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From: owner-61-79-list-digest  ford-trucks.com (61-79-list-digest) To: 61-79-list-digest ford-trucks.com Subject: 61-79-list-digest V3 #298 Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com Sender: owner-61-79-list-digest ford-trucks.com Errors-To: owner-61-79-list-digest ford-trucks.com Precedence: bulk 61-79-list-digest Tuesday, August 24 1999 Volume 03 : Number 298 ======================================================================= Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961-1979 Trucks and Vans Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, send email to: majordomo ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list-digest" in the body of the message. ======================================================================= In this issue: FTE 61-79 - introduction FTE 61-79 - Oil Expert, Naw, Merely a Dillitante FTE 61-79 - FLASHERS FIXED, NOW TRANSMISSION SHIFT SLOW FTE 61-79 - Hypereut's and nitrous FTE 61-79 - Turn signal bulb FTE 61-79 - 400W FTE 61-79 - Cu In FTE 61-79 - 4R70W FTE 61-79 - 1157 vs 2057 Re: FTE 61-79 - 4R70W FTE 61-79 - badges FTE 61-79 - tough shifting 4spd Re: FTE 61-79 - tough shifting 4spd FTE 61-79 - Re: Book on Differentials Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Book on Differentials Re: FTE 61-79 - Turn signal bulb RE: FTE 61-79 - Friendly street match Re: FTE 61-79 - 4R70W FTE 61-79 - Core Support (Splash Panel) Re: FTE 61-79 - AOD & E4OD Re: FTE 61-79 - AOD & E4OD RE: FTE 61-79 - 400W FTE 61-79 - Gear ratio RE: FTE 61-79 - 1157 vs 2057 FTE 61-79 - 1157-2057 Re: FTE 61-79 - Cu In FTE 61-79 - Bonded Motors RE: FTE 61-79 - Cu In Re: FTE 61-79 - Bonded Motors FTE 61-79 - 460 temp sending unit RE: FTE 61-79 - 460 temp sending unit Re: FTE 61-79 - Brakes RE: FTE 61-79 - Brakes Re: FTE 61-79 - Brakes Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Book on Differentials FTE 61-79 - Vacuum Diagram Van76,E150,351W,V8 Re: FTE 61-79 - Vacuum Diagram Van76,E150,351W,V8 Re: FTE 61-79 - 400W FTE 61-79 - Engine Rebuild Update Re: FTE 61-79 - 1157 vs 2057 FTE 61-79 - 64 CrewCab is Rollin! Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine Rebuild Update FTE 61-79 - FLASHERS FIXED, NOW TRANSMISSION SHIFT SLOW FTE 61-79 - Re 400W Re: FTE 61-79 - Gear ratio Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine Rebuild Update ======================================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 06:29:57 -0400 From: Huw Powell Subject: FTE 61-79 - introduction Hi all, I just s*bscr*bed. I have had a 1973 F250 (4wd, 360, C-6, Fisher plow) for about 6 1/2 years. Unfortunately the cab mounts are pretty much history (and have been for ages). Luckily the steering column holds the cab on top of the frame for now. Since I really want to make it street legal again soon I will be swapping a cab and fenders from a 77 or so donor vehicle (it has a seized 305 or something, manual trans, and some kind of lift kit on it - oh yeah, and 8 lug rear wheels and 5 lug fronts!). This will also involve (hopefully) using the 77's power steering bits and (maybe) brake booster. (And rewiring the whole truck probably) I figure this list will be my best resource for the many questions I will have into while doing this job. Any hints in advance will certainly be welcome. Thanks! - -- Huw Powell http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.humanspeakers.com/audi/ 82 Audi Coupe; 84 4kq; 85 Coupe GT; 73 F250 (I will try to use less parentheses in future) == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 06:16:31 -0500 From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger) Subject: FTE 61-79 - Oil Expert, Naw, Merely a Dillitante > Before you tear that 4-speed apart, try some new oil. I used 50 wt engine oil > and it made a big difference. Next time, however, I'm going to use the > synthetic tranny oil....I think Ballinger is the expert on that....but I'm > not sure.....there is some kind of Mobil product available. The oil that I use in my '65 NP435 and Dana 24 is Mobiltrans SHC 50. It's a fully synthetic oil that can be used in any transmission application that calls for a 50 wt engine oil. It's used specifically in over the road Eaton and RoadRanger transmissions, and is required by the manufacturers for their full warranties. My 435 had a nasty clash going into 4th. And, if it was under 45 degrees out it would nearly kill the engine if you let out the clutch after you first started it. Under 30 degrees and it would kill it. Add to that, that Dana 24 was pretty stiff too until the oil got hot. I switched to this oil, and the clash has for the most part dissappeared. It will still scratch on a rare occasion, hell, it's over 30 years old and never been apart. Starting up even on the coldest morning can be accomplished in neutral with the clutch out. And it just seems to pull smoother at speed, less of a bind from the transfer case. Another thing that helps that though is I also use Mobillube 75-90 gear lube. It's also fully synthetic, and for over the road trucks, used by Eaton in their drive axles. It used to be, you could hardly push my truck by hand, and would actually sit idling in neutral on some slight inclines (no parking brake). Now it rolls on the slightest incline, and two people can actually push it. Even on a cold morning. I don't track my mileage, because I'm always hogging the 4 bbl, but I know it's improved. It has to have. BTW, I'm using Mobil 1 15w 50 in that rattling piece of crap engine (I know, forged pistons are supposed to rattle, right?) I've got, (that still pulls hard to 6000 rpms regularly, I just can't seem to scatter it so I can have an excuse to build my other engine) and I saw the oil pressure go from 30 psi when hot to 50. What's amazing though, is that when you start it up it only goes up to 58. Before it went up to 68 (with 10w40 Penzoil)when cold. Now, I have had some oil leaks to fix. The end seals on the intake have made a mess of everything, but I think that's because whoever put it together didn't know how to seal an engine up. Like knowing that you don't really need .008-.015 skirt clearance with forged pistons. (I put a feeler guage to some of them when I was changing the oil pan gasket, geez!) :-) == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 06:28:30 -0500 From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger) Subject: FTE 61-79 - FLASHERS FIXED, NOW TRANSMISSION SHIFT SLOW > > Thanks to all who responded regarding slow turn signals. I found the > other flasher, (didn't realize the truck had two separate ones). Replaced > the other flasher and the signals work fine. > > Another unrelated problem is slowly shifting C6. When the truck is cold, > it takes about two miles before the transmission warms up, and until it does > it will not shift into high gear. Once warm, it shifts fine. I also have a > slight leak in the front of the trans. Does it have to come out to replace > the seal? Is it a C-6, or the cast-iron Cruise-o-Matic in your '66? I've had a couple of Cruise-o-Matics that did this, and was told it was due to a worn out pump. Another thing I've had is a Cruise-o-Matic that wouldn't shift into high until about 80 mph, and would DOWNSHIFT back to second if you dropped back to 75. Exciting. I never took the time to fix it, and it would still chirp the tires manually shifting to 2nd, I finally sold it. I've never had a C-6 do this, even with a 150,000 miles, so I can't help you there. Also, I've not run across a tranny yet that didn't have to be seperated from the engine to change a front seal. