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61-79-list-digest Wednesday, August 25 1999 Volume 03 : Number 299



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - Gear ratio
RE: FTE 61-79 - Re 400W
FTE 61-79 - 429/460
Re: FTE 61-79 - 429/460
Re: FTE 61-79 - 400W
Re: FTE 61-79 - 429/460
FTE 61-79 - '64ish Chipper/Dump For Sale!
FTE 61-79 - Re: Valve guides
FTE 61-79 - Re: Book on Differentials
FTE 61-79 - ' 64 Headlight switch
RE: FTE 61-79 - more air
FTE 61-79 - Engine Rebuild Update

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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 22:54:26 EDT
From: "Gerald Ash"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Gear ratio

I love Fords but don't get me wrong. There door pannels ect sux. THe way
to tell is to get the tag off the rear chunk. Here is a site that will
cross the numbers out that you get there.
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Good Luck
Gerald


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Not sure what year truck your talking about but on my 69 there is a code on
the tag on the jam of the driver side door. Post what that says and you can
tell for sure as the tire size dictates the effective ratio.

JT
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On Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:37:48 MC wrote:
>Hi guys. I've been trying to figure out the gear ratio of my old truck,
>but seem to be stuck. The tag says 313 in the bottom right corner, but I
>didn't believe it, so I jacked up one tire and spun the tire. I couldn't
>remember whether to spin it twice, or what, but I got about 1.6
>revolutions of the driveline for 1 rev of the tire and about 3.2 revs
>with 2 revs of the tire.
>
>So could my ratio really be 3.13? I thought that I saw a 3.50 on the tag
>when I bought it, but if it is 3.13, then that would explain why it
>cruised so good on the freeway, why it made such nasty noises when in
>4wd(even in soft stuff), and why I exploded my transfer case over the
>4th of July.
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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 21:52:05 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re 400W

> To get the displacement of an engine you need to multiply bore x
> stroke x # of cylinders x Pi (3.14). A 400M has a 4.00" bore and a 4.00"
> stroke and 8 cylinders. (4.00 X 4.00 X 8 X 3.14 = 401.92 CID). A 351W
> has a 4.00 bore and a 3.50 stroke (351.68 CID).


You lucked out with this math bubba ! If it had been any other bore it
wouldn't have worked, because the equation is actually bore squared divided
by 4, but that for you worked out. But generally pi r square right ? :)
then divide that by 4 to get the r square to diameter terms ...

so your equation would look a little more accurate as
(area of a circle)* height of cylinder * number of cylinders * Pi (off the
top of my head)
4.00x4.00/4x3.1415926 x 4.00 x 8 = 402.12 or whatever ..

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 22:51:49 -0400
From: "Marvin Meyer"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 429/460

As for the block, C9 means 1969, 429s / 460s & 429CJs use the same block
there is absolutely no difference.
If you think you have a Cobra Jet, just look in the lifter valley, where the
three holes are above the cam the initials CJ are cast in the there about 1"
tall letters, very distinct and neat. If you have a 70 it is 4 bolt mains
for the CJ. Telling the 460's apart is a little difficult on looking only,
you have to dig deeper. Crank and piston pin heighths are different.
Transmissions i think are different. Same C-6 but if you take one off a 460
it won't bolt up to a 429. Correct me if I'm wrong..
Marvin


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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 23:17:37 EDT
From: "Gerald Ash"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 429/460

On the transmission issue you are wrong. If the gent. has the crankshaft
there is an easy way to tell the difference.


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As for the block, C9 means 1969, 429s / 460s & 429CJs use the same block
there is absolutely no difference.
If you think you have a Cobra Jet, just look in the lifter valley, where the
three holes are above the cam the initials CJ are cast in the there about 1"
tall letters, very distinct and neat. If you have a 70 it is 4 bolt mains
for the CJ. Telling the 460's apart is a little difficult on looking only,
you have to dig deeper. Crank and piston pin heighths are different.
Transmissions i think are different. Same C-6 but if you take one off a 460
it won't bolt up to a 429. Correct me if I'm wrong..
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Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 00:31:01 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 400W

you're right it can be done and it makes a killer package, BUT you better be
prepared to lay out some cash for the machine work, crank has to be modified
alot,
and the block has to be ground on to clear the crankshaft, someone told me
crank mods for this run approximately $1000.00, and i also heard you could
buy the set up ready to assemble from P.A.W.

jeff grant
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Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 00:44:23 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 429/460

i've had several CJ's and i don't recall seeing a CJ cast into the block?

jg
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Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 00:45:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: crewcab altavista.net
Subject: FTE 61-79 - '64ish Chipper/Dump For Sale!

Spotted this on the way to work, stopped and did
a quick check out. It's a 64ish F600
with a behind the cab mounted chipper and a
big covered bin behind for the chips that dumps back.

My guess is that the chipper is run from a PTO, as
I couldn't see a motor. A note on the floor says
its got a new engine and brakes.

I don't have a phone number or a price, as the sign
got blown away before I remembered to stop.

I can see it needs a windshield, but other than
some badly faded paint, it's not beat up.

Drop me a line if anyone is interested and I'll
leave a note on the truck.

Stu, stop reading!

Another cool truck for sale nearby is what I call
a carrydeck. It's a yard truck with a cab sized
about two feet across and about 5 feet long.
It is designed for hauling long pipes around, with
side boxes for other stuff, very cool truck, even
if it's not a Ford. Sixties is my guess as to the
era, $800, sucha deal. It classifies in a weird
way as a supercab, since there is a jump seat
behind the driver. 530-268-1661 I think, it's been
moved.

