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 ford-trucks.com (61-79-list-digest) To: 61-79-list-digest ford-trucks.com Subject: 61-79-list-digest V3 #325 Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com Sender: owner-61-79-list-digest ford-trucks.com Errors-To: owner-61-79-list-digest ford-trucks.com Precedence: bulk 61-79-list-digest Friday, September 10 1999 Volume 03 : Number 325 ======================================================================= Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961-1979 Trucks and Vans Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, send email to: majordomo ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list-digest" in the body of the message. ======================================================================= In this issue: FTE 61-79 - The 300, and what did I just step in? FTE 61-79 - RE: Windsor Engine mount adapters FTE 61-79 - Plastic Spacers FTE 61-79 - D44's FTE 61-79 - '55-'64 FE and 385 series mounts RE: FTE 61-79 - New to list, exhaust 101 FTE 61-79 - Landmarks FTE 61-79 - FE Pulley Source RE: FTE 61-79 - 428 RE: FTE 61-79 - 460 carb change FTE 61-79 - Ratios FTE 61-79 - rear cover RE: FTE 61-79 - New to list, exhaust 101 Re: FTE 61-79 - rear cover RE: FTE 61-79 - rear cover FTE 61-79 - Dated RE: FTE 61-79 - brake lines RE: FTE 61-79 - Brake Bleeding -- Simple tip RE: FTE 61-79 - for sale 390 aluminum intake/valve covers FTE 61-79 - F100/F150 rears FTE 61-79 - Gem tank FTE 61-79 - carb spacers FTE 61-79 - M block stuff/400 stroke RE: FTE 61-79 - rear cover Re: FTE 61-79 - rear cover RE: FTE 61-79 - rear cover FTE 61-79 - old parts FTE 61-79 - Gem Tanks RE: FTE 61-79 - old parts FTE 61-79 - Inline6dotCom??? RE: FTE 61-79 - carb spacers RE: FTE 61-79 - rear cover FTE 61-79 - FE pulley source RE: FTE 61-79 - question about 1966 Ford F100 pickup Re: FTE 61-79 - overdrive questions RE: FTE 61-79 - question about 1966 Ford F100 pickup FTE 61-79 - Inline-6.com -- From the owner Re: FTE 61-79 - The 300, and what did I just step in? FTE 61-79 - flooded hot restarts FTE 61-79 - Fwd: Towing and trucks ... Re: FTE 61-79 - flooded hot restarts Re: FTE 61-79 - The 300, and what did I just step in? ======================================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 05:52:59 -0500 From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger) Subject: FTE 61-79 - The 300, and what did I just step in? > Yep, This guy is right. I have had a 300 in my F150 since it was new in > 1978. It came from the factory with a 3:00 rear and a 4 speed overdrive > transmission. It was good for 80 mph on the open flat road. A boat and > trailer would hurt it bad and kill it with rolling hills. Well to make the > story short, 4:11 rear gears and now it will climb up but not run up the > hills. Everyone you see tells stories of that great 300 in line six but > when you take a peek at there Ford its with a V8. Give you a hint? Now go > ahead and put a header on your truck for power and you even get worse > pulling power then you spend that $1000.00+ with Clifford and you get a 6 > that sounds like a bumble bee and will come close to sticking with a 302 2V > engine. A rule of thumb is cubic inches mean power. Go to your junk yard > and get a 1970 429/460 and have your local machine shop rebuild it, get a > pulling camshaft and slip it in with a C6 and run hard, pull hills, and > don't forget to not pass the gas station. Oh, it will also take most of the > roll out of the twin I beam as the extra weight sticks it to the road and if > you have that 4:11 rear end you can light fires on the road in cold weather. > If you don't care to outrun the State Police and want to idle, run your > air, and pull anything that want break off the back bumper then go with that > diesel, your hands might stink after each fill up but your truck will now be > a truck instead of a car with a box. Call your insurance agent and tell > him/her that you want to purchase a roll over with a diesel from them, > scatch the body off the frame and have it straightned, then put your body > onto that frame and go from there. > FOOD FOR THOUGHT Now, now, Gerald...plese don't be so severe. It depends alot on your needs. If you are on a farm and rarely going over 45 mph, then a 6 with 4.11 or 4.56 gears is the ticket, you don't really need an expensive diesel or a V8, unless of course the government is paying you to drive a $40,000 diesel dually. But that's another story. This application is where the 300 got it's reputation. Going out and getting a load of wood on a tandem axle trailer on the weekend, that's what they are made to do. It's a strong puller when asked to do a realistic days work. You don't use a 6 lb sledge to drive a tack, nor a tack hammer drive a #40 spike. Of 6 cylinder work trucks the Ford is without peer for just being to hammer the dogs*it out of them out in the fields and have them keep going and going. Diesel operating costs are high, if you pull as a pro they are fine, a weekend warrior doesn't need it. A big inch gas burner is also great if you pull alot, but keep in mind that that 8-12 mpg (at the best) is there all the time to live with. If you pull less than 1/4 of the time you are in the truck you don't really need either one. A 351 or a 390 is a good compromise, it can do both competently, and get reasonable mileage. Frankly, seeing someone dragging six horses up the road at 80 mph scares me a little. I have a friend who pulls those stacked utility trailers for a living, running a diesel, and he'll take a stack of 5 up to 80 mph, set the cruise, and run. It scares me. People's expectations of what a truck should be able to do has changed from realistic to absurd in my book. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 07:06:49 -0400 From: pdesanto Cinergy.