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 06:37:08 -0500 From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger) Subject: FTE 61-79 - Hypereut's and nitrous > how do you identify the Hypereutectic pistons? these that i have with all the > 351 w stuff that i'm trying to sell look like cast construction underneath, > but on the outside they look like forged. they are new but are not in the > original box. so i'm not sure what brand they are. It's getting harder to tell cast from forged pistons from the outside anymore, most all of them are diamond-turned these days and have a pretty outside finish. Used to be cast pistons were dull looking. I saw a set of Badgers at the store the other day, and you talk about pretty. They looked like someone had polished them up. If those pistons you're looking at are Keith Black pistons, you need to set up the ring gaps according to their specs, or you'll rip the ring lands off when it gets warmed up. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 06:40:18 -0500 From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger) Subject: FTE 61-79 - Turn signal bulb > While I'm still awake. What's the difference between a 2057na and a 1157na > bulb. I changed one on my mother-in-laws G!#$! Am yesterday. After skinning > my knuckles I got it (the 2057) out and it looked fine. I replaced it with > an 1157 I think the 1157 is a single element, and the 2057 is a double. Not sure, but I'll look next time I'm at the store. (if I think of it) == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:21:14 -0400 From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - 400W John LaG. writes: >>When you say 400W do you mean the 400, 335 series? I didn't know they ever made a 400 in the windsor block? >>Are you talking about a "stroker" Windsor? >>400ci W ? wow, that's scarey sounding ... I did not say FOMOCO made a 400 W. I said I'm goint to make a 400 W. Not the same... The bores are the same. The main and rod journals are the same. The bore spacing is the same. Cam I'm not sure of yet, but I think all the 351's used the same firing order, and the cam journals should be the same, so maybe an early 351BOSS or C cam might work. Some of them were solid lifter, and ran very well. I hope to insert a 400 crank and pistons in a 351W. That would make a 400W would it not??? I'm pretty sure it can be done, but I've not tried it yet. I'm gathering pieces, and when I've got all the required parts, I'll try it and let you guys know how it turned out. Azie == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:41:10 -0400 From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Cu In Darrell D. writes: >> There is a way to use a 400 crank in a 351w, with mopar 360 rods, and you get something like a 427. Darrell, I hate to break this to you, but rod length has nothing to do with the displacement. Only the bore and stroke. ie Volume = Pi X R2 X L. This gives the volume for one cylinder, so multiply by the # of cyls and you have Cu In. The rod length merely keeps the piston in the correct place of the cylinder. It has to be a certain length in order to keep the piston from protuding out the top of the block at TDC and keep the piston away from the crank at BDC. Dfferent Mfg's use different length rods in basically the same bore and stroke engines(so basically the same displacement), to maintain certain piston speeds at given rpms. Hence "different strokes for different folks". Hope this helps. Azie Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:45:42 -0400 From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - 4R70W Rade writes: >>If you don't mind buying a stand-alone tranny controller then an 4R70W would be the one to get, it is an AOD-E with a wide ratio gear set which gives it a lower first gear, always a good thing. Does Baumann Engineering make this controller??? What is the going Rate?? What vehicles was the 4R70W offered in?? Is it physically the same size as the AOD?? Azie Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:51:48 -0400 From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1157 vs 2057 Ted writes: >>While I'm still awake. What's the difference between a 2057na and a 1157na bulb. I changed one on my mother-in-laws G!#$! Am yesterday. After skinning my knuckles I got it (the 2057) out and it looked fine. I replaced it with an 1157 and everything works fine. The manual says 2057, but the 1157 seems to be alright. I think the 1st set of #'s designate the candle power (wattage - brightness - or whatever). 11 doesn't mean 11cp nor does 20 mean 20cp, necessarily, but I'm pretty sure that these #'s have to do with the cp. Azie Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:17:11 EDT From: "Gerald Ash" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 4R70W Yes they make a jam up one. Contact them for the current price. It works like a champ. - ----Original Message Follows---- From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com To: 61-79-list Ford-trucks.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - 4R70W Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:45:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 >From owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com Tue Aug 24 05:47:51 1999 Received: from [192.41.63.203] by hotmail.com (2.1) with ESMTP id MHotMailB98BDF770134D82197DDC0293FCB10900; Tue Aug 24 05:47:51 1999 Received: (fordtruc localhost) by ford-trucks.com (8.8.5) id IAA22185; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:46:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fxiod04.is.chrysler.com (firewall-user fxiod04.extra.daimlerchrysler.com [204.189.94.73]) by ford-trucks.com (8.8.5) id IAA22172; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:46:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: ford-trucks.com: Host firewall-user fxiod04.extra.daimlerchrysler.com [204.189.94.73] claimed to be fxiod04.is.chrysler.com Received: from odnpspr2-nf0.oddc.chrysler.com (odnpspr2-nf0.oddc.chrysler.com [129.9.202.74])by fxiod04.is.chrysler.