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61-79-list-digest Tuesday, August 31 1999 Volume 03 : Number 310



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - '77 A/C
FTE 61-79 - Wheel bolt patterns
Re: FTE 61-79 - Wheel bolt patterns
Re: FTE 61-79 - 1972 ford f-100 engines-302
RE: FTE 61-79 - RE: Brake Bleeding, bounced again....
RE: FTE 61-79 - Wheel bolt patterns
RE: FTE 61-79 - 460 Carb Change
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Brake Bleeding, bounced again....
RE: FTE 61-79 - Clutch Adjustment
FTE 61-79 - NOS/hydro brakes
FTE 61-79 - Various
RE: FTE 61-79 - New purchase, lots of questions.
RE: FTE 61-79 - '77 A/C
RE: FTE 61-79 - Light Switches & Speedometers
FTE 61-79 - Wheels
RE: FTE 61-79 - Horsepower
RE: FTE 61-79 - Power Brakes, Hydro :-)
FTE 61-79 - cross bolted mains
RE: FTE 61-79 - Power Brakes, Hydro :-)
RE: FTE 61-79 - NOS/hydro brakes
RE: FTE 61-79 - Power Brakes, Hydro :-)
RE: FTE 61-79 - remind me why
RE: FTE 61-79 - RE: Brake Bleeding, bounced again....
Re: FTE 61-79 - SPEAKERS???
RE: FTE 61-79 - SPEAKERS???
RE: FTE 61-79 - three speed with overdrive problems
Re: FTE 61-79 - Wheel bolt patterns
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Brake Bleeding, bounced again....
RE: FTE 61-79 - Whistle tranny and new tires?
FTE 61-79 - Brakes (none)
Re: FTE 61-79 - Horsepower
Re: FTE 61-79 - SPEAKERS???
RE: FTE 61-79 - Horsepower
FTE 61-79 - Edelbrock carb.
FTE 61-79 - How much Horses for 390??
RE: FTE 61-79 - Horsepower
RE: FTE 61-79 - How much Horses for 390??
FTE 61-79 - Duraspark II for 390??
RE: FTE 61-79 - Duraspark II for 390??
FTE 61-79 - top the sand dune
Re: FTE 61-79 - Duraspark II for 390??
Re: FTE 61-79 - Horsepower
RE: FTE 61-79 - Duraspark II for 390??
RE: FTE 61-79 - Horsepower
FTE 61-79 - 427 Casting Numbers/ 330 HD
RE: FTE 61-79 - Horsepower
Re: FTE 61-79 - How much Horses for 390??
Re: FTE 61-79 - 427 Casting Numbers/ 330 HD
Re: FTE 61-79 - 427 Casting Numbers/ 330 HD
Re: FTE 61-79 - cross bolted mains
Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 Carb Change
FTE 61-79 - Steering Column
RE: FTE 61-79 - SPEAKERS???
Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 Carb Change

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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 04:59:02 -0500
From: "mstrawn"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - '77 A/C

I have a 77 F-100 with A/C that does not appear in the Ford Shop manuals.
It has a separate plenum, fan, and control unit from the heater system. It
has Ford stamped on all of the parts, but I cannot find any tech data on it.
I would like to get it fixed after the engine swap. Any help on locating
reference materials would be appreciated.

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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 06:52:30 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Wheel bolt patterns

Ok, can you see how yellow my face is? Egg all over the place! :-( I
still have some of those old small hole wheels and the ones on my
lincoln are.........small :-( Sorry :-( I measured all of them last
night and found that there are two very standard sizes:

3" center hole with 5" bolt circle
4.312" center hole with 5.5" bolt circle

My 78 2wd pickup has the 5.5 with large hole as does my bronco and as
did, I believe the 74 merc but.......
the lincoln has the 3" hole and 5" bolt circle and I believe the older
trucks did too, 67-68 F-100's. So just to ease an old man's mind, could
someone please check his old 67-68 truck and measure between any two or
between one and three, center to center and give me the numbers?

5" bolt circle will be 2.939" between any two adjacent lugs and 4.755"
between 1 & 3 etc.
5.5" bolt circle will be 2.233 between any two adjacent lugs and 5.231
between 1 & 3 etc.

This was a long time ago but I distinctly remember trying to swap wheels
and was surprised that the car axles used larger bolt circles at that
time. I will say this though......if the older trucks do use the
smaller bolt circle I have a nice set of wheels that someone will be
very proud to have on his truck with a little cleanup and I hate to see
them just go to the junk yard. I can't see myself having any use for
them so they will be going for sure.