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Windsor Engine mount adapters > I was looking at a Dennis Carpenter catalog earlier today and I recall > them > selling motor mounts to install windsor engines in your year truck. ============================================================================ =============== I've got a 64 F-100 with a 351w in it. I pulled the dead 292 out and used a motor mount "cradle" from Trans/Dapt (sp). You can bolt or weld it to the frame. Used the tranny mount too. Very easy to put in and not too costly. I think Jeggs or Summit may still carry them. I'll look and see if I can find the part numbers over the week end. Later..........Phil == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 06:10:14 -0500 From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger) Subject: FTE 61-79 - Plastic Spacers > The first "insulating" spacer I tried was a kit that came with > 4 1/16" thick aluminum plates and 5 gaskets. You alternate > gasket/plate/gasket/plate/gasket and it makes a stack about 1/2" > thick that's supposed to be a carb insultor. I didn't think it > worked worth beans and I finally ditched it in favor of a 1" plastic > spacer. That worked very well and almost fully cured my hot start > problems. A fuel pressure regulator set to 5-6psi finished the cure. > Insulating spacers shouldn't be to hard to find. I've even seen > homemade ones whittled out of a 1" thick wood plank and varnished > to seal them... The plastic spacer is the way to go. I used to run an 800 cfm Thermoquad that had the float bowl made out of plastic. Combined with a plastic spacer and an aluminum spread bore adaptor, it solved a big percolation problem on a '74 F250 with a flat-top 390 and C-6 we built for my father-in-law to tow with (10 to 1 CR) that kicked over real hard when warm. After ditching the Holley, you could hardly let loose of the key quick enough. And power, man you can't beat a big spread bore. That thing would pull a house, as long as you kept good fuel in it, it had to have 93 and no less, and it would have liked more. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 06:17:58 -0500 From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger) Subject: FTE 61-79 - D44's > Hey all > > In a recent trip to the used parts emporium I stumbled across a > 67-72 rear truck section and under this was a Dana 44. It had 5 lug > wheels and all. I know there have been D60's in the rear with 5 lugs > axles but I have not seen a D44 in the rear. Anyone else come across > this? > > Thanks I've seen a couple in '65-'66 F-100's but nothing later. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 06:38:15 -0500 From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger) Subject: FTE 61-79 - '55-'64 FE and 385 series mounts > Catalog Number ??? > Page ???? Thanks I'm looking at a 1998 catalog, and it's number 617J, on page 204. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 07:53:57 -0400 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - New to list, exhaust 101 From my experience I would guess 3" would be best if you want to regularly get some revs for passing etc. and 2.5 is better if you want it to pull down low all the time for towning etc.. I still believe the 2 into 1 was the best system I ever had on this engine including the headers because it worked well with the stock carb setup. I believe the headers require a different carb tune but the stock motorcraft spread bores can't be tuned. Bottom end with headers is great but top end disappeared and is less than with the 2 into 1 while the 2 into 1 would chirp the tires when shifting to second at 45 mph it won't do it with the headers so.....???? I will say I don't have a balance tube installed yet so this may cure some of it, not sure. - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- > I'm bringing the '78 to a custom exhaust shop on Monday. > Looking at a 2-1 > flowmaster-type 2 or 3 chamber install. The aluminized pipe == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:22:29 -0400 From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Landmarks John LaG. writes: >>It would be a good if the landmarks were accessable while the crank was still in the engine, with only the pan off. Any takers? I've got a 351M Crank laying on my workbench right now and I'll be glad to tell you whatever you need me to look at - measure - or whatever. Just let me know. I'm on Digest mode and only at work, so it'll be Monday before I see your reply, unless you copy me direct. Azie Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:23:21 -0400 From: j arnold Subject: FTE 61-79 - FE Pulley Source >Anyone have a good source for pulleys (the whole set) for FE's????? > >CJ - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------------ CJ, I think a company called March sells them. I had a catalog from them a couple of months ago and saw them listed. Don't know how to get in touch with them though. Sorry.... - -Ted - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------ Try March Performance, 6020 Hix Rd., Westland Michigan, 48185 (734) 729-9070 / www.marchperf.com stoney == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:37:35 -0400 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 428 Now there's a dumb question (just kidding :-)) You asked on the right list for that one :-) - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- > it will be > easy to get rid of the 428? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:38:50 -0400 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 460 carb change Edlebrock sells it, Webber makes it and Carter designed it, many years ago :-) - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- > If the carb is a > Carter design > then it is a "Heinz 57" of carbs, cuz its got Weber USA > stamped all over == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:42:22 -0400 From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Ratios Tom H. writes: >>Equivalent to a .91 overdrive compared to the original setup. But with much more "spread" between gears. If you have gobs of Cubic Inches, then gear spread is not much of a problem, but with small amounts of cubic inches, then the gear spread matters - a lot. I personally like the 5 speed OD's The spread seems just aboutr right in the ones I've been around. A really low gear for heavy load starts, and a good .7 or so Od for cruising. It all depends on the availibility of parts - time - and money you are willing to spend for what you really want. Azie Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:46:26 -0400 From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - rear cover Danger wrtes: >> I suggest you visually inspect the differential by removing the cover plate and verifying that it really is what you want and it isn't damaged before you buy it.,, Ford 9" rear does not have a rear cover. You are talking Dana. Azie Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 07:50:12 -0500 From: Dave Jacobs Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - New to list, exhaust 101 Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: Peters, Gary (G.R.) [mailto:gpeters3 visteon.com] Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 6:54 AM To: '61-79-list ford-trucks.com' Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - New to list, exhaust 101 From my experience I would guess 3" would be best if you want to regularly get some revs for passing etc. and 2.5 is better if you want it to pull down low all the time for towning etc.. I still believe the 2 into 1 was the best system I ever had on this engine including the headers because it worked well with the stock carb setup. I believe the headers require a different carb tune but the stock motorcraft spread bores can't be tuned. Bottom end with headers is great but top end disappeared and is less than with the 2 into 1 while the 2 into 1 would chirp the tires when shifting to second at 45 mph it won't do it with the headers so.....???? I will say I don't have a balance tube installed yet so this may cure some of it, not sure. -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 -- > I'm bringing the '78 to a custom exhaust shop on Monday. > Looking at a 2-1 > flowmaster-type 2 or 3 chamber install. The aluminized pipe == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:58:58 -0400 From: tfreeman murphyfarms.