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61-79-list-digest Friday, August 27 1999 Volume 03 : Number 305



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - RE: ailr craft sealer
RE: FTE 61-79 - Majordomo and robots :-)
RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: NOS Stuff
RE: FTE 61-79 - Majordomo and robots :-)
RE: FTE 61-79 - 69 Bronco brake system upgrade
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: NOS Stuff
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: NOS Stuff
RE: FTE 61-79 - Piston Slap and valve train slop
RE: FTE 61-79 - problems, problems
RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: NOS Stuff
RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: NOS Stuff
RE: FTE 61-79 - problems, problems
RE: FTE 61-79 - HorsePower
RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Brake Bleeding (pressure bleeder)
Re: FTE 61-79 - Majordomo and robots :-)
FTE 61-79 - Re: Pi
RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Pi
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: K-line
FTE 61-79 - Re: K-line
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Official FTE press release
RE: FTE 61-79 - cams
FTE 61-79 - Pi alamode/Platinum plugs
RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: NOS Stuff
FTE 61-79 - 390 timing problems
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: 2001 Supercrew specifications
RE: FTE 61-79 - 390 timing problems
RE: FTE 61-79 - cams
FTE 61-79 - Math
FTE 61-79 - C6
FTE 61-79 - C6
RE: FTE 61-79 - 390 timing problems
RE: FTE 61-79 - cams
RE: FTE 61-79 - C6
FTE 61-79 - Rear disc for 9"
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: NOS Stuff
RE: FTE 61-79 - Rear disc for 9"
FTE 61-79 - 69 Bronco brake system upgrade
Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear disc for 9"
RE: FTE 61-79 - Rear disc for 9"
RE: FTE 61-79 - Rear disc for 9"
FTE 61-79 - cam selection
FTE 61-79 - hot 390
RE: FTE 61-79 - hot 390
RE: FTE 61-79 - Rear disc for 9"
FTE 61-79 - Holley problem
Re: FTE 61-79 - Gear work
Re: FTE 61-79 - hot 390
FTE 61-79 - Re: Brake Bleeding (pressure bleeder)

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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 06:13:41 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: ailr craft sealer

If you mean permatex brown aircraft sealer, all auto parts stores carry it.
I use it primarily on paper gaskets such as thermostat housing and front
timing cover etc.. I also use it around all press in seals. This material
is not fussy about oil on the surface or water either but I still clean
things well before applying it. This is actually one of it's advantages but
it is a "Thin" sealer and requires a fairly tight fit up for best results.
It won't fill gaps like silicone will. It also hardens so is difficult to
get off later, requires a scraper.

As someone suggested, the felpro yellow gasket cement is excellent for cork
gaskets such as pan and valve covers and probably those pesky FE intake
ends.

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>
> I hadn't heard about this sealer before. Sounds like it could
> have a number
> of uses. Would you tell me where I can get it? thanx Guy
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 06:28:40 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Majordomo and robots :-)

Holy asterisk batman......:-) We can't say infor**tion now? My wife is in
a corporate sponsored chat room with a "robot" that looks for inappropriate
words and kicks them out for saying such things as "suck" even if it's in a
proper context. They sit there and giggle all day at what it's going to
pick next to kick them out for :-)

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> inf* :-)
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 06:41:52 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: NOS Stuff

Ok, you guys got me on this one.....I don't own a mustang so NOS is one of
those things I just let slide over my back and not worry too much about what
it actually means.......well? I don't know what it means?

Not On Sale?
Never On Sunday?
Not One Single.....?

I know I'm going to feel foolish when you tell me :-)

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> >Anyway you might stop and think about what else NOS stands
> for ... (Nitrous
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 06:43:09 EDT
From: "Gerald Ash"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Majordomo and robots :-)

Yea, WHAT"S THE DEAL????????????


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Holy asterisk batman......:-) We can't say infor**tion now? My wife is in
a corporate sponsored chat room with a "robot" that looks for inappropriate
words and kicks them out for saying such things as "suck" even if it's in a
proper context. They sit there and giggle all day at what it's going to
pick next to kick them out for :-)

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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 06:50:35 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 69 Bronco brake system upgrade

Whatever you get, make sure it works with your linkage and preferably one
that sits level on the fire wall for easier bleeding later. I don't think
size matters but I don't personally like the newer ones with the left right
cross over and built in proportioning valves, they are very expensive to
replace and repair.

If space is a problem then obviously size and shape will matter so you may
be stuck with what fits and learn to deal with it's quirks.