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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 07:25:32 EDT
From: "Gerald Ash"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Wheel bolt patterns

I'll pass you the rag to wipe off Gary. Don't worry about it as now you, I,
and the person with the right answer knows. That is two of us that's
learned and two out of three aint bad. I have even found a new junk yard
dealer out of the deal as my old one told me the same thing and I figured he
just didn't want to go to the bottom of the heap or in the weeds where the
snakes and wasps were. :)
Have a good day.
GA


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Ok, can you see how yellow my face is? Egg all over the place! :-( I
still have some of those old small hole wheels and the ones on my
lincoln are.........small :-( Sorry :-( I measured all of them last
night and found that there are two very standard sizes:

3" center hole with 5" bolt circle
4.312" center hole with 5.5" bolt circle

My 78 2wd pickup has the 5.5 with large hole as does my bronco and as
did, I believe the 74 merc but.......
the lincoln has the 3" hole and 5" bolt circle and I believe the older
trucks did too, 67-68 F-100's. So just to ease an old man's mind, could
someone please check his old 67-68 truck and measure between any two or
between one and three, center to center and give me the numbers?

5" bolt circle will be 2.939" between any two adjacent lugs and 4.755"
between 1 & 3 etc.
5.5" bolt circle will be 2.233 between any two adjacent lugs and 5.231
between 1 & 3 etc.

This was a long time ago but I distinctly remember trying to swap wheels
and was surprised that the car axles used larger bolt circles at that
time. I will say this though......if the older trucks do use the
smaller bolt circle I have a nice set of wheels that someone will be
very proud to have on his truck with a little cleanup and I hate to see
them just go to the junk yard. I can't see myself having any use for
them so they will be going for sure.

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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 07:29:56 EDT
From: "Gerald Ash"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1972 ford f-100 engines-302

Let's make a deal.....email me


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i own a 72 f-100 that has a 302 c.i.d.
close to 300'000. my engine has seen better days and is going to sleep
for good soon. i was wondering what is a good place for reliable engines
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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:15:00 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - RE: Brake Bleeding, bounced again....

So.....what happens if I just tab down 10 lines before I start to type?
Actually there is a list of key words Majordomo uses that can be
obtained from him right? I'll tape it to my monitor so I can get this
straight :-)

I could just put asterisks in every word to be safe :-)

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> Forwarded for: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
>
> list which, IMHO, should be aired on the list so I ch*nge the address
> when I feel it is appropriate so all can share the inf*rmation. If
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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:31:38 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Wheel bolt patterns

Unless I mismeasured again.....(can this be?) it's a 5" circle not 4.5".
My handy dandy spread sheet calculates the bolt circle as 5" when the
distance between lug 1 & 3 is 4.755" which is what the lincoln is and
the other old wheels out back were too.

As to the redrilling thing, why not try using the front hubs from the
lincoln on the truck and the rear axles as well and then I can ship you
some really nice wheels for it :-) Don't know if the front hubs have
the same bearing size and spacing or not but if they do......:-)
(assuming 2wd of course :-)) Heck, I might take a look at this myself
this weekend the then the wheels will not be available because I really
like them :-)

All the punkins interchage so if it happens to be 28 spline just swap
the punkin and axles etc..... I think mine may have limited slip rear so
I'm hoping to fine 31 splines in there when I pull the axle to check :-)

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> William H. writes: >>Don't lincolns use the car bolt pattern
> (5 on 4.5?) versus
> your truck
> pattern (5 on 5.5?)az
>
> Yep sure do. I'm hoping to unbolt the mechanics of the rear
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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:43:04 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 460 Carb Change

Is this a spread bore or square bore? Most 460's come with spread bores
but they are ford proprietary bolt pattern and are not interchangeable
with any of the others IE rochester, Holley 4165/75 or Carter Thermo
Quads. Since you are considering the Edlebrock performer I'm guessing
it's square?

Edlebrocks are basically Carter design and are very good when set up
properly but many say the carter is better and costs the same. What
kind of performance are you looking for, prioritize for us: power,
economy, throttle response etc......

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> I want to change the 4 bbl carb on my 1979 460 with an Edelbrock
> Performer Series. I purchased the carb and started to take inventory
>
> I'm changing the carb because the current one needs to be re-built
> every year and I think it's just worn out.
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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 06:02:23 -0700
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Brake Bleeding, bounced again....

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> I could just put asterisks in every word to be safe :-)

This can't be what I think it is. Do I detect a hint of sarcasm from
the iceman? ", Good to see you back Gary. What's with the new ISP?
They say they'll be finished with our house in Oct. That's one month
short of a year we've been in this motel. It.s hard to believe how much
a candle can change your life. ;] Soon as we're back in our house I'm
burning a candle. Last thing I need is another phobia to go along with
my fear of people, places and things. :)

Later!

