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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Wiring Diagrams ?
Re: FTE 61-79 - new site
FTE 61-79 - LWB bed floor pan
Re: FTE 61-79 - 64ish Muffler & Exhaust Exit Location
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Differential gears
Re: FTE 61-79 - new site
FTE 61-79 - hot 390
FTE 61-79 - Brake line HELP?
FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 DIGEST LIST Support Search
FTE 61-79 - tires and rims
Re: FTE 61-79 - tires and rims
Re: FTE 61-79 - Power brakes conversion
FTE 61-79 - RE: new site
FTE 61-79 - RE: new site
Re: FTE 61-79 - Brake line HELP?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Power brakes conversion
Re: FTE 61-79 - new site
FTE 61-79 - 78 Super Cab Motor Swap problems
Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 Super Cab Motor Swap problems
FTE 61-79 - cam selection
FTE 61-79 - 300 swirl piston info requested.
FTE 61-79 - 63 Stepside
FTE 61-79 - Whistle tranny and new tires?
Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 Super Cab Motor Swap problems
FTE 61-79 - FTE cab support search
FTE 61-79 - three spped with overdrive problems
Re: FTE 61-79 - new site
FTE 61-79 - Firewall data plates

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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 20:21:48 -0700
From: "Steven Salas"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Wiring Diagrams ?

Does anyone have a dash wiring diagram for a '72 F250 w/ AC?



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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 08:55:35 EDT
From: SevnD2 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - new site

Sorry folks but I am on this persons side . If he is willing to give it a
shot why not encourage him ? The site may become a good one someday and give
people a chance to see this type of site in a different setting !
I am sure there is room for a new outlook on such an interesting and fun
topic . Anyone reading or posting to this site is part of it and can give
there point of view within the rules layed down by Mr. Ken Payne . So maybe
some people want less rules or something . Who knows , this site may become
as great as this one is .
Just because is another reason for a new site ! One or all of us might even
learn something from it . I am always looking for different places on the web
. That is how I found this one .
There is always room for more !
Rollie H. Hunt
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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 07:53:51 -0500
From: "Luis LLano"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - LWB bed floor pan

I have a floor pan for a late '60s Ford F100 long bed. It was ordered
through a Ford dealer many years ago and never used. It is in as new
condition. It's about 8 feet long and has two cross beams welded
underneath. I want to sell it and would like to get some estimates of what
it's worth. Thanks.



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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 09:48:03 EDT
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 64ish Muffler & Exhaust Exit Location

In a message dated 8/28/99 12:47:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
crewcab altavista.net writes:

>
> So my question to anyone with a early 60's longbed, is
> where is the muffler and where is the exhaust exit.
>
Jeff:

I going to send you a scan of the exhaust system (off-list) which shows
the 64 F100/250. The master part catalog does not have a separate diagram
for just a crew-cab. This should give you some ideas.

Stock Man
1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible (HELP!---I need 15 x5 factory rims)
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
1966 F-250 I6 240 2wd LWB Flare Side
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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 06:59:34 -0700
From: MC
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Differential gears

Brett,
Thanks for the help. I did some more checking, and cleaned off the tag
some more, and found a 3.25 on the other corner. This is consistent with
the 3.2-3.3 turns of the drive shaft after 2 turns of the tire, so that
is what I'm calling it. It isn't what I need it to be, but it is closer
than the 3.13 I originally saw on the tag, which turned out to be a code
for the plant it was built at. It's not that big a deal for me, since I
was replacing it anyway, but the guy that wanted to buy it for his
bronco is kind of disappointed.

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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 10:07:29 EDT
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - new site

In a message dated 8/28/99 2:19:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
danger csolutions.net writes:

>
> Yes, web design can consume vast amounts of time, even with the latest
> software (FrontPage 2000).

In fact....a recent warning issued by the center for wholesome habits
indicates that web site maintenance causes tunnel vision.

Stock Man
1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible (HELP!---I need 15 x5 factory rims)
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
1966 F-250 I6 240 2wd LWB Flare Side
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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 07:09:38 PDT
From: "MARTY COLMAN"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - hot 390

I'll find out what the temp of the water really is, and check my grounds.
And then go from there.

I appreciate the suggestions.

Marty

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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 07:46:30 -0700
From: "Christeen Bradley"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Brake line HELP?

