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61-79-list-digest Friday, September 3 1999 Volume 03 : Number 314



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - lamps
RE: FTE 61-79 - Duraspark II for 390??
FTE 61-79 - Hello
RE: FTE 61-79 - 390 oil pressure
RE: FTE 61-79 - speedogear replacement?
RE: FTE 61-79 - Duraspark II for 390??
RE: FTE 61-79 - flooded hot restarts
FTE 61-79 - Re: speedogear replacement?
FTE 61-79 - Overbore
RE: FTE 61-79 - 390 oil pressure
FTE 61-79 - Duraspark
RE: FTE 61-79 - Vacuum
RE: FTE 61-79 - 390 oil pressure
RE: FTE 61-79 - Brakes (none)
RE: FTE 61-79 - Duraspark
RE: FTE 61-79 - Vacuum
FTE 61-79 - Primary tube dia
FTE 61-79 - All Ford Picnic 9/6 - Graham, WA
RE: FTE 61-79 - Duraspark
Re: FTE 61-79 - Duraspark
FTE 61-79 - Headers
FTE 61-79 - Clark 5sp
Re: FTE 61-79 - 390 oil pressure
FTE 61-79 - Oil Filters
FTE 61-79 - Mallory/Dura-Spark availability
Re: FTE 61-79 - Headers
FTE 61-79 - Pant job
FTE 61-79 - RE: 400 to 400C-4V Conversion
Re: FTE 61-79 - Headers
RE: FTE 61-79 - Headers
RE: FTE 61-79 - 390 oil pressure
FTE 61-79 - Block code
Re: FTE 61-79 - lamps
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Excursion Press Release
FTE 61-79 - Thanks
Re: FTE 61-79 - Thanks
FTE 61-79 - mission accomplished!
Re: FTE 61-79 - Diesels
Re: FTE 61-79 - remind me why
Re: FTE 61-79 - SPEAKERS???

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Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 03:39:25 PDT
From: "White Wolf"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - lamps

Ok... Without starting a huge discussion or a RTF whine, I am wanting to
replace ALL my 1156 and 1157's with brighter but not more power consuming
lamps/bulbs. Has anyone already done this and if so what lamps do you
recommend?

Corey Johnson
1966 F-100 Custom

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 07:20:35 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Duraspark II for 390??

I have never tried to mess with an FE dizzy but I know for a fact that the
modern big block version will interchange beteen points and dura spark
because I have done it by simply swapping parts. I suspect the FE dizzys
also use the same basic shaft and housing at the top end. The only
differences in ford dizzys of that configuration, that is, not the newer
ones which are totally different, is the length and position of the gear.

If you give me the numbers off the dizzy I can compare the spec with newer
ones for you. The 12127 simply means distributor, they all have that number
so I need the other one with letters in it.

Wiring is very simple if you clip the engine harness from a junk car or
truck. There are only a few connections you need to make and it's done :-)

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> and 76 is the last year for the trucks, so you are left with
> a 76 being the
> only year, and pickups being the only models to choose from ...
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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 07:14:38 -0500
From: Peters Eddie
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Hello

Greeting to the list. I have been on a couple of the Bronco lists for a
while. I just acquired a 1974 F-100 that I'm going to rebuild. I guess you
could say we (Whole family) have a bad case of Forditius. Current inventory
looks like this:
1-74 F-100 currently w/429, 1-67 F-100 w/Hot Rod 351W, 1-92 F-150 4X4 Flare
Side w/302 1-75 F-150 4X4 w/360 crunched, tree fell on it :-( &,1-81 Bronco
w/351W & 2 Escorts,
Normally I won't post much but will lurk around and see what I can learn. I
live in upper East Tennessee a small town called Greeneville. About 70 miles
north east of Pigeon Forge ( not that you F-100 folks know where that is
:-)). Currently I am looking for a step side bed for the 74. If any one
knows of a source, either new or used, would prefer used. Please let me
know. Thanks and glad to be here!!

Ed Peters

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 09:02:49 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 390 oil pressure

I used to determine when to add oil in my 352 by the lifter noise. When
they got louder than normal it meant 2 qts :-) Sometimes I didn't even use
the dip stick :-) (not recommending this method by the way :-))

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> One and a Ford Filter and don't worry unless the valves or
> rather lifters
> tap.
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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 08:14:26 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - speedogear replacement?