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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:02:18 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Clutch Adjustment

Number one, the linkage has to have some "freeplay" at full rest or it
won't engage fully and you will toast the pressure plate and flywheel,
very quickly. Typically, shortening the rod will allow more free play
but if parts are worn, pieces are missing etc. it will be hard to get
the correct range of motion to both fully engage and fully disengage the
clutch. If it is the fingered variety you can also run into problems
with the pivots of the fingers and if the throwout bearing is in
backward.........sheeesh!

Make sure the return spring is pulling the pedal all the way to it's
stop, every time, then check for free play. You should have at least an
inch or so of free play for proper operation. At that setting you
should also have full release well before hitting the floor with the
pedal. If either of these is not happening you have to adjust up or
down to achieve this. If it can't be achieved then you have a pressure
plate/flywheel problem or the linkage has busings missing, is bent or is
worn out.

The return spring is absolutely mandatory to get this adjustment because
it is what keeps the rod engaged with the throwout arm yet still allows
some freeplay. When I bought my bronco the guy had the rod adjusted so
the clutch rod would not fall out but there was no return spring so
there was also no free play.....bad news! My linkage is very worn and
bushings are missing but with the return spring I can get it to work
very well so I have high hopes for you :-) Some day soon I will have to
address the bushing problem or it will eventually wear right through the
link and the whole mess will fall off :-(

There is also a pedal helper spring which can throw off your adjustment.
Make sure it it in place and with links removed it should snap rather
briskly to the floor after about 1.5 - 2" of movement. I like an early
clutch so like to adjust my free play to coincide with the beginning of
the helper spring operation, that is, at the point where the free play
come out and you begin to feel some resistance in the linkage, the
helper spring is just starting to influence things but not enough to
overcome the return spring. I like delicate balances so play it pretty
close :-) If you allow too much free play to get an earlier clutch
engagement the helper spring overcomes the return spring and it won't
return to the stop.

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> different days. Ahhh, the clutch. My clutch with the pedal
> fully released,
> barely keeps the clutch engaged. If I depress the pedal even
> a half inch,
> the clutch disengages. I've tried to adjust the clutch rod
> both ways but it
> either gets worse ( rod longer) or no change (rod shorter).
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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:22:05 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - NOS/hydro brakes

>>Gary C'mon now... I thought you were into restorations.
NOS = New old stock.

Congratulations, Gary. I didn't know what NOS stood for either until you
asked. I had surmised that it was desirable, but I would have never figured
it out if you hadn't asked. As we say around here, the only stupid question
is the one you don't know the answer to and don't ask.

BTW, the oldest vehicle I have seen with hydraulic brake boosters was my
brother's 77 Chebbie pickup with the Olds deisel. It seems deisels don't
develop vacuum properly for vacuum assist or else it isn't usable for some
reason. Now THAT was a piece of junk engine if ever there was one. But
that's another story....

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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:28:36 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Various

Steve Schafer writes: >> I have a couple of questions for the list. First of
all, I already have
a 77 F-250 Extend cab long bed and allot of mechanical ability, the new truck is
a 76
F-350 Crew cab cab chassis (don't hate me, I know allot of people have been
looking
for both of these trucks).

I'm jealous.

>> I bought it at my local salvage yard (basically I bought
a rearend and the rest of the truck came with it:>)).

Talk about luck........

>> It originally had a 360 and a 4 speed. I also bought a 460 and c-6 out of an
E-350. My question is will the frame mounts (stations) from the E-350 work on
the F-350.

Can't say for sure, but I would suspect they would work.

>> Second, will the exhaust manifolds from the van work within the truck
frame.

No reason they won't work. I have done a few 4X4 conversions to the 460 and the
van manifolds are recommended. The car manifolds require a very slight notch in
the top part of the "C" channel where the passenger side exits to the pipe.


You wouldn't happen to be from the Lansdale, Pa area would you???
Azie
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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:16:33 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - New purchase, lots of questions.

Been there, done this but don't recall for sure. I don't belive the
stancheons are the same. I had to make my own in any case. Engine
location is purely subjective and as long as it fits with some clearance
at the fire wall and you can find the correct fan spacer to get the
blades within the shoud opening (roughly centered axially and radially)
you have a good installation :-) L&L has conversion pieces for most
ford 460 swaps if you can't make your stock parts do the job and they
are well spoken of.

Van manifolds are truck manifolds

Panels can be obtained from AutoKrafters, JC whitney and Dennis
Carpemter among others.

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> 4 speed. I also bought a 460 and c-6 out of an E-350. My
> question is will the frame
> mounts (stations) from the E-350 work on the F-350. I can
> drill new holes if I have
> too, but will this put the motor in the proper position in
> the frame.