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - rear cover I looked at a '70 Camper Special F250 that had a beefier rear end in it. It definitely wasn't a standard 9". Dana maybe?? The access plate was on the rear and did appear to be original. I only checked the VIN for the 390 (which it was) and not the rear end unfortunately. - -Ted am14 daimlerchrysler.com on 09/10/99 08:46:26 AM Please respond to 61-79-list ford-trucks.com To: 61-79-list Ford-trucks.com cc: (bcc: Ted Freeman/MURPHY_FAMILY_FARMS) Subject: FTE 61-79 - rear cover Danger wrtes: >> I suggest you visually inspect the differential by removing the cover plate and verifying that it really is what you want and it isn't damaged before you buy it.,, Ford 9" rear does not have a rear cover. You are talking Dana. Azie Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:01:54 -0500 From: Dave Jacobs Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - rear cover I'm going to look at a '70 F250 real soon to eyeball the rear end. No pun intended! I'm hoping it's a Dana 60 full floater. -----Original Message----- From: tfreeman murphyfarms.com [mailto:tfreeman murphyfarms.com] Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 7:59 AM To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - rear cover I looked at a '70 Camper Special F250 that had a beefier rear end in it. It definitely wasn't a standard 9". Dana maybe?? The access plate was on the rear and did appear to be original. I only checked the VIN for the 390 (which it was) and not the rear end unfortunately. -Ted am14 daimlerchrysler.com on 09/10/99 08:46:26 AM Please respond to 61-79-list ford-trucks.com To: 61-79-list Ford-trucks.com cc: (bcc: Ted Freeman/MURPHY_FAMILY_FARMS) Subject: FTE 61-79 - rear cover Danger wrtes: >> I suggest you visually inspect the differential by removing the cover plate and verifying that it really is what you want and it isn't damaged before you buy it.,, Ford 9" rear does not have a rear cover. You are talking Dana. Azie Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:25:23 -0400 From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Dated Stu writes: >>Watch it there Brother Azie, you just may be "dating" yourself by that comment!!! hahahaha They tell me you become dated when you either don't care or you're old and proud you made it. I know I'm old, and sure as heck proud I lived to make it. Azie Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:42:35 -0400 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - brake lines Don't know the part numbers but the front and rear lines are standard Superlift items made for the bronco/F-150 and bolt right up, in the Cepek catalog. The Earl's lines are purchase by the length and banjo hole size and require AN adapters which they know about and will add to the list of parts. These were about $50/pc as I recall. I had a little less than $200 into the whole thing as I recall. BTW, how are things in Alaska? - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- > Ok, Gary ya cant leave us hanging... What parts (and PN#) did > you use to > create the custom lines? Inquiring minds want to know. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:50:14 -0400 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Brake Bleeding -- Simple tip Yeah, the problem I have is tipping the bottle over. It helps to have a long enough tube so you don't have to stretch so much too :-) With the adapters that came with my kit I can plug them onto the bleeder, hold the adapter while I loosen the bleeder and everything works out well. I just recycle old fluid bottles and periodically strain the fluid until it begins to look dirty then I throw it away. One advantage to the closed top is that you don't knock any dirt into the bottle while loosening the bleeder or doing any other messing around under there. - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- > I am sure no one else has this problem, but when I bleed > using the tube in can > method I almost always spill / overflow / or cant keep the > tube in the fluid while > turning the valve and holding the can at the right height, so... == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:56:10 -0400 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - for sale 390 aluminum intake/valve covers Cheapie chrome valve covers begin to rust very quickly. If you want looks, get aluminum or some good chrome covers and keep them waxed or something or expect to buy new ones every few years :-( If you don't want the shiny look, paint the originals and be done with it :-) - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- > "smooth" chrome valve covers for about $40 if you aren't too choosy. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:46:09 -0400 From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - F100/F150 rears Don G writes: >>In a recent trip to the used parts emporium I stumbled across a > 67-72 rear truck section and under this was a Dana 44. It had 5 lug > wheels and all. I know there have been D60's in the rear with 5 lugs > axles but I have not seen a D44 in the rear. Anyone else come across > this? Guys - I'm not doubting you, but I've never seen this. What (if anything) can we attribute this to??? Engine???