> Just checked my speedo gear, its taking a beating, my cable is a stock
> cable with a stock nylon gear.. makes sense right, well I installed a
> toploader transmission about 2 years ago and the speedo gear from the
> cable is slanted and the tranny gear is straight, as a result the gear
> on the cable is getting chewed up.

This makes complete sense, you should be sure and get a speedo gear for the
tranny you have, not try and replace it with the same thing ...

> The gear has seventeen teeth and
> needs to be straight... here's another little twist, my speedometer is
> off since the changing of the tranny for every mile I travel its off
> 1/10 of a mile. What size do I need? and where might I find one?


You need one with a different number of teeth by 10% which is 1.7, so if you
get something with 2 fewer/more teeth you will be closer ... since you
didn't tell us which way it was off (long or short), I can't tell you if you
need more or fewer...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 08:15:00 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Duraspark II for 390??

> >
> Dont forget the early 77's
>

I didn't, it would have to be a VERY early 77 as I don't think I've ever
actually heard of a 77 with an FE in it ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 08:17:37 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - flooded hot restarts

> purculate (sp?) after I shut it off, it's flooded when I go to
> restart. Not
> too bad, but I do have to hold it to the floor and crank for a
> few seconds.
>
> It also seemed to run a little rough around 1200-2000 rpm (I
> noticed it in
> neutral) like it had a miss or was flooding a little, but give
> it some more
> throttle and it came right out of it. Are these two things
> related? Any
> thoughts?
>


I would check the choke settings, along with the mixture, it sounds like
maybe you're just running too rich to start with ... my truck did this for a
while and it turned out to be something in the float bowl, eventually it
stuck and whamo, flood instantly below 2,000 revs ... really sucked gettin
it back to the garage to find that out ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 09:21:29 -0400
From: kingw bgnet.bgsu.edu (William King)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: speedogear replacement?

Mike,
Are you sure the teeth on the gear inside your tranny are straight?
I'm hardly a Toploader expert, but I've never seen straight gears,
only slanted. Regardless, Green Motor Sales (or is it Green Sales?)
in Cincinnati Ohio will be able to get you the right gear. Make sure
you have your rear-gear ratio and rear tire diameter handy (they may be
able to figure out what gear you'll need. They got me the right one for my
truck, but I'm not sure how they figured it out. They're smart...I'm not).

If push comes to shove, you can swap the gear inside the Toploader
tail in about an hour or two (don't even need to pull the tranny). Again,
Green Motor Sales can hook you up.

Ohio Bill

>Just checked my speedo gear, its taking a beating, my cable is a stock
>cable with a stock nylon gear.. makes sense right, well I installed a
>toploader transmission about 2 years ago and the speedo gear from the
>cable is slanted and the tranny gear is straight, as a result the gear
>on the cable is getting chewed up. The gear has seventeen teeth and
>needs to be straight... here's another little twist, my speedometer is
>off since the changing of the tranny for every mile I travel its off
>1/10 of a mile. What size do I need? and where might I find one?
>Mike in Burien

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 09:23:53 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Overbore

Someone wrote: >>That would be a .180" overbore!

My math says different... The 3.875 bore of the 330 FT to the 4.130 of the
428 - I got .255" when I subtracted it out. That is an awfully lot of
overbore for any mass produced block to be expected to obtain. I also get
.175" to make a 4.050 (390/410 bore). I wouldn't even try that.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 09:28:37 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 390 oil pressure

As we have already pointed out, more can be worse depending.....:-) There
are limits to everything and as mentioned, hi volume pumps are for racing
applications or quick fixes on old engines, they are not recommended for new
engines, except racing applications.

The thing that does the work of preventing metal to metal contact is the
very tough oil film, measured in microns, which "sticks" to the metal
surfaces but oil volume is requred to "cool" the engine. I've heard numbers
as high as 75% for the portion of the cooling the oil does. In any case it
is quite high, higher than most inexperienced shade trees might expect but
again, the bearings are soft, very soft, and will only take so much flow
before they begin to be "washed" away.