> Second, will
> the exhaust manifolds from the van work within the truck

> where can I find replacement panels for such things as; rear
> rocker panels, and rear
> floor panels. Thanks for all the answers in advance.
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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:34:25 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - '77 A/C

> I have a 77 F-100 with A/C that does not appear in the Ford Shop manuals.
> It has a separate plenum, fan, and control unit from the heater
> system. It
> has Ford stamped on all of the parts, but I cannot find any tech
> data on it.
> I would like to get it fixed after the engine swap. Any help on locating
> reference materials would be appreciated.
>

Likely what you have is a "dealer installed" A/C system. These were
available through the dealership, so if you ordered your truck and didn't
want the extra cost of A/C, then the dealer could cut you a deal on this
other A/C sometimes. At any rate these usually hung under the dash, which
is just what yours sounds like.

As for info and parts, likely some other source made them for Ford, so check
around and see if you can find any other manuf. info on them ... otherwise
you may be stuck running part numbers and calling dealers to see if they
know anything ... Shop manuals should also have info on this style of A/C,
just gotta find one from 77 or so...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:05:26 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Light Switches & Speedometers

When they work :-( I've found them to be about 50/50 :-( I finally got
a 3' crow bar out and popped the one in the lincoln after tearing up my
fingers trying to operate that stupid pin :-( The knob is out, don't
know if the switch is any good or not :-) Don't care either, Harumph!

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> Very cool to find out that there is a little button that
> releases the knob.
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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:37:03 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Wheels

Gary writes: >>BTW, I don't think the lincoln wheels will fit a 4x4 but I'm
sure they
will fit a 2x4 truck.

In my experiences I have found the truck wheels all to have the same bolt circle
measurement, but the 4X4's carried a much larger center hole. I've personally
used 4X4 wheels on a 2X4, but the 2X4 wheels would not go over the hub on the
4X4.

Azie
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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:37:50 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Horsepower

> where I kan get some performace parts for my 302 ?
> thanx mark.... I also need come engine parts for a 351c ?

Open up any Mustang magazine, if you can't find performance parts in there,
then you don't have your eyes open yet ... any parts store in your area
should be able to help you too. Really the only thing holding you back on
building a 302 is your money and what you want the motor to do, you can do
everything from a basic rebuild with a slight increase in power through a
four barrel and maybe some headers, or you can go all the way to the TFS
twisted wedge heads (aluminum of course) along with a fuel injection system
and long tube open headers, matched with a roller cam and rockers providing
gobs of lift and tons of high end horsepower ...

Its all in what you're looking to do with the motor/truck


351C can be a little trickier, but many parts are still available through
Summit and Jegs and places like that, likely the local store can even order
in the parts if you know what you're looking for.

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:24:05 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Power Brakes, Hydro :-)

There is only one additional line I can see so it's not a nighmare to me
:-) there are two return lines to the pump and one pressure line to the
brake booster and then to the steering box. Very neat and compact and
actually takes up less space than a vacuum booster. One thing I like
about it is the location of the proportioning valve directly below the
MC which puts all the connections right on the fender well within easy
reach and up out of the muck on the frame. This looks like an easy
install.

I also noted that the alternator is the large frame version and may have
more capacity than my truck version which will be nice for that eventual
addition of a winch.

- --
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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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- --

> They were using the hydro that far back ? Wow, and I thought
> the plumbing
> nightmare on my GT was cool and new :) There really is
> nothin new is there
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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:52:58 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - cross bolted mains

Darrell D. writes: >>Dont forget the 390 GT.

I've owned and worked on litterally dozens of GT 390's from '66 thru '68. Never
saw a cross bolted one.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:44:04 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Power Brakes, Hydro :-)

Even for $64 I would not have bought it if it DIDN'T have the 460, trust
me, that's what this was all about in the first place :-) The other
stuff is just icing on the cake :-)

For now I'm keeping the AC stuff until I decide whether it's worth the
hassel to try to use it in the bronco or buy a classic truck retrofit.
It has the round type compressor and bracket.

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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- --

> Did it have a 460 in it? If so, I would be interested in the
> AC bracket. If
> it held a York compressor. Thanks.
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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 07:32:35 -0700
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - NOS/hydro brakes

John Lagrone Wrote:

> BTW, the oldest vehicle I have seen with hydraulic brake boosters was my
> brother's 77 Chebbie pickup with the Olds deisel. It seems deisels don't
> develop vacuum properly for vacuum assist or else it isn't usable for some
> reason. Now THAT was a piece of junk engine if ever there was one. But
> that's another story....
>
> -- John
>
My response:
That makes sense. Diesels do not have carbs or venturies or throttle
butterflies (in otherwords no restriction on the intake tract). It's just a
straight open shot from the air filter to the intake valve. Therfore there
would be little to no vacuum developed in that type of engine.