I'm heading out to remove the front brake line that goes to the passenger
side of the truck. It's been rubbed to the point that a hole developed.
I'm reluctant to put in a line off another truck that may have the same
problem down the road. Scary feeling relying on your brakes and step on
them coming to a stop light with no brakes at all! My question is, what is
a good way to bend tubing? I've heard of using sand in the tube so it won't
kink or collapse, but I don't have access to a air compressor to blow it
clean. I'm on the digest so if you have a idea, e-mail back to me please.
Thanks so much in advance!

Scott
1966 F-100 shortbox 351C

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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 09:50:47 -0700
From: "Wes and Deirdre Erickson"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 DIGEST LIST Support Search

I am doing a frame-off resto on a 71 F250 4x4 and need a main cab support.
Not a cab mount but the channel that runs the full width of the cab. Where
can I get one?

WES 71 F250 4x4
86 F150 4x4

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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 10:27:39 -0500
From: JOHN E DOLSON
Subject: FTE 61-79 - tires and rims

Will the LT235-75R15's that are on my truck now fit onto the set of
15"X8" rims I bought?

John Dolson
1976 F150 Ranger XLT

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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 10:33:36 -0500
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - tires and rims

Yes, they should fit without any problems.

Stu
Nuke GM!
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At 10:27 AM 8/28/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Will the LT235-75R15's that are on my truck now fit onto the set of
>15"X8" rims I bought?
>
>John Dolson
>1976 F150 Ranger XLT
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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 08:31:40 -0700
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Power brakes conversion

Phil / Debi wrote:

> I am going to do a power disc brake conversion on my 70 F100 soon. I have a
> 69 F250 parts truck with power discs. I have read before that it won't work,
> I was wondering why? I was hoping I could bolt F100 rotors and calipers on
> the spindles or is that where the problem is? Also was wondering if they
> wont work, I was going to use the booster for power drum brakes. Will that
> booster work with my current master cylinder?
>
> Phil Beattie
> 66 F100 390 C6
> 70 F100 flairside 390 C6
> 79 F250 4x4 400 C6
> www.geocities.com/motorcity/shop/2446

Read the how to here on the FTE site in the tech section.

Are you looking to go to 8 lug on your F-100?

Laters
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Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net
99 Contour
63 F-100 4x4
43 GPW


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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 11:44:37 -0400
From: "Jeremy Jackson"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: new site

Because I can....
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Factory/2485


>Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 21:35:27 -0500
>From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick"
>Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - new site

>Why?



>Jason




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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 11:48:41 -0400
From: "Jeremy Jackson"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: new site

My site is pretty well done...Useing Dreamweaver 2 took me 5 hours to
compleate....
The Taco Man

>Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 00:13:28 -0700
>From: "Danger"
>Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - new site

>> Unless you want to become a slave to your computer,
>> I wouldn't recommend it.
>>
>> Ken Payne
>> Admin
..........

> Yes, web design can consume vast amounts of time, even with the latest
>software (FrontPage 2000).

>Danger
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.csolutions.net/myth/
>(under construction)


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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 09:50:11 -0700
From: "Danger"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Brake line HELP?

My question is, what is
> a good way to bend tubing? I've heard of using sand in the tube so it
won't
> kink or collapse, but I don't have access to a air compressor to blow it
> clean. I'm on the digest so if you have a idea, e-mail back to me please.
> Thanks so much in advance!
>
> Scott
...............

I thin wall tubing bender should be available at you local tool supply
store for under $20. I've used one to replace the brake line on my 69 F250
when I converted it to power disc and it works great, no need for any sand
either.

Danger


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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:28:49 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Power brakes conversion

At 12:03 AM 8/28/99 -0400, you wrote:
>I am going to do a power disc brake conversion on my 70 F100 soon. I have a
>69 F250 parts truck with power discs. I have read before that it won't work,
>I was wondering why? I was hoping I could bolt F100 rotors and calipers on
>the spindles or is that where the problem is? Also was wondering if they
>wont work, I was going to use the booster for power drum brakes. Will that
>booster work with my current master cylinder?

The F250 parts aren't compatible. You'll need to obtain the
spindles from a 73-79 F100/F150 (not a 4x4 either).

Ken

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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:41:14 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - new site

At 08:55 AM 8/28/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Sorry folks but I am on this persons side . If he is willing to give it a
>shot why not encourage him ? The site may become a good one someday and give
>people a chance to see this type of site in a different setting !
>I am sure there is room for a new outlook on such an interesting and fun
>topic . Anyone reading or posting to this site is part of it and can give
>there point of view within the rules layed down by Mr. Ken Payne . So maybe
>some people want less rules or something . Who knows , this site may become
>as great as this one is .