Power washers are a good example of the concept, it's just water but at high
velocities it has a powerful effect on dirt and other hard to remove
material. Engine insert bearings are made to be "embedable" which means
soft enough that a dirt particle will embed itself into the bearing deeply
enough to not be a concern. You can easily deform this material with a
finger nail so picture applying a power washer to this surface and what
would you expect to happen?

Even with the relief valve the hi volume pump produces more pressure and at
a higher volume than a stock pump. What happens in a tight engine is that
the relief valve is open all the time which eventually damages the pump and
the high pressure and flow damages the bearings.

Racing engines need the additional cooling afforded by the additional flow
but are typically torn down every season and bearings and other parts
replaced so this is not a serious concern there but a street engine is
expected to go 100k miles at least and typically never run for extended
periods at high rpm so cooling is not a concern.

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> Okay, but that doesn't mean more isn't better does it ? really in my
> experience oil pressure is an indication of how good the
> motor is .. if it
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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 09:36:07 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Duraspark

Ox writes: >>Did any car 390's ever use durapark.

No... The FE disappeared from the car lineup long before '76, which I believe
is the introduction year for FOMOCO's Electronic Ignition. Only FE I'm aware of
bring offered with the duraspark is the '76 F series trucks.


Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 06:49:44 -0700
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Vacuum

Both of you are correct to a certain extent. Vacuum is created when the
velocity of the moving 'liquid' (in this case air) increases but the volume
remains constant. The venturies in your carb are an example of this. Where
I work we use this principal to create vacuum to hold silicone wafers in
place. The advantage for us is we can use one pneumatic connection for our
machines and not be dependant on the customer's vacuum source. We are able
to pull up to 28 in/hg with this system. Kind of weird that we feed it 60
psi pressure to make a vacuum.

When an engines throttle butterflys close it interrupts the flow of air and
the engine sucks all the air out of the intake tract and creates a vacuum.
When the engine is at a steady rpm it will pull a certain amount of vacuum.
If the butterfly position is changed the vacuum will drop until the engine
rpm picks up and the air flow increases to the point that the new throttle
position becomes a restriction. I think (haven't tried it yet) that at WOT
once the engine reaches max rpm air flow will be great enough that the
venturies will provide a restriction to air flow and create a small vacuum.
Can anyone cofirm or deny this with experience?

Tom H.
> ----------
> From: JUMPINFORD aol.com[SMTP:JUMPINFORD aol.com]
> Reply To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
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> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Vacuum
>
> In a message dated 9/1/99 7:00:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> wish iastate.edu
> writes:
>
> >
>
> Engine vacuum is created by the restriction of closed butterflys. Even
> gas
> engines wont develop vacuum at WOT. If a diesel needs vacuum for any
> accessory, either brakes or climate controls, a vacuum pump is installed
> on
> the engine, looks similar to a smog pump.
>
> Darrell Duggan
> 74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 07:04:08 -0700
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 390 oil pressure


> Power washers are a good example of the concept, it's just water but at
> high
> velocities it has a powerful effect on dirt and other hard to remove
> material.

And paint, and glass, and concrete, and ... and ... and... ;0).

Tom H.
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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 10:06:50 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Brakes (none)

Yes and it's not recommended. You should have both sides in roughly the
same condition or there will be differences in performance between them.
Unless the good side is in pretty good shape I usually do both sides at the
same time, at least turn the remaining one to match the surface condition of
the new one and ALWAYS replace both side's pads from the same set regardless
of what else you do. It's cheap insurance, pads don't cost much :-)

What I have also seen is that even with all new parts you can get some
pulling until they break in and with good quality parts this can actually
take longer than you might think (which is a good thing IMHO :-)) but you
can compensate a little by adjusting the rear brakes as long as one rotor is
not actually stopping and causing serious problems. Oil, grease, water,
silicone and other materials on the pads or rotors can cause problems to to
be very careful when installing these parts to keep them clean and then also
clean them with brake cleaner after all work is done, before installing the
wheels or drums.