You can gain a small improvement in braking by replacing the rear wheel
cylinders with F-350 cylinders which in the 78 is a simple bolt in which
gives you 1/8" more bore diameter with no noticeable pedal penalties.

You guys with mushy brakes who have bled them till you drop should look at
the proportioning valve as already mentioned. I worked on mine for a year,
replacing, bleeding, honing, sealing to no avail until I dropped $113 for a
new proportioning valve. I now have brakes but still not what I want
so...:-)

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> I've been contemplating an upgrade from manual to power
> brakes on my 69
> Bronco. This past weekend I went to the bone yard and was
> poking my nose
> under every Ford hood I could find in the place. I came
> across a mid 80's
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 06:52:48 EDT
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: NOS Stuff

In a message dated 8/27/99 6:45:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
gpeters3 visteon.com writes:

> Not On Sale?
> Never On Sunday?
> Not One Single.....?

All translations you list might be appropriate on any given day....but
generally considered New Old Stock.

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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 06:49:35 -0400
From: "Gerald Ash"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: NOS Stuff

And you think we beleive all that. Was born night but not last night.
Yep, the checks in the mail, and NOS means> Not On Sale?
> Never On Sunday?> Not One Single.....?
Think you think we have GONE FISHING>>>>>

Smile and we all smile with you,
GA
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To:
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Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: NOS Stuff


> Ok, you guys got me on this one.....I don't own a mustang so NOS is one of
> those things I just let slide over my back and not worry too much about
what
> it actually means.......well? I don't know what it means?
>
>
> I know I'm going to feel foolish when you tell me :-)
>
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> 78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> > >Anyway you might stop and think about what else NOS stands
> > for ... (Nitrous
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 07:36:11 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Piston Slap and valve train slop

Did you use forged pistons? Cast pistons, properly fitted to the cylinders
should not slap, nor should the hyperutectic ones but forged pistions, fit
to the loosest spec for them will slap when cold almost without fail. If
the machinist made a mistake or did not actually fit each piston to each
bore and keep them associated during assy this could be the problem.
Unfortunately the only way to get to the bottom of that is to disasssemble
the engine and measure everything :-(

If the heads were done correctly the valve stems were ground to maintain the
same height so shimming should not be necessary. Unfortunately not all
machine shops bother with that little detail.

Hydrolic lifters work by developing a hydro lock withing the cylinder and
once that is achieved it is as solid as steel so spring pressure should not
be a factor but just as spark plugs vary, lifters vary quite a bit and you
may have to replace some of them. If the lifter bores are worn the oil will
leak past and the pressure will never get built up within the lifters either
and on older engine blocks this could be a factor. Do they make oversize
lifters? Never heard of this but who knows?

With .533 lift on a reworked head with perhaps valves that are sunken more
than stock you could be running into valve spring coil bind which will
eventually bend push rods and pop keepers. Stronger springs means thicker
wire which means they bind sooner. The proper way to strengthen spring
rates is to use two or even 3 springs in a set to prevent this.

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> fitted for dual exhaust. Immediately after that I noticed a
> little bit of
> a piston slap when the engine is cold (first start of the
> day).

> lifters. Could I
> have gotten a bad set of lifters? The cam is a Crane
> (#343901) and has a
> .533 lift.
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 07:48:01 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - problems, problems

Did you also check the vac mechanism to make sure the vac advance was free
to work and that it actually is working? Did you also check for vacuum
leaks around the carb and manifold or the lines themselves? Are you losing
brake fluid or ATF? (these can be sucked into the engine due to vacuum
interfaces)

This is a used engine right? In that case the engine could be damaged, bad
valves, rings etc....No amount of tuning will fix that :-(

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> problem. Now that I have done all of this, the engine runs beautiful
> under no load conditions, but as soon as you drop it into
> gear it runs a
> little rougher (it
> has a C6 tranny) and then it runs rough as you accelerate.
> Sometimes it
> accelerates alright, then when you stop and start again, it misses a
> little more.
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:03:15 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: NOS Stuff

I hate to say this but I do not feel foolish....I wouldn't have guessed that
one in an million years.....now....exactly what does "New Old Stock" mean?
You talking about Green Sales down in Ohio ? :-) Or should that be Old, New
Stock :-) or maybe unused, old stock or rusty but unused new stock....:-)

Based on my understanding of this I once bought a NOS camshaft that had been
on the back shelf in an autoparts store for several years. New, unused but
rusty. Got a good price, sanded off the rust, put it in and it's still
running in my 460 after at least 70k miles (been in two trucks so lost
count)

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: TBeeee aol.com [mailto:TBeeee aol.com]
> Sent: 08/27/1999 6:53 AM
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: NOS Stuff
>
>
> In a message dated 8/27/99 6:45:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> gpeters3 visteon.com writes:
>
> > Not On Sale?
> > Never On Sunday?
> > Not One Single.....?
>
> All translations you list might be appropriate on any given
> day....but
> generally considered New Old Stock.
>
> Stock Man
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:03:48 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: NOS Stuff

> one in an million years.....now....exactly what does "New Old
> Stock" mean?

