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61-79-list-digest Wednesday, September 1 1999 Volume 03 : Number 311



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - steering radius
FTE 61-79 - Balance tube placement
FTE 61-79 - 390 Oil Pressure
FTE 61-79 - Edelbrock Carb's
Re: FTE 61-79 - Edelbrock Carb's
FTE 61-79 - Good to hear from you
Re: FTE 61-79 - 427 Casting Numbers/ 330 HD
FTE 61-79 - 1974 351W 4bbl heads
Re: FTE 61-79 - top the sand dune
FTE 61-79 - Just got a new (old) truck
Re: FTE 61-79 - Just got a new (old) truck
FTE 61-79 - 390 Power
Re: FTE 61-79 - Edelbrock Carb's
Re: FTE 61-79 - Just got a new (old) truck
Re: FTE 61-79 - SPEAKERS???
FTE 61-79 - RE: Bolt patterns, wheels & Heads
Re: FTE 61-79 - Power Brakes, Hydro :-)

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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:41:07 PDT
From: "james varela"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - steering radius

I converted the front brakes from drum to disk by using the spindles from a
74 ford p/u. The brakes work fine but the truck does not turn as much to
the left as it does to the right. can anyone help fix this problem.

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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:54:07 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Balance tube placement

This discussion has taken place before I just thought I'd quote an
"official" source. You can read the whole article at :

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.nascar.com/news/1999news/August/31/00989592.html

"According to DynoMax, to find the right location to install a balance tube,
team members simply need to apply a strip of paint down the front portion of
a given vehicle's exhaust pipes. The balance tube should be placed at the
point where the paint burns or "bubbles" on the exhaust pipe. This usually
results in placement being close to the headers or manifolds. In cases where
it is not physically possible to install the balance tube in this exact
spot, DynoMax advises that the installer place the tube as close as possible
to the previously indicated position."

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"



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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:02:41 -0800
From: Matthew Schumacher
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 390 Oil Pressure

All,

When I start my truck in the morning I get really good oil pressure...
about 40 lbs at idle, but when my truck warms up all the way it drops to
10 lbs. Someone at a parts store told me that there is a valve that
opens and closes when the oil gets thicker/thinner to control the oil
pressure. Is that true? Where is the little valve.

btw the engine is a 390 with 4k miles on it, I already pulled the pan
and put in new oil pump gaskets, while redoing my old pan gasket.

Thanks for any help you can send.

schu
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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:05:56 PDT
From: "james varela"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Edelbrock Carb's

Anyone have any experience with the Edelbrock Performer Series carb's and a
302? If I'm just inviting trouble I'll stick with what I have. Thanks!

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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:14:58 PDT
From: "Mark Mcknight"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Edelbrock Carb's

depends on what year the engine is. I have a 78 302 with a performer on it
and it runs perfect right out of the box. I have heard that the newer 83-89
carburated engines or carb switchovers were garbage with that carb on them.
Holly also are very good for the 302 I think better than edlebrock


>From: "james varela"
>Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - Edelbrock Carb's
>Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:05:56 PDT
>
>Anyone have any experience with the Edelbrock Performer Series carb's and a
>302? If I'm just inviting trouble I'll stick with what I have. Thanks!
>
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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 21:55:01 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Good to hear from you

Deacon, hey man, it's good to hear from you again. You should surface
more often, we miss you on the FTE list.

I hope your house turns out right, I know you'll be glad to be home.
That long in a motel? There's Vegas matressbacks who haven't logged
that much "magic-fingers" time. And do burn the candle, and if you
don't mind, burn one for me. :-)

I'm getting ready to turn our world upside down. I've accepted a job as
a Fleet Manager with J.B. Hunt working at Anheuser-Busch in St. Louis,
MO. I've been working as an Assistant Manager at AutoZone in Cape
Girardeau, MO, since my former job of 18 years with Fleming Companies
was erased from a corporate spreadsheet. I want to get back into
logistics, and I think (I hope) I can pull this off and not ruin my two
high-schoolers (15yrs sophmore and 17yrs senior) lives. Moving from a
podunk town of 20,000, to a big city will be an adjustment for all of us
for sure. I grew up in a city of 250,000, so I'll likely dig it, I just
hope that they all will. They say they will, but who knows?

Anyway, don't be a stranger.

> This can't be what I think it is. Do I detect a hint of sarcasm from
> the iceman? ", Good to see you back Gary. What's with the new ISP?
> They say they'll be finished with our house in Oct. That's one month
> short of a year we've been in this motel. It.s hard to believe how much
> a candle can change your life. ;] Soon as we're back in our house I'm
> burning a candle. Last thing I need is another phobia to go along with
> my fear of people, places and things. :)
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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 21:52:03 -0500
From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 427 Casting Numbers/ 330 HD

Ted and Sarah Freeman wrote:
>
I don't know
> how much meat is left in the bores on a 330, but being a work engine, I
> would assume you could at least go to 4.05" on it.

