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 ford-trucks.com (61-79-list-digest) To: 61-79-list-digest ford-trucks.com Subject: 61-79-list-digest V3 #330 Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com Sender: owner-61-79-list-digest ford-trucks.com Errors-To: owner-61-79-list-digest ford-trucks.com Precedence: bulk 61-79-list-digest Wednesday, September 15 1999 Volume 03 : Number 330 ======================================================================= Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961-1979 Trucks and Vans Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, send email to: majordomo ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list-digest" in the body of the message. ======================================================================= In this issue: FTE 61-79 - KR Shelby FTE 61-79 - 429 firetruck Re: FTE 61-79 - KR Shelby FTE 61-79 - Re: Pictures of my 76 parked on a glacier. FTE 61-79 - Floyd FTE 61-79 - Re: winter storage RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: winter storage Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Pictures of my 76 parked on a glacier. FTE 61-79 - RE: Still not charging. FTE 61-79 - Horn problems FTE 61-79 - Blow by? FTE 61-79 - Tranny question RE: FTE 61-79 - Blow by? RE: FTE 61-79 - Tranny question Re: FTE 61-79 - P/S conversion Re: FTE 61-79 - P/S conversion FTE 61-79 - steering column, brake booster 78 FTE 61-79 - 75 F250 4x4 steering Re: FTE 61-79 - P/S conversion Re: FTE 61-79 - steering column, brake booster 78 Re: FTE 61-79 - 75 F250 4x4 steering FTE 61-79 - 1966 Engine Rebuild Project ======================================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:51:09 -0400 From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - KR Shelby You folks have been very good about deciphering different VIN's and such now I have another one for you... One of My Son-in-laws is looking for a GT500 Shelby. What we need to know is what does the KR code mean??? 2 4bbls or what??? We will go get it with one of our many Ford F series trucks .... FTE content. Azie Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 06:33:50 PDT From: "Don Jones" Subject: FTE 61-79 - 429 firetruck >this truck may have and also when you are pumping water and you shut it off >it "diesels" for a little while any clue as to why? thanks >Travis There is probably a remote throttle on the Fire pump control panel. If it's binding or not properly adjusted then it could hold the throttle open and cause it to diesel. Don Jones 1970 f-250 4x4 ~Fordzilla~ ______________________________________________________ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:58:24 -0500 From: kimchi webcombo.net Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - KR Shelby At 08:51 AM 9/14/99 -0400, you wrote: >You folks have been very good about deciphering different VIN's and such now I >have another one for you... One of My Son-in-laws is looking for a GT500 Shelby. >What we need to know is what does the KR code mean??? 2 4bbls or what??? > King of the Road - - - [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] G. Turk Micro Certified Professional Windows NT Workstation 4.0 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 07:07:18 -0700 (PDT) From: draco pacifier.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Pictures of my 76 parked on a glacier. Schu wrote: > I would love to hear your comments. Looks like a great trip in some beautiful country. My only comments are, couldn't you get your truck into more of the pictures? Also, too many shots of that Ch*vy. Did the Ch*vy make it back OK? At least he had you along in case of trouble. Mark in Southwest Washington http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pacifier.com/~draco - -- '74 F-100 Ranger XLT 4X4 in digest mode == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:21:22 -0400 From: tfreeman murphyfarms.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Floyd Good Luck to everyone in the south east part of the US. I hope you and your families make it through Hurricane Flody okay. Hopefully all of the old Ford Trucks will make it through. - -Ted == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:37:42 -0600 From: "Richard Currit" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: winter storage > looking for any tricks anyone might have when >it comes to long term storage, i.e. >preservation, oil levels, moisture control. Well, here are a couple of things I always do. Make sure you have a full tank of gas, a low tank will gather a lot of moisture, and add some gas stabilizer, the most common one is called StaBil I believe. Make sure your anti-freeze is adequate (I also usually full the radiator cap and push a rag in there