New old Stock means it is new, but has been sitting on a shelf in a
warehouse since then ... the instance you mentioned belwo is an example of
New Old Stock.

Old new stock always made more sense to me too ... ;)

> Based on my understanding of this I once bought a NOS camshaft
> that had been
> on the back shelf in an autoparts store for several years. New,
> unused but
> rusty. Got a good price, sanded off the rust, put it in and it's still
> running in my 460 after at least 70k miles (been in two trucks so lost
> count)
>

Sounds like you lucked out.

The other thing NOS stands for is Nitrous Oxide Systems. Its actually a
brand name for the company that originally (??) developed the Nitrous
systems. Now its kind of like Kleenex in that everyone calls it NOS even if
they didn't make the components, but they are still a brand name.

Probably more than I know about it already so I'll stop there ;)

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: TBeeee aol.com [mailto:TBeeee aol.com]
> > Sent: 08/27/1999 6:53 AM
> > To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> > Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: NOS Stuff
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 8/27/99 6:45:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > gpeters3 visteon.com writes:
> >
> > > Not On Sale?
> > > Never On Sunday?
> > > Not One Single.....?
> >
> > All translations you list might be appropriate on any given
> > day....but
> > generally considered New Old Stock.
> >
> > Stock Man
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:07:58 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - problems, problems

> Now that I have done all of this, the engine runs beautiful
> under no load conditions, but as soon as you drop it into gear it runs a
> little rougher (it
> has a C6 tranny) and then it runs rough as you accelerate. Sometimes it
> accelerates alright, then when you stop and start again, it misses a
> little more. I checked the timing
> today and it was right on the money, 10 BTDC.


Be sure you check the timing with the advance disconnected from the
distributor, and the hole plugged. Also you might want to check your
distributor and see how much slop you have in it, mine's doing this a little
bit, but I think its a function of the dist. being worn out since the
motor's rebuilt.

Also where do you have your idle set ? If you have a vacuum leak and you
set the idle high to compensate, then when you drop it in gear it will cause
the vacuum leak to show up again.


If you have a vacuum gauge, I'd recommend tuning with that plugged in so you
can see how much you are pulling ... I have a web page with some basic
instructions on it if you're intersted...

> BTW... My name's Mike Platt, 16, from Pennsylvania.... just figured
> I'd better formally introduce myself to ya'll before I close down the
> system here and head to bed....its been a long, puzzling day!
>

hey welcome to the list, hopefully you will find it as informative as I have
..

Just my $.02
wish

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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:09:29 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - HorsePower

> I have a stocker 302 that when it was dynoed b4 I started to
> rebuild it ot
> read 262hp.... that don't seem to be right to me can someone
> help me... its
> in a 78 F-100 2wd ?
>


Uhm, are you sure you were reading the hp and not the torque ? Also how
many revs was that produced at ? That is quite a bit of power, but not
unheard of from a 302 ... stock its not likely to happen though either ...
also be sure that's the corrected hp, where they factor in the air
temperature and all that jazz ...

Just my $.02
wish

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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:14:46 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Brake Bleeding (pressure bleeder)

> Or use DOT5 brake fluid in a CLEAN syatem to preserve paintwork..
>
I don't think it matters how clean the fluid is, that stuff eats paint on
contact. We had a stainless system in a mini-formula car ... believe me, it
ate paint when that stuff was spilled (even the fresh stuff)

Just my $.02
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:46:00 -0400
From: kpayne ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Majordomo and robots :-)

No, that's not the problem. Majordomo has a list of commands
that users can send to it. If it sees certain words ONLY in the
first 10 lines, it assumes they are a command and boots the
message. Other words, it will assume they are a command only
if they are in the first 10 lines AND its the first word on a
line. Info is one of those first line words. Occasionally
such a word just happens to fall on the first word, as your
posting did.

