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61-79-list-digest Tuesday, August 24 1999 Volume 03 : Number 297



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Re: Engine Rebuild Question
FTE 61-79 - tough shifting 4spd
Re: FTE 61-79 - tough shifting 4spd
FTE 61-79 - Friendly street match
FTE 61-79 - Gary's back
FTE 61-79 - 351C dipstick?
FTE 61-79 - where to find Kroil?
FTE 61-79 - 400W
Re: FTE 61-79 - 400W
FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79-FLASHERS FIXED, NOW TRANSMISSION SHIFT SLOW
Re: FTE 61-79 - AOD & E4OD
Re: FTE 61-79 - AOD & E4OD
Re: FTE 61-79 - AOD & E4OD
FTE 61-79 - 79 F-250 2WD 460/C6
Re: FTE 61-79 - 351C overbore
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Hypereut's and nitrous
FTE 61-79 - Turn signal bulb
Re: FTE 61-79 - 73-79 for sale ads
FTE 61-79 - E4OD and the 351W
Re: FTE 61-79 - Turn signal bulb
FTE 61-79 - Re: Book on Differentials
Re: FTE 61-79 - 429-460 Casting #'s
Re: FTE 61-79 - where to find Kroil?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Turn signal bulb

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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:39:41 -0700
From: Vogt Family
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Engine Rebuild Question

On Mon, 23 Aug 1999, "George Litton" wrote:

> P.S. Use the cast iron guides for longevity. Leave the bronze guides to
> the racers.

THANK YOU! Sometimes I feel all alone when the conversation turns to
this...

Birken
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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 18:12:40 EDT
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - tough shifting 4spd

Hey Marty,

Before you tear that 4-speed apart, try some new oil. I used 50 wt engine oil
and it made a big difference. Next time, however, I'm going to use the
synthetic tranny oil....I think Ballinger is the expert on that....but I'm
not sure.....there is some kind of Mobil product available.

I use the synthetic engine oil in all my engines and am real happy with it...

By the way, do you know how to remove the shifter out of the top? This is the
only way to add the new oil after draining the old.....let me know if you
need to know how to do this...

Maybe you'll get a few more miles out of it!

Good Luck,

CJ




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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 18:23:40 EDT
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - tough shifting 4spd

> By the way, do you know how to remove the shifter out of the top? This is
> the only way to add the new oil after draining the old.....let me know if
you
> need to know how to do this...


CJ:

Not to burst your bubble but did anyone ever show you the nice little
fill-plug that comes out on the side of the tranny....If by your comment you
meant that it works better than sliced bread to pour oil through the
top......I would still disagree....An air powered lube dispenser is the only
way to fly. No fuss no muss......Also the side plug is there for a level
indicator. (Sorry...couldn't resist fella)

Stock Man
1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible (HELP!---I need 15 x5 factory rims)
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
1966 F-250 I6 240 2wd LWB Flare Side
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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 19:10:25 -0400
From: "George W. Selby, III"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Friendly street match

On the way home from fixing the front wheel bearings in my Audi, I ran
accoss a local guy in what looked to be a 67-8 F-100 shortbed on the
highway home. I assume he had a smaller FE. Anyway before I knew it both
of our old trucks were flying down the four-lane at 100. Consensus would
say I won, because he could never catch up with me. Then I had to turn to
go home.

George Selby
78 F-150 400M, 4 on floor, 4x4
86 Audi 4000CS Quattro
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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 19:22:12 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Gary's back

>>Hi, I'm Gary and I'm a fordahaulic :-) I know everyone's forgotten me by
now but I thought I'd drop in for a spell and see what's happening with the
gang :-)

We didn't forget you. We've taken youor name in vain a few times, wondered
where the heck you were so that we could get some answers from the lift
king, but we didn't forget you!! Welcome back. woowoowoo or something like
that.

- -- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom LWB Regular Cab 351M C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!
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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:19:15 -0700
From: Mike Pacheco
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 351C dipstick?

I'm looking for a dipstick for a 351C.. any one know where I can find
one? will a dipstick from a 351W or 400 work?
Mike in Burien
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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 19:28:17 -0400
From: "Don Haring, Jr."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - where to find Kroil?

Ted Wnorowski
> While I'm thinking of it, I tried that Kroil somebody had
> mentioned. It beats WD-40 hands down. It works a little better
> than PB Blaster. The thing that sold me. The Kroil smells a
> %1000 better than the Blaster.