just in case of expansion). I then like to start it up and slowly drizzle Marvel Mystery Oil down the carb until you are billowing tons of smoke and shut it down. This will keep your rings and valves from getting rusty or stuck. If you don't want to do that pull the plugs and squirt Marvel or regular oil down into the cylinders, put the plugs back in, pull the coil wire and spin the engine over a few times. Doesn't lube your intake valves but its a lot better than nothing. Then remove the battery or at the very least pull the positive cable. And follow the previous advice about rodent protection, I have also heard of racoons and squirells making a mess of your wiring, never had it happen to me tho. These steps have worked well for me, I always have at least one car sitting for the winter here in Cheyenne, it does get a bit chilly on occasion. High Plains Richard '72 F-100, 300 I6 PS what is the easiest way to identify a 9 inch rear??? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:44:38 -0500 From: Dave Jacobs Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: winter storage Removable center section. Once removed, very heavy! -----Original Message----- From: Richard Currit [mailto:RCURRI missc.state.wy.us] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 9:38 AM To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: winter storage > looking for any tricks anyone might have when >it comes to long term storage, i.e. >preservation, oil levels, moisture control. Well, here are a couple of things I always do. Make sure you have a full tank of gas, a low tank will gather a lot of moisture, and add some gas stabilizer, the most common one is called StaBil I believe. Make sure your anti-freeze is adequate (I also usually full the radiator cap and push a rag in there just in case of expansion). I then like to start it up and slowly drizzle Marvel Mystery Oil down the carb until you are billowing tons of smoke and shut it down. This will keep your rings and valves from getting rusty or stuck. If you don't want to do that pull the plugs and squirt Marvel or regular oil down into the cylinders, put the plugs back in, pull the coil wire and spin the engine over a few times. Doesn't lube your intake valves but its a lot better than nothing. Then remove the battery or at the very least pull the positive cable. And follow the previous advice about rodent protection, I have also heard of racoons and squirells making a mess of your wiring, never had it happen to me tho. These steps have worked well for me, I always have at least one car sitting for the winter here in Cheyenne, it does get a bit chilly on occasion. High Plains Richard '72 F-100, 300 I6 PS what is the easiest way to identify a 9 inch rear??? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:09:00 -0800 From: "Matthew Schumacher" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Pictures of my 76 parked on a glacier. Mark, The reason why we got more shots of the chevy is because the digital camera was in the cab with us. We didn't think to have one of the crew in our truck go ride in the chevy so that we can get pictures of the Ford crossing the river. You would be impressed with the chevy and its driver. Don knows his truck well and can get it anywhere I can. In fact I broke a front universal and a steering stabilizer bracket and the chevy came out unharmed. I wonder how old that front universal is. It was on the truck when I bought it. oh, one last thing. Don and I both brought each other along in case of trouble. They don't make tow trucks that can get back there :) schu draco pacifier.com wrote: > > Schu wrote: > > I would love to hear your comments. > > Looks like a great trip in some beautiful country. My only > comments are, couldn't you get your truck into more of the > pictures? Also, too many shots of that Ch*vy. Did the Ch*vy > make it back OK? At least he had you along in case of trouble. > > Mark in Southwest Washington > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pacifier.com/~draco > -- > '74 F-100 Ranger XLT 4X4 > in digest mode > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:10:56 -0400 From: William King Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Still not charging. Thanks to everyone who responded to my plea for help. It was too late when I got back home last night to work on the truck, so I'll poke around it tonight and post my findings tomorrow morning. You've given me a couple things to try. Hopefully I'll have good news... Thanks again Ohio Bill == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:58:13 -0500 From: "mstrawn" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Horn problems I recently suffered a horn problem with my 77 F-100. The horn relay on the passenger inner fender was the culprit. Corrosion around the spade connectors had built up to the point of being non-conductive. Some contact cleaner, dielectric grease, and now she works fine. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:26:25 -0500 From: David.R.John deluxe.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Blow by? Hi all, I have been on the list for about 2 years, but I have been away for the last 4 months, while I relocated from Wisconsin to Minnesota. My problem is my 78 F250 4x4 supercab with a 460 and 4 speed. I bought it 2 years ago from a guy who had swapped in a newly overhauled 460 just prior to me buying the truck. He seems to have done a very good job with it and the motor was rebuilt by a reputable outfit (however they would not transfer the warrantee to me when I bought the truck). The motor has always taken some oil which I did not like, but it was not leaking on the driveway and I couldn't detect it burning any (smell, blue smoke). My father said that the rings probably didn't seat and what I have gathered from the list this could be very true. He and you all have suggested driving the heck out of it, but to no avail. Now the engine wants blow my dipstick out and puke oil all over my engine. I have checked and replaced the PCV valve to no effect either. My question to all you great minds is what is going on, and how do I fix it? My dad said that some of the chev?! guys he would run against would have to dump bonami down their carb to get their rings to seat. This may be some urban legend, but I thought the great Azie mentioned this before (it may have been a joke on his part) too. Can this hurt to try if I am going to have to tear down to motor anyway? The motor probably has 10,000 miles on it now since the over haul, and without taping my dipstick down it uses 2 qts per 300-400 miles. Any help is greatly appreciated!!!!!!!!!! David John 78 F250 4x4 Supercab 460 4spd 78 F250 4x4 400 C6 (parts truck for tranny swap) == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:37:57 -0500 From: David.R.John deluxe.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Tranny question Hey, I am in the process of swapping my 4spd out of my truck (78 F250 4x4 supercab) and putting a C6 in. My donor vehicle is pretty rough (very rusty, and no brakes) I drove it around in the field and it seems to shift and work fine. I believe the previous owner said that the tranny had been rebuilt before but did not know exactly when. My question(s): should I have it rebuilt, before I put it in? Is there something cheaper I can do (or have someone do) that will help ensure that it will last? Can a rebuilder somehow test to see if a tranny is "good" without tearing it apart (and costing me big bucks)? I would hate to spend money that I do not need to, and yet I would hate to have to pull the tranny and put it in twice. Any thoughts............ Thanks, David 78 F250 4x4 Supercab 460 4spd 78 F250 4x4 400 C6 (parts truck for tranny swap) == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:05:57 -0400 From: Marvin & Michelle Meyer Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Blow by? Sounds like blow by, take a compression test cold then hot, and squirt some oil into the spark plug holes if the compression goes up compared to your previous hot test then it's the rings and she'll have to be bored and re-ringed. I'm currently doing the same thing to my 302 with 240k on it (severe blow-by with oil coming out of the dip stick and getting the alternator oily). Marvin meyer stratford.webgate.net == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:11:51 -0400 From: Marvin & Michelle Meyer Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Tranny question That's a tuff one Dave; if you have to remove from donor and install into your 4x then for $150 get it rebuilt you remove and you install. = cheaper than stuck on road with someone's word that they cannot remember Marvin meyer stratford.webgate.net == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:45:12 EDT From: OldTrux aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - P/S conversion In a message dated 9/13/99 11:18:26 PM Central Daylight Time, duckdon pacific.net writes: >If you really want to keep the leaf spring suspension use a box such as the ones used on 78-79 F-250 4x4. > Didn't Ford use the radius arm/coil suspension in 66 for the 4x4's? Yes, and the manual steering box mounts outside the frame with the pitman arm pointing to the rear. A GM (Saginaw) box looks like it would bolt right in. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:45:33 EDT From: OldTrux aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - P/S conversion In a message dated 9/13/99 11:18:26 PM Central Daylight Time, duckdon pacific.net writes: >If you really want to keep the leaf spring suspension use a box such as the ones used on 78-79 F-250 4x4. > Didn't Ford use the radius arm/coil suspension in 66 for the 4x4's? Yes, and the manual steering box mounts outside the frame with the pitman arm pointing to the rear. A GM (Saginaw) box looks like it would bolt right in. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:10:31 -0700 (PDT) From: jayson spangler Subject: FTE 61-79 - steering column, brake booster 78 Hello all, I'm new to the list and pretty impressed. Most of you know more about Ford Trucks than I ever thought of knowing. That's why I hope someone can help me out. I have a 78 I converted to power steering. It was then I found out the column was now too long (so much for thinking ahead). Now I can't find a column. The truck's a 3 on the tree and there are none of them around here (MO). Any place out there I could get a good used one? Also, when I add power brakes, do I need more than just a booster? Jayson Spangler 78 Ford F100 SWB _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:05:37 -0700 From: "Chris Samuel" Subject: FTE 61-79 - 75 F250 4x4 steering What parts are required to convert the Hyd assist to the Integral Power Steering box? Ok, the Steering Gearbox itself off of a 78-79 up? The Pitman Arm, Tie Rod/Drag Link, Hoses. I figure that the frame will take a touch of fabrication which is no big deal. Eventually I will replace the closed knuckle D44, with an open Knuckle Reverse Rotation D60. As the D60 is going to be from a later Mdl. Truck should I simply wait to convert or are the Tie Rod lengths the same? Due to an overactive "Delete Finger" I quite by accident deleted the digest that contained someone's most gracious offer to tell me how to fix the AMP gauge in my truck. Would you please do so who ever you are! Muel == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:17:39 -0700 From: Don Grossman Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - P/S conversion OldTrux aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 9/13/99 11:18:26 PM Central Daylight Time, > duckdon pacific.net writes: > >If you really want to keep the leaf spring suspension use > a box such as the ones used on 78-79 F-250 4x4. > > Didn't Ford use the radius arm/coil suspension in 66 for the 4x4's? > > Yes, and the manual steering box mounts outside the frame with the pitman arm > pointing to the rear. A GM (Saginaw) box looks like it would bolt right in. So you do have the coil suspension. Just use a 1/2 4x4 steering box from a 70's F-100/150. I thought you were talking about the pitman arm moving from front to rear. My bad. I am using a 77 box with a 78 drop pitman arm. all you have to do is maybe drill 2 holes and use the backing plate from the donor truck (if you use a Ford box.) - -- Don Grossman duckdon pacific.net 99 Contour 63 F-100 4x4 43 GPW == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:22:21 -0700 From: Don Grossman Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - steering column, brake booster 78 jayson spangler wrote: > Hello all, > > Also, when I add power brakes, do I need more than just a booster? > > Jayson Spangler > 78 Ford F100 SWB > You will need to get the rod from the booster to the brake pedal and the adjuster from the booster to M/C. - -- Don Grossman duckdon pacific.net 99 Contour 63 F-100 4x4 43 GPW == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:28:34 -0700 From: Don Grossman Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 75 F250 4x4 steering Chris Samuel wrote: > What parts are required to convert the Hyd assist to the Integral Power > Steering box? > Ok, the Steering Gearbox itself off of a 78-79 up? Just 77-1/2 to 79 > The Pitman Arm, Tie Rod/Drag Link, Hoses. You might get away with using the old hose but for $30 or so you might as well get a new one > > I figure that the frame will take a touch of fabrication which is no big > deal. > Eventually I will replace the closed knuckle D44, with an open Knuckle > Reverse Rotation D60. As the D60 is going to be from a later Mdl. Truck > should I simply wait to convert or are the Tie Rod lengths the same? If you go with a late 70's D60 the length should be about the same. Keep in mind that 80's and up D60's use a wider spring spacing. 76-79 D60's would be almost a complete bolt in, except if you are going from drum to disk brakes, but that is another story. > > > Muel > Laters - -- Don Grossman duckdon pacific.net 99 Contour 63 F-100 4x4 43 GPW == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 00:07:11 EDT From: TBeeee aol.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1966 Engine Rebuild Project.... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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