Ken



"Peters, Gary (G.R.)" wrote:
>
> Holy asterisk batman......:-) We can't say infor**tion now? My wife is in
> a corporate sponsored chat room with a "robot" that looks for inappropriate
> words and kicks them out for saying such things as "suck" even if it's in a
> proper context. They sit there and giggle all day at what it's going to
> pick next to kick them out for :-)
>
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> 78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 06:50:10 -0700
From: "Scott Jensen"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Pi

Isn't any value of Pi an approximation? When I wash my truck and I'm
figuring the length of the hose coiled on the side of the house, I use 3.
It works pretty well. We put a man into orbit and brought him back with 4
decimal places. I heard someone did find the value of Pi a few years ago
and it's probably a precise number; however, does it have an automotive
application? Spreadsheets are great, but I wonder how many decent engines
were rebuilt using a tape measure, because calipers and a mic were too
expensive. Before you get in your truck, make a 360 deg. turn. You'll still
get where you're going...:) Just my 0.0200000 cents.

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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:59:53 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Pi

> Isn't any value of Pi an approximation?

As far as we know ...


> When I wash my truck and I'm
> figuring the length of the hose coiled on the side of the house, I use 3.


You're not from PA are you ? Seems like I heard one of your representatives
or whatever tried to get the state to pass a law saying the value of Pi was
3 ... dunno if thats an urban legend or not, but it makes a good story ...

Just my $.02
wish

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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:02:50 -0400
From: David Henderson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: K-line

Brett L. Habben writes:
>I've been calling around and the rates for a 300 head
>hover around starting at $85 for the basic valve grind plus $40 for the
>surfacing. Exhaust seats, guides, valves, springs etc. all add up from there.
>Is that about average?

Brett:

That would be a little high here in Southwestern Virginia. I think I paid
about $75 for all of my head work (on the engine, not my head....includes
complete assembly, grinding, cleaning, and surfacing. No porting), but I
would need to check my receipts to be sure.

Tony, Brett, Josh, Tony K, and others with 300/240s:

I have found the mother-lode. A speed shop here outside of Christiansburg has
several good complete 300 I6s (assembled and disassembled). It seems that they
have many clients that would rather switch to 302s. As a bonus, they are really
willing to part (more like get rid of) with them. For instance, a good
flywheel with complete, unmolested ring-gear goes for $15-20. Let me know if
any of you need any parts and I'll check to see how much they'll take to part
with it.

Dave H

PS Tony M: I'm finally going to get off my butt and take some pictures of
Brownie and the engine. I'm also going to take some pictures for that web page
and send it to you probably Monday afternoon.

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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 07:37:36 -0700
From: "Steven Salas"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: K-line

Brett, The prices that were quoted to you aren't out of line. The shop
that gave you the sales pitch about their new hi-tech k-line machine were
probably just trying to get your business so that they can pay for that new
piece of equipment. However if their prices were comparable to other shops
in the area I may be inclined to use them as they may be able to get your
work back to you faster (due to the fact that most of these machines do the
work faster and more accurately than older methods). Ask them about their
turnaround time. I work on a $90K piece of Sunnen eqpt. and my turn around
is from 2-4 days max. Usually its the parts(new valves,springs...) that I
have to wait for. Best Regards, Steve



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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:52:22 -0400
From: kpayne ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Official FTE press release

FTE has expressed its opinion on the recent legal action of
Ford Motor Company against BlueOvalNews.com on its web site.
The release can be found at:

http://www.ford-trucks.com/response.html

We've also sent this release to major news agencies.

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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 07:59:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: rich may
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - cams

The guys at the local FOMOCO dealership tried to jet the carb out and
they said that it had a hi-po cam in it and they couldn't jet it out
because it wouldn't run right. I am getting an average of 4-6mpg and I
wanted to know if I could put a 2 barrel on it.

- --- "William S. Hart" wrote:
> > Is there any way to tell what cam that I have in
> my engine without
> > having to tear it apart? It is a 1968 390GT.
> >
>
> You could always guess ....
>
> What are you trying to find ? The 390 GT's had
> their own cam from the
> factory, are you trying to prove it is or isn't this
> one, or do you suspect
> its been replaced with something else along the way
> ?
>
> Just curious as to what the ends of this exercise
> are ...
>
>
> Just my $.02
> wish
>
> 96 Mustang GT 4.6L
> 73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:09:56 -0500
From: "Don Yerhot"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Pi alamode/Platinum plugs

Welcome back again Gary,(I had to say that) it's nice to have your knowledge
and wisdom!
Okay, as we haven't beat this dead horse long enough, but here's another
way to get pi with a plain, ole cheapo calculator, using these number's:
113355, or the first 3 odd numbers. Just divide 355 by 113, you get
3.141592, accurate to six decimal points.
As far as platinum plugs, I've been hearing horror stories lately about
people who have left them in for 100K or so, because they don't tend to wear
out like regular plugs. When they've tryed to remove them, rude surprise,
plugs are bonded to the nice aluminum heads. Like an old distibutor on a FE,
as some of you guys out there can relate to {8-( So much for maintenance
free cars!

