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Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961-1979 Trucks and Vans
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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Electrically Fixed! I hope!!!!!
FTE 61-79 - The 300, and what did I just step in
FTE 61-79 - Info for the new guy
FTE 61-79 - Flooded Hot Restarts
FTE 61-79 - Flooded Hot Starts
Re: FTE 61-79 - The 300, and what did I just step in
FTE 61-79 - flying six ?
FTE 61-79 - help! Oil leaks on a 390
FTE 61-79 - Transmission help
Re: FTE 61-79 - help! Oil leaks on a 390
FTE 61-79 - Rotor and TDC
Re: FTE 61-79 - help! Oil leaks on a 390
FTE 61-79 - Speakers
FTE 61-79 - Get the Rope!
Re: FTE 61-79 - Radios
FTE 61-79 - My new ~tank~
FTE 61-79 - Re:
Re: FTE 61-79 - Info for the new guy
Re: FTE 61-79 - help! Oil leaks on a 390
Re: FTE 61-79 - Rotor and TDC
FTE 61-79 - 427 Engine for Truck
Re: FTE 61-79 - 427 Engine for Truck

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Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:18:03 -0700
From: "Chris Samuel"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Electrically Fixed! I hope!!!!!

Well after a week and much gnashing of teeth I think I have it fixed!
As it turns out it was the regulator.
When it was bolted to the fender it would evidently mechanically bind the
internal solenoid; but if I took it off and smacked it with a wrench it
would work again...
until I installed it! I replaced it with my known good one and I'll be
darned if it didn't do exactly the same thing!
I then only tightened one of the mounting screws and it worked!
So I put 2 washers under the lose corner and PRESTO!
So in the end the wiring was correct, and the Voltage Reg. was the problem!
Now all I have to figure out is how to get the Amp Gauge to work!
Another day. I have to move the Alternator first as they used the low mount
out of a car and the bracket rests too close the front cross member.

I'm going to go drive my truck now.
See ya!
Muel


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Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:59:02 PDT
From: "H. Lee Purvis"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - The 300, and what did I just step in

AMEN!!!! Preach it, brother. I fully support everything you said. AND I'm
not offended at all.

Lee
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This is a lil outta hand man, I thought you were kidding, obviously not.this
is really unfounded negativity to Fords. Yes chevy made some
awesome engines, so did dodge, AMC, Pontiac and just about every other
automaker out there. Well except for Geo. but to put things into
perspective, a 350 will not dominate a 351, a 454 will not dominate a 460,
and a 427 Chevy will NEVER Dominate a 427 cammer. If your comparing a
Camaro 350 to a Stang 302, thers a distinct advantage of 48 c.i. but oddly
the stang does ok. How about the 454? its a slug. Not to mention about as
reliable as a Toyota with 3 burned
pistons. I just dont see where your coming from, or why your even here.
This is FTE, Ford Truck Enthusiasts, not FAJOK, Fords are just ok. This
just really rubs me wrong. Im sorry If Ive offended anyone here, but if
yall agree with me, please say so. I could use a lil support here.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:21:17 -0700
From: "Wes and Deirdre Erickson"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Info for the new guy

Hello guys I am nearly new to the list . I am in the process of doing
a frame off on a 1971 F250 4x4
with a 360ci 4 gear bought new by my grandpa . I have been reading the list
for a while and see a good
source of info. I have a strong background in auto mechanics. I also as a
sideline do autobody.
I am a pipefitter by trade at a papermill. The truck is my first frameoff
and will need you knowledgable.
people for Ford truck specifics .

Ok enough boring background on myself.

I have my truck completely down with the frame on a stand all blasted and in
Dupont Vari Prime self etching
primer

I want to keep real close to the way grandpa picked it up and noticed the
trans New Process 435 must have
been red I cant tell or see any color on the TC I have been told the color I
see on the trans is Thunderbird Red

Does any know what color if any was on the TC its a Dana.

My first step now is to get my trans and Tc painted and back in along with
the axles D44 front D60 rear.

Thanks guys and I look forward to corresponding with the list .

Wes
1971 F250 4x4 360ci 4gear frame off resto in progress
1985 F250 4x4 351 4gear

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Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:44:02 -0700
From: Marv Miller
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Flooded Hot Restarts

Steve Delanty wrote:

> If I needed one and couldn't find a place to buy it I wouldn't
> hesitate a bit to make one myself...

Yea, but you're like that! Personally, I find it cheaper to BUY my beer! ;-)

Also Steve, do you know of a commercial source for non-acedic acid RTV (moisture
curing)?