The only major rules here are to keep the language acceptable
to all audiences and not flame anyone too badly. I wish him
success if he wants to do it, but I'm not kidding about being
a slave to your computer. I spend 3-4 hours a night maintaining
the site, and have done so for 2 years straight, prior to
that it was 2 hours a night for the first year. On vacation
I have to bring the laptop with me or things pile up so badly
that I speed about 10 hours a day on the weekend catching up.

Also, it starts to get VERY expensive. Even with the web
store and advertisers, we lose money. Successful sites can't
be hosted with $19/month accounts. Don't believe what you
see about "unlimited hits". Start pushing 45 gigabytes a
month in web traffic and another 5 gigabytes in email and
a $19/month host will give you the pink slip (actually they'll
probably do it at 1-2 gigabytes/month). Space becomes a
concern too. Since the new BBS replaced the old one in June,
over 60 megabytes of content has been posted there!

Ken



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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 07:03:45 -0700
From: grahams thefuture.net (Smith, Graham)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 78 Super Cab Motor Swap problems

Howdy,

I am in the process of swapping the old tired 400M out for a new fresh one.
However I have a few snags. The one that is very apparent is the fact that
after I removed the old motor and took off the oil pan to start the long
task of cleaning(Man, I wish I had a solvent tank!!!) I noticed that the old
motor had a very special bolt on one of the main bearing caps that is
threaded so you can attach the oil pick tube support to it. The new motor
that I have does not have one of these neat little bolts!!
To me this raises a couple issues: 1st) Wouldn't you expect that a
long-block motor would have the correct bolts installed so that you don't
have to remove main bearing caps to install the motor. That point is
secondary, I really need to get this motor back together soon.(Wife would
like the garage back;-). To replace the main bearing cap bolt should I just
pull that single bolt out and change it real quick like or should I remove
the whole cap and re-torque just that bearing cap or all of the bearing
caps?
Another quick question is how strong is the oil pick up tube? Mine does
not seem to budge from the old oil pump and I wondering how much force I can
use to remove it. I have already discovered too much force once already.
Snapped an exhaust manifold bolt clean in two.

Graham
1978 F150 Supercab 4x4 (Currently with no motor)

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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 13:10:38 EDT
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 Super Cab Motor Swap problems

> The new motor
> that I have does not have one of these neat little bolts!!
> To me this raises a couple issues: 1st) Wouldn't you expect that a
> long-block motor would have the correct bolts installed so that you don't
> have to remove main bearing caps to install the motor.

Yes I would, but the most common problem with assembly line re-manufacturing
is that quality is job 2.


> To replace the main bearing cap bolt should I just
> pull that single bolt out and change it real quick like or should I remove
> the whole cap and re-torque just that bearing cap or all of the bearing
> caps?


Loosen each bolt on the affected cap consistently then replace the one bolt
with the correct bolt and re-tighten that cap to specs.


> Another quick question is how strong is the oil pick up tube? Mine
does
> not seem to budge from the old oil pump and I wondering how much force I
can
> use to remove it.

Probably just the gasket holding it. Use a rubber mallet or gentlt blows
from your palm to strike it and that should shock it loose.

Hope this helps.


Stock Man
1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible (HELP!---I need 15 x5 factory rims)
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
1966 F-250 I6 240 2wd LWB Flare Side
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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:24:11 -0500
From: "ben"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - cam selection

>Based on your criteria of off idle performance, the
>first would be better. Your other criteria of 5K RPM
>would be better met with the second, but with 2 barrel
>heads you won't get that anyway.

I understand now, so I can't build this to do both. It's either off-idle to
somewhere around 3500-4000, or other 1500- 2k up to 5k. Thanks everybody!!


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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:40:54 -0500
From: "Brett L. Habben"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 300 swirl piston info requested.

Darrell,
I've just torn down my '79 300 and have got one torched piston and some
cylinder wear. Sooo looks like I'll heading down the rebore path
($$$!)
Could you get some info on those pistons so I can start ordering parts?
I think I'm gonna get a kit out of Northern Auto Parts since they are
$100 cheaper than kits priced here in Austin.
If you can't find the part numbers any info like application, vendor, a
physical description of the piston head, anything is better than nothing.
Thanks,
Brett
Super75cab
> Weve bored it .030, milled the head .030, got these killer pistons that
have a lil swirl in
>the top to help mix the fuel and air,
>Darrell Duggan


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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 16:10:01 -0400
From: "Bruce Alan Kling"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 63 Stepside

I just purchased a 1963 Stepside "Custom Cab." The VIN is listed as
31500082. I have no access to any books, and I would like to know anything
anyone can tell me about the history of this truck, i.e., where it was made,
the original engine (it has a 351W that is clearly not a factory engine),
how many were made, approximate value, and so forth. I would also like to
hear from anyone who has already restored one of these in the 61-67 year
range. Thanks for the help.