That would be a .180" overbore!

FE and FT blocks had several different castings to accomodate the
various bore sizes.

The 330 was the only engine to use this block. Bore and stroke-
3.875X3.50 Also, Ft blocks used a larger oil pump shaft, which required
the use of a larger distributor housing, larger hole in the manifold,
and a larger hole in the block. The FT cranks had a larger snout(for
lack of a better word) and a thicker flywheel flange. You can use an FT
crank in an FE block, but you must turn down the crank snout and machine
the flywheel flange to the thinner FE size. Also, forged FT and 427
cranks are ten pounds heavier than a cast iron FE crank.

The 332, 352, 360, 390 and 410 used another casting. Bore and
stroke-4.00(332 and 352) and 4.05(360, 390 and 410)

The 406 used two blocks with a 4.13" bore and a 3.78" stroke. From it's
introduction in 1962 till July of '62, the 406 used two bolt mains. In
July of '62, the crossbolted block was introduced and used till about
July of '63. From 6/'63 till '64 the 406 used the two bolt block.

The 428 used another casting to accomodate it's larger bores of 4.13"
with a stroke of 3.98"

The 427 was a unique block because it had cross-bolted mains, notched
cylinders to accept the large valves, siamesed cylinders for strength,
and unique oiling systems. The 427 was introduced in July of 1963,
taking the 406's place on the race track.
In each case, a new block was required to accomodate the ever growing
bore sizes. Personally, I think anything over a .040 overbore should be
sonic checked for wall thickness, especially when trying to turn a
360/390 block into a 428.

Any questions?

Jason
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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 23:28:26 +0000
From: "James Holland"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1974 351W 4bbl heads

Hello everyone,
You'll have to excuse the literally challenged. I have set of heads
that were given to me. I was told they wer 1974 351W 4 bbl heads. What
exactly does that mean? Is there anything special about them? I've already
had them machined (i.e. magnafluxed, freeze out plugs, valves) and plan to
install them on my 1968 302 in my 67 F100. Then engine is from a Mustang.
All I have left to buy are the Rocker arms. I want to use Crane Cams
extruded aluminum roller rockers for 351W but any ideas from this group are
appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

- - J B H
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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 23:37:19 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - top the sand dune

In a message dated 8/31/99 1:46:35 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
chicken521 hotmail.com writes:

>

I'd like to see this, sand is the only thing that'll stop Tweety. Hit the
dirt and get the one rear spinning. Guess I need that Detroit. Of course
then I'll be SOL cuz BOTH tires will be bald, not just the passenger rear :)

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:43:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: grant eversoll
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Just got a new (old) truck

I was just given a 1976 3/4 ton ford truck. It ran when It was parked
about 6 mo. ago. and I got it ot fire once, Now all I hear is a fast
clicking sound. The battery is charged. Is it the solenoid? Starter?
I am a died in the wool dodge fan so convert me here. I am planing on
making this truck a father/son project with my 13 year old son so I
will be comming here often for help
Grant

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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 22:44:19 -0500
From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Just got a new (old) truck

grant eversoll wrote:
>
> I was just given a 1976 3/4 ton ford truck. It ran when It was parked
> about 6 mo. ago. and I got it ot fire once, Now all I hear is a fast
> clicking sound. The battery is charged. Is it the solenoid? Starter?

Remove all three cables, clean the ends, terminals, and battery posts
and it should trun over. The clicking you are hearing is the seloniod
telling you it's not getting enough voltage.

Jason
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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 22:53:14 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 390 Power

> It depends on what year it is, if its one of the last years (72+) its stock
> rating is a whopping 215 SAE Net (as opposed to the 250 or whatever it
> would get as Gross hp) ... Is it an aftermarket 4V or the stock intake ?
> the 600 won't add much unless the intake is aftermarket (600 was stock carb
> size for the 4V right?) "high performace plugs" don't really do much in my
> experience, and the wires will help a little, but mostly just make it run
> cleaner, maybe a few more horses ... figure with a good tune and a decent
> intake, probably can claim 225, though dunno if you'd ever get there. I
> really have no experience with a dyno (well dynoed a 6cyl Oliver once), but
> I can tell you that the claimed power increases are rarely met, unless its a
> specific weak point in the motor ... the exhaust on the 390's for instance,
> may not reach all the claims, but it'll still be a heck of a lot more
> powerful with headers on it ...