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id IAA27450for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:40:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lngodd03.notes.chrysler.com (odln01-nf1.notes.chrysler.com [129.9.202.40])by odnpspr2-nf0.oddc.chrysler.com (8.9.0/8.9.0/daimlerchrysler-relay-1.0-kcd) with SMTP id IAA16423for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:45:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lngodd03.notes.chrysler.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.3 (733.2 10-16-1998)) id 852567D7.00461DF4 ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:45:51 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CHRYSLER Message-ID: Sender: owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com Precedence: bulk Rade writes: >>If you don't mind buying a stand-alone tranny controller then an 4R70W would be the one to get, it is an AOD-E with a wide ratio gear set which gives it a lower first gear, always a good thing. Does Baumann Engineering make this controller??? What is the going Rate?? What vehicles was the 4R70W offered in?? Is it physically the same size as the AOD?? Azie Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.msn.com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:20:12 -0500 From: "John LaGrone" Subject: FTE 61-79 - badges >>how in the heck do you get the "F-?50" badges off the fenders?? without breaking them off,,,, Badges? We don't need no stinking badges. Oh, wrong movie. Seriously, just pry them off very gingerly with a flat tip screw driver, a little bit at a time all of the way around until they come off. There is a metal retainer (may be plastic on some trucks)that fits in the hole drilled in the fender. The legs on the badges are tapered so that as you insert the badge, the retainer expands behind the fender enough to hold it all on. It works in a similar fashion to a sheetrock anchor. There are no tangs to press or tricks or special tools. If you pry too much out on one side, you will break off a leg or two. You can get by without one leg but if you break off more than one you will need to use glue or your creative genius to reattach the badge. I drilled and tapped the "D" on my hood, put in a stud and some RTV, voila! Long term corrosion may make this excercise extremely frustrating. - -- John jlagrone ford-trucks.com 1979 F150 Custom LWB Regular Cab 351M C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!! == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:36:27 EDT From: BDIJXS aol.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - tough shifting 4spd Alright Stock Man, You got me on the air powered pump.....nothing like the right tool for the job.... What plug are you talking about? I usually will fill up the tranny all the way to the top until the oil pours out into the cab.....if a little is good, wouldn't more be better? I hope nobody is believing me..... CJ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:53:19 EDT From: "Gerald Ash" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - tough shifting 4spd YOU DONE IT>>>>> There are those of us that just have a wife or kid and we know about pulling the shifter and taking the plug out and when the fluid flows then yelling at the wife and putting the plug in..... Don't worry....keep smiling - ----Original Message Follows---- From: BDIJXS aol.com Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - tough shifting 4spd Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:36:27 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 >From owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com Tue Aug 24 06:43:50 1999 Received: from [192.41.63.203] by hotmail.com (2.1) with ESMTP id MHotMailB98BEC950145D82197F3C0293FCB0DC20; Tue Aug 24 06:43:50 1999 Received: (fordtruc localhost) by ford-trucks.com (8.8.5) id JAA13444; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:38:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by ford-trucks.com (8.8.5) id JAA13415; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:38:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BDIJXS aol.comby imo16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id sRPVa00252 (8001) for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:36:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 14 Sender: owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com Precedence: bulk Alright Stock Man, You got me on the air powered pump.....nothing like the right tool for the job.... What plug are you talking about? I usually will fill up the tranny all the way to the top until the oil pours out into the cab.....if a little is good, wouldn't more be better? I hope nobody is believing me..... CJ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.msn.com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 07:02:57 -0700 (PDT) From: draco pacifier.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Book on Differentials Brett wrote: > I went and photo-copied the rebuild sections from a couple of > different sources; Chiltons, Motor, Haynes, etc. and then went > home and studied them all. Good advice, so I got out the Chiltons and Haynes and started looking at them too. > Can you identify any of the shrapnel as being from some piece > other than the ring and pinion? Spider gears? Bearings? I guess I used the wrong term. In the differential there are four gears, two side gears on the axles and two pinion gears. Are these the ones called spider gears? The Chilton's I have here seems to differentiate them from the ring and pinion by saying "drive pinion" and "differential pinion". I'm just trying to learn from the books so I don't know what people commonly call them. Looking at exploded views it seems like some differentials such as Eatons and Rockwells have a spider and four pinion gears instead of two on a shaft like the Dana 44 and 60. That must be where the spider gear term comes from. I see the Chilton's does talk some about failure modes. It shows a picture of fractured differential pinion and side gears and says "The usual cause is a sudden excessive load, as might be caused by sudden clutch engagement at high engine speed. Another cause is a rapidly spinning wheel suddenly reaching a good traction area." I know it sounds obvious when you read it, but it kind of puts into perspective the combination of a high torque motor and big tires can really put some stress on your