(naw) GVRW??? (maybe) Whatelse would determine this??? Certain "fleet" orders??? (again maybe) Every F100/F150 (from '57 to '79) I've been associated with in any way, had the Ford 9". Also, I've never noticed a breakdown of any other rear than the 9" when in the books for just the F100/F150's. I simply never knew Ford used any other rear in their F100/F150's. I'm flabbergasted. Also proves you never get too old to learn, I guess. Azie Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:59:06 -0500 From: "John LaGrone" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Gem tank William, I am not familiar with the Gem tank brand, but I believe there are only two possibilities here. If you have an electrical switch, then either the switch is bad or the solenoid is bad or there is a bad connection somewhere. If your switch is a valve, it works just like a water faucet (spigot?), well almost. There are holes in a rubber gasket that turn to let the fuel flow through the right lines. The gasket can slip on the shaft and not switch tanks. This would be my guess. The solution: buy a new valve. Hope this helps. - -- John jlagrone ford-trucks.com 1979 F150 Custom LWB Regular Cab 351M C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!! == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:07:35 -0500 From: "John LaGrone" Subject: FTE 61-79 - carb spacers >>I didn't think it worked worth beans and I finally ditched it in favor of a 1" plastic spacer. That worked very well and almost fully cured my hot start problems. A fuel pressure regulator set to 5-6psi finished the cure. Insulating spacers shouldn't be to hard to find. OK, Steve, that makes sense. I didn't realize how much aluminum retained heat until I was working on the wife's Towncar air a couple of weeks ago. The big ol' air induction manifold was still hot long after the exhaust manifolds had cooled. By using the insulating spacer, you are only getting the heat from the engine compartment to your carb instead of the heat from the engine. Yep, big difference. - -- John jlagrone ford-trucks.com 1979 F150 Custom LWB Regular Cab 351M C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!! == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:15:15 -0500 From: "John LaGrone" Subject: FTE 61-79 - M block stuff/400 stroke >>I'll bite. The third crank counterweight on a 351 looks like a single piece of pie aimed at the journal. The third throw on a 400 is about twice as wide. That is my trick for telling the two apart. If you do not have an example of each to look at, any local machine shop would be able to show you. Thanks, George. This is exactly the kind of trick I had in mind. So, does anyone have the distance from the corners of the pies on each or either crank? - -- John jlagrone ford-trucks.com 1979 F150 Custom LWB Regular Cab 351M C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!! == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:25:53 -0500 From: kimchi webcombo.net Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - rear cover At 08:01 AM 9/10/99 -0500, you wrote: >I'm going to look at a '70 F250 real soon to eyeball the rear end. No pun >intended! I'm hoping it's a Dana 60 full floater. > I'm picking up a '78 F-250 Custom 2WD later today, and the seller told me that it has a "factory-installed heavy-duty full-floating posi" rearend in it. The original owner was an older fellow who put many miles on it towing his 30+ foot boat back and forth from Wisconsin to Florida. The wheels mount with eight(?) lugnuts, and there is a "snout" sticking out of the center of the rim. Also, after peeking under back end, there is a cover on the differential. I found a website that will decipher my VIN and other codes, so I'll be punching that info in this evening. I know what posi is, but could someone enlighten me as to exactly what "full-floating" means? Also, how can I verify that this is indeed a posi diff? Besides being able to ~smoke~ both rear tires, I heard that if you jack up the rear end high enough off the ground so that the rear wheels don't touch, and spin one wheel with your hands, the other wheel should turn in the same direction. True? Thanks to all in advance! Geoff [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] G. Turk Micro Certified Professional Windows NT Workstation 4.0 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:42:50 -0700 From: "Bill Beyer" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - rear cover 'Kay first of all it's NOT a "posi". Posi is short for Posi-Traction which is a GM branded term for a limited slip differential. The rear end you're talking about is most likely a Dana 60 which in most Ford 3/4 tons trucks came as a full floater. The term full floating means that the axle doesn't actually carry the weight of the vehicle it simply transfers the power from the differential to the wheel hubs. The weight of the vehicle is carried by the hubs which have 2 sets of bearings. The reason it's called a full floater is because the axle shaft literally "floats" between the side gears in the diff and the end plate which attaches to the wheel hub. There are no flanges or bolts to tie it to the housing like there are on a flanged type axle. There are several advantages to full floating rear ends, first since the axle isn't doing double duty carrying the vehicle as well as transferring power it is less likely to fail. Second if the axle shaft were to break the wheel wouldn't part company with the truck which is a likely probability with the flanged type. As far as verifying the presence of limited slip, your test is as good as any without popping off the rear cover. "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets" - -----Original Message----- From: kimchi webcombo.net To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com Date: Friday, September 10, 1999 8:25 AM Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - rear cover >At 08:01 AM 9/10/99 -0500, you wrote: >>I'm going to look at a '70 F250 real soon to eyeball the rear end. No pun >>intended! I'm hoping it's a Dana 60 full floater. >> >I'm picking up a '78 F-250 Custom 2WD later today, and the seller told me >that it has a "factory-installed heavy-duty full-floating posi" rearend in >it. The original owner was an older fellow who put many miles on it towing >his 30+ foot boat back and forth from Wisconsin to Florida. > >The wheels mount with eight(?) lugnuts, and there is a "snout" sticking out >of the center of the rim. Also, after peeking under back end, there is a >cover on the differential. I found a website that will decipher my VIN and >other codes, so I'll be punching that info in this evening. > >I know what posi is, but could someone enlighten me as to exactly what >"full-floating" means? Also, how can I verify that this is indeed a posi >diff? Besides being able to ~smoke~ both rear tires, I heard that if you >jack up the rear end high enough off the ground so that the rear wheels >don't touch, and spin one wheel with your hands, the other wheel should >turn in the same direction. True? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:40:01 -0500 From: Dave Jacobs Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - rear cover The full-floating rear axle offers advantages over semi-floating axles normally found under =BD ton pickups, SUVs, etc. The full-floating axle = shafts do not support the weight of the vehicle. Instead, there are spindles attached to the axle housing that support the weight of the vehicle. = These are the 'snout's that stick out of the wheel. They're very similar to = the front spindles (which are considered full floaters too) on a 4x4 = vehicle. So the axleshafts only have to turn the wheel. They also happen to have = thicker shafts than semi-floating shafts in most applications. If you should = happen to break a shaft, the wheel/tire combo will stay on the vehicle and not = fall off. The axles are overall heavier and stronger than semi-floating = axles. I would check the wheel bearings and gear oil on a grandpa-driven vehicle = of that age!=20 -----Original Message----- From: kimchi webcombo.net [mailto:kimchi webcombo.net] Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 10:26 AM To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - rear cover At 08:01 AM 9/10/99 -0500, you wrote: >I'm going to look at a '70 F250 real soon to eyeball the rear end. No pun >intended! I'm hoping it's a Dana 60 full floater.=20 > I'm picking up a '78 F-250 Custom 2WD later today, and the seller told me that it has a "factory-installed heavy-duty full-floating posi" rearend in it. The original owner was an older fellow who put many miles on it towing his 30+ foot boat back and forth from Wisconsin to Florida. The wheels mount with eight(?) lugnuts, and there is a "snout" sticking out of the center of the rim. Also, after peeking under back end, there is a cover on the differential. I found a website that will decipher my VIN and other codes, so I'll be punching that info in this evening.=20 I know what posi is, but could someone enlighten me as to exactly what "full-floating" means? Also, how can I verify that this is indeed a posi diff? Besides being able to ~smoke~ both rear tires, I heard that if you jack up the rear end high enough off the ground so that the rear wheels don't touch, and spin one wheel with your hands, the other wheel should turn in the same direction. True? Thanks to all in advance! Geoff [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] G. Turk Micro Certified Professional Windows NT Workstation 4.0 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] =3D=3D FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:48:26 EDT From: BDIJXS aol.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - old parts Figured I would pass this on. During a search with PartsVoice, I found a Ford dealership in Pisgah, Iowa that sounds like a goldmine for old parts....he said he has a whole bunch of stuff from the 30's and 40's as well.....the best part was, he had a peice of fender trim for my 67....it gets even better.....since Wish is headed out here next week, he is going to stop there and pick it up for me.... Anyway, its called Eddie Johnson Ford (classic, eh?) (712)456-2181. I spoke directly with Eddie, and he said he has been there for 50 years...and has accumulated a huge inventory....10,000 parts or so....... Hope this helps someone else out! CJ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:54:20 -0600 From: William Whited Subject: FTE 61-79 - Gem Tanks I know I asked this yesterday, but the truck I just purchased has a Gem tank conversion on it. There is a selector turn lever located next the driver's seat, if you turn the lever to the front tank, which is currently empty nothing happens: i.e.; the fuel gauge does not change and the engine continues to run off of the rear tank. If anybody has one, info, manual, phone #, web site, or address to anyone or anybody that knows or thinks they know anything about this I would be extremely grateful. I'm in El Paso, and I would much rather have the right answer then me getting under there and trying t fix it myself with no clue or worse yet paying somebody do to it with less info then me. TIA Thanks for your thoughts John. By the way I have done an extensive search on the web and I can find nothing about the company or anything else for that matter. William A Whited 74 F100 Ranger Supercab 390 77 F150 Custom 460 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:58:15 -0500 From: Dave Jacobs Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - old parts We have one similar in Minneapolis: Little Dearborn Parts 2424 University Ave SE Minneapolis, MN 55414 612-331-2066 specializing in older parts from the 30's-60's I believe. Like a museum in there. -----Original Message----- From: BDIJXS aol.com [mailto:BDIJXS aol.com] Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 10:48 AM To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - old parts Figured I would pass this on. During a search with PartsVoice, I found a Ford dealership in Pisgah, Iowa that sounds like a goldmine for old parts....he said he has a whole bunch of stuff from the 30's and 40's as well.....the best part was, he had a peice of fender trim for my 67....it gets even better.....since Wish is headed out here next week, he is going to stop there and pick it up for me.... Anyway, its called Eddie Johnson Ford (classic, eh?) (712)456-2181. I spoke directly with Eddie, and he said he has been there for 50 years...and has accumulated a huge inventory....10,000 parts or so....... Hope this helps someone else out! CJ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:07:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Allison" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Inline6dotCom??? Howdy FTE folks! Has anybody been to the inline6.com website lately??? I tried to log on to it after Tony Marino mentioned something about it on his website. It seems to be dead. The initial screen pops up but nothing works on it. Also, does anybody have their e-mail address so I can e-mail them? Mucho apps for any response, help, info. Thanks! J. Allison __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:05:08 -0400 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - carb spacers Just a little note while we are on this subject.....Engine heat is stored in several places while the engine runs and oil passing through and over the parts along with coolant cirulating carries the heat away but when you shut the engine off the oil and coolant stop but the heat is still stored in the crank, exhaust manifold, intake manifold and heads as well as the block. The heat travels up the connecting rods, through the wrist pins and