Where did you find Kroil? I couldn't find it around here, and even the old
timers at my parts stores didn't know what I was talking about. I have not
called any machine shops, but let me know where I should be looking. Pep
Boys, the only local place to carry PB Blaster, is out.
some exhaust manifold bolts that need a bath.

- -don

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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 19:31:15 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 400W

>>When you say 400W do you mean the 400, 335 series? I didn't know they ever
made a 400 in the windsor block?
>>Are you talking about a "stroker" Windsor?
>>400ci W ? wow, that's scarey sounding ...

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Azie, the fish are biting!!!!!

- -- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom LWB Regular Cab 351M C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 21:31:49 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 400W

In a message dated 8/23/99 5:34:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
jlagrone ford-trucks.com writes:

>

There is a way to use a 400 crank in a 351w, with mopar 360 rods, and you get
something like a 427.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 20:12:44 -0400
From: "David J. Turner"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79-FLASHERS FIXED, NOW TRANSMISSION SHIFT SLOW

Thanks to all who responded regarding slow turn signals. I found the
other flasher, (didn't realize the truck had two separate ones). Replaced
the other flasher and the signals work fine.

Another unrelated problem is slowly shifting C6. When the truck is cold,
it takes about two miles before the transmission warms up, and until it does
it will not shift into high gear. Once warm, it shifts fine. I also have a
slight leak in the front of the trans. Does it have to come out to replace
the seal?

Dave Turner
66 F1

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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 19:27:20 -0700
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - AOD & E4OD

In answer to your questions, yes the E40d was offered behind 351's as the
standard auto tranny once the c-6 was phased out ('90-'91 I think). The AOD
got electronic controls (becoming the AOD-E) in '92. As far as what year
AOD is the best, if you don't want electronic control thne a '90 or '91
would be your best bet. The AOD underwent a great many upgrades over the
years so the newer the better. If you don't mind buying a stand-alone
tranny controller then an 4R70W would be the one to get, it is an AOD-E with
a wide ratio gear set which gives it a lower first gear, always a good
thing.

Rade
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Date: Monday, August 23, 1999 10:55 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - AOD & E4OD


>Was the E4OD ever offered with the Small (351W) bolt pattern??
>
>When did the AOD change to Electronic shift???
>
>What is the strongest AOD years/vehicles???
>
>Here are the reasons for my questions: My wife has purchased a '76 F100
2wd
>styleside. It currently has a 4speed Granny geared transmission (NP435 or
T18)
>and 302 with 3.25 open 9" rear. I purchased a 351W Saturday (core) for
rebuild
>and installation, but she also wants an automatic.
>
>While I'm on the lists - Where is the best information for the 400 cu in W
>series, and which heads do I want to use. I'm looking for horsepower and
torque
>in the 1800-4800 rpm range.
>
>Azie
>Ardmore, Al.
>
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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 19:33:43 -0700
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - AOD & E4OD

Actually the 4R70W designation wasn't used until they started putting a wide
ratio gearset in the tranny.

Rade
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From: Dave Resch
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, August 23, 1999 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - AOD & E4OD


>Yo Guys:
>
>I think actual model "name" of the so-called AOD-E was actually 4R70W. It
is
>the electronically controlled automatic overdrive transmission used in cars
and
>light trucks (F150s and Broncos) after the AOD was discontinued, but I
don't
>know how much, if any, it has in common w/ the AOD.
>
>Dave R (M-block devotee)
>
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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 22:25:13 EDT
From: "Gerald Ash"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - AOD & E4OD

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.baumannengineering.com/index.htm
follow this link.....your welcome.


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In answer to your questions, yes the E40d was offered behind 351's as the
standard auto tranny once the c-6 was phased out ('90-'91 I think). The AOD
got electronic controls (becoming the AOD-E) in '92. As far as what year
AOD is the best, if you don't want electronic control thne a '90 or '91
would be your best bet. The AOD underwent a great many upgrades over the
years so the newer the better. If you don't mind buying a stand-alone
tranny controller then an 4R70W would be the one to get, it is an AOD-E with
a wide ratio gear set which gives it a lower first gear, always a good
thing.

