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 ford-trucks.com (61-79-list-digest) To: 61-79-list-digest ford-trucks.com Subject: 61-79-list-digest V3 #310 Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com Sender: owner-61-79-list-digest ford-trucks.com Errors-To: owner-61-79-list-digest ford-trucks.com Precedence: bulk 61-79-list-digest Tuesday, August 31 1999 Volume 03 : Number 310 ======================================================================= Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961-1979 Trucks and Vans Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, send email to: majordomo ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list-digest" in the body of the message. ======================================================================= In this issue: FTE 61-79 - '77 A/C FTE 61-79 - Wheel bolt patterns Re: FTE 61-79 - Wheel bolt patterns Re: FTE 61-79 - 1972 ford f-100 engines-302 RE: FTE 61-79 - RE: Brake Bleeding, bounced again.... RE: FTE 61-79 - Wheel bolt patterns RE: FTE 61-79 - 460 Carb Change Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Brake Bleeding, bounced again.... RE: FTE 61-79 - Clutch Adjustment FTE 61-79 - NOS/hydro brakes FTE 61-79 - Various RE: FTE 61-79 - New purchase, lots of questions. RE: FTE 61-79 - '77 A/C RE: FTE 61-79 - Light Switches & Speedometers FTE 61-79 - Wheels RE: FTE 61-79 - Horsepower RE: FTE 61-79 - Power Brakes, Hydro :-) FTE 61-79 - cross bolted mains RE: FTE 61-79 - Power Brakes, Hydro :-) RE: FTE 61-79 - NOS/hydro brakes RE: FTE 61-79 - Power Brakes, Hydro :-) RE: FTE 61-79 - remind me why RE: FTE 61-79 - RE: Brake Bleeding, bounced again.... Re: FTE 61-79 - SPEAKERS??? RE: FTE 61-79 - SPEAKERS??? RE: FTE 61-79 - three speed with overdrive problems Re: FTE 61-79 - Wheel bolt patterns Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Brake Bleeding, bounced again.... RE: FTE 61-79 - Whistle tranny and new tires? FTE 61-79 - Brakes (none) Re: FTE 61-79 - Horsepower Re: FTE 61-79 - SPEAKERS??? RE: FTE 61-79 - Horsepower FTE 61-79 - Edelbrock carb. FTE 61-79 - How much Horses for 390?? RE: FTE 61-79 - Horsepower RE: FTE 61-79 - How much Horses for 390?? FTE 61-79 - Duraspark II for 390?? RE: FTE 61-79 - Duraspark II for 390?? FTE 61-79 - top the sand dune Re: FTE 61-79 - Duraspark II for 390?? Re: FTE 61-79 - Horsepower RE: FTE 61-79 - Duraspark II for 390?? RE: FTE 61-79 - Horsepower FTE 61-79 - 427 Casting Numbers/ 330 HD RE: FTE 61-79 - Horsepower Re: FTE 61-79 - How much Horses for 390?? Re: FTE 61-79 - 427 Casting Numbers/ 330 HD Re: FTE 61-79 - 427 Casting Numbers/ 330 HD Re: FTE 61-79 - cross bolted mains Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 Carb Change FTE 61-79 - Steering Column RE: FTE 61-79 - SPEAKERS??? Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 Carb Change ======================================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 04:59:02 -0500 From: "mstrawn" Subject: FTE 61-79 - '77 A/C I have a 77 F-100 with A/C that does not appear in the Ford Shop manuals. It has a separate plenum, fan, and control unit from the heater system. It has Ford stamped on all of the parts, but I cannot find any tech data on it. I would like to get it fixed after the engine swap. Any help on locating reference materials would be appreciated. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 06:52:30 -0400 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Wheel bolt patterns Ok, can you see how yellow my face is? Egg all over the place! :-( I still have some of those old small hole wheels and the ones on my lincoln are.........small :-( Sorry :-( I measured all of them last night and found that there are two very standard sizes: 3" center hole with 5" bolt circle 4.312" center hole with 5.5" bolt circle My 78 2wd pickup has the 5.5 with large hole as does my bronco and as did, I believe the 74 merc but....... the lincoln has the 3" hole and 5" bolt circle and I believe the older trucks did too, 67-68 F-100's. So just to ease an old man's mind, could someone please check his old 67-68 truck and measure between any two or between one and three, center to center and give me the numbers? 5" bolt circle will be 2.939" between any two adjacent lugs and 4.755" between 1 & 3 etc. 5.5" bolt circle will be 2.233 between any two adjacent lugs and 5.231 between 1 & 3 etc. This was a long time ago but I distinctly remember trying to swap wheels and was surprised that the car axles used larger bolt circles at that time. I will say this though......if the older trucks do use the smaller bolt circle I have a nice set of wheels that someone will be very proud to have on his truck with a little cleanup and I hate to see them just go to the junk yard. I can't see myself having any use for them so they will be going for sure. - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 07:25:32 EDT From: "Gerald Ash" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Wheel bolt patterns I'll pass you the rag to wipe off Gary. Don't worry about it as now you, I, and the person with the right answer knows. That is two of us that's learned and two out of three aint bad. I have even found a new junk yard dealer out of the deal as my old one told me the same thing and I figured he just didn't want to go to the bottom of the heap or in the weeds where the snakes and wasps were. :) Have a good day. GA - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com To: "'61-79-list ford-trucks.com'" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Wheel bolt patterns Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 06:52:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 >From owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com Tue Aug 31 03:57:17 1999 Received: from [192.41.63.203] by hotmail.com (2.1) with ESMTP id MHotMailB995000B0074D8219798C0293FCB086B0; Tue Aug 31 03:57:17 1999 Received: (fordtruc localhost) by ford-trucks.com (8.8.5) id GAA19680; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 06:52:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfw1.ford.com (mailfw1.ford.com [136.1.1.26]) by ford-trucks.com (8.8.5) id GAA19675; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 06:52:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mailfw1.ford.com id GAA11603 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for 61-79-list ford-trucks.com); Tue, 31 Aug 1999 06:52:33 -0400 Message-Id: Received: by mailfw1.ford.com (Internal Mail Agent-1); Tue, 31 Aug 1999 06:52:33 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Sender: owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com Precedence: bulk Ok, can you see how yellow my face is? Egg all over the place! :-( I still have some of those old small hole wheels and the ones on my lincoln are.........small :-( Sorry :-( I measured all of them last night and found that there are two very standard sizes: 3" center hole with 5" bolt circle 4.312" center hole with 5.5" bolt circle My 78 2wd pickup has the 5.5 with large hole as does my bronco and as did, I believe the 74 merc but....... the lincoln has the 3" hole and 5" bolt circle and I believe the older trucks did too, 67-68 F-100's. So just to ease an old man's mind, could someone please check his old 67-68 truck and measure between any two or between one and three, center to center and give me the numbers? 