DonY
65F250-351W
74F100-351W
(Somewhere in Minnesota)

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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:18:51 -0700
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: NOS Stuff

New Old Stock. Referrs to supposedly original factory produced parts that
have been hiding in a warehouse for the last 30 years or so. Not
reproductions.

Tom H.

> ----------
> From: Peters, Gary (G.R.)[SMTP:gpeters3 visteon.com]
> Reply To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
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> To: '61-79-list ford-trucks.com'
> Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: NOS Stuff
>
> Ok, you guys got me on this one.....I don't own a mustang so NOS is one of
> those things I just let slide over my back and not worry too much about
> what
> it actually means.......well? I don't know what it means?
>
> Not On Sale?
> Never On Sunday?
> Not One Single.....?
>
> I know I'm going to feel foolish when you tell me :-)
>
> --
> Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
> 78 Bronco Loving, Gary
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167
> --
>
> > >Anyway you might stop and think about what else NOS stands
> > for ... (Nitrous
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 07:53:49 -0800
From: "Matthew Schumacher"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 390 timing problems

All,

I have a late (76) 390 in my F-150 that was rebuilt about 4000 miles ago
(stock cam, new carb). For some reason, when I set the timing to 6
degrees the truck runs like crap, but runs fine at about 12 degrees.

According to all of the 390 docs I can find, 6 degrees is the correct
timing, however the original sticker on the valve cover was gone when I
bought the thing.

So here is the questions....

1. Is it possible that the engine is a odd ball 390 and needs 12
degrees.

2. Is there something else that could be wrong that could make the
engine want to run at 12 degrees? (Even at 12 degrees it still doesn't
have the poop a 390 should.)

thanks for any help
schu
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:59:41 -0400
From: kpayne ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: 2001 Supercrew specifications

Preliminary specifications for the 2001 F150 Supercrew have
been added to the news section of the web site.

Ken Payne
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:11:07 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 390 timing problems

> I have a late (76) 390 in my F-150 that was rebuilt about 4000 miles ago
> (stock cam, new carb). For some reason, when I set the timing to 6
> degrees the truck runs like crap, but runs fine at about 12 degrees.
>
> According to all of the 390 docs I can find, 6 degrees is the correct


I've got a similar 390 in my truck, a few more miles (about 5000 probably)
and a heavy cam. What I've found, and gleaned off of the list is that the
stock settings are very conservative for emissions reasons. Likely your
truck will run better with more advance dialed into it, but it shouldn't be
so much that things are really bad. Be sure and check the timing with the
vacuum advance disconnected from the dist. and plugged so that it doesn't
create a vacuum leak.

I usually ran mine around 8 or 10, but never really dialed it in very close.

Also be sure and check the dist to be sure its not worn out too.

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:14:19 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - cams

> The guys at the local FOMOCO dealership tried to jet the carb out and
> they said that it had a hi-po cam in it and they couldn't jet it out
> because it wouldn't run right. I am getting an average of 4-6mpg and I
> wanted to know if I could put a 2 barrel on it.
>

You can always put a 2V on it ... but it won't have near the top end that it
did. Likely they were just experiencing a stock cam on an older motor ...
that's odd that they would say they couldn't "jet it out" though. I guess
I don't really understand what they were trying to do either ... are you
just trying to get the carb tune better for more mileage ??? A GT motor
isn't really designed for mileage or anything either ... driving habits,
tires and gears, all that stuff can affect how much you get, thought 4-6
does sound quite low, I would try just adjusting the mixture and trying to
keep my foot out of it ... also be sure and set the timing and all that so
you know your motor is doing the best it can. If your motor is built to GT
specs, likely its a very high compression engine and will benefit from
premium gas too.

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 12:47:28 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Math

John LaG. writes>>Danger, I would say you are right on the money. I got the
value from a
spreadsheet function and have no idea how it treated the last digit. It
probably rounded whereas you were required to memorize the first ten places.
Somewhere at home is a book that has pi to several hundred places. CRC
Mathematical Tables, if you are interested.

I opened up my "Webster New World dictionary" and it was right there to 8
places. Never tried to remember it past 3 places.
3.14159265+

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 12:54:22 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - C6

Lee Craner writes: >> are all C6's and torque convertors interchangeable? The
C6 is
listed as a 1978, but at this point I don't know if it was originally in a
truck or car.