into the pistons to be transfered to the upper block and heads and coolant which is in that area but it is not moving so you will notice a rise in temp on your gauge if you leave the key on due to this. In modern, lean burn engines this change can be dramatic enough to cause the radiator to overflow for a few seconds or more. Since there is no air flow through the carb to cool it and no air flow through the manifold either and since heat rises it winds up being concentrated in the center most region of the top of the engine which, unfortunately, is the carb if it's connected to metal parts of the engine which is why the micarta or plastic spacer is effective and aluminum is not :-) In severe cases with new engines this phenomena has been known to seize wrist pins in the rods where the pins are pressed into the piston rather than the rod. - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- > -----Original Message----- > From: John LaGrone [mailto:jlagrone ford-trucks.com] > Sent: 09/10/1999 10:08 AM > To: -FordTruckDigest > Subject: FTE 61-79 - carb spacers > > > >>I didn't think it > worked worth beans and I finally ditched it in favor of a 1" plastic > spacer. That worked very well and almost fully cured my hot start > problems. A fuel pressure regulator set to 5-6psi finished the cure. > Insulating spacers shouldn't be to hard to find. > > OK, Steve, that makes sense. I didn't realize how much > aluminum retained > heat until I was working on the wife's Towncar air a couple > of weeks ago. > The big ol' air induction manifold was still hot long after > the exhaust > manifolds had cooled. By using the insulating spacer, you are > only getting > the heat from the engine compartment to your carb instead of > the heat from > the engine. Yep, big difference. > > -- John > jlagrone ford-trucks.com > 1979 F150 Custom LWB Regular Cab 351M C6 (Henry) > http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm > Dearborn iron rules!!!! > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info > http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:19:15 -0400 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - rear cover You probably have the Dana 60 in a 250 which has axles between the side or axle gear in the diff and the hub but is splined at both ends so it "floats" between the hub and side gear. The hub is then supported by bearings which run on a "spindle" similar to the 4x4 front ends and the axle passes through the hollow spindle to insert into the splines in the hub drive. A semi-floating axle only has splines at the inner end and has a flange to attach the wheel to instead of a separate Hub. Off roaders prefer the floating axle to the semi due to the fact that if you break an axle you can still drive out or be towed out since the wheels are still supported by the spindles and bearings whereas the semi-floater will break off and the wheel will fall off or the axle stub will destroy the axle tube and rear end if you try to tow it. If there is a tag on it there will be an L in the gear ratio number or you can attempt to turn one wheel with the tranny in neutral and the other on the ground or with both off the ground and the tranny in park or a gear and note whether it turns hard or not (allowing for brake drag of course). The clutches will make it drag where an open diff will turn easily. - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- > that it has a "factory-installed heavy-duty full-floating > posi" rearend in > > I know what posi is, but could someone enlighten me as to exactly what > "full-floating" means? Also, how can I verify that this is > indeed a posi > diff? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:22:05 PDT From: "MARTY COLMAN" Subject: FTE 61-79 - FE pulley source Are you looking for stock pulleys for your FE or fancy aftermarket ones? I have a few laying around that are left over from my 390 that I won't be using. Drop me a line if you are interested. Marty Colman ______________________________________________________ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 07:23:12 From: Bas van der Veer Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - question about 1966 Ford F100 pickup >> Doesn't really matter if you can get it going, >> but can you stop it? >> Don't even think it until you at least convert >> to discs, IMHO. Hah, yeah a friend of mine has a '69 bronco and he put 36" tires and an E4OD on it. With the (small) drum brakes front and rear, and no power steering/brakes, now all he can do is cruise on the freeway with his engine at 1200 rpm ;-) == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 07:32:57 From: Bas van der Veer Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - overdrive questions >That straight 8 wasn't called the fireball for nuthin! Dont forget that >crank was huge, so it had a lot of inertia when it was at speed, and during a >shift, the inertia of the crank would overcome the friction between the tire >and road, making the chirp into drive. Not necessarily due to horsepower, >but the engines resistance to quick deceleration. Sort of like when rock I already think that of my 351M.. it's so heavy it won't accelerate all that fast, but up the hill it keeps on going.. But I'm sure a straight 8 (never seen an engine like that in a ford truck btw) would have a massive crankshaft! == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:46:35 From: Bas van der Veer Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - question about 1966 Ford F100 pickup >>reasonable? Could a truck like mine pull a trailer with that kind of >>load? I can't seem to find any kind of towing capacity data, >Just my 2 cents (sorry wish), but while the drivetrain is at best marginally >up to the task, the stock brakes need some serious upgrading to safely deal Does anybody have experience in towing with bronco's? I have a '78 fullsize, it has the front disc brakes and a strong drivetrain, weighs 5540 lbs with a full tank of gas.. even with two people and the back full of camping gear, tools, parts etc it usually does the hills at 50+ mph (351M). I was thinking of buying a Heep at some point, and (flat) tow it to the trails instead of having the risk of damaging my precious bronco ;-) == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:31:12 -0400 From: Tony Marino Subject: FTE 61-79 - Inline-6.com -- From the owner I'm gonna slap you Josh!!!!!! 8-) Ok, I would have liked to annouce to the list something I have been working on WHEN IT WAS READY but somebody beat me to the punch.... ARGH!! (It's ok Josh, I'm laughing!) But I suppose now is as good as a time as any. Pro-Geek that I am, I decided to register a domain for myself and others who share in the same interest as I do. My new web site that is FULLY 100% NON-FUNCTIONAL due to time constraints is: www.inline6.com I threw this together in the hopes of gaining support for the 240/300 series Ford motors and helping people see the posibility of making their old, tired, worn out motors have a couple options before that big lugy V8 gets smacked into it. I haven't had much time to do a darn thing with it, but whoever is interested, start puttin' together some tech pages on what you guys have done to your motors, what you have learned, etc, and I'd would love to set them up and give you credit as I find content for the new page. Any tech e-mail/questions should be directed towards my personal account that is listed below.. 