Rade
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Cc: Perf-list Ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, August 23, 1999 10:55 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - AOD & E4OD


>Was the E4OD ever offered with the Small (351W) bolt pattern??
>
>When did the AOD change to Electronic shift???
>
>What is the strongest AOD years/vehicles???
>
>Here are the reasons for my questions: My wife has purchased a '76 F100
2wd
>styleside. It currently has a 4speed Granny geared transmission (NP435 or
T18)
>and 302 with 3.25 open 9" rear. I purchased a 351W Saturday (core) for
rebuild
>and installation, but she also wants an automatic.
>
>While I'm on the lists - Where is the best information for the 400 cu in W
>series, and which heads do I want to use. I'm looking for horsepower and
torque
>in the 1800-4800 rpm range.
>
>Azie
>Ardmore, Al.
>
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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 23:40:01 EDT
From: JefriHansn aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 79 F-250 2WD 460/C6

I have a buddy who has a 79 F-250 2WD 460/C6 Longbed for sale. Bed's
already set up for a fifth wheel. Has an aluminum cap on the back. Blue.
Runs, but he says a timing chain wouldn't hurt and a carb rebuild. He bought
it at his last duty station which was in Orgeon, so it doesn't have all that
much Chicago body cancer. He's looking for $800.00 Anyone interested -
e-mail me and I'll give him your email address.
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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 23:50:30 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351C overbore

better stay .030 or less on a 351c. unless you fill it with cement.

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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 23:56:01 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Hypereut's and nitrous

how do you identify the Hypereutectic pistons? these that i have with all the
351 w stuff that i'm trying to sell look like cast construction underneath,
but on the outside they look like forged. they are new but are not in the
original box. so i'm not sure what brand they are.

jeff grant
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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 00:05:43 -0400
From: Ted Wnorowski
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Turn signal bulb

While I'm still awake. What's the difference between a 2057na and a 1157na
bulb. I changed one on my mother-in-laws G!#$! Am yesterday. After skinning
my knuckles I got it (the 2057) out and it looked fine. I replaced it with
an 1157 and everything works fine. The manual says 2057, but the 1157 seems
to be alright.
Now it's time to go and tear the grill off "The Beast" ! (FTE content)
I needed a new radiator anyway. I had it holding with some Weldstick
until I got the money together. I was removing the front bumper and the
panel between it and the grill to get a little paint on them. There isn't
much room to swing a ratchet in there and I only tapped the radiator, or so
I thought. While grinding off a couple of bolts I saw the green drip. Now
I'm confronted with all the "might as wells". I have a new splash panel, so
I might as well put it in now. : ) While I've got the splash panel out, I
might as well do that right inner fender. : ( etc. etc.

Off I go,
Ted
Bellevue,OH
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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 00:06:48 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 73-79 for sale ads

checked out that sight, a couple of cheap crew cabs in there for 500.00, but
they're rough. they are california trucks, so they're probably solid.

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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 23:15:32 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - E4OD and the 351W

Azie wrote:

> Was the E4OD ever offered with the Small (351W) bolt pattern??

I've seen it in a '91 F250 with a 351W, so they likely used them up
until the end of the Windsor.
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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 00:15:34 EDT
From: IanBoss69 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Turn signal bulb

In a message dated 8/24/99 12:07:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
theodore ford-trucks.com writes:

> Now it's time to go and tear the grill off "The Beast" ! (FTE content)
> I needed a new radiator anyway. I had it holding with some Weldstick
> until I got the money together. I was removing the front bumper and the
> panel between it and the grill to get a little paint on them. There isn't
> much room to swing a ratchet in there and I only tapped the radiator, or
so
> I thought. While grinding off a couple of bolts I saw the green drip. Now
> I'm confronted with all the "might as wells". I have a new splash panel,
so
> I might as well put it in now. : ) While I've got the splash panel out, I
> might as well do that right inner fender. : ( etc. etc.