This ain't Gospel, but I'm fairly certain the answer is yes. Some had different
gear sets for 1st, but the torque converters all the same(factory) I think.
There may have been a different length for some trucks, but mine are the same
length as my C6 from a '69 428 SCJ Mustang. 4X4 uses a different rear
extension/adaptor and different output shaft to the Xfer case, but 2X4 should be
the same I think.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 12:56:59 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - C6

Lee Craner Forget that previous post --- Different engines use different
torque converters and have different bolt patterns.

I really got out of shape with this one.

Sorry about that.

Azie
Ardmore, A.


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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 12:59:52 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 390 timing problems

Yes! If the vac is not working you will wind up with a compromise initial
timing to make it run at most speeds but it still won't quite run as well as
it should and the first sign of this besides not running very well is spark
knock and lower economy (usually). You can add octane boosters or run it on
premium but the economy will still suffer due to poor timing under cruise
and idle conditions. Race cars don't need vacs because they typically run
WOT so it would never enter the loop anyway but street engines absolutely
must have a working vac and properly calibrated for the application to get
maximum economy and responsiveness from them.

If it has a non stock cam in it the timing will be dictated by this. If
there are vacuum leaks, burned valves, exhaust leaks, faulty PCV, Faulty EGR
among other things the timing can be adjusted to compensate somewhat but it
still won't run quite right etc,etc,etc :-)

- --
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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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- --

> 2. Is there something else that could be wrong that could make the
> engine want to run at 12 degrees? (Even at 12 degrees it
> still doesn't
> have the poop a 390 should.)
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:12:35 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - cams

A two barrel won't do any good for you, the current carb needs to be tuned
to match the needs of the engine. Most Ford OEM carbs cannot be tuned which
is one reason Holley has become the world leader in Intake systems in
performance circles. Their carbs may be garbage on the road but they still
seem to have what it takes on the track because you can tune every aspect of
the operating range.

You don't give any details about the condition of the engine or why the carb
suddenly needs rejetting. How many miles, what kind of miles, what mods
have been made, what carb is it etc...

BTW, most dealerships only have FoMoCo stock specs available and will only
work within those so you typically won't get much performance help there, or
any other kind of help either :-( They have rules, we don't :-)

- --
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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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- --

> The guys at the local FOMOCO dealership tried to jet the carb out and
> they said that it had a hi-po cam in it and they couldn't jet it out
> because it wouldn't run right. I am getting an average of 4-6mpg and I
> wanted to know if I could put a 2 barrel on it.
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:15:21 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - C6

Ha! Azie's on the hot seat instead of me for a change :-)

- --
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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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- --

> Lee Craner Forget that previous post --- Different engines
> use different
> torque converters and have different bolt patterns.
>
> I really got out of shape with this one.
>
> Sorry about that.
>
> Azie
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:15:28 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Rear disc for 9"

G. Ash writes: >>Let me ask and post this one. On my 9"
Ford 1978 rear can or is there a way to ch$ convert my rear drum brakes
to disc brakes? This could really help in wet and loaded conditions that my
pickup sees.

Don't know about cheap, but the '78-? Lincoln Marks had them as standard I
think. I got a complete rear axle from a '79 and intend to install them on my
wifes '76 F 100 2X4 flareside. I havent measured the bolt patterns for the
assembly to see if it will bolt on the standard rear in the '76, but I was told
it was a bolt on job. I even got the chunk in it. It is something like a 2.10
ratio or thereabouts. Can't rember the exact ratio, but it is extremely
high(low numerically). I only gave $100 foir the whole assy, but it needs new
rotors and new calipers. I just wanted the mechanics of it. I'll make it like
new when I install it.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 14:06:15 -0400
From: Huw Powell
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: NOS Stuff

> Ok, you guys got me on this one.....I don't own a mustang so NOS is one of
> those things I just let slide over my back and not worry too much about what
> it actually means.......well? I don't know what it means?
>
> Not On Sale?
> Never On Sunday?
> Not One Single.....?

New Old Stock

- --
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:12:15 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Rear disc for 9"

> Don't know about cheap, but the '78-? Lincoln Marks had them as
> standard I

> but it needs new
> rotors and new calipers. I just wanted the mechanics of it.
> I'll make it like
> new when I install it.


Don't lincolns use the car bolt pattern (5 on 4.5?) versus your truck
pattern (5 on 5.5?)


Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:20:20 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 69 Bronco brake system upgrade

>>My question: is there a relation between booster size and master cylinder
size and vehicle size?