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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 15:12:07 CDT
From: "Bill Richardson"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Whistle tranny and new tires?

Alright here's the deal on the tranny. I installed a B&M shift improvement
kit. However one of the holes in the new seperator plate was drilled to 3/16
when it should have been drilled to 1/8. I went ahead and finished the
installation and drove easily around the block as instructed to warm up the
fluid. Then I stepped on it a little harder. It shifted fine, but at a
higher speed a slight whistle sound can be heard. It's been parked in the
garage ever since two weeks ago because I'm at college now. Please let me
know if the hole diameter will make a difference.
Also I found new tires and rims that will go on sale next weekend. They are
275/60/15 BFGs and American Racing 15x10s. I would like to know if these
will fit a 1979 F-100 2wd short wheel base. The truck is still at stock ride
height. Nothing has been done to it. Is backspacing a major factor? If how
much backspacing is needed? Any other advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks

Bill Richardson
1979 F-100 Ranger

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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 16:49:26 -0800
From: "Erik Marquez"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 Super Cab Motor Swap problems

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From: Smith, Graham
To: 61-79-list-digest fordtrucks.com
Date: Saturday, August 28, 1999 9:05 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 78 Super Cab Motor Swap problems


>Howdy,
>
>I am in the process of swapping the old tired 400M out for a new fresh one.
>However I have a few snags. The one that is very apparent is the fact that
>after I removed the old motor and took off the oil pan to start the long
>task of cleaning(Man, I wish I had a solvent tank!!!) I noticed that the
old
>motor had a very special bolt on one of the main bearing caps that is
>threaded so you can attach the oil pick tube support to it. The new motor
>that I have does not have one of these neat little bolts!!
> To me this raises a couple issues: 1st) Wouldn't you expect that a
>long-block motor would have the correct bolts installed so that you don't
>have to remove main bearing caps to install the motor.

Umm not really, the rebuilder had know way of knowing what vehicle your
engine would be going into. Different apps, different placement of the oil
pump pickup. Just swap the old stud. and as has already been suggested,
loosen both bolts in small intervals, replace the one with the stud, and re
torque. If it were me I would check all the cap bolts and re torque them,
but this only applies if you have a good torque wrench, other wise you could
do more harm than good.

> Another quick question is how strong is the oil pick up tube? Mine
does
>not seem to budge from the old oil pump and I wondering how much force I
can
>use to remove it.

Try placeing the pump in a vice using some padding, blocking or soft metal
jaw pads, then just grab a hold of the pick up and undo it.
This methiod has always worked for me on the screw in type pick up.

Erik Marquez
bronco78 mosquitonet.com
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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 21:16:50 -0700
From: "Wes and Deirdre Erickson"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FTE cab support search

I am doing a frame off resto on a super nice 1971 F250 4x4 anybody know
where I can get the a cab
support channel not cab mounts but the channel that runs left to right under
the full width of the cab?
Its spot welded in . Also does anyone know a good vendor to get a set of cab
mounts I need just
the rubber pucs. thanks

Wes 1971 F250 4x4 360 2v
1986 F150 300six


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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 23:17:08 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - three spped with overdrive problems

i have a relative that has a 1971 ford swb with a three speed and a cable
mounted on the dash for overdrive, he's needing repairs on this overdrive
unit ,but can't find anyone that knows anything about it. has anyone on the
list ever heard of this and have any ideas on parts etc. its supposed to be
a factory ford unit, i haven't seen it.
thanks,
jeff grant
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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 07:49:02 EDT
From: OldTrux aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - new site

In a message dated 8/27/99 9:22:19 PM Central Daylight Time,
taco21 mediaone.net writes:

> I am thinking of starting a new web site devoted to ford trucks....Its Free.
> I have never posted here though i've been subscribing for about 3 years.
> The site will have message boards, picture gallery (you can post your own
> pictures) and links to other ford truck links....
> if your interested let me know....
> taco21 ....

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