5" bolt circle will be 2.939" between any two adjacent lugs and 4.755" between 1 & 3 etc. 5.5" bolt circle will be 2.233 between any two adjacent lugs and 5.231 between 1 & 3 etc. This was a long time ago but I distinctly remember trying to swap wheels and was surprised that the car axles used larger bolt circles at that time. I will say this though......if the older trucks do use the smaller bolt circle I have a nice set of wheels that someone will be very proud to have on his truck with a little cleanup and I hate to see them just go to the junk yard. I can't see myself having any use for them so they will be going for sure. - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ______________________________________________________ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 07:29:56 EDT From: "Gerald Ash" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1972 ford f-100 engines-302 Let's make a deal.....email me - ----Original Message Follows---- From: Don or Bub Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com To: truck mailing list Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1972 ford f-100 engines-302 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 18:49:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 >From owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com Mon Aug 30 18:48:53 1999 Received: (fordtruc localhost) by ford-trucks.com (8.8.5) id VAA29933; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 21:45:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com (imail ha1.rdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.0.66]) by ford-trucks.com (8.8.5) id VAA29852; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 21:45:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: ford-trucks.com: Host imail ha1.rdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.0.66] claimed to be mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com Received: from home.com ([24.0.69.30]) by mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 18:45:25 -0700 Message-ID: Organization: Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en]C-AtHome0404 (Win95; U) Sender: owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com Precedence: bulk i own a 72 f-100 that has a 302 c.i.d. close to 300'000. my engine has seen better days and is going to sleep for good soon. i was wondering what is a good place for reliable engines == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ______________________________________________________ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:15:00 -0400 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - RE: Brake Bleeding, bounced again.... So.....what happens if I just tab down 10 lines before I start to type? Actually there is a list of key words Majordomo uses that can be obtained from him right? I'll tape it to my monitor so I can get this straight :-) I could just put asterisks in every word to be safe :-) - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- > Forwarded for: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" > > list which, IMHO, should be aired on the list so I ch*nge the address > when I feel it is appropriate so all can share the inf*rmation. If == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:31:38 -0400 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Wheel bolt patterns Unless I mismeasured again.....(can this be?) it's a 5" circle not 4.5". My handy dandy spread sheet calculates the bolt circle as 5" when the distance between lug 1 & 3 is 4.755" which is what the lincoln is and the other old wheels out back were too. As to the redrilling thing, why not try using the front hubs from the lincoln on the truck and the rear axles as well and then I can ship you some really nice wheels for it :-) Don't know if the front hubs have the same bearing size and spacing or not but if they do......:-) (assuming 2wd of course :-)) Heck, I might take a look at this myself this weekend the then the wheels will not be available because I really like them :-) All the punkins interchage so if it happens to be 28 spline just swap the punkin and axles etc..... I think mine may have limited slip rear so I'm hoping to fine 31 splines in there when I pull the axle to check :-) - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- > William H. writes: >>Don't lincolns use the car bolt pattern > (5 on 4.5?) versus > your truck > pattern (5 on 5.5?)az > > Yep sure do. I'm hoping to unbolt the mechanics of the rear == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:43:04 -0400 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 460 Carb Change Is this a spread bore or square bore? Most 460's come with spread bores but they are ford proprietary bolt pattern and are not interchangeable with any of the others IE rochester, Holley 4165/75 or Carter Thermo Quads. Since you are considering the Edlebrock performer I'm guessing it's square? Edlebrocks are basically Carter design and are very good when set up properly but many say the carter is better and costs the same. What kind of performance are you looking for, prioritize for us: power, economy, throttle response etc...... - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- > I want to change the 4 bbl carb on my 1979 460 with an Edelbrock > Performer Series. I purchased the carb and started to take inventory > > I'm changing the carb because the current one needs to be re-built > every year and I think it's just worn out. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 06:02:23 -0700 From: "Deacon" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Brake Bleeding, bounced again.... - ----- Original Message ----- From: Peters, Gary > I could just put asterisks in every word to be safe :-) This can't be what I think it is. Do I detect a hint of sarcasm from the iceman? ", Good to see you back Gary. What's with the new ISP? They say they'll be finished with our house in Oct. That's one month short of a year we've been in this motel. It.s hard to believe how much a candle can change your life. ;] Soon as we're back in our house I'm burning a candle. Last thing I need is another phobia to go along with my fear of people, places and things. :) Later! Deacon deconblu ford-trucks.com deconblu earthlink.net http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.earthlink.net/~deconblu/ ================================================================ '76 F350 FE360 C6 \ '73 F100 302 C4 '66 Mustang 289 C4 \ '89 Aerostar Who cares! ============================================== Depression is merely anger without enthusiasm == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:02:18 -0400 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Clutch Adjustment Number one, the linkage has to have some "freeplay" at full rest or it won't engage fully and you will toast the pressure plate and flywheel, very quickly. Typically, shortening the rod will allow more free play but if parts are worn, pieces are missing etc. it will be hard to get the correct range of motion to both fully engage and fully disengage the clutch. If it is the fingered variety you can also run into problems with the pivots of the fingers and if the throwout bearing is in backward.........sheeesh! Make sure the return spring is pulling the pedal all the way to it's stop, every time, then check for free play. You should have at least an inch or so of free play for proper operation. At that setting you should also have full release well before hitting the floor with the pedal. If either of these is not happening you have to adjust up or down to achieve this. If it can't be achieved then you have a pressure plate/flywheel problem or the linkage has busings missing, is bent or is worn out. The return spring is absolutely mandatory to get this adjustment because it is what keeps the rod engaged with the throwout arm yet still allows some freeplay. When I bought my bronco the guy had the rod adjusted so the clutch rod would not fall out but there was no return spring so there was also no free play.....bad news! My linkage is very worn and bushings are missing but with the return spring I can get it to work very well so I have high hopes for you :-) Some day soon I will have to address the bushing problem or it will eventually wear right through the link and the whole mess will fall off :-( There is also a pedal helper spring which can throw off your adjustment. Make sure it it in place and with links removed it should snap rather briskly to the floor after about 1.5 - 2" of movement. I like an early clutch so like to adjust my free play to coincide with the beginning of the helper spring operation, that is, at the point where the free play come out and you begin to feel some resistance in the linkage, the helper spring is just starting to influence things but not enough to overcome the return spring. I like delicate balances so play it pretty close :-) If you allow too much free play to get an earlier clutch engagement the helper spring overcomes the return spring and it won't return to the stop. - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- > different days. Ahhh, the clutch. My clutch with the pedal > fully released, > barely keeps the clutch engaged. If I depress the pedal even > a half inch, > the clutch disengages. I've tried to adjust the clutch rod > both ways but it > either gets worse ( rod longer) or no change (rod shorter). == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:22:05 -0500 From: "John LaGrone" Subject: FTE 61-79 - NOS/hydro brakes >>Gary C'mon now... I thought you were into restorations. NOS = New old stock. Congratulations, Gary. I didn't know what NOS stood for either until you asked. I had surmised that it was desirable, but I would have never figured it out if you hadn't asked. As we say around here, the only stupid question is the one you don't know the answer to and don't ask. BTW, the oldest vehicle I have seen with hydraulic brake boosters was my brother's 77 Chebbie pickup with the Olds deisel. It seems deisels don't develop vacuum properly for vacuum assist or else it isn't usable for some reason. Now THAT was a piece of junk engine if ever there was one. But that's another story.... - -- John jlagrone ford-trucks.com 1979 F150 Custom LWB Regular Cab 351M C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!! == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:28:36 -0400 From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Various Steve Schafer writes: >> I have a couple of questions for the list. First of all, I already have a 77 F-250 Extend cab long bed and allot of mechanical ability, the new truck is a 76 F-350 Crew cab cab chassis (don't hate me, I know allot of people have been looking for both of these trucks). I'm jealous. >> I bought it at my local salvage yard (basically I bought a rearend and the rest of the truck came with it:>)). Talk about luck........ >> It originally had a 360 and a 4 speed. I also bought a 460 and c-6 out of an E-350. My question is will the frame mounts (stations) from the E-350 work on the F-350. Can't say for sure, but I would suspect they would work. >> Second, will the exhaust manifolds from the van work within the truck frame. No reason they won't work. I have done a few 4X4 conversions to the 460 and the van manifolds are recommended. The car manifolds require a very slight notch in the top part of the "C" channel where the passenger side exits to the pipe. You wouldn't happen to be from the Lansdale, Pa area would you??? Azie Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:16:33 -0400 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - New purchase, lots of questions. Been there, done this but don't recall for sure. I don't belive the stancheons are the same. I had to make my own in any case. Engine location is purely subjective and as long as it fits with some clearance at the fire wall and you can find the correct fan spacer to get the blades within the shoud opening (roughly centered axially and radially) you have a good installation :-) L&L has conversion pieces for most ford 460 swaps if you can't make your stock parts do the job and they are well spoken of. Van manifolds are truck manifolds Panels can be obtained from AutoKrafters, JC whitney and Dennis Carpemter among others. - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- > 4 speed. I also bought a 460 and c-6 out of an E-350. My > question is will the frame > mounts (stations) from the E-350 work on the F-350. I can > drill new holes if I have > too, but will this put the motor in the proper position in > the frame. > Second, will > the exhaust manifolds from the van work within the truck > where can I find replacement panels for such things as; rear > rocker panels, and rear > floor panels. Thanks for all the answers in advance. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:34:25 -0500 From: "William S. Hart" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - '77 A/C > I have a 77 F-100 with A/C that does not appear in the Ford Shop manuals. > It has a separate plenum, fan, and control unit from the heater > system. It > has Ford stamped on all of the parts, but I cannot find any tech > data on it. > I would like to get it fixed after the engine swap. Any help on locating > reference materials would be appreciated. > Likely what you have is a "dealer installed" A/C system. These were available through the dealership, so if you ordered your truck and didn't want the extra cost of A/C, then the dealer could cut you a deal on this other A/C sometimes. At any rate these usually hung under the dash, which is just what yours sounds like. As for info and parts, likely some other source made them for Ford, so check around and see if you can find any other manuf. info on them ... otherwise you may be stuck running part numbers and calling dealers to see if they know anything ... Shop manuals should also have info on this style of A/C, just gotta find one from 77 or so... Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 4.6L 73ish F100 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:05:26 -0400 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Light Switches & Speedometers When they work :-( I've found them to be about 50/50 :-( I finally got a 3' crow bar out and popped the one in the lincoln after tearing up my fingers trying to operate that stupid pin :-( The knob is out, don't know if the switch is any good or not :-) Don't care either, Harumph! - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- > Very cool to find out that there is a little button that > releases the knob. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:37:03 -0400 From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Wheels Gary writes: >>BTW, I don't think the lincoln wheels will fit a 4x4 but I'm sure they will fit a 2x4 truck. In my experiences I have found the truck wheels all to have the same bolt circle measurement, but the 4X4's carried a much larger center hole. I've personally used 4X4 wheels on a 2X4, but the 2X4 wheels would not go over the hub on the 4X4. Azie Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:37:50 -0500 From: "William S. Hart" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Horsepower > where I kan get some performace parts for my 302 ? > thanx mark.... I also need come engine parts for a 351c ? Open up any Mustang magazine, if you can't find performance parts in there, then you don't have your eyes open yet ... any parts store in your area should be able to help you too. Really the only thing holding you back on building a 302 is your money and what you want the motor to do, you can do everything from a basic rebuild with a slight increase in power through a four barrel and maybe some headers, or you can go all the way to the TFS twisted wedge heads (aluminum of course) along with a fuel injection system and long tube open headers, matched with a roller cam and rockers providing gobs of lift and tons of high end horsepower ... Its all in what you're looking to do with the motor/truck 351C can be a little trickier, but many parts are still available through Summit and Jegs and places like that, likely the local store can even order in the parts if you know what you're looking for. Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 4.6L 73ish F100 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:24:05 -0400 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Power Brakes, Hydro :-) There is only one additional line I can see so it's not a nighmare to me :-) there are two return lines to the pump and one pressure line to the brake booster and then to the steering box. Very neat and compact and actually takes up less space than a vacuum booster. One thing I like about it is the location of the proportioning valve directly below the MC which puts all the connections right on the fender well within easy reach and up out of the muck on the frame. This looks like an easy install. I also noted that the alternator is the large frame version and may have more capacity than my truck version which will be nice for that eventual addition of a winch. - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- > They were using the hydro that far back ? Wow, and I thought > the plumbing > nightmare on my GT was cool and new :) There really is > nothin new is there == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:52:58 -0400 From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - cross bolted mains Darrell D. writes: >>Dont forget the 390 GT. I've owned and worked on litterally dozens of GT 390's from '66 thru '68. Never saw a cross bolted one. Azie Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:44:04 -0400 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Power Brakes, Hydro :-) Even for $64 I would not have bought it if it DIDN'T have the 460, trust me, that's what this was all about in the first place :-) The other stuff is just icing on the cake :-) For now I'm keeping the AC stuff until I decide whether it's worth the hassel to try to use it in the bronco or buy a classic truck retrofit. It has the round type compressor and bracket. - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- > Did it have a 460 in it? If so, I would be interested in the > AC bracket. If > it held a York compressor. Thanks. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 07:32:35 -0700 From: "Hogan, Tom" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - NOS/hydro brakes John Lagrone Wrote: > BTW, the oldest vehicle I have seen with hydraulic brake boosters was my > brother's 77 Chebbie pickup with the Olds deisel. It seems deisels don't > develop vacuum properly for vacuum assist or else it isn't usable for some > reason. Now THAT was a piece of junk engine if ever there was one. But > that's another story.... > > -- John > My response: That makes sense. Diesels do not have carbs or venturies or throttle butterflies (in otherwords no restriction on the intake tract). It's just a straight open shot from the air filter to the intake valve. Therfore there would be little to no vacuum developed in that type of engine. Tom H. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:32:40 -0500 From: Dave Jacobs Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Power Brakes, Hydro :-) Copy that. I would too. I have the square type York and am looking for a bracket to mount it on a 460 for on-board air compressor setup. I suppose the local junkyard is the place to start. Maybe the York won't work if your setup is with a round compressor, mine might require the same. Thanks for getting back to me. -----Original Message----- From: Peters, Gary (G.R.) [mailto:gpeters3 visteon.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 8:44 AM To: '61-79-list ford-trucks.com' Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Power Brakes, Hydro :-) Even for $64 I would not have bought it if it DIDN'T have the 460, trust me, that's what this was all about in the first place :-) The other stuff is just icing on the cake :-) For now I'm keeping the AC stuff until I decide whether it's worth the hassel to try to use it in the bronco or buy a classic truck retrofit. It has the round type compressor and bracket. -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 -- > Did it have a 460 in it? If so, I would be interested in the > AC bracket. If > it held a York compressor. Thanks. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:54:14 -0400 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - remind me why Dare I say this just one more time..........ANTI-SEIZE! Unfortunately they don't use it at the factory and we get old trucks that have never been taken apart so the first job we do has to involve much more work. Remove the head, get the bolts out, patiently, debur and retap all holes while it's off, put it back on with anti-seize on all threads except the head bolts and next time..........:-) Some bolt holes go through walls and can access oil gallerys or water passages so I wouldn't worry just yet :-) BTW, Chevy bolts rust too :-) - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- > manifold would be easier( as if ) got 2 bolts off, 1 bolt > broke, 2 more > have relatively good heads on them,,,the other 3 have no heads > whatsoever,,,the brakelines and steering box arent helping > anything either by > hindering my access. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:58:36 -0400 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - RE: Brake Bleeding, bounced again.... Sarcastic? Well, maybe but mostly frustrated that I haven't figured them all out yet and then, once figured out, I can't seem to remember to asky them :-( Perfectionists are like that.....:-) Glad to hear your house is coming along....a year in a motel? Holy dollar signs batman! - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- > This can't be what I think it is. Do I detect a hint of > sarcasm from > the iceman? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:05:23 EDT From: Bad4dFilly aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - SPEAKERS??? In a message dated 08/30/1999 4:34:59 PM !!!First Boot!!!, wish iastate.edu writes: remeasure those ... >> Yup, they sure are 5" speakers, I guess this is uncommon? Well, I am gonna call around today and see what I can find locally. Thanks *~*~Lisa and Envy~*~* *~*~SIlly boys...trucks are for GIRS!!~*~* == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:08:42 -0500 From: "William S. Hart" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - SPEAKERS??? > > remeasure those ... >> > > Yup, they sure are 5" speakers, I guess this is uncommon? Well, > I am gonna > call around today and see what I can find locally. Thanks > Hmmm...I coulda sworn I got 6" speakers from radio shack that I was gonna put in the doors, but then the holes didn't line up, so I built a box for them (well one for each) ... Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 4.6L 73ish F100 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:18:10 -0400 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - three speed with overdrive problems Is this the same vacuum operated version that was on the 49 fords? I had one of those with a knob to operate it. Didn't work of course :-) - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- > > a relative has a 1971 f100 swb with a three speed trans > with a knob on the > > dash to engage the overdrive == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:33:20 -0700 From: Don Grossman Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Wheel bolt patterns All -100's of that era used the 5 on 5 -1/2 bolt pattern. if anyone has a 57-96 F-100 or F150 with a different bolt pattern someone along the line swapped out the axles or complete rear end. - -- Don Grossman duckdon pacific.net 99 Contour 63 F-100 4x4 43 GPW == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:42:06 -0700 From: Don Grossman Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Brake Bleeding, bounced again.... Deacon wrote: > > They say they'll be finished with our house in Oct. That's one month > short of a year we've been in this motel. It.s hard to believe how much > a candle can change your life. ;] Soon as we're back in our house I'm > burning a candle. Last thing I need is another phobia to go along with > my fear of people, places and things. :) > > Later! > > Deacon If your house is done it will be a Thanksgiving indeed ! Glad your still around too Deacon, just put the candle in the fireplace this time, or maybe the middle of the pool ;) Oops I forgot my asterisks, this message will surely bounce.... While I'm here does anyone have any Dana 44 1/2 ton drum brake backing plates? I need 4 of them cheap. Laters - -- Don Grossman duckdon pacific.net 99 Contour 63 F-100 4x4 43 GPW == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:01:22 -0500 From: "William S. Hart" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Whistle tranny and new