Anthony, the quick answer here is yes there is a difference. As to whether
the system from the Ranger will work the Bronco, I don't know. Another thing
to consider is does your Bronco have 4 drums? The Ranger probably had discs
up front. That makes a difference too. Good luck.

- -- John
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 14:37:07 EDT
From: "Gerald Ash"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear disc for 9"

Thanks Azie,
This will help me start hunting the salvage yards.
Have a good weekend and wish you luck in your projects.
GA


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G. Ash writes: >>Let me ask and post this one. On my 9"
Ford 1978 rear can or is there a way to ch$ convert my rear drum brakes
to disc brakes? This could really help in wet and loaded conditions that my
pickup sees.

Don't know about cheap, but the '78-? Lincoln Marks had them as standard I
think. I got a complete rear axle from a '79 and intend to install them on
my
wifes '76 F 100 2X4 flareside. I havent measured the bolt patterns for the
assembly to see if it will bolt on the standard rear in the '76, but I was
told
it was a bolt on job. I even got the chunk in it. It is something like a
2.10
ratio or thereabouts. Can't rember the exact ratio, but it is extremely
high(low numerically). I only gave $100 foir the whole assy, but it needs
new
rotors and new calipers. I just wanted the mechanics of it. I'll make it
like
new when I install it.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 14:56:36 EDT
From: "Gerald Ash"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Rear disc for 9"

OUCH....you are right. I will check and recall my junk dealer. Thanks as
you probably just saved me from two things. 1.Having spent money on
something I didn't need. 2.The wife yelling as the garage has more usless
junk.
Gerald


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> Don't know about cheap, but the '78-? Lincoln Marks had them as
> standard I

> but it needs new
> rotors and new calipers. I just wanted the mechanics of it.
> I'll make it like
> new when I install it.


Don't lincolns use the car bolt pattern (5 on 4.5?) versus your truck
pattern (5 on 5.5?)


Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 15:03:40 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Rear disc for 9"

9" all use 5.5 circle AFAIK on the full size at least. My, soon to be junk,
continental is the same as trucks as was my 74 merc and 67 F-100 (maybe not
the 67 or 68, can't remember for sure) and 75 econoline...I have a stack of
rims about house high to prove it :-) Can't seem to throw anything
away...:-(

I do recall a couple of years where the cars had bigger circles than trucks
but don't recall which ones? Tried to swap and found this out the hard way
:-( Maybe it was the 67 F-100 and 74 merc, could be a year thing? The
modified 67 though had much larger bolt circle....48 GMC buss axle I just
happened to have lying around with nice 20" snow tires on it :-)

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> Don't lincolns use the car bolt pattern (5 on 4.5?) versus your truck
> pattern (5 on 5.5?)
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 14:38:44 -0500
From: "ben"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - cam selection

The heads I have are the 2v, and they have comp cams springs. That should
clear some things up. Out of the two cams which one would be the best for my
application?

- -Keith Black cam and lifter kit for 1970-1982 Ford-Mercury V-8 Boss
351-351C-351M-400 CU IN. LIFT: Intake 484, Exhaust 510. DURATION: Intake
260, Exhaust 270.

- -Keith Black cam and lifter kit for 1970-1982 Ford-Mercury V-8 Boss
351-351C-351M-400 CU IN. LIFT: Intake 509, Exhaust 509. DURATION: Intake
274, Exhaust 284.



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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:29:16 PDT
From: "MARTY COLMAN"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - hot 390

Since I changed to the 4v intake on my 73 F100 390 it seems to run rather
warm. It never over heats, or acts hot, never gurgles or spews out
antifreeze, but the guage reads warmer that I feel comfortable with. But it
could have to do with the sending unit (has not been change AFAIK), I want
to run it by you'all and see if you think it is anything to worry about.
Hopefully I don't confuse you in the process.

I'm going by the factory guage, it has only 4 letters (TEMP) on it and it is
now running on the P or a little past. The only thing past P is the line
for HOT, I don't like it that close. These are trips of only a few miles
(all highway) to work and it has been 90+ deg outside this week, but I
wouldn't think that would effect it that much.

The "old" ('62 serial #) 2v intake had a smaller hole for the sending unit
than the "new" ('65 serial #) 4v. However the sender that has always been
used is for the bigger hole. -are ya' still with me?- So a pipe adapter was
used to make it work, which left the sender about an inch or so "above" the
intake (2nd owner, older brother - I'm 3rd - said it was always that way).
So, needless to say, when I changed the intake I threw the adapter as far as
I could and put the sender directly into the intake like it should have been
all along. So now it seems to run hotter, which is logical now that the
sender is more "in the flow", but it still doesn't seem correct.