If cylinders are not actually leaking or rusty and binding they generally
will perform the same so don't usually cause this problem and the
proportioning valve is open chambered on each axle so both wheels get the
same pressure except on those new, cross wheel devils. They're a whole
nuther discussion :-(

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> Currently there is a little pull to the right when I brake
> hard. I don't know
> for
> sure but could that be caused by the pads likely coming from different
> manufacturers?
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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 10:08:27 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Duraspark

74 was the first year but not all applications got them that year. I know
the 75 windsor in the vans had it :-)

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> No... The FE disappeared from the car lineup long before
> '76, which I believe
> is the introduction year for FOMOCO's Electronic Ignition.
> Only FE I'm aware of
> bring offered with the duraspark is the '76 F series trucks.
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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 10:41:12 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Vacuum

This is the difference between a race engine and street engine. A race
engine can not afford to have this restriction so you put a larger and
larger carb on it until it will run well past the red line but in a street
engine if you did this you would have to have a 5k rpm stall converter or
slip the clutch at anything approaching city driving so the venturis are
made smaller to improve throttle response and this also increases the
"restriction" which is what generates the vacuum. Theoretically, at some
rpm vacuum would begin to increase but for all practical purposes we can
assume essentially no vacuum at WOT, especially on a race engine, properly
carbed for max flow.

No matter what rpm, the venturi vacuum will always be there and at higher
rpms will always be higher due to higher flow or velocity but manifold
vacuum is what we have been discussing and this is dependant on the inlet
opening and signal from the decending pistons or volume/speed being opened
up beyond the restriction. If you make the venturi large enough, and there
is no butterfly valve to restrict it there will be no Measurable "manifold"
vacuum at any speed :-) Theoretically there would be "some" vacuum as long
as a "signal" exists so that air was moving in any part of the intake tract
due to the air's mass and inertia but I doubt if it can be measured by
anything we could get our hands on and, in fact, under some condions the
moving air can actually cause a "rise" in pressure :-)

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> yet) that at WOT
> once the engine reaches max rpm air flow will be great enough that the
> venturies will provide a restriction to air flow and create a
> small vacuum.
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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 10:47:53 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Primary tube dia

Danger writes: >>You mean 1 7/8", don't you?

Glad someone has their thinking cap on!!! Yes it should read 1 7/8".

See Stu:::: That is another reason I'm heaitant.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.A


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Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 07:55:10 -0700
From: Tim Bowman
Subject: FTE 61-79 - All Ford Picnic 9/6 - Graham, WA

Just a reminder that there is an all Ford picnic at the Pierce County
Fairgrounds in Graham, WA (south of Puyallup on the way to Eatonville)
on Monday, Labor Day, September 6. Assuming the weather cooperates, I'm
going to try to be there. Contact me offlist if you want directions.

Tim Bowman
63 1/2 XL Coupe
71 F100
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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 09:58:44 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Duraspark

> 74 was the first year but not all applications got them that
> year. I know
> the 75 windsor in the vans had it :-)
>
> > No... The FE disappeared from the car lineup long before
> > '76, which I believe
> > is the introduction year for FOMOCO's Electronic Ignition.
> > Only FE I'm aware of
> > bring offered with the duraspark is the '76 F series trucks.


I can back you up with cars getting Duraspark in 74, we've got a GTE (Gran
Torino Elite, the last year) parts car at home with the Duraspark system on
it...

Also has/had lots of other cool stuff : p/s cooler, the PS bracket is the
type everyone's lookin for on the FE's, except this is a 351W ! the 9" in
back is always nice to have around, has big brakes on it too ... if you can
find one of these in a salvage yard, you may be there a while strippin
parts, especially if you need p/s brackets and stuff :)

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 08:59:05 -0700
From: "Danger"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Duraspark

What are the advantages of the Duraspark ignition over the old style
points setup? Could somebody briefly explain how to convert to Duraspark?
Although I'd be putting the parts onto a 69 F250, what year & model do I
tell the parts clerk?

TIA
Danger
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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 11:09:42 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Headers

Garry B. writes: >> Can you guys recommend a good set of relatively
inexpensive headers that will last a few years until I can gather the
money for a very good set.