driveline, depending mostly on how YOU drive it. > As far as parts go, the factory Dana and Timken parts are pretty > tough. I've ordered parts through Reider Racing and DTS with > satisfaction. Thanks for the leads. I am finding Timken is pretty universally thought of as one of the best. Also, a place called West Coast Differentials, www.differentials.com, came highly recommeded by a friend for parts. Anyone have experience with them? Anyways, back to the books. :) Mark in Southwest Washington http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pacifier.com/~draco - -- '74 F-100 Ranger XLT 4X4 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 10:21:57 -0400 From: James Oxley Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Book on Differentials I don't recall the original post. Which rear are you trying to rebuild/setup again? OX == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 07:28:44 PDT From: "White Wolf" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Turn signal bulb I believe that it is 1156 is a single and 1157 is a double. >I think the 1157 is a single element, and the 2057 is a double. Not >sure, but I'll look next time I'm at the store. (if I think of it) _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.msn.com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:55:47 -0500 From: "William S. Hart" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Friendly street match > On the way home from fixing the front wheel bearings in my Audi, I ran > accoss a local guy in what looked to be a 67-8 F-100 shortbed on the > highway home. I assume he had a smaller FE. Anyway before I > knew it both > of our old trucks were flying down the four-lane at 100. > Consensus would > say I won, because he could never catch up with me. Then I had > to turn to > go home. > Good kill? This sounds like something I'd read out of the Mustang boards, only probably sounded a lot cooler :) I still can't stand the sounds of a F.I. 5.0 with headers and a huge exhaust on it, just too hollow, no meat to it ... that's part of the reason my 4.6 still has the stock exhaust on it, don't want that hollow sound... Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 4.6L 73ish F100 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:23:01 -0700 From: "Radoje Spasojevic" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 4R70W Yes they do. I have no idea how much. They are used in light duty applications in F-Series trucks (F-150's with 4.2 & 4.6L). It should be the same size as an AOD... :^) Rade - -----Original Message----- From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com To: 61-79-list Ford-trucks.com Date: Tuesday, August 24, 1999 5:42 AM Subject: FTE 61-79 - 4R70W >Rade writes: >>If you don't mind buying a stand-alone >tranny controller then an 4R70W would be the one to get, it is an AOD-E with >a wide ratio gear set which gives it a lower first gear, always a good >thing. > >Does Baumann Engineering make this controller??? What is the going Rate?? What >vehicles was the 4R70W offered in?? Is it physically the same size as the AOD?? > >Azie >Ardmore, Al. > > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:13:32 -0400 From: Ted Wnorowski Subject: FTE 61-79 - Core Support (Splash Panel) I got my core support off this morning. Thank God for penetrating oil and impact wrenches. The bolts where it's attached to the frame are rusted but good. I just grabbed what was left of the panel and ripped it off. Can't get the impact on the frame bolts, now where did I put that torch................. Ted Wnorowski Bellevue,OH ' 64 F-250 352 transplant 4 speed == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:19:28 -0600 From: "Dave Resch" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - AOD & E4OD >From: "Radoje Spasojevic" >Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - AOD & E4OD > >In answer to your questions, yes the E40d was >offered behind 351's as the standard auto tranny >once the c-6 was phased out ('90-'91 I think). Yo Rade, et al: Just a note about C6s. The C6 and E4OD co-existed for several years. Last time I contemplated buying a new truck, the C6 was still available for heavy-duty towing in 1996 F350s. I know it was available in the F350 4x4 standard cab and in the 4x2 DRW trucks w/ the 460 engine. It might have been available w/ a Powerstroke diesel, too, but I wasn't looking at those. I don't know if it was available after 1996. Dave R. (M-block devotee) == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:40:54 -0700 From: "Radoje Spasojevic" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - AOD & E4OD I wasn't even thinking about big block pattern trannys, but you are right. However I think the small block pattern C-6 went bye-bye within a year or two of the E40D being introduced. Rade - -----Original Message----- From: Dave Resch To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com Date: Tuesday, August 24, 1999 8:18 AM Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - AOD & E4OD >>From: "Radoje Spasojevic" >>Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - AOD & E4OD >> >>In answer to your questions, yes the E40d was >>offered behind 351's as the standard auto tranny >>once the c-6 was phased out ('90-'91 I think). > >Yo Rade, et al: > >Just a note about C6s. The C6 and E4OD co-existed for several years. Last time >I contemplated buying a new truck, the C6 was still available for heavy-duty >towing in 1996 F350s. I know it was available in the F350 4x4 standard cab and >in the 4x2 DRW trucks w/ the 460 engine. It might have been available w/ a >Powerstroke diesel, too, but I wasn't looking at those. I don't know if it was >available after 1996. > >Dave R. (M-block devotee) > > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 10:36:46 -0500 From: "William S. Hart" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 400W > I did not say FOMOCO made a 400 W. I said I'm goint to make a > 400 W. Not the > same... > I hope to insert a 400 crank and pistons in a 351W. That would > make a 400W > would it not??? I can't find it now, but man it seems like I saw somewhere that someone had done this and had some documentation on the web... I just wish I could remember where! Maybe someone else out there has seen this ? Seems like a lot of cutting on the counter weights was required, but that could just be me misremembering stuff ... Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 4.6L 73ish F100 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:37:48 -0700 From: MC Subject: FTE 61-79 - Gear ratio Hi guys. I've been trying to figure out the gear ratio of my old truck, but seem to be stuck. The tag says 313 in the bottom right corner, but I didn't believe it, so I jacked up one tire and spun the tire. I couldn't remember whether to spin it twice, or what, but I got about 1.6 revolutions of the driveline for 1 rev of the tire and about 3.2 revs with 2 revs of the tire. So could my ratio really be 3.13? I thought that I saw a 3.50 on the tag when I bought it, but if it is 3.13, then that would explain why it cruised so good on the freeway, why it made such nasty noises when in 4wd(even in soft stuff), and why I exploded my transfer case over the 4th of July. - -- Matt Cozad When everything's coming your way, you're in the wrong lane. [||||||]=[|00|]=(|¯_¯_¯_¯_¯_¯_¯_¯_¯_¯_¯_¯_¯_¯_¯_¯_¯_¯_¯_¯_) == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 10:30:41 -0700 From: "Southerland, Rich" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 1157 vs 2057 It is wattage. Both the 1157 and 2057 are dual filament bulbs. The 1156 is a single. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ecom.sylvania.com/osicatalog/multiresult.asp?Item=36561 Spec on 1157 lamps. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ecom.sylvania.com/osicatalog/multiresult.asp?Item=37627 Spec on 2057 lamps. (although this is spec for a 2057NA, which is the amber colored lamp which is being discontinued, but should be the same watts/amps as the clear.) Waay more info than you were lookin for, huh? Happy to be of service. Rich - -----Original Message----- From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com [mailto:am14 daimlerchrysler.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 1999 5:52 AM To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1157 vs 2057 Ted writes: >>While I'm still awake. What's the difference between a 2057na and a 1157na bulb. I changed one on my mother-in-laws G!#$! Am yesterday. After skinning my knuckles I got it (the 2057) out and it looked fine. I replaced it with an 1157 and everything works fine. The manual says 2057, but the 1157 seems to be alright. I think the 1st set of #'s designate the candle power (wattage - brightness - - or whatever). 11 doesn't mean 11cp nor does 20 mean 20cp, necessarily, but I'm pretty sure that these #'s have to do with the cp. Azie Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:09:57 -0700 From: "J.S.H." Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1157-2057 >What's the difference between a 2057na and a 1157na bulb. My understanding is that 2057 is for later models(something to do with all the electronic equipment on later models)The lamps are interchangable and the 2057 is said to last longer. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:35:52 -0700 From: sdelanty sonic.net Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Cu In >Darrell D. writes: >> >There is a way to use a 400 crank in a 351w, with mopar 360 rods, and you get >something like a 427. I'm pretty sure I've seen this on someone's web site... Not sure where, but Dave Williams site seems a likely place: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home1.gte.net/42/ Steve http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:46:20 -0700 From: Clare Waterman Subject: FTE 61-79 - Bonded Motors Hi guys- ive been out of the loop for a bit as i've moved from north carolina to san diego and started a new job. so i am looking around to replace my motor- kragen auto parts has 390's for ~$1000 they come from Bonded with a 12/12 warantee. does anyone have experience with motors from them? also- i remember back a while i read a thread that mentioned an all ford truck junkyard in the san diego area odes anyone have info onthis? thsanks clare == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:56:36 -0500 From: "William S. Hart" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Cu In > Not sure where, but Dave Williams site seems a likely place: > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home1.gte.net/42/ > > Yup, as soon as you mentioned it I knew that's where I'd seen it. In his case it was a 351C crank in a 302 block so I don't know how much would be applicable ... anyway Azie, if you want/need the info off of that page/site let one of us know, i'm sure we can email it to you directly ... Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 4.6L 73ish F100 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:12:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Pat Brown Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Bonded Motors Wow, first Gary, then Delanty, now Clare, pretty soon Deacon is gonna pop in here. Old time FTE week :-) Clare asks: > > Hi guys- ive been out of the loop for a bit as i've moved from north > carolina to san diego and started a new job. > Welcome Back :-) > so i am looking around to replace my motor- kragen auto parts has 390's for > ~$1000 they come from Bonded with a 12/12 warantee. does anyone have > experience with motors from them? No direct experience, but we have "kicked" around buying rebuilt motors here before -lots of horror stories to go around. Remember, you're buying someone elses problems. They are guarenteed for 12/12, but only the motor. You supply the labor. Someone posted about changing motors 3-4 times. No Thanks! I'd recommend: 1) Find a good machine shop, pull your motor and rebuild it. It will cost the same or less, and you'll have a MUCH better engine. 2) If you need to drive the truck while rebuilding, find a used running 360/390 from a wrecker. Install it, and then take your time on the rebuild. You'll learn all kinds of stuff, and you have the use of FTE as a nearly unlimited resource :-) When you're ready to install your rebuild, put the used engine in the classifieds. You may even get your money back out of it if people can listen to it run before purchasing. > i remember back a while i read a thread that mentioned an all ford truck > junkyard in the san diego area odes anyone have info onthis? Sorry, too far from me . . . - -- Pat Brown Sebastopol, California == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 14:16:28 -0500 From: Michael Ray Jones Subject: FTE 61-79 - 460 temp sending unit Can someone point me in the right direction to the temp sending unit on my 77 F150 460? My temp guage is not working, and I thought I'd start there. Anybody have any other hints? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 14:41:12 -0500 From: "William S. Hart" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 460 temp sending unit > > Can someone point me in the right direction to the temp sending unit on > my 77 F150 460? My temp guage is not working, and I thought I'd start > there. Anybody have any other hints? That's a good place to start... it should be on the intake manifold somewhere ... most of the ones i work on (W's and FE's) its right in front of the carb on the pass. side ... but i think I heard that the 460's had them on the rear of the intake behind it ? Anyway once you find it (just threads into the intake, if you remove it without letting some of the anti-freeze out it will leak badly) just unplug the wire going to it and then try and ground it out, with the key on this should cause the gauge go peg at H. If this happens then the problem is the sending unit, if it doesn't, start chasing the wire and see if you can find a break in it, or a bad ground somewhere... Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 4.6L 73ish F100 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 15:55:24 EDT From: TWL1911 aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Brakes Hey all i knoiw this isnt FTE content here but i do want to know if any one has replaced the front wheel brakes on a 88 blazer(its one girls car go figure they drive chevys). it has 4x4 i have replaced brakes on my car and i was just curious if they pretty much are all the same and i just wanted to know if im gonna get in over my head on this FTE content i found a guy that lives in my town who has a truck EXACTLY like mine only his looks brand new. i will have to talk to him and find out if what his trick was in putting it together thanks travis == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 15:07:36 -0500 From: "William S. Hart" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Brakes > i knoiw this isnt FTE content here but i do want to know if any one has > replaced the front wheel brakes on a 88 blazer(its one girls car > go figure > they drive chevys). it has 4x4 i have replaced brakes on my car > and i was > just curious if they pretty much are all the same and i just > wanted to know > if im gonna get in over my head on this Brakes all work on the same principles (funny how physics is), so it should be very similar to yours yes ... if she has ABS watch to be sure its turned right if you have the rotors turned or it can mess things up. Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 4.6L 73ish F100 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 16:37:30 EDT From: TWL1911 aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Brakes In a message dated 8/24/99 3:15:09 PM Central Daylight Time, wish iastate.edu writes: Brakes all work on the same principles (funny how physics is), so it should be very similar to yours yes ... if she has ABS watch to be sure its turned right if you have the rotors turned or it can mess things up. Just my $.02 wish >> ok i dont think it has ABS but i dont think we are gonna turn rotors probally just gonna pull it apart and throw pads on and call it a deal. but the car has had a really bad squek and i think its the safety deal im gonna pull off the wheel and see what its like bfore i go digging into it. its amazing what a 17 year old girl can do to a truck. like it had no exhaist at one point and it has bald tires. hmm i think i really wonder what im gettting into here oh well she would really like it so mighht as well Travis == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 15:23:11 -0700 (PDT) From: draco pacifier.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Book on Differentials OX wrote: > I don't recall the original post. Which rear are you trying to > rebuild/setup again? Dana 44 front. Mark == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 21:06:07 -0700 From: Juan Briones Subject: FTE 61-79 - Vacuum Diagram Van76,E150,351W,V8 i have 76 Econoline 150, 351W, V8 automatic, i am in need of a complete Vac Diagram that fits my van, i went to the local library and i pulled out (p3-59) 76 Mitchell truck repair manual and it was not good. i know that i have a three port PVS one port goes to the Carb and the other two are pluged. The Vac diagram is very important to me, because when my Air Conditioning is on, and driving on the highway, on acceleration the Air changes to the defrost ducts. i have to disacelerate so the air comes back to the regular vents. i hope somebody has access to Ford Dealer vacuum diagram. Thanks for the help. Juan == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 19:21:35 -0400 From: "Gerald Ash" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Vacuum Diagram Van76,E150,351W,V8 Go to your local NAPA store and for under $100 you can get either a rebuilt one or just the part. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Juan Briones To: Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 1999 12:06 AM Subject: FTE 61-79 - Vacuum Diagram Van76,E150,351W,V8 > i have 76 Econoline 150, 351W, V8 automatic, i am in need of a complete > Vac Diagram that fits my van, i went to the local library and i pulled > out (p3-59) 76 Mitchell truck repair manual and it was not good. > i know that i have a three port PVS one port goes to the Carb and the > other two are pluged. > The Vac diagram is very important to me, because when my Air > Conditioning is on, and driving on the highway, on acceleration the Air > changes to the defrost ducts. i have to disacelerate so the air comes > back to the regular vents. > i hope somebody has access to Ford Dealer vacuum diagram. > Thanks for the help. > Juan > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 17:37:02 PDT From: "George Litton" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 400W Azie, I hope you have a lot of money for Mallory Metal to balance that thing. The combo has been a dream of mine for sometime, but I can't afford to balance it. You have to reduce the counterweights of the 400 crank by an inch to make it fit in the windsor block. If you have access to a crank grinder, that is a piece of cake. I tried to do it in a lathe, and the interupted cut on the bit just tore things up, not to mention junking the crank. That crank was already junk, but I wanted to try to see if it could be done. I work in a machine shop surrounded by horsepower junkies, so this is not a new combo to us. As for cam, you need to use the windsor cam, as a cleveland cam will not fit. Piston pin height is another problem for you to address. Keith Black makes a hyperutectic piston for this combo, though. I don't have a web address here, but they are part of Silvolite, who was have a web-page. It is a cool project. Good Luck. George in Coeur d'Alene, ID. >From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com >Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com >To: 61-79-list Ford-trucks.com >Subject: FTE 61-79 - 400W >Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:21:14 -0400 > >John LaG. writes: >>When you say 400W do you mean the 400, 335 series? I >didn't know they ever >made a 400 in the windsor block? > >>Are you talking about a "stroker" Windsor? > >>400ci W ? wow, that's scarey sounding ... > >I did not say FOMOCO made a 400 W. I said I'm goint to make a 400 W. Not >the >same... >The bores are the same. The main and rod journals are the same. The bore >spacing is the same. Cam I'm not sure of yet, but I think all the 351's >used >the same firing order, and the cam journals should be the same, so maybe an >early 351BOSS or C cam might work. Some of them were solid lifter, and ran >very >well. >I hope to insert a 400 crank and pistons in a 351W. That would make a 400W >would it not??? >I'm pretty sure it can be done, but I've not tried it yet. I'm gathering >pieces, and when I've got all the required parts, I'll try it and let you >guys >know how it turned out. > >Azie > > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.msn.com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 17:39:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Lee Subject: FTE 61-79 - Engine Rebuild Update Before I read any of the replies to my post on engine rebuild, I swapped my 351C short block and C6 case for a 400 short block and C6 case. It will cost me a little to change cases on the C6, but I don't have to bore now. I will put rings and bearings in the 400 and use my 4V Clevland heads. I did this not because of any worry about boring (I was only going +.010 or +.020 just to clean up the cylinders), but because I wanted more cubes and longer stroke to enhance the low RPM power and provide vacuum and Venturi velocity. The high compression 4V heads will provide great power and the cam and free flowing ports will keep it coming throughout the power band. I may give up a few RPM's, but in a race it's the guy that gets there first that wins, not the one who revs the highest. Now I need to find out where to get adapters to use my Edelbrock Intake(351C-4V) with the 4V heads on the 400 block. In a prior list someone gave a name of a company in Ark, I haven't yet contacted them, but I thought Offenhauser or someone made something that I could use. Thanks to everyone for your help. Dan Lee '53 F100 400C-4V __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 19:47:47 -0500 From: Kevin Grabow Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1157 vs 2057 Actually Sylvania's numbers are a little misleading. They are exactly the same bulb, shape, wattage, volts and life. The difference is in the dimmer element (non blinking?), which on the 2057NA has 18.855 lumens compared to the 1157 which has 27.654 lumens. The difference is in the amps, which of course affects wattage, but in this case for only one element. To get a longer lasting bulb you'd need a a suffix of LL. Now that's way more info than ya need! Southerland, Rich wrote: > It is wattage. Both the 1157 and 2057 are dual filament bulbs. The 1156 is > a single. > > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ecom.sylvania.com/osicatalog/multiresult.asp?Item=36561 Spec on 1157 > lamps. > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ecom.sylvania.com/osicatalog/multiresult.asp?Item=37627 Spec on 2057 > lamps. (although this is spec for a 2057NA, which is the amber colored lamp > which is being discontinued, but should be the same watts/amps as the > clear.) > > Waay more info than you were lookin for, huh? > Happy to be of service. > Rich > > -----Original Message----- > From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com [mailto:am14 daimlerchrysler.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 1999 5:52 AM > To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com > Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1157 vs 2057 > > Ted writes: >>While I'm still awake. What's the difference between a 2057na > and > a 1157na > bulb. I changed one on my mother-in-laws G!#$! Am yesterday. After skinning > my knuckles I got it (the 2057) out and it looked fine. I replaced it with > an 1157 and everything works fine. The manual says 2057, but the 1157 seems > to be alright. > > I think the 1st set of #'s designate the candle power (wattage - brightness > - or > whatever). 11 doesn't mean 11cp nor does 20 mean 20cp, necessarily, but I'm > pretty sure that these #'s have to do with the cp. > > Azie > Ardmore, Al. > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 21:12:12 -0400 (EDT) From: crewcab altavista.net Subject: FTE 61-79 - 64 CrewCab is Rollin! Lots happening past few weeks, but unable to post due to being on a 'forbidden' free email account. New account, new news. A short version here, to be expounded upon later. I have all new tires, the new bushings and replaced springs feels GREAT! It's good to be driving the truck again. Love them bias ply tires that take many miles to warm up and lose the flat spots! Jeff '64 F100 CrewCab - ---------------------------------------------------------------- == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 21:43:37 EDT From: "Gerald Ash" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine Rebuild Update Its D&A automotive. You might call John Hamilton Jr., Sardis, Ga. or a 912 area code. I also saw where Edelbrock makes a spacer thing for this application. Good luck, it will fly and have the power to pull stumps. You now have the best of both worlds and not everyone has one like it. - ----Original Message Follows---- From: Dan Lee Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Engine Rebuild Update Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 17:39:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 >From owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com Tue Aug 24 17:51:14 1999 Received: (fordtruc localhost) by ford-trucks.com (8.8.5) id UAA14447; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 20:39:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web136.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.12]) by ford-trucks.com (8.8.5) id UAA14398; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 20:39:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: ford-trucks.com: Host web136.