I've seen dyno sheets published in magazines that put a 9.5 to 1 390
with an iron intake and 750 4 bbl and a mild cam with headers at 355 HP
and 435 lbs ft of torque at the flywheel. Very close to a stock GT.
I've heard the argument about FE exhaust ports being weak over and over
again, but if you ever get the chance, just look at a 427 HR or
tunnel-port head. They are capable of over 750 hp, and they have the
same exhaust port as an early 390 head. I've seen them, and I was
amazed. The valves are bigger, but the port is essentially the same.
I read somewhere that when Edelbrock was designing their FE head, they
were going to try to improve the exhaust side. What they found was that
there wasn't much they could do that would take then anywhere. They
made some subtle changes, but they found that most of their ideas took
them backwards, and ended up with heads that are very close to stock
offerings. They don't look good, but for some reason they work.

I have said this for years, and I guess I'm just stubborn. The '61-'65
FE (even a 352) NEVER had a breathing problem. You put a good cam that
pushes it up into the 6500-7000 rpm range and a set of headers on one,
and you find out that breathing isn't the issue at all. Later heads
changed, but were still also very capable performers. Holding them
together was the problem. You go over 5500 without some attention to
the oiling system, and they will come unzipped with frustrating
frequency. That's why they got beat up on the streets back then by the
GTO's (I've driven a '65 tri-power, and they are hairy, built at an
entirely different performance level than the 390 GT, really cammed more
like 427) . Ford could have put a better cam (the 427 solid grind comes
to mind) and 427 exhaust manifolds on them and went tiger hunting. But
they didn't. They had the 427, and they didn't realize that the 390
would be expected to perform in that class. It turns out to have been a
mistake in retrospect. The 390 could have been built to hold together
like a 428 CJ and made it more of a hot-rod like the 389 P*ntiac was in
'65-'66 and would have been competitive in the Fairlane. Musclecar
history would have been a little different had they done it.

Anyhow, a 340 HP 435 lbs. ft. engine in a truck, especially when it's
all over the 1500-5500 range is going to be strong. I don't know what
you have, but a late 60's 2bbl 9.5 to 1 390 made an honest 265 HP and
415 lbs ft. You likely fall in between somewhere.
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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 21:11:30 -0700
From: Mike Pacheco
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Edelbrock Carb's

I put a Performer on my 72' 302 and a 600 Edelbrock carb.. worked great
right out of the box..
Mike in Burien
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Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 00:39:46 EDT
From: GMontgo930 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Just got a new (old) truck

In a message dated 8/31/99 11:55:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
kendrick mddc.com writes:


>
> I was just given a 1976 3/4 ton ford truck. It ran when It was parked
> about 6 mo. ago. and I got it ot fire once, Now all I hear is a fast
> clicking sound. The battery is charged. Is it the solenoid? Starter?

Remove all three cables, clean the ends, terminals, and battery posts
and it should trun over. The clicking you are hearing is the seloniod
telling you it's not getting enough voltage. >>


Dont forget looking at the starter mounts & grounds. I thinks one or two
fella's went through that here just a few weeks ago!

George
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Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 01:00:35 EDT
From: Bad4dFilly aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - SPEAKERS???

In a message dated 08/31/1999 3:10:57 PM !!!First Boot!!!, wish iastate.edu
writes:


put in the doors, but then the holes didn't line up, so I built a box for
them (well one for each) .. >>

I got some 5 1/4" speakers from radio shack for 30$ and my dad said that was
just what he was looking for. That wasn't hard at all LOL

*~*~Lisa~*~*
*~*~Silly boys...truck are for GIRLS!~*~*
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Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 02:41:29 -0400
From: pdesanto Cinergy.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Bolt patterns, wheels & Heads

Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:33:20 -0700
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Wheel bolt patterns

All -100's of that era used the 5 on 5 -1/2 bolt pattern. if anyone has a
57-96 F-100 or F-150 with a different bolt pattern someone along the line
swapped out the axles or complete rear end.
- - --
Don Grossman

Don- I have an all original 81 F-100, 4x2. It has the car 4 1/2" bolt
pattern on it. I was told the 80 to 82 ( I think ) F-100's had the small
pattern; but the F-150's had the larger pattern. Phil

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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:03:28 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - cross bolted mains

I decided to double check this one, and everyone else was right. Coulda
swore I saw 390 GT listed as being cross bolted. My mistake.

Darrell Duggan

Darrell- any chance your thinkin of the 390 GT's exhaust manifold bolt
pattern being "cross bolted" ? They had that dual bolt pattern for the
different manifolds they had to use on the Fairlane chassis. Just a
thought.............Phil
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Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 04:23:28 -0500
From: "Shane"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Power Brakes, Hydro :-)

Were do you find Classic truck retrofit AC?


Shane




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From: Peters, Gary (G.R.)
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Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 8:44 AM
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Power Brakes, Hydro :-)

> For now I'm keeping the AC stuff until I decide whether it's worth the....


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