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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:32:40 -0500
From: Dave Jacobs
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Power Brakes, Hydro :-)

Copy that. I would too. I have the square type York and am looking for a
bracket to mount it on a 460 for on-board air compressor setup. I suppose
the local junkyard is the place to start. Maybe the York won't work if your
setup is with a round compressor, mine might require the same. Thanks for
getting back to me.

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From: Peters, Gary (G.R.) [mailto:gpeters3 visteon.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 8:44 AM
To: '61-79-list ford-trucks.com'
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Power Brakes, Hydro :-)

Even for $64 I would not have bought it if it DIDN'T have
the 460, trust
me, that's what this was all about in the first place :-)
The other
stuff is just icing on the cake :-)

For now I'm keeping the AC stuff until I decide whether it's
worth the
hassel to try to use it in the bronco or buy a classic truck
retrofit.
It has the round type compressor and bracket.

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary

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> Did it have a 460 in it? If so, I would be interested in
the
> AC bracket. If
> it held a York compressor. Thanks.
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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:54:14 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - remind me why

Dare I say this just one more time..........ANTI-SEIZE! Unfortunately
they don't use it at the factory and we get old trucks that have never
been taken apart so the first job we do has to involve much more work.
Remove the head, get the bolts out, patiently, debur and retap all holes
while it's off, put it back on with anti-seize on all threads except the
head bolts and next time..........:-)

Some bolt holes go through walls and can access oil gallerys or water
passages so I wouldn't worry just yet :-)

BTW, Chevy bolts rust too :-)

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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- --

> manifold would be easier( as if ) got 2 bolts off, 1 bolt
> broke, 2 more
> have relatively good heads on them,,,the other 3 have no heads
> whatsoever,,,the brakelines and steering box arent helping
> anything either by
> hindering my access.
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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:58:36 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - RE: Brake Bleeding, bounced again....

Sarcastic? Well, maybe but mostly frustrated that I haven't figured
them all out yet and then, once figured out, I can't seem to remember to
asky them :-( Perfectionists are like that.....:-)

Glad to hear your house is coming along....a year in a motel? Holy
dollar signs batman!

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> This can't be what I think it is. Do I detect a hint of
> sarcasm from
> the iceman?
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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:05:23 EDT
From: Bad4dFilly aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - SPEAKERS???

In a message dated 08/30/1999 4:34:59 PM !!!First Boot!!!, wish iastate.edu
writes:


remeasure those ... >>

Yup, they sure are 5" speakers, I guess this is uncommon? Well, I am gonna
call around today and see what I can find locally. Thanks

*~*~Lisa and Envy~*~*
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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:08:42 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - SPEAKERS???

>
> remeasure those ... >>
>
> Yup, they sure are 5" speakers, I guess this is uncommon? Well,
> I am gonna
> call around today and see what I can find locally. Thanks
>


Hmmm...I coulda sworn I got 6" speakers from radio shack that I was gonna
put in the doors, but then the holes didn't line up, so I built a box for
them (well one for each) ...


Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:18:10 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - three speed with overdrive problems

Is this the same vacuum operated version that was on the 49 fords? I
had one of those with a knob to operate it. Didn't work of course :-)

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> > a relative has a 1971 f100 swb with a three speed trans
> with a knob on the
> > dash to engage the overdrive
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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:33:20 -0700
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Wheel bolt patterns

All -100's of that era used the 5 on 5 -1/2 bolt pattern. if anyone has a
57-96 F-100 or F150 with a different bolt pattern someone along the line
swapped out the axles or complete rear end.
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duckdon pacific.net
99 Contour
63 F-100 4x4
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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:42:06 -0700
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Brake Bleeding, bounced again....

Deacon wrote:

>
> They say they'll be finished with our house in Oct. That's one month
> short of a year we've been in this motel. It.s hard to believe how much
> a candle can change your life. ;] Soon as we're back in our house I'm
> burning a candle. Last thing I need is another phobia to go along with
> my fear of people, places and things. :)
>
> Later!
>
> Deacon

If your house is done it will be a Thanksgiving indeed ! Glad your still
around too Deacon, just put the candle in the fireplace this time, or
maybe the middle of the pool ;) Oops I forgot my asterisks, this message
will surely bounce....

While I'm here does anyone have any Dana 44 1/2 ton drum brake backing
plates? I need 4 of them cheap.

Laters


- --
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duckdon pacific.net
99 Contour
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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:01:22 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Whistle tranny and new tires?