- -M-

Marv Miller mailto:ae722 lafn.org
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Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:48:49 -0700
From: Marv Miller
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Flooded Hot Starts

Delanty wrote:

> A homemade wooden one would work just fine. The only catch is making
> sure it is sealed well enough that it can't leak, and using a sealer
> that isn't damaged by prolonged exposure to gasoline.
> If I needed one and couldn't find a place to buy it I wouldn't
> hesitate a bit to make one myself...

Oh, yea, I left off:
And knowing Steve, he'd make it out of aircraft-grade Sitka spruce plywood.
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Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:21:20 EDT
From: TWL1911 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - The 300, and what did I just step in

Hey
yeah i would say ford before the emissions controls got us (lets not open
that can of worms he he) had some of the best motors of all times the FE
series were one of those engines that could out do anything in its class. i
was looking at a chevy book and the only thing that could beat out my trucks
352 was the 454 slug i mean this is a whole 102 cubic inches bigger and it
only really beats my truck by about 20 hp and about 50 pounds of tourqe with
the q-jet i mean jees ford really knew what they were doing when they
designed the FE's and lets not even get into fords 460/429/370s those are
also a great motor and the 351/302/289(i think i cant remeber brain dead) are
great motors to. so lets keep this a FTE and not a FAJOK.
Travis
"ol blue"
66 F 250 4spd 2 wd
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AMEN!!!! Preach it, brother. I fully support everything you said. AND I'm
not offended at all.

Lee
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This is a lil outta hand man, I thought you were kidding, obviously not.this
is really unfounded negativity to Fords. Yes chevy made some
awesome engines, so did dodge, AMC, Pontiac and just about every other
automaker out there. Well except for Geo. but to put things into
perspective, a 350 will not dominate a 351, a 454 will not dominate a 460,
and a 427 Chevy will NEVER Dominate a 427 cammer. If your comparing a
Camaro 350 to a Stang 302, thers a distinct advantage of 48 c.i. but oddly
the stang does ok. How about the 454? its a slug. Not to mention about as
reliable as a Toyota with 3 burned
pistons. I just dont see where your coming from, or why your even here.
This is FTE, Ford Truck Enthusiasts, not FAJOK, Fords are just ok. This
just really rubs me wrong. Im sorry If Ive offended anyone here, but if
yall agree with me, please say so. I could use a lil support here.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:38:11 -0400
From: "Serian"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - flying six ?

> If you want to really fly over the mountains you need a 300 six.

I dunno 'bout that ... my I-6 never really went all that fast
over the mountains here, but it would haul a house (well,
ok, just a 7000 lb car) rather nicely in 3rd out of 4 gears. :-)


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Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:42:14 -0800
From: "Matthew Schumacher"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - help! Oil leaks on a 390

Ford list people,

I am having problems trying to stop my truck from leaking oil. It is
leaking between the aluminum oil filter thingy and the block. I have
replaced the gasket 3 times and it still leaks. What can I do to stop
it?

schu
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Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:46:00 -0400
From: "Serian"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Transmission help

> from the Tranny code (F): Warner T18 (4spd. manual)
> - can anyone fill me in on the specifics of this one?
> The seller told me that 1st gear (granny) is non-synchroed,
> 2-4 are. Is reverse synchroed also?

The Warner T-18 4 speed transmission in my '79 Bronco
has non-synchro 1st and reverse, synchro 2, 3, and 4.
I would guess that it is the standard setup for that particular
model.


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Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:45:14 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - help! Oil leaks on a 390

Are you sure the leak is that gasket and not a bad sending unit? I found
that is usually the problem with a leak in that area.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:45:02 -0400
From: Garry Bowling
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Rotor and TDC

I have a question that hopefully someone can answer this evening. As
most know I pulled my oil pan and replace the gasket and after much
trial and tribulation I have it finished. Good oil pressure. However,
I pulled my dist to prime the pump and placed it back in the motor. I
did remember to mark the rotor position. However, I had to pull the
Dist again and this time I forgot to mark the location of the rotor.
Soooo I pulled #1 spark plug and set piston to TDC by hand. What I need
to know now is, does the Rotor have to line up under the dist cap with
the #1 plug location on the cap. I have installed the dist back into
the truck but have yet to start it because I know that the #1 piston is
TDC. Help from anyone this evening would be greatly appreciated so that
I can get this truck started. As long as I can get the timing close I
will get it timed later. I am going out of town tomorrow evening for a
week and the wife wants here side of the garage back before I leave
town. I need to get the truck started and moved back to its side of the
garage and not in the middle.
Thanks
Garry Bowling
garrya bellsouth.net

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Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:45:45 -0500
From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - help! Oil leaks on a 390

You might try replacing the filter extension(aluminum thingy) with
another. Yours might have broken either by the pressure sending unit, or
at the base around the bolts.
Jason