tires? > could be heard. It shifted okay, but just made a weird sound. Still don't know on this one, sorry man. > I'm also looking for tires and i found some that will be for sale this > weekend. They are 275/60/15 BFGs on American Racing 15x10s. I > wanted to know > if these will fit. Depends on the bolt pattern ... if they are for a truck, then likely they will fit ... The truck is still at it's stock height. Do I need to > worry about the backspacing? If so what is it? Hmmm...yes you have to worry about backspacing, but not to the extent that some vehicles do ... as long as its close to the stock backspacing, I wouldn't worry about it too much. The other issue is tire size, it looks like these are just under 28" in diameter (probably 27 if you use a tape measure and actually measure it), so you should be just fine and not have any rubbing problems unless your back spacing is WAAAAYYYY off ... at which point you have other issues ... does anyone know what stock backspacing is ? I know its the same for all the years, but what is it ??? Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 4.6L 73ish F100 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:32:40 -0700 From: "James A. Doty" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Brakes (none) Hi All: Sunday while returning to my new apartment from my old duplex I attempted a stop at an intersection when the light turned red. As I started slowing to a stop I heard a "clunk" and the brake pedal went all the way to the floor and I only stopped by putting the tranmission in park. When the light turned green I pulled forward and up a curve, and again put the transmission in park to stop. After calling a tow truck and having my van towed to my father-in-laws house he (My father-in-law, Delvan) discovered that the left front calipar was destroyed, the inside brake pad was worn through past the rivits, and the inside rotor service was worn nearly clean through. All of the above brake parts had been replaced last year. I suspect the calipar jammed and caused all the damage. But after this long explanation of what happened, here's my questions. The van is a '78 E-150 with 351W PS/PB/AT/AC. I was under the belief that if one brake failed the van should have still had breaks. That is, isn't the braking system supposed to switch from front to rear or rear to front whenever there is a sudden loss of brake pressure? I thought that if I lost the front brakes the rear brakes would be forced to do all the work, instead like I said earlier the brake pedel dropped to the floor when I pressed on it with almost no resistance and no obvious brake pressure at all. Any ideas as to what caused this problem with braking would really be appreciated. Thanks. James A. Doty dotyj earthlink.net == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:58:31 GMT From: "madness madness" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Horsepower Mark Mark MArk. When are you gonna learn if you want power you gotta get a Mustang. They are alot faster that your truck (Expept For Mine 355 gearing) Steve 92 Mustang 5.0 88 Mustang 5.0 86 Mustang 5.0 Nissan Pathfinder *** >From: "Mark Mcknight" >Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com >To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com >Subject: FTE 61-79 - Horsepower >Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 20:22:16 PDT > >What should the horse power be on a stock 460 from a 73 ford f-250 ? I am >thinking of buying the engine as a back up.... I would also like to know >where I kan get some performace parts for my 302 ? >thanx mark.... I also need come engine parts for a 351c ? I think thats >what >it is at least. any input would be great thanx > > >Mark >78' ford f-100 >and soon to be 73 F 250 >mazda b3000 >mazda minivan > >______________________________________________________ > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ______________________________________________________ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:00:57 GMT From: "madness madness" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - SPEAKERS??? Just Drop 2 15" Cranks in there who cares about what it'll look like j/k >From: Bad4dFilly aol.com >Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com >To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com >Subject: FTE 61-79 - SPEAKERS??? >Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:11:08 EDT > >Hey y'all! How hard is it to find 5" speakers for door panels? My dad says >that's the only size that'll fit in my '77. Is this an uncommon size??? > >*~*~Lisa and Envy~*~* >*~*~SIlly boys...trucks are for GIRLS!!~*~* >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ______________________________________________________ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:01:38 PDT From: "Mark Mcknight" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Horsepower well thanx yet again... I like this discussion group. best one yet. I got a set of headers and a GT-40 roller cam for my truck and when it goes back in she's gonna get dynoed. I am also thinkin' of buying a high rise intake and a 4 barrel carb. I will keep you updated on the dyno stuff.... it already as a stocker ran the quarter mile at 90 miles an hour. I will gladly drag race anyone when she's done :O) and it's gonna be a baja runner.. everything but the roll cage.. all you mustang boys look out! ______________________________________________________ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:02:32 -0700 From: "J.S.H." Subject: FTE 61-79 - Edelbrock carb. >Anyone have any experience in this area with the Edelbrock Performer > Series carb's and a 460? If I'm just inviting trouble I'll stick with >the stock carb. Thanks! Go for it.Put one on my Dad's 460 and it ran great right out of the box.Put a Carter{same thing,usualy cheaper)set up for my 428 on the 460 in my 84 and it ran great. I have not had good luck with a lot of aftermarket componets,but Edelbrock/Carter carbs are a exception. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:17:54 CDT From: "Daniel Hansen" Subject: FTE 61-79 - How much Horses for 390?? I was just wondering if anybody would know how much my motor has for horsepower. It is a 390 FE and has stock pistons but has a 4 barrel intake, 600 holley double pumper on it. It is has a stall at 2500, has electric distribitor, high performance spark plugs and wires. Everything on the motor is brand new though. If i forgot anything please ask Thanks Endroman ______________________________________________________ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:18:49 -0400 From: tfreeman murphyfarms.com Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Horsepower I can't remember the last time I saw a Mustang top a sand dune and 85mph, but it wasn't pretty....... ;-) I did it with a shool bus one time though. :-[] Dang long wheel base got me. She bottomed out going over the top. :-) - -Ted "Mark Mcknight" on 08/31/99 04:01:38 PM Please respond to 61-79-list ford-trucks.com To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com cc: (bcc: Ted Freeman/MURPHY_FAMILY_FARMS) Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Horsepower well thanx yet again... I like this discussion group. best one yet. I got a set of headers and a GT-40 roller cam for my truck and when it goes back in she's gonna get dynoed. I am also thinkin' of buying a high rise intake and a 4 barrel carb. I will keep you updated on the dyno stuff.... it already as a stocker ran the quarter mile at 90 miles an hour. I will gladly drag race anyone when she's done :O) and it's gonna be a baja runner.. everything but the roll cage.. all you mustang boys look out! ______________________________________________________ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:27:42 -0500 From: "William S. Hart" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - How much Horses for 390?? > I was just wondering if anybody would know how much my motor has for > horsepower. It is a 390 FE and has stock pistons but has a 4 > barrel intake, > 600 holley double pumper on it. It is has a stall at 2500, has electric > distribitor, high performance spark plugs and wires. Everything on the > motor is brand new though. If i forgot anything please ask > It depends on what year it is, if its one of the last years (72+) its stock rating is a whopping 215 SAE Net (as opposed to the 250 or whatever it would get as Gross hp) ... Is it an aftermarket 4V or the stock intake ? the 600 won't add much unless the intake is aftermarket (600 was stock carb size for the 4V right?) "high performace plugs" don't really do much in my experience, and the wires will help a little, but mostly just make it run cleaner, maybe a few more horses ... figure with a good tune and a decent intake, probably can claim 225, though dunno if you'd ever get there. I really have no experience with a dyno (well dynoed a 6cyl Oliver once), but I can tell you that the claimed power increases are rarely met, unless its a specific weak point in the motor ... the exhaust on the 390's for instance, may not reach all the claims, but it'll still be a heck of a lot more powerful with headers on it ... with a truck you really want to look at the torque anyway, likely you're able to put down some pretty good torque numbers, dunno waht they are, but I'll bet they're pretty nice :) Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 4.6L 73ish F100 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:34:38 -0400 From: James Oxley Subject: FTE 61-79 - Duraspark II for 390?? Ford make this? and if so, any reason 78 truck duraspark II box would not work?. Thanks OX == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:37:20 -0500 From: "William S. Hart" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Duraspark II for 390?? > Ford make this? Yup, 76. and if so, any reason 78 truck duraspark II box would > not work?. Not that I know of ... as logn as you can get everything lined up for wiring ... Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 4.6L 73ish F100 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:40:59 PDT From: "Mark Mcknight" Subject: FTE 61-79 - top the sand dune hehe... if a school bus can do damn I gotta try it!!! gotta get me an old IH d 366 :) ______________________________________________________ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:53:12 -0400 From: James Oxley Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Duraspark II for 390?? William S. Hart wrote: > > > Ford make this? > > Yup, 76. > OK, next question. Any reason a 76, 390 distr won't work in a 69 390 block? Thanks again OX == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:58:01 EDT From: "Gerald Ash" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Horsepower Untill you meet the Ford F100 Lightning......from the showroom 140mph......yep it'll pull the trailer with them ponies in it....haha - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "madness madness" Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Horsepower Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:58:31 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 >From owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com Tue Aug 31 12:07:30 1999 Received: from [192.41.63.203] by hotmail.com (2.1) with ESMTP id MHotMailB99572EB0179D8219798C0293FCB07870; Tue Aug 31 12:07:30 1999 Received: (fordtruc localhost) by ford-trucks.com (8.8.5) id OAA25357; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:59:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f226.hotmail.com [216.32.181.226]) by ford-trucks.com (8.8.5) id OAA25202; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:59:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: ford-trucks.com: Host law2-f226.hotmail.com [216.32.181.226] claimed to be hotmail.com Received: (qmail 5009 invoked by uid 0); 31 Aug 1999 18:58:31 -0000 Message-ID: Received: from 207.61.27.149 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP;Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:58:31 PDT X-Originating-IP: [207.61.27.149] Sender: owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com Precedence: bulk Mark Mark MArk. When are you gonna learn if you want power you gotta get a Mustang. They are alot faster that your truck (Expept For Mine 355 gearing) Steve 92 Mustang 5.0 88 Mustang 5.0 86 Mustang 5.0 Nissan Pathfinder *** >From: "Mark Mcknight" >Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com >To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com >Subject: FTE 61-79 - Horsepower >Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 20:22:16 PDT > >What should the horse power be on a stock 460 from a 73 ford f-250 ? I am >thinking of buying the engine as a back up.... I would also like to know >where I kan get some performace parts for my 302 ? >thanx mark.... I also need come engine parts for a 351c ? I think thats >what >it is at least. any input would be great thanx > > >Mark >78' ford f-100 >and soon to be 73 F 250 >mazda b3000 >mazda minivan > >______________________________________________________ > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ______________________________________________________ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ______________________________________________________ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:15:42 -0500 From: "William S. Hart" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Duraspark II for 390?? > > > Ford make this? > > > > Yup, 76. > > > > OK, next question. Any reason a 76, 390 distr won't work in a 69 390 > block? > None that I know of ... good luck finding the dist though ... might be able to change the internals from your 78 whatever into teh points dist in the FE and use the original housing and everythign that way ... Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 4.6L 73ish F100 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:17:54 -0500 From: "William S. Hart" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Horsepower > Untill you meet the Ford F100 Lightning......from the showroom > 140mph......yep it'll pull the trailer with them ponies in it....haha > Did you guys catch that on TNN ? They got 320 REAR WHEEL horsepower on the dyno there! 1/4 times were in the mid 14's with them drivin it ... man, amazing, all that and it still retained its 5000 lb towing capacity ... now if it could only do that while towing ... ;) Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 4.6L 73ish F100 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:37:14 -0700 From: Brian Koss Subject: FTE 61-79 - 427 Casting Numbers/ 330 HD Thanks for the info. Now does anybody know anything about the 330 HD. In yesterdays digest there was some discussion about the 330 in a 72 F700 and a 65 F500. Why is it not included in any of the FE literature? Jason Wrote: Bob, your FT 330's are cousins to the FE family. Ft's were used in heavy trucks. They had forged steel cranks, small valve heads, and low compression. These motors were built for torque to haul heavy loads. Valve sizes are 1.75" on the intakes and 1.5" for the exhaust. The bore on the 330 is 3.87". Only FT heads will fit your 330 because of valve to cylinder clearance. Jason do you know the stroke of the 330 and where did you find the information. > The casting number on the > block is C5AE-A. I was unable to check the stroke length becuase we did not > have any tools. Does anybody have info on the casting number? .......... I'm looking at a chart which shows 3 different possibilities.... 1) 330HD/3.875 Bore 2) 1965 390/4.05 Bore 3) 1965 427/4.23 Bore top-oiler ..... There is no mention about cross bolt mains == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:26:12 PDT From: "Mark Mcknight" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Horsepower Yeah but I bet they suck that gas down like nothing else... and up here they run around 40 grand.. I would just as soon make a fancy looking old truck :o) > > > Untill you meet the Ford F100 Lightning......from the showroom > > 140mph......yep it'll pull the trailer with them ponies in it....haha > > >Did you guys catch that on TNN ? They got 320 REAR WHEEL horsepower on the >dyno there! 1/4 times were in the mid 14's with them drivin it ... man, >amazing, all that and it still retained its 5000 lb towing capacity ... now >if it could only do that while towing ... ;) > >Just my $.02 >wish > >96 Mustang GT 4.6L >73ish F100 4x4 6.4L >http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ______________________________________________________ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:30:44 -0500 From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - How much Horses for 390?? My '70 390 had 275 hp(gross) 160,000 miles ago. Two barrel carb and manifolds. Completely Stock. Jason Daniel Hansen wrote: > > I was just wondering if anybody would know how much my motor has for > horsepower. It is a 390 FE and has stock pistons but has a 4 barrel intake, > 600 holley double pumper on it. It is has a stall at 2500, has electric > distribitor, high performance spark plugs and wires. Everything on the > motor is brand new though. If i forgot anything please ask > > Thanks > Endroman > > ______________________________________________________ > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:38:34 -0500 From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 427 Casting Numbers/ 330 HD > Jason do you know the stroke of the 330 and where did you find the > information. The stroke on the 330 is 3.50". My info comes from the book "How To Rebuild Big Block Ford Engines" by Steve Christ. It's a must have as it contains more technical info than you'll probably ever need on FE and FT engines. > > ..... There is no mention about cross bolt mains All 427's had cross bolted mains. Jason == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:49:07 -0400 From: "Ted and Sarah Freeman" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 427 Casting Numbers/ 330 HD The 330 is listed in my shop manual for a '68 and is referenced in Steve Christ's book on How to rebuild your Big Block Ford. The 330 isn't really and FE but it's first cousin the FT. Some FE's and FT's share the same block. For example a 105 (stamped in reverse on the block) makes a good foundation for a 390, 410 or even a 428. I don't know how much meat is left in the bores on a 330, but being a work engine, I would assume you could at least go to 4.05" on it. Later, - -Ted >Thanks for the info. Now does anybody know anything about the 330 HD. In >yesterdays digest there was some discussion about the 330 in a 72 F700 and >a 65 F500. Why is it not included in any of the FE literature? > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:03:28 EDT From: JUMPINFORD aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - cross bolted mains I decided to double check this one, and everyone else was right. Coulda swore I saw 390 GT listed as being cross bolted. My bad. Darrell Duggan 74 F-350 "Tweety" == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:09:27 EDT From: JUMPINFORD aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 Carb Change In a message dated 8/31/99 5:50:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time, gpeters3 ....To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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