8-) Much Appreciated--- Tony tony pscico.com www.pscico.com/~tony www.inline6.com "J. Allison" wrote: > Howdy FTE folks! > Has anybody been to the inline6.com website > lately??? I tried to log on to it after Tony Marino > mentioned something about it on his website. It seems > to be dead. The initial screen pops up but nothing > works on it. Also, does anybody have their e-mail > address so I can e-mail them? Mucho apps for any > response, help, info. Thanks! J. Allison > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:43:03 -0400 From: Tony Marino Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - The 300, and what did I just step in? What Bill Ballinger wrote has a lot of truth to it--- you have to take an application and compare it to what it was designed for. I would like to consider myself one of the largest 300 I-6 fans out there, but realistically Gerald, I'm obvisouly not going to flame anybody or anything for their opinions, but I would like to give you an open invitation to visit myself, (or if anybody else who has hopped up their six if they are willing) to come on out and take a ride in one. That's all I ask before bashing on something. Afterwards, go right ahead... I know a couple guys on the list who are DIE HARD FE fans can attest to who what those little stright six buggers can do once you get them wound up, and what I put my trucks through everyday is an example. Hauling 7,000 lbs on a 28 foot trailer from Ohio to Montana and back in 4 days doing 80 mph the whole way with 33inch tires and 3.55 gears and a 5spd, or cruising around in my '78 getting 16 Mpg, and swinging into the truck pulls to compete on an even basis with Chevy 350's in 4 wheel low, second gear spinning every one of the 33 inch tires on my truck when it finally stops, even with the welded spider in the front and 3.50 gears. I'm just saying in my humble opinion what works for me, Yeah, they sure do sound weird, but there has to be some sacrifices, but give it a try! Afterall, the money you spend to hop it up, you'll save in gas, longevity, headache and frustration, and maintain the simplicity of one of Fords longest proven design. You must take a motor and compare it for what it was designed to do-- and like Bill mentiontioned-- They are a brick, they build all low end torque, have virtually no horsepower, but when you ask they always get the job done, and that is their reputation. ;-) Take care-- Tony tony pscico.com www.pscico.com/~tony == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:08:01 PDT From: "MARTY COLMAN" Subject: FTE 61-79 - flooded hot restarts I could easily make a spacer out of plywood, coated with varnish or polyurethane. Is that type of spacer something that I would want to put on my daily driver? Or is it more of a performance/race type of thing? Would a plastic one be safer/smarter to use? Thanks for your help, I appreciate all the responses. Marty ______________________________________________________ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:03:05 -0400 From: Tony Marino Subject: FTE 61-79 - Fwd: Towing and trucks ... Forewarded for Bill Hart >From: "William S. Hart" >To: >Well as you know I rebuild my 390 for a truck that wouldn't be towing >anything, and as par for the course my dad and a good friend both got >trailers within the month... > >One is a pickup bed from a 70 Chevy 4x4 with a later 70's box on it, the >other is an 18' dovetail car trailer ... > >I've pulled both of them empty and loaded and noticed several things ... > >1) trailer brakes are a must once you get over about 1500 lbs of trailer and >load behind you ... especially with old truck brakes ... I have pulled a car >trailer with a car on it and had the brakes not really working on the >trailer, it doesn't stop real fast and can overheat the brakes on the tow >vehicle. That same trailer with a car on it and a brake system that works >can be set so it only takes a tiny little bit extra braking power from the >truck ... this is a blessing if you have drum brakes all the way around the >truck.... > >2) engine size has a lot to do with towing capacity but engine TUNING has a >lot to do with ABILITY. For instance, my 390 was not built to pull, it was >built for commuting and blowing away firebirds (v6's of course :)... The >result was a pretty hefty cam and quite a bit of compression ... not the >best combo for towing, especially on pump gas. Yeah I can beat a firebird, >but towing up a hill, it starts pinging really bad and I have to bleed off >speed until I find the sweet spot where it stops pinging so much and will >actually pull again ... this is only a problem at speed and is more a >function of the gas and compression ratio, but it shows that if you tune the >vehicle wrong you either wont' be able to pull at low speeds, or you will >lose top end ... a little fiddling might get mine back where it should be, >but likely a cam change would be in order if I was going to do this >regularly. My point here is that a 6cyl that was tuned for pulling could >probably easily out pull me on a hill on the interstate just because that's >how its set up, where as my truck with over a litre more displacement >(nearly 1.5!) will have trouble because that's not its intended use or its >forte. Unload those same two trucks and the 390 will blow away the 6, but >then again the 6 isn't tuned for that environment now ... > >3) Speaking of size and capacity and such, there's a lot more to consider >than just the size of the motor, you also need to look at the transmission >and rearend ... run a 5spd behind a motor that has a narrow power band and >it will do just as well as a 3spd behind a motor with a wide power band, >either motor will be able to operate within its power bands with this setup >... now switch them ... the 5spd wiht a wide power band motor might not ever >shift