I'v had extremely good luck with Hedman(sic) on cars. Don't know if they make
them for truck or not.. They are very cost effective, and work pretty good.
Not for all out competition, but for everyday use, they are a good buy.

No affiliation - just a satisfied customer from waaaaayyyyyy back.

Azie
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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 11:26:14 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Clark 5sp

Bob writes: >> Can a Clark or New Process HD 5sp be mated to a
460 w/o buying or making special adapters?

If they were offered in the larger L series with 429's, then you can get the
bellhousing off one of them and use on your 460 and mate them up. I'm not sure
of the bolt pattern of the Clark you speak of, but I have one that carries the
standard Ford bolt pattern and will mate to any standard shift bell housing that
has the wide bolt pattern (don't know the exact spacing, but is approx 2" wider
than the narrower pattern of the early/mid seventies where some manuals(3
speeds) had both patterns in them.) My Clark is a 285V23.(5th is direct) I
would like to have a Clark 280V0.(5th is OD - .8 or so)

Azie
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Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 07:50:11 -0800
From: "Matthew Schumacher"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 390 oil pressure

That is the reason why I am worried about the oil pressure, the lifters
do tap! I am keeping an open ear to what people are saying, but if my
truck idles for about 20 mins, it simply doesn't keep the top side of
the engine oiled, which is causing problems. I called the people that
rebuilt the engine, and they agreed to look at it under warranty on
friday. I guess I'll just wait and see what happens.

Thanks for you input.

schu



Gerald Ash wrote:
>
> I have to agree also. Years and years ago I purchased and installed a high
> pressure oil pump on moms 327 family wagon. The bearings went down in
> 10,000 miles. Chevy told my dad that it was due to the high oil pressure
> washing the bearing surfaces away. I know that they have come a long way
> with oil and metal but always pressure causes heat. Fill-er-up with Mobile
> One and a Ford Filter and don't worry unless the valves or rather lifters
> tap.
> My thoughts.......now stone me....ha
> GA
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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 11:53:19 -0500
From: "Don Yerhot"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Oil Filters

FYI to the gang. I just ran into this website, as it shows, not all oil
filters are the same. I'm sure that Fram isn't happy about it!
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://minimopar.simplenet.com/oilfilterstudy.html

DonY
65 F250-351W
74 F100-351W

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Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 09:57:05 -0700
From: "J.S.H."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Mallory/Dura-Spark availability

>Can I use any other dist. Like an MSD or other Mallory
>with Transistor triggering.

My Mallory Uni-Lite looks identical the Mallory Dual-Point on a friends
Bronco except for the vacum advance canister.


>
> Dont forget the early 77's

I had a 75 w/360 and Dura-Spark.
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Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 10:18:51 -0700
From: "James A. Doty"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Headers

Hi Gary:

I've got a set of Dynomax headers on my '78 E-150. They're ceramic
coated and I don't think I paid more than $300 for them.

am14 daimlerchrysler.com wrote:

> Garry B. writes: >> Can you guys recommend a good set of relatively
> inexpensive headers that will last a few years until I can gather the
> money for a very good set.

James A. Doty
dotyj earthlink.net

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 10:27:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: grant eversoll
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Pant job

Can anyone tell me where to look to find the color schemes of the 1976
F250. At one time part of the truck was red. It has been painted flat
black for some odd reason. The inside of the cab is red with a white
head liner. Just point me in the right direction and I'll take it from
there
Grant
vrigin renovator


__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 07:57:42 -0700
From: "Chris Samuel"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: 400 to 400C-4V Conversion

- -> From: Dan Lee

- -> I am in the middle of putting 351C heads on a 400
- -> motor. I found the pistons and Weiand adapter plate,
- -> however the Weiand instructions say that I must
- -> replace the stock C/400 dist with a Mallory dist. I
- -> checked the number and its an old style Mallory Dual
- -> Point dist. I really don't want a dual point dist. My
- -> questions are:

- -> Do I really have to make this change?

Unfortunately you do have to make the change, or I should say change
something. The problem is that the intake manifold moves up something like
7/16's or so (no I didn't measure it, but I can) and the bottom diameter of
the stock distributor will hit the raised manifold.