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.12] claimed to be web601.yahoomail.com Message-ID: Received: from [208.255.212.48] by web136.yahoomail.com; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 17:39:13 PDT Sender: owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com Precedence: bulk Before I read any of the replies to my post on engine rebuild, I swapped my 351C short block and C6 case for a 400 short block and C6 case. It will cost me a little to change cases on the C6, but I don't have to bore now. I will put rings and bearings in the 400 and use my 4V Clevland heads. I did this not because of any worry about boring (I was only going +.010 or +.020 just to clean up the cylinders), but because I wanted more cubes and longer stroke to enhance the low RPM power and provide vacuum and Venturi velocity. The high compression 4V heads will provide great power and the cam and free flowing ports will keep it coming throughout the power band. I may give up a few RPM's, but in a race it's the guy that gets there first that wins, not the one who revs the highest. Now I need to find out where to get adapters to use my Edelbrock Intake(351C-4V) with the 4V heads on the 400 block. In a prior list someone gave a name of a company in Ark, I haven't yet contacted them, but I thought Offenhauser or someone made something that I could use. Thanks to everyone for your help. Dan Lee '53 F100 400C-4V __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.msn.com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 18:46:42 -0700 From: "Christeen Bradley" Subject: FTE 61-79 - FLASHERS FIXED, NOW TRANSMISSION SHIFT SLOW On the Leak, Yes you have to pull the tranny out to replace the front seal. On the slow to shift, check out your vacuum modulator and line for leaks. It may reseal when warm and that's the only thing I've ever heard about that would cause a tranny not to shift into high. Good Luck Scott 1966 F-100 shortbox 351C == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 21:30:21 -0500 (CDT) From: Rubberducky23 webtv.net (Danny Ling) Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re 400W To get the displacement of an engine you need to multiply bore x stroke x # of cylinders x Pi (3.14). A 400M has a 4.00" bore and a 4.00" stroke and 8 cylinders. (4.00 X 4.00 X 8 X 3.14 = 401.92 CID). A 351W has a 4.00 bore and a 3.50 stroke (351.68 CID). A common build up for the 351W is to use a 400 crank in a 351W block (which requires some block modification to clear the crank counterweights and connecting rods) and a .030" overbore. With this you get a motor that displaces 404.93 (405 CID). The "427" mentioned earlier is a 351W block and a 400M crank that has been machined down to accept a Chrysler rod (this allows one to machine the crank throws off center to add a longer stroke). this is a very difficult process and requires a special piston to be cut just for the combination (I know Keith Black has the pattern for it). Laters, Danny 77 F250 Hiboy 4X4, 429 "Thunder Jet" == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 20:34:01 -0600 From: "JT Kelly" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Gear ratio Not sure what year truck your talking about but on my 69 there is a code on the tag on the jam of the driver side door. Post what that says and you can tell for sure as the tire size dictates the effective ratio. JT - -- On Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:37:48 MC wrote: >Hi guys. I've been trying to figure out the gear ratio of my old truck, >but seem to be stuck. The tag says 313 in the bottom right corner, but I >didn't believe it, so I jacked up one tire and spun the tire. I couldn't >remember whether to spin it twice, or what, but I got about 1.6 >revolutions of the driveline for 1 rev of the tire and about 3.2 revs >with 2 revs of the tire. > >So could my ratio really be 3.13? I thought that I saw a 3.50 on the tag >when I bought it, but if it is 3.13, then that would explain why it >cruised so good on the freeway, why it made such nasty noises when in >4wd(even in soft stuff), and why I exploded my transfer case over the >4th of July. > >-- >Matt Cozad >When everything's coming your way, you're in the wrong lane. > > [||||||]=[|00|]=(|/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_) > > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.angelfire.com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 22:42:30 EDT From: "Gerald Ash" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine Rebuild Update My friend I told you wrong...here is the facts. Because the M-block has a taller deck height than the 351C engine block, the M-block's cylinder heads are farther apart than the 351C's and intake manifolds designed for the 351C will not fit on the M-block engine. However, Weiand and Moroso both make adapters that will allow you to use a 351C manifold on an M-block engine. Since intake manifolds are made specifically for the M-block, the only reason you'd need the adapters is if you wanted to use the 351C 4V cylinder heads (which have much bigger intake ports than the 351C 2V or M-block heads) and a 351C 4V intake manifold. You can see this and other tech support and hotrod about the engine here. http://www.ford-trucks.com/articles/mblock.html Good luck,,, - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Gerald Ash" Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine Rebuild Update Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 21:43:37 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 >From owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com Tue Aug 24 18:48:20 1999 Received: from [192.41.63.203] by hotmail.com (2.1) with ESMTP id MHotMailB98C965E0126D82197ABC0293FCB0CF00; Tue Aug 24 18:48:20 1999 Received: (fordtruc localhost) by ford-trucks.com (8.8.5) id VAA24533; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 21:44:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (wya-lfd104.hotmail.com [207.82.252.168]) by ford-trucks.com (8.8.5) id VAA24476; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 21:44:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: ford-trucks.com: Host wya-lfd104.hotmail.com [207.82.252.168] claimed to be hotmail.com Received: (qmail 87330 invoked by uid 0); 25 Aug 1999 01:43:38 -0000 Message-ID: Received: from 209.214.181.156 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP;Tue, 24 Aug 1999 18:43:37 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.214.181.156] Sender: owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com Precedence: bulk Its D&A automotive. You might call John Hamilton Jr., Sardis, Ga. or a 912 area code. I also saw where Edelbrock makes a spacer thing for this application. Good luck, it will fly and have the power to pull stumps. You now have the best of both worlds and not everyone has one like it. - ----Original Message Follows---- From: Dan Lee Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Engine Rebuild Update Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 17:39:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 >From owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com Tue Aug 24 17:51:14 1999....To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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