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61-79-list-digest Tuesday, August 17 1999 Volume 03 : Number 288



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In this issue:

RE: FTE 61-79 - truck needs mods
RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Flatbeds
FTE 61-79 - Custom '74 - Midnite Hauler
Re: FTE 61-79 - Web page updated with 4 new pics
FTE 61-79 - FMX to AOD or E4OD
FTE 61-79 - Gas tankarama
Re: FTE 61-79 - 351M
Re: FTE 61-79 - 351M
FTE 61-79 - STEREO SYSTEMS???
Re: FTE 61-79 - Stop the Mill. 400 pistons 9:1
RE: FTE