- -> I am using an Edelbrock performer manifold, can I
- -> modify this in some way to fit the old dist. It
- -> already has a Unilite module.

The reason for the Mallory distributor is that it has a smaller outside
diameter and so clears the manifold.
You have three choices:
1. Cut up the manifold if possible. Fabricate and weld in a new section to
clear the distributor. I say if possible because I am running the Weiand
X-cellerator(sp?) Single Plane and it wasn't. You will have to have the
manifold resquared (machined) after this work.
2. Run the smaller diameter distributor. Mallory or I believe that a Points
type might be small enough. Did they come in the 429/460? I have never seen
one for the 351M-400. Could be though.
3. Modify the factory distributor.
This was my choice. The stock dist. has too many good design points to
discard... design points not points!
I simply cut it apart. Machined it, machined a spacer, machined up a new
drive shaft. TIG welded things together, trued it all up and then machined
the housing to accept a sealed bearing. When I was done I had a distributor
that had a 2" lift, better Bearings, and had less runout then the factory
unit.
If you know a good machinist this latter option would be my choice. What
would this cost? Probably about the same as the Mallory Dist. would be a
good guess.

- -> Can I use any other dist. Like an MSD or other Mallory
- -> with Transistor triggering.

Yes just as long as the OD is small enough to clear the manifold. You can
convert the Mallory to Electronic and I believe that you can buy it that
way.

- -> Dan Lee
- -> '53 F100
- -> 400C-4V (almost)

Have fun!
MUEL


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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 14:23:10 -0400
From: tfreeman murphyfarms.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Headers

I run Hedman's on my truck. I like 'em. I was able to install them without
lifting the engine as well. That was nice. The only thing I don't like about
them, is the drivers side header kicks out towards the frame rail instead of
coming straight out. The passenger side was fine. Getting to the starter is
tight as well.

- -Ted





I'v had extremely good luck with Hedman(sic) on cars. Don't know if they make
them for truck or not.. They are very cost effective, and work pretty good.
Not for all out competition, but for everyday use, they are a good buy.

No affiliation - just a satisfied customer from waaaaayyyyyy back.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 15:03:55 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Headers

I put Walkers on my F-150 a few years ago, wrapped them, painted them with
high temp paint and they've been on there for a while and it sits a lot
which is not good for exhaust systems and they still hold gas (exhaust) :-)

I did everything wrong and they still work and only cost about $120 or so.

- --
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167
- --

> Hi Gary:
>
> I've got a set of Dynomax headers on my '78 E-150. They're ceramic
> coated and I don't think I paid more than $300 for them.
>
> am14 daimlerchrysler.com wrote:
>
> > Garry B. writes: >> Can you guys recommend a good set of relatively
> > inexpensive headers that will last a few years until I can
> gather the
> > money for a very good set.
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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 15:13:27 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 390 oil pressure

All my FE's have been a little more noisy in the lifters than other engines
I've owned but when the oil level gets down and it begins to cavitate the
pump they REALLY get loud :-)

- --
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167
- --

> That is the reason why I am worried about the oil pressure,
> the lifters
> do tap!
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Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 13:29:28 -0600
From: Steve
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Block code

I'm new around here, but you look like the people who would know this:

A friend just gave me an engine/ tranny combo. Engine block casting is
02AF 6015C
Head casting is 52B EGG-D

Any idea what this is?

Thanks much!

Steve
sbnorris nospam-micron.net
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Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 14:57:07 -0500
From: Kevin Grabow
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - lamps

You'll need to go with a Halogen aftermarket type lamp.
I've seen them in various catalog's, JC Whitney being one
of them. Anything else you use is going to draw more amps,
and probably not make a huge difference in visual light.

White Wolf wrote:
>
> Ok... Without starting a huge discussion or a RTF whine, I am wanting to
> replace ALL my 1156 and 1157's with brighter but not more power consuming
> lamps/bulbs. Has anyone already done this and if so what lamps do you
> recommend?
>
> Corey Johnson
> 1966 F-100 Custom
>
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Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 16:04:00 -0400
From: kpayne ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Excursion Press Release

The news section of the web site now contains Ford press
releases for the 2000 Excursion. This is a series of
several articles plus photos. Everything you always
wanted to know about Excursions but were afraid to ask!