> could be heard. It shifted okay, but just made a weird sound.

Still don't know on this one, sorry man.


> I'm also looking for tires and i found some that will be for sale this
> weekend. They are 275/60/15 BFGs on American Racing 15x10s. I
> wanted to know
> if these will fit.

Depends on the bolt pattern ... if they are for a truck, then likely they
will fit ...

The truck is still at it's stock height. Do I need to
> worry about the backspacing? If so what is it?

Hmmm...yes you have to worry about backspacing, but not to the extent that
some vehicles do ... as long as its close to the stock backspacing, I
wouldn't worry about it too much. The other issue is tire size, it looks
like these are just under 28" in diameter (probably 27 if you use a tape
measure and actually measure it), so you should be just fine and not have
any rubbing problems unless your back spacing is WAAAAYYYY off ... at which
point you have other issues ...

does anyone know what stock backspacing is ? I know its the same for all
the years, but what is it ???

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:32:40 -0700
From: "James A. Doty"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Brakes (none)

Hi All:

Sunday while returning to my new apartment from my
old duplex I attempted a stop
at an intersection when the light turned red. As
I started slowing to a stop I heard a
"clunk" and the brake pedal went all the way to
the floor and I only stopped by putting
the tranmission in park. When the light turned
green I pulled forward and up a curve, and
again put the transmission in park to stop.

After calling a tow truck and having my van towed
to my father-in-laws house he (My
father-in-law, Delvan) discovered that the left
front calipar was destroyed, the inside brake
pad was worn through past the rivits, and the
inside rotor service was worn nearly clean
through.

All of the above brake parts had been replaced
last year. I suspect the calipar jammed and
caused all the damage. But after this long
explanation of what happened, here's my questions.

The van is a '78 E-150 with 351W PS/PB/AT/AC. I
was under the belief that if one brake
failed the van should have still had breaks. That
is, isn't the braking system supposed to switch
from front to rear or rear to front whenever there
is a sudden loss of brake pressure? I thought
that if I lost the front brakes the rear brakes
would be forced to do all the work, instead like I

said earlier the brake pedel dropped to the floor
when I pressed on it with almost no resistance
and no obvious brake pressure at all.

Any ideas as to what caused this problem with
braking would really be appreciated.

Thanks.

James A. Doty
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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:58:31 GMT
From: "madness madness"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Horsepower

Mark Mark MArk. When are you gonna learn if you want power you gotta get a
Mustang. They are alot faster that your truck (Expept For Mine 355 gearing)

Steve

92 Mustang 5.0
88 Mustang 5.0
86 Mustang 5.0
Nissan Pathfinder ***

>From: "Mark Mcknight"
>Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - Horsepower
>Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 20:22:16 PDT
>
>What should the horse power be on a stock 460 from a 73 ford f-250 ? I am
>thinking of buying the engine as a back up.... I would also like to know
>where I kan get some performace parts for my 302 ?
>thanx mark.... I also need come engine parts for a 351c ? I think thats
>what
>it is at least. any input would be great thanx
>
>
>Mark
>78' ford f-100
>and soon to be 73 F 250
>mazda b3000
>mazda minivan
>
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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:00:57 GMT
From: "madness madness"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - SPEAKERS???

Just Drop 2 15" Cranks in there who cares about what it'll look like j/k


>From: Bad4dFilly aol.com
>Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - SPEAKERS???
>Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:11:08 EDT
>
>Hey y'all! How hard is it to find 5" speakers for door panels? My dad says
>that's the only size that'll fit in my '77. Is this an uncommon size???
>
>*~*~Lisa and Envy~*~*
>*~*~SIlly boys...trucks are for GIRLS!!~*~*
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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:01:38 PDT
From: "Mark Mcknight"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Horsepower

well thanx yet again... I like this discussion group. best one yet. I got a
set of headers and a GT-40 roller cam for my truck and when it goes back in
she's gonna get dynoed. I am also thinkin' of buying a high rise intake and
a 4 barrel carb. I will keep you updated on the dyno stuff.... it already
as a stocker ran the quarter mile at 90 miles an hour. I will gladly drag
race anyone when she's done :O) and it's gonna be a baja runner.. everything
but the roll cage.. all you mustang boys look out!

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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:02:32 -0700
From: "J.S.H."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Edelbrock carb.

>Anyone have any experience in this area with the Edelbrock Performer
> Series carb's and a 460? If I'm just inviting trouble I'll stick with
>the stock carb. Thanks!