Ditto,
Drove a mile today, got my radiator hit with a rock,,,"oh well" as you said
need a new one anyways,,,as for the "might as well"s ,,,i might as well saw
off the old exhaust to install the new headers i have,,,,and i might as well
take off the front fenders and paint the inner fenders, radiator support and
front frame,,,,while the radiators getting redone of course,,,hehehe,,,,the
life of a truck lover,,,BTW,,,,,how in the heck do you get the "F-?50" badges
off the fenders?? without breaking them off,,,,
Tha***,,,,half up front,,,half on delivery,,,hehe:-)

Ian
79 F250 4x4 4spd 351M
members.aol.com/ianboss69/page/home.htm
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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 23:46:14 -0500
From: "Brett L. Habben"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Book on Differentials

Mark,
Can you identify any of the shrapnel as being from some piece other than
the ring and pinion? Spider gears? Bearings? All it takes is one chunk
making it's way into the ring and pinion and they're toast. Also, is
there any play in the pinion? Could be pinion bearings or the crush
sleeve (if used).
Do you have access to a local library? I went and photo-copied the
rebuild sections from a couple of different sources; Chiltons, Motor,
Haynes, etc. and then went home and studied them all until I understood
the concepts before I did the rear Dana 44 in my J**p. The worst part is
dealing with the shim packs behind the carrier bearings; press the
bearings off, move the shims, press the bearings back on; check the
pattern again, repeat until right.
As far as parts go, the factory Dana and Timken parts are pretty tough.
I've ordered parts through Reider Racing and DTS with satisfaction.
Good Luck,
Brett
Super75cab

>I pulled the cover off and found I have two broken teeth on one
>differential pinion gear and one on the other. Anyone know what would
cause this type
>of failure?
>Since I would rather buy more tools than pay someone else to rebuild the

>axle, I have decided to try it myself. The Ford service manual has a
>description for disassembling, assembling, and setting up the axle. I
am
>finding it a little hard to read.
>Does anyone know of a good book on this sort of thing?
>Mark
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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 01:08:58 EDT
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 429-460 Casting #'s

In a message dated 8/23/1999 10:26:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
mrsupersport angelfire.com writes:


time finding Ford numbers. A buddy of mine has either a 429 or 460 and he is
now thinking getting it built it to put in a truck and we need to be sure of
what we have and the chamber size of the heads so I can get the pistons.
Here are the numbers mabey one of you can help: Block # - C9VE-B and the
Heads - C8VE-E.

Th >>
You have 1968 heads used in both 429s and 460s that have 75.8 cc volume
chambers. In other words these heads are high compression. As for the
block, C9 means 1969, 429s / 460s & 429CJs use the same block there is
absolutely no difference, however, all of the castings will indicate 460,
even the 429s. The difference is in the crank shaft, the 460 stroke is one
eight inch more than the 429. There is really only one way to determine
which engine you have, look at the crank the 429 will have a casting number
that has a U in it and the 460 will have a Y in it. If you are very careful
you might be able to guessimate the one eight inch difference using a dowel
in a plug hole and rotating the engine.
Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460
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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 02:32:38 -0400
From: Ted Wnorowski
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - where to find Kroil?

I don't think this made it through the first time. Sorry if it
did.
Try this: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.kanolabs.com/home.html I don't think they
sell over the counter. I ordered through this site. I think it took about 3
days.
They had a deal, where you buy a gallon, you get a 16oz aerosol
can and a squirt can to use with the gallon. If I remember, it was about
$26 with shipping.

Ted Wnorowski
Bellevue,OH







At 07:28 PM 8/23/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Ted Wnorowski
> > While I'm thinking of it, I tried that Kroil somebody had
> > mentioned. It beats WD-40 hands down. It works a little better
> > than PB Blaster. The thing that sold me. The Kroil smells a
> > %1000 better than the Blaster.
>
>Where did you find Kroil? I couldn't find it around here, and even the old
>timers at my parts stores didn't know what I was talking about. I have not
>called any machine shops, but let me know where I should be looking. Pep
>Boys, the only local place to carry PB Blaster, is out.
>some exhaust manifold bolts that need a bath.
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>-don
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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 03:08:02 -0400
From: Ted Wnorowski
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Turn signal bulb

I've got a '64 F-250. It came with no trim except 2 beat up pieces
on the bed, and the 2 tiny cab corner pieces. I'm waiting on some trim I
bought from a guy in Calgary. He had the 4 Ford letters for up front. The
hood emblem. (That makes 4 of 'em now.) And the hood side trim with F-100
inserts for around $78.
I've got it torn down to the splash panel tonight(core support). I
don't see how the radiator stayed in there this whole time. These Ohio
winters are rough on sheet metal.

Ted Wnorowski
Bellevue,OH
' 64 F-250
352 transplant
4 speed....

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