars at
the same time. Resembling a balance bar on a twin master cylinder
brake system, it is possible to shift the front axle into Lo and fail to shift
the rear. As a result, the rear was left in Neutral, and whaa laaa... no
rear wheel power. This was not helped by Scooby's ailing transmission.
With an inoperable trans brake, the output shaft continues to spin in
Park and Neutral. If the transfer case is shifted into Neutral, the transfer
case input shaft begins to spin. The differential speed between the input
and output shafts hinders the shifting into 4 Lo. If anyone has something
else to offer, please do.

Jeff Lester and Scooby - La Porte, Texas
78 Ford E350 4x4, 460, C6, NP205, D44/70, 35" BFG MT's
http://www.ford-trucks.com/pictorial/big/1978_e350_1.html

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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 22:42:48 -0700
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: gas mileage

I have a 4wd Crew Cab '76 F-250 with a 390 and a 4spd and I can't get better
than 8mpg. I have dreams of getting even 10 mpg, of course I would never
trade my FE 390... Now my Bronco with an EFI 302 gets 17 mpg...

I'm in WA too...

Rade Spasojevic -- rspasoje mindspring.com
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From: bedlee
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 10:18 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: gas mileage


>I've got a '74 f250 crew cab. It has a 390 w/ auto. I was getting 10 mpg
but
>after changing plugs, wires, points, cap, and retiming I've been getting 12
>mpg. It could be off though because of the tires that came on the truck.
>They seem to be taller than original. I like the figures though! lol
>
>Lee in WA
>'74 F250 2WD Crew Cab
>
>
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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 08:19:00
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: FTE 61-79 - stopping hard

>I would have had a hard time trying to stop so hard. I guess that is what
>comes from driving with so many aggressive drivers. I only have things like
>that happen to me when I drive my econo-box FORD Escort, not in my F-250
>with a trashed bumper.

Awhile ago I was driving at a late friday night (past midnight) on hwy 80,
a steep narrow freeway with (at that section) three lanes each way, divided
by a concrete wall. There were semi's in the middle and right lanes. Then
just as I was passing, the semi in the right lane decided he wanted to
change lanes witout even signaling, so the semi in the middle lane got
pushed into my lane, and if it wasn't for me slamming on the brakes, I
would have been pushed into the concrete wall!! Man this happened so fast..
I actually didn't see the truck in the far right lane who started this, my
buddy who was driving a 100 meters behind me saw it all happen so that's
how I know. The bronco is big but it's no match for a semi!



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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 08:18:40
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 400

>y 400m barely got up the hills. Ford just didnt get it. people wanted dual
>wheels, and power. the 460 was never offered with a 4 speed until (?) but
>by then it was too late. the ch*vys got the haulers market.....


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