The guage seems to function correctly through the warmup, haven't had any
troubles with any other guages. It is full of coolant. The thermostat was
replaced with the "new" intake (and is opening), and the motor and radiatior
were flushed out just this summer. Timing is set a 10deg. Has a good tight
belt to run water pump and the shroud is intact.

Could it just be the warm weather? Any ideas? I'm fresh out.

Marty


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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 15:36:17 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - hot 390

> I'm going by the factory guage, it has only 4 letters (TEMP) on
> it and it is
> now running on the P or a little past. The only thing past P is
> the line
> for HOT, I don't like it that close. These are trips of only a
> few miles
> (all highway) to work and it has been 90+ deg outside this week, but I
> wouldn't think that would effect it that much.
>

Wow, I would never trust my new engine with that much heat for very long,
mostly cause I don't want to damage it. Mine is lucky to run between the E
and M (straight up and down) when its that warm out, though in town it will
creep over that becaue I don't have a shroud on...

What temp of thermostat are you running ? Also I would first just switch
out to a new sending unit, be sure you have a good connection between the
block and the sender too ... if the motor doesn't actually feel that warm
(hot is hot, so I dunno how you could tell for sure), then I wouldnt' worry
about it too much ... though its hard to ignore a gauge that's almost
pegged...

Just my $.02
wish

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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 15:41:52 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Rear disc for 9"

> 9" all use 5.5 circle AFAIK on the full size at least. My, soon
> to be junk,
> continental is the same as trucks as was my 74 merc and 67 F-100
> (maybe not
> the 67 or 68, can't remember for sure) and 75 econoline...I have
> a stack of
> rims about house high to prove it :-) Can't seem to throw anything
> away...:-(
> I do recall a couple of years where the cars had bigger circles
> than trucks
> but don't recall which ones? Tried to swap and found this out
> the hard way


Are you sure on this ? I know our 69 Cougar with a 9" has the same bolt
pattern as my 96 'stang with an 8.8" in it ... and there's no way these will
bolt on to my 73 1/2 ton with a 9" in the rear ... I'll try when I get home
tonight if you like, but I'm pretty sure it won't work ... the center hub is
way different sized to start with ...

I would believe the lincolns used truck axles in the mid to late 70's which
would give them a bigger bolt pattern and make them the same as the trucks,
but I'm havin trouble with this one. I know Ranger rims will bolt to the
cars, but don't ever see rangers with the full size rims on them ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:48:23 -0700
From: "J.S.H."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Holley problem

Thanks to Stockman and Gary for the Holley tips.
It will be 4-6 weeks until I am able to tear
into it due to almost severing my thumb at work.
What a bummer,a month off but I can't work on my trucks.
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Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 19:30:20 -0400
From: Brent Cole
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Gear work

Hi Scott,
I went completely through my 79 NP205 and put in new bearings and seals.
I even had to replace the input shaft with gear. I bought a Federal Mogul
kit that had all the bearings and seals in it. But according to my FM book
they don't list a bearing and seal kit for the spicer 21.??? It was my
first gear box I ever took apart and I took it all the way apart. I asked
for an exploded view of the T-case at the parts house and that's what I put
it back together from. It was easier than I expected.

Brent

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Date: Wednesday, August 25, 1999 10:14 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Gear work


>Hi all,
>Well, I'm in the planning stages of rebuilding my transfer case,(76 F100,
>spicer 21, single speed), and I was wondering if anyone out there could
>give me a bit of insight. I've been looking for a reason to get a press and
>this might be it. Or is this something where I should take the thing apart,
>clean it and take it to the machine shop? I've replaced axles and swapped
>out third members and everything else on on trucks, but the gear parts.
>I've always wanted to get a little deeper into it. I guess a list of "must
>have" tools is what I'm looking for. Thanks..:)
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 17:55:06 -0400
From: David Henderson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - hot 390

Marty Colman wrote:
>The gauge seems to function correctly through the warmup,
>haven't had any troubles with any other gauges. It is full of coolant. The
>thermostat was replaced with the "new" intake (and is opening), and the motor
>and radiator were flushed out just this summer. Timing is set a 10deg.
>Has a good tight belt to run water pump and the shroud is intact.

Marty:

Mine been doing this after the rebuild. Scared me half to death. Further
investigation revealed that the engine was not actually overheating. I know
this because the cap should have blown one time, but didn't. When I got to the....


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