Go for it.Put one on my Dad's 460 and it ran great right out of the
box.Put a Carter{same thing,usualy cheaper)set up for my 428 on the 460
in my 84 and it ran great.
I have not had good luck with a lot of aftermarket componets,but
Edelbrock/Carter carbs are a exception.
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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:17:54 CDT
From: "Daniel Hansen"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - How much Horses for 390??

I was just wondering if anybody would know how much my motor has for
horsepower. It is a 390 FE and has stock pistons but has a 4 barrel intake,
600 holley double pumper on it. It is has a stall at 2500, has electric
distribitor, high performance spark plugs and wires. Everything on the
motor is brand new though. If i forgot anything please ask

Thanks
Endroman

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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:18:49 -0400
From: tfreeman murphyfarms.com
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Horsepower

I can't remember the last time I saw a Mustang top a sand dune and 85mph, but it
wasn't pretty....... ;-)

I did it with a shool bus one time though. :-[] Dang long wheel base got me.
She bottomed out going over the top. :-)

- -Ted






"Mark Mcknight" on 08/31/99 04:01:38 PM

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Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Horsepower




well thanx yet again... I like this discussion group. best one yet. I got a
set of headers and a GT-40 roller cam for my truck and when it goes back in
she's gonna get dynoed. I am also thinkin' of buying a high rise intake and
a 4 barrel carb. I will keep you updated on the dyno stuff.... it already
as a stocker ran the quarter mile at 90 miles an hour. I will gladly drag
race anyone when she's done :O) and it's gonna be a baja runner.. everything
but the roll cage.. all you mustang boys look out!

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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:27:42 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - How much Horses for 390??

> I was just wondering if anybody would know how much my motor has for
> horsepower. It is a 390 FE and has stock pistons but has a 4
> barrel intake,
> 600 holley double pumper on it. It is has a stall at 2500, has electric
> distribitor, high performance spark plugs and wires. Everything on the
> motor is brand new though. If i forgot anything please ask
>

It depends on what year it is, if its one of the last years (72+) its stock
rating is a whopping 215 SAE Net (as opposed to the 250 or whatever it
would get as Gross hp) ... Is it an aftermarket 4V or the stock intake ?
the 600 won't add much unless the intake is aftermarket (600 was stock carb
size for the 4V right?) "high performace plugs" don't really do much in my
experience, and the wires will help a little, but mostly just make it run
cleaner, maybe a few more horses ... figure with a good tune and a decent
intake, probably can claim 225, though dunno if you'd ever get there. I
really have no experience with a dyno (well dynoed a 6cyl Oliver once), but
I can tell you that the claimed power increases are rarely met, unless its a
specific weak point in the motor ... the exhaust on the 390's for instance,
may not reach all the claims, but it'll still be a heck of a lot more
powerful with headers on it ...

with a truck you really want to look at the torque anyway, likely you're
able to put down some pretty good torque numbers, dunno waht they are, but
I'll bet they're pretty nice :)

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:34:38 -0400
From: James Oxley
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Duraspark II for 390??

Ford make this? and if so, any reason 78 truck duraspark II box would
not work?.

Thanks

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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:37:20 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Duraspark II for 390??

> Ford make this?

Yup, 76.

and if so, any reason 78 truck duraspark II box would
> not work?.

Not that I know of ... as logn as you can get everything lined up for wiring
...


Just my $.02
wish

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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:40:59 PDT
From: "Mark Mcknight"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - top the sand dune

hehe... if a school bus can do damn I gotta try it!!! gotta get me an old IH
d 366 :)

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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:53:12 -0400
From: James Oxley
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Duraspark II for 390??

William S. Hart wrote:
>
> > Ford make this?
>
> Yup, 76.
>

OK, next question. Any reason a 76, 390 distr won't work in a 69 390
block?

Thanks again

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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:58:01 EDT
From: "Gerald Ash"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Horsepower

Untill you meet the Ford F100 Lightning......from the showroom
140mph......yep it'll pull the trailer with them ponies in it....haha


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Mark Mark MArk. When are you gonna learn if you want power you gotta get a
Mustang. They are alot faster that your truck (Expept For Mine 355 gearing)

Steve

92 Mustang 5.0
88 Mustang 5.0
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Nissan Pathfinder ***

>From: "Mark Mcknight"
>Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - Horsepower
>Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 20:22:16 PDT
>
>What should the horse power be on a stock 460 from a 73 ford f-250 ? I am
>thinking of buying the engine as a back up.... I would also like to know
>where I kan get some performace parts for my 302 ?
>thanx mark.... I also need come engine parts for a 351c ? I think thats
>what
>it is at least. any input would be great thanx
>
>
>Mark
>78' ford f-100
>and soon to be 73 F 250
>mazda b3000
>mazda minivan
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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:15:42 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Duraspark II for 390??