Looks like I have to post from Altavista and read
from Mailcity, as I just get a pile of text in AV.

Jeff '64 F100 CrewCab


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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 23:40:37 -0500
From: "Brett L. Habben"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Valve guides

Folks,
I just talked to a head shop that uses a "K-Liner" (spelling may be
wrong) machine for redoing the guides. They say is some way of
depositing a Bronze alloy into the reamed guides.
What do you think of this method?
Brett
Super75cab
PS. Do engine rebuild questions belong here or over in the performance
forum?

>On Mon, 23 Aug 1999, "George Litton" wrote:
> P.S. Use the cast iron guides for longevity. Leave the bronze guides
to
> the racers.
>THANK YOU! Sometimes I feel all alone when the conversation turns to
>this...
>Birken

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Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 00:07:13 -0500
From: "Brett L. Habben"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Book on Differentials

Mark,
Terminology gets confusing. OK, back to the original problem. What
pieces are chewed up? The reason I ask is that replacing just the 4
gears inside the carrier ("spider gears" or "two side gears on the axles
and two pinion gears") is just a Remove and Replace (R&R) affair. Now if
either/both the Ring gear ("Crown" gear on the carrier) and the "Pinion"
gear that meshes with it are damaged then it moves beyond simple R&R and
gets into the world of setting up the gear lash.
Anyway, it's pretty obvious the stress fourwheeling puts on those spider
gears. I've also seen people actually destroy the crush sleeve (the cure
of which is to replace the crush sleeve with a shim pack).
25 years ago my dad bought a shiny new red '74 F100 Ranger 4x4
360-2V/C6/NP203/limited slip 3.55's,etc. and I tore into that thing as
only a teenager could. By the time it was all said and done a '70 390
w/4V holley, dist recurve, etc. perked it right up.
So what are your damages? Is this full-time or part-time fourwheel
drive?
Brett
Super75cab
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>I see the Chilton's does talk some about failure modes. It shows
>a picture of fractured differential pinion and side gears and says
>"The usual cause is a sudden excessive load, as might be caused
>by sudden clutch engagement at high engine speed. Another cause
>is a rapidly spinning wheel suddenly reaching a good traction
>area." I know it sounds obvious when you read it, but it kind of
>puts into perspective the combination of a high torque motor and
>big tires can really put some stress on your driveline, depending
>mostly on how YOU drive it.
>Mark in Southwest Washington
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Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 02:23:22 -0400
From: Ted Wnorowski
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ' 64 Headlight switch

Sorry if this came through already.
Does anyone know the difference, if any, between these 2 switches? One is
part # C4DZ-11654-A the other is # C4AZ-11654-A. I'm too lazy to dig out my
build code book right now.


Ted Wnorowski
Bellevue,OH
'64 F-250
352 transplant
4 speed
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Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 01:43:31 -0500
From: Jeff Lester
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - more air

John,

I "borrowed" my nearly-repaired van this past weekend, and *man*...
it was down right hot in Houston. I say this because the AC just
doesn't work. I was looking through my repair paperwork, and I
noticed that the shop, a few months ago, topped off the system
with R134A. How can I tell the difference between an R12 and
R134A system? Is this possible? Would I be wrong, in assuming,
that the 78 van came with an R12 system originally. If this is a
fact, I'm not sure if the conversion was done. Now I'm wondering
if my AC system is screwed up... 8^(

By the way... would you do it again... knowing what you know now?

Jeff Lester - La Porte, Texas
78 Ford E350 4x4, 460, C6, NP205, D44/70, 35" BFG MT's
http://www.ford-trucks.com/pictorial/big/1978_e350_1.html

On Monday, August 23, 1999 8:08 AM, John LaGrone [SMTP:jlagrone ford-trucks.com] wrote:
> Jeff,
>
> I got the Towncar air conditioner fixed at about 6 p.m. Thursday. I?ve had
> eye surgery on Friday a.m. and been traveling all day Saturday. I am behind
> on reading the digests. Here is the scoop. I had to replace the evaporator
> core. I am hard pressed to rate the manufacturers on who has the worst
> scenario for replacement of this piece. I guess everyone is just plain old
> bad. I started at 5:30 p.m. Wednesday night and finished at 12:30 a.m.
> Thursday. I still had a leak. It turned out to be a cracked pressure switch.
> Then the guy working on it only put in 3 twelve ounce cans of R12. That last
> can of R12 at 6 p.m. did the trick. I spent right at $500 for the repairs.
> That includes replacing heater hoses and clamps, but not my time,
> aggravation, and sore muscles. $80 of that was wasted on two different
> shops, the first wanted to replace everything, the second wouldn?t replace
> anything. I finally found a guy who would talk to me and didn?t look at me
> like a walking wallet. Remember that first shop wanted $900 to replace
> everything but the compressor and retrofit to R134.
>
> On the R134 front. My mom spent $700+ to replace the compressor and retrofit
> her 93 Bui k Century about 4 weeks ago. She hates it. It cools fine going
> down the highway, but quits cooling at idle. I?m glad I didn?t retrofit
> either the Towncar (aka Dee) or Henry.
>
> -- John
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> 1979 F150 Custom LWB Regular Cab 351M C6 (Henry)
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Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 04:30:26 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Engine Rebuild Update

> Now I need to find out where to get adapters to use my
> Edelbrock Intake(351C-4V) with the 4V heads on the 400
> block. In a prior list someone gave a name of a
> company in Ark, I haven't yet contacted them, but I....

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