the thing into over drive 'cause he doesn't need to, especially when >pulling, you may find 4th or even 3rd puts the truck in the center of its >powerband so it can haul along on anything it feels like ... whereas the >3spd with the peaky (narrow banded motor) will be laboring to do even half >of what it did before because it will be required to operate outside of its >powerband at some point ... My 82 GT was a good example of this ... you >never wanted to use OD during a race because it was so low the torque had >trouble pushing up to the point that the hp would take over and accelerate >the car .. the result was a deadspot around 3000 rpm's because torque peak >was 2400 and HP peak was 4200, so for off the line torque it was great, and >would accelerate nicely to about 85 or 90, but then shifting would cause it >to bog between the torque and hp and you'd have to wait to get any more out >of it ... > >4) rear end ratio's ... this is an oft misunderstood area of automobiles, >everyone has their own theories behind things ... here's what I've learned >... if your car enjoys the high revs and makes good power up there, then >that's probably where you want to keep the motor if you're tryin to do >anything ... so a truck with a 302 that's all hopped up for high revs should >probably have a numerically high gearset, especially if towing with it ... > > >If you are building a truck for a certain purpose, such as towing, or just >goofing off, you will want to make sure you select your parts to help the >truck out with that ... on a V8, there is no place for a single plane intake >manifold on a truck that's gonna be pullin a car trailer around ... >especially not on a truck with OD trying to do that, it would have to be one >heck of an intake manifold (or fuel injected) for that to work very well at >starting the load ... > >Anyway that's more of a tirade than I meant to get into, but its my odd >thoughts on the subject. The vehicles I've used to tow things with so far >have been a 73ish F100 4x4 with a mild 390 built for commuting, and a stock >351 89 F250 4x4. Off the line the 390 blows the 351 away, for hills though >the 351 has the tuning advantage ... both have C6 trannies and the 73 has >3.55 gears while the 89 has 4.10 gears ... > >I've also done some towing with a Club Wagon (yes the full 15pass. van) that >I think had a 351 in it (and the E4OD), but that was more of a battle with >the side winds than the pulling :) > >Well this is plenty long, feel free to lemme know what you disagree with ... > >Bill == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:02:59 -0700 From: sdelanty sonic.net Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - flooded hot restarts Marty wrote: >I could easily make a spacer out of plywood, coated with varnish or >polyurethane. Is that type of spacer something that I would want to put on >my daily driver? Or is it more of a performance/race type of thing? Would >a plastic one be safer/smarter to use? A homemade wooden one would work just fine. The only catch is making sure it is sealed well enough that it can't leak, and using a sealer that isn't damaged by prolonged exposure to gasoline. If I needed one and couldn't find a place to buy it I wouldn't hesitate a bit to make one myself... Steve http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:59:54 GMT From: "Gerald Ash" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - The 300, and what did I just step in? Thanks William, I just was fed up to the top with the 6 cyl. following always telling me the storys but never driving them. I do agree that the 6 is one of fords best engines (got one, been there, done that, have the shirt and truck to match). But to get real and I know you have, take the engine torque, final gear ratio, tire size, and spin it all up at or just above that torque range with the use or rear gears and you can do it at 45 or 75mph. The more the torque the more the work but it's a total package concept. Heck I took a 63 with a 6 cyl. and put a hp 390 into it. Took a day but when I went to drive it to the rear of the house to park the front wheels bogged down due to that excessive weight.( Reason for change was 190,000 miles and I got a good donor SW). Heck why dosn't Ford take the time to make a print out on the glove box door as to the engine/transmission/rear end, and the answer is they don't know or care as long as they get that rolling body to the dealer. I have had FoMoCo and will continue but it is for the ride and body. You can lean on a Ford door and not total the cab. You can live in a coastal county and not have the rust to eat up your floorboard and fender wells before the payment book is empty. But pull out by a Chevy at the red light and chances are he is going to eat your supper and for each 1000 you spend and he spends he will still eat your supper. Yes, your dash board will stay on when you bounce over the rail road tracks. So I am just going to quit now before the Blue Oval Boys from NASCAR send a white jacket for me. >From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger) >Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com >To: Ford Truck Enthusiasts >Subject: FTE 61-79 - The 300, and what did I just step in? >Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 05:52:59 -0500 > > > Yep, This guy is right. I have had a 300 in my F150 since it was new in > > 1978. It came from the factory with a 3:00 rear and a 4 speed overdrive > > transmission. It was good for 80 mph on the open flat road. A boat and > > trailer would hurt it bad and kill it with rolling hills. Well to make >the > > story short, 4:11 rear gears and now it will climb up but not run up the > > hills. Everyone you see tells stories of that great 300 in line six but > > when you take a peek at there Ford its with a V8. Give you a hint? Now >go > > ahead and put a header on your truck for power and you even get worse > > pulling power then you spend that $1000.00+ with Clifford and you get a >6 > > that sounds like a bumble bee and will come close to sticking with a 302 >2V > > engine. A rule of thumb is cubic inches mean power. Go to your junk >yard > > and get a 1970 429/460 and have your local machine shop rebuild it, get >a > > pulling camshaft and slip it in with a C6 and run hard, pull hills, and > > don't forget to not pass the gas station. Oh, it will also take most of >the > > roll out of the twin I beam as the extra weight sticks it to the road >and if > > you have that 4:11 rear end you can light fires on the road in cold.... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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