Ken Payne
Admin
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Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 15:43:48 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Thanks

>
> Would that be the same Co. that has locations in N. Carolina.. A daughter of an
> old Army buddy did work for some Co. in N. Carolina that was Fleming something
> or another...

Yep, I had a chance to go to work there in Wausaw, NC as a warehouse
supervisor once, but passed it up. Ironically it was the same year
Wilmington and Cape Fear got hit by the two hurricanes. Wouldn't that
have been a welcome?

>
> Congrats on your new job... Hope it all works out for you... My home town has
> all of 3500 folks in it, so I can't relate to 250000.... Where I work has
> approx that many folk, but it "Ain't for me". if you know what I mean.

Thank you, I hope it all works the way I hope it does. I'll have alot
to do, but it's only a 150 mile move. The wife and kids are going to
stay here until the house sells, and I'll come home on weekends for a
few months. It won't be easy, but it can be done.
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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:11:24 -0400
From: tfreeman murphyfarms.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Thanks

You should have come on down to Warsaw, NC. That's my home!

Hurricanes Bertha and Fran were something else. Bonnie, I never thought was
going to leave and now we have Dennis that won't go away!

Not a bad place to live, but it is VERY out of the way of everything. Raleigh
is 2hrs away and Wilminton is an 1hr away. Good people though.

I would have liked to have had you as a neighbor. Oh Well......

Good Luck in you ventures!

- -Ted





ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger) on 09/02/99 04:43:48 PM

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Subject: FTE 61-79 - Thanks




>
> Would that be the same Co. that has locations in N. Carolina.. A daughter of
an
> old Army buddy did work for some Co. in N. Carolina that was Fleming something
> or another...

Yep, I had a chance to go to work there in Wausaw, NC as a warehouse
supervisor once, but passed it up. Ironically it was the same year
Wilmington and Cape Fear got hit by the two hurricanes. Wouldn't that
have been a welcome?

>
> Congrats on your new job... Hope it all works out for you... My home town
has
> all of 3500 folks in it, so I can't relate to 250000.... Where I work has
> approx that many folk, but it "Ain't for me". if you know what I mean.

Thank you, I hope it all works the way I hope it does. I'll have alot
to do, but it's only a 150 mile move. The wife and kids are going to
stay here until the house sells, and I'll come home on weekends for a
few months. It won't be easy, but it can be done.
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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:00:44 -0400
From: "Beth and Alan"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - mission accomplished!

A while (!!!!) ago I posted a question as to how to remove my rusted
caliper keys and recieved some good tips. Well, things don't move too quick
around here but I finally got around to actually applying my new found
knowledge. Lo and behold, after soaking the snot out of the area with
penetrating oil for about a week, I was able to liberate the keys from what
I thought was their final resting place, intact and undamaged. I can't
believe how easy it is to replace the brakes now! I threw on some 9.99
Autozone rebuilt calipers and off I went.
There are people that are mechanics, and people that own a toolbox full of
tools. I fall into this latter group. I feel fortunate to have a list like
this at my disposal, if for nothing else to give me the confidence to go
out and try something I might not try otherwise. Front brakes might sound
trivial but to surmount this minor problem was a real confidance builder
for me. Thanks again!!
Alan
79 F150
owned since new, heck, it's lasted though two wives!
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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:03:13 EDT
From: MongoCaver aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Diesels

In a message dated 09/01/99 8:48:10 PM Central Daylight Time,
JUMPINFORD aol.com writes:

> I cant remember off the top of my head,
> but I recall the injectors opening at approx. 225 psi, to overcome the
> pressure in the combustion chamber.
>
Actually the pressure depends on if you are injecting directly into the
cylinder or into a precombustion chamber. It also depends on if you are
using a high pressure injection system (GM 5.7, 6.2 International 6.9, 7.3
early models, lots of rice burners too) or a rail type system that delivers
the fuel to all injectors and lets them do the pressurizing and timing of
injection. The GM and International injectors mentioned above opened at
approx. 2000 psi, mainly to properly atomize the fuel, but also to provide
more fuel in a shorter time. Most of the rail types operated at a somewhat....


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