> > > Ford make this?
> >
> > Yup, 76.
> >
>
> OK, next question. Any reason a 76, 390 distr won't work in a 69 390
> block?
>

None that I know of ... good luck finding the dist though ... might be able
to change the internals from your 78 whatever into teh points dist in the FE
and use the original housing and everythign that way ...


Just my $.02
wish

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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:17:54 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Horsepower

> Untill you meet the Ford F100 Lightning......from the showroom
> 140mph......yep it'll pull the trailer with them ponies in it....haha
>
Did you guys catch that on TNN ? They got 320 REAR WHEEL horsepower on the
dyno there! 1/4 times were in the mid 14's with them drivin it ... man,
amazing, all that and it still retained its 5000 lb towing capacity ... now
if it could only do that while towing ... ;)

Just my $.02
wish

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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:37:14 -0700
From: Brian Koss
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 427 Casting Numbers/ 330 HD

Thanks for the info. Now does anybody know anything about the 330 HD. In
yesterdays digest there was some discussion about the 330 in a 72 F700 and
a 65 F500. Why is it not included in any of the FE literature?

Jason Wrote:
Bob, your FT 330's are cousins to the FE family. Ft's were used in
heavy trucks. They had forged steel cranks, small valve heads, and low
compression. These motors were built for torque to haul heavy loads.
Valve sizes are 1.75" on the intakes and 1.5" for the exhaust. The bore
on the 330 is 3.87". Only FT heads will fit your 330 because of valve to
cylinder clearance.

Jason do you know the stroke of the 330 and where did you find the
information.

> The casting number on the
> block is C5AE-A. I was unable to check the stroke length becuase we did
not
> have any tools. Does anybody have info on the casting number?
..........

I'm looking at a chart which shows 3 different possibilities....

1) 330HD/3.875 Bore

2) 1965 390/4.05 Bore

3) 1965 427/4.23 Bore top-oiler

..... There is no mention about cross bolt mains


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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:26:12 PDT
From: "Mark Mcknight"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Horsepower

Yeah but I bet they suck that gas down like nothing else... and up here they
run around 40 grand.. I would just as soon make a fancy looking old truck
:o)
>
> > Untill you meet the Ford F100 Lightning......from the showroom
> > 140mph......yep it'll pull the trailer with them ponies in it....haha
> >
>Did you guys catch that on TNN ? They got 320 REAR WHEEL horsepower on the
>dyno there! 1/4 times were in the mid 14's with them drivin it ... man,
>amazing, all that and it still retained its 5000 lb towing capacity ... now
>if it could only do that while towing ... ;)
>
>Just my $.02
>wish
>
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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:30:44 -0500
From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - How much Horses for 390??

My '70 390 had 275 hp(gross) 160,000 miles ago. Two barrel carb and
manifolds. Completely Stock.

Jason





Daniel Hansen wrote:
>
> I was just wondering if anybody would know how much my motor has for
> horsepower. It is a 390 FE and has stock pistons but has a 4 barrel intake,
> 600 holley double pumper on it. It is has a stall at 2500, has electric
> distribitor, high performance spark plugs and wires. Everything on the
> motor is brand new though. If i forgot anything please ask
>
> Thanks
> Endroman
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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:38:34 -0500
From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 427 Casting Numbers/ 330 HD

> Jason do you know the stroke of the 330 and where did you find the
> information.

The stroke on the 330 is 3.50". My info comes from the book "How To
Rebuild Big Block Ford Engines" by Steve Christ. It's a must have as it
contains more technical info than you'll probably ever need on FE and FT
engines.

>
> ..... There is no mention about cross bolt mains

All 427's had cross bolted mains.

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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:49:07 -0400
From: "Ted and Sarah Freeman"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 427 Casting Numbers/ 330 HD

The 330 is listed in my shop manual for a '68 and is referenced in Steve
Christ's book on How to rebuild your Big Block Ford.

The 330 isn't really and FE but it's first cousin the FT. Some FE's and
FT's share the same block. For example a 105 (stamped in reverse on the
block) makes a good foundation for a 390, 410 or even a 428. I don't know
how much meat is left in the bores on a 330, but being a work engine, I
would assume you could at least go to 4.05" on it.

Later,

- -Ted

>Thanks for the info. Now does anybody know anything about the 330 HD. In
>yesterdays digest there was some discussion about the 330 in a 72 F700 and
>a 65 F500. Why is it not included in any of the FE literature?
>


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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:03:28 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - cross bolted mains

I decided to double check this one, and everyone else was right. Coulda
swore I saw 390 GT listed as being cross bolted. My bad.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:09:27 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 Carb Change

In a message dated 8/31/99 5:50:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
gpeters3 ....


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