Matthew Schumacher wrote:
>
> Ford list people,
>
> I am having problems trying to stop my truck from leaking oil. It is
> leaking between the aluminum oil filter thingy and the block. I have
> replaced the gasket 3 times and it still leaks. What can I do to stop
> it?
>
> schu
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Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:54:05 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Speakers

>
>
> What kind of speakers did you settle on for the beast(Envy?)? I'm going
> to replace a set in a '75 for someone I know, and would like to get them
> right the first time. >>
>
> Hey! I ended up getting Optimus speakers in the doors. I haven't yet gotten
> "good" speakers for behind my seat yet. Actually, adding the door speakers
> made my Pioneers behind the seat sound 10x better All in all, maybe down the
> road I'll get some bigger speakers but for now I am quite happy. =) Oh and on
> a sidenote, I FINALLY found leopard print seat covers for a bench seat!
> YEEEEEEE HAWWWWW And I am gonna get a tow hitch cover either sayin "Cowgirl
> up" or "Remove to tow Chevy's" *wink*


I'd like to see that seat cover, I bet it brings out the animal...
GRRR...whoah boy, ain't goin there...Nope...;-) You be careful, you'll
have every tomcat in town chasin' you.

The speakers are Radio Shack Optimus? Are they a 5 1/4 coaxial or dual
cone? If you still have the box could you tell me the part number? How
much drilling or holesaw work did you have to do?

The reciever cover is a great idea. It would go good between a "Go
Ahead And Honk, I'm Reloading" and a Calvin whizzing on a bowtie
sticker I've seen alot of lately.
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Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 22:21:32 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Get the Rope!

> I pay my dues and like
> em.....boy a little talk about the competor sure stirs some up. The only tie
> I own goes on my white shirt to church with me on Sundays.

Yeah, it does don't it? I doesn't really bother me much to talk about
other makes. I like to study anything that has fine workmanship. I've
prefereed Fords because of the very things you mentioned, the body is
alot tighter, and you can hammer that twin I beam 10 times harder than
any other make will absorb.

Ford engines? They are a breed to themselves. I've worked on them
since I was a very little kid. I learned how to get power out of them
using cheap parts. The key to any combination is tailoring it's basic
configuration to the work and tuning it until it's right. A $7500
engine tuned wrong wont even beat a $1000 claimer. Ch*vy or Ford. When
you put together an engine you take what Henry gave you and made it
better, that's always been what hot rodding was about. Ch*vies have
alot of aftermarket support that Ford never had. But back in the '60's
and '70's Ford had a very strong performance parts network that Ch*vy
never had. You hardly needed the aftermarket. Where did the parts go?
Hoarders and opportunists got them all cheap and have sold them dear.
The aftermarket didn't pick them up, so they dissapeared. Until now.
Edelbrock is making a fine effort to make affordable parts for Ford, and
I see them more all the time at my local 1/8 mile strip running all
right.

This is a Ford Truck Enthusiast list, and it's a good idea to confine
our discussion to Ford trucks and truck/performance related issues.
It's OK to b*tch about them a litte. But putting them down and praising
other makes will get the flamethrowers out pretty quick. We have alot
of fun back and forth here with each other, and I hope we can keep your
imput as part of it. Let's be considerate to each other, some folks are
a little more touchy than others, and flaming is not a part of what
makes this list interesting to read every day.
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Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 23:28:36 EDT
From: TWL1911 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Radios

Hey all
does any body know of a sterio that goes in the same spot of the old am radio
in a 66 f250 custom cab i just really want a FM sterio will do nothing fancy
Thanks
Travis
"ol blue"
66 F 250 4spd 2 wd
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Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 23:04:14 -0500
From: kimchi webcombo.net
Subject: FTE 61-79 - My new ~tank~

Hi. Thanks to those that responded to my question about the Warner T18.

Today, I finally DID stick my nose in the factory maintenance manuals that
I received along with my '78 F-250, and answered a couple of the questions
that I posted the other day. However...

When I'm cruising along, I get this feeling that I'm driving a big dump
truck, or semi, or ???, because of the sound emanating from the tranny! It
doesn't sound sick, and all the synchros work, it's just that I didn't
expect such a ~beefy~ sound. Is this normal? (The sound, that is. :))
Also, the 3-foot-long gearshift, with it's one-foot-long throws is a new
experience for me. Don't get me wrong - I LOVE this truck! I just didn't
expect all this heavy-dutiness for the pittance that I paid for it!

This beauty is a PAIN to find parking space for on the ~nifty~ east side of
Milwaukee - it's twice the size of the average nearby college
student's/starving artist's/fringe-dweller's/you-get-the-picture econobox,
but it's a price one must pay for such roomy sturdiness!

Don't mind me as I babble on, y'all - I'm just one happy newcomer to the
~indestructable~ Ford experience. Glad I found this list!

p.s. Does anyone out there have any tuning tips to squeeze a few more mpg
out of this engine/carb combo?

Geoff




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'78 F-250 Custom 2WD w/SuperCab
300 I-6 Heavy Duty version, 1-bbl. Carter
Warner T18, 3.31 Dana 61
Power Brakes & Manual Steering - what a combo!
295,000 miles, and still going strong!
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Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 12:44:31 +0800
From: rehpez netserv.net.au
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re:

Hi All ....Iam from Australia and wish to buy a 65 F100 I have had a guy
call me and says he has a "high roof" model and I have never heard of these
can some one tell me or better still send a pic of one.

Thanks Phil

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Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 02:39:11 EDT
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Info for the new guy

In a message dated 9/11/1999 11:19:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
wdmail tznet.com writes:


Does any know what color if any was on the TC its a Dana.
>>
On my 72 the original color of the TC is a very dark red, have no idea the
name of the color.
Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460
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Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 02:44:21 EDT
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - help! Oil leaks on a 390

In a message dated 9/11/1999 4:47:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
JUMPINFORD aol.com writes:


that is usually the problem with a leak in that area.
>>
I would have to ask the same question as I have seen many engines with oil in
that area that was coming from the sender.
Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460
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Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 02:56:12 EDT
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Rotor and TDC

In a message dated 9/11/1999 4:49:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
garrya bellsouth.net writes:


to know now is, does the Rotor have to line up under the dist cap with
the #1 plug location on the cap. >>
Hope you got the answer, this may be a little late. If #1 is at TDC and the
timing mark is at 0 and both intake and exhaust valves are shut then the
distributor rotor must be close to lining up with the distributor cap #1
plug. The key is knowing whether or not the your were on the compression
stroke. If not the rotor should be pointing at the post 180 degrees from #1
plug. I generally pull #1 plug and rotate the engine be hand and when I hear
air coming out of the plug hole I then stop on the timing mark at 0. Line
everything up and I it starts right up.
Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460
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Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 03:31:49 EDT
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 427 Engine for Truck

I need some information on the 427 that Ford made. I have found several
sites on the Web that give good basic information. Specifically I need to
know what I am getting into as far as parts availability, problems to look
for, etc. My youngest son discovered that the diesel class he is taking had
a cross bolted, side oiled, huge ported heads (from the port size it is a
medium riser) 427 engine sitting there for the students to tear apart. He
told me and my first reaction was not to believe him until I got a lot more
info. The instructor then let him have the engine by trading in a set of 460
heads and a chevy 350 tranny. The intake manifold is missing but the rest of
the engine is complete, (can rotate by hand). Got to admit this is the first
one I have ever laid hands on. And the students have never torn it down. We
would like to rebuild this engine, and eventually use it in a Ford Truck.
But, I am not sure what we've gotten into here. Any ideas, experience or
thoughts are welcome. I had always wanted one of these as I went from teens
to 20s in the 60's, but now I am thinking maybe this is a bygone engine and
not worth the effort??
Burt Hill Kennewick WA F-250 4x4 460
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Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 02:47:17 -0500
From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 427 Engine for Truck

Burt and son, DO NOT GET RID OF THAT ENGINE!!!!!!!! You have just been
given a gift that anyone on the list would love to receive! (At least I
would!) Someone wanting to build a 427 for a restoration would pay
dearly for that engine! I wouldn't be surprised if you could get several
thousand dollars for it!
If I remember right, the W-code 427 with a single 4bbl carb was rated
at 415 hp and the R-code with dual 4bbl's was rated at 425 hp. All 427's
, I think had solid lifter cams and about 11.5 to 12.5 to one
compression.
The most expensive part of the rebuild will be the pistons. They're a
bit pricey, because of supply and demand, and the rarity. For street
use, you'd definately want to lower the compression and de-cam it
somewhat. Especially in a truck.
Man, what a deal!! Good luck and keep us posted!

Jason



SHill48337 aol.com wrote:
>
> I need some information on the 427 that Ford made. I have found several
> sites on the Web that give good basic information. Specifically I need to
> know what I am getting into as far as parts availability, problems to look
> for, etc. My youngest son discovered that the diesel class he is taking had
> a cross bolted, side oiled, huge ported heads (from the port size it is a
> medium riser) 427 engine sitting there for the students to tear apart. He
> told me and my first reaction was not to believe him until I got a lot more
> info. The instructor then let him have the engine by trading in a set of 460
> heads and a chevy 350 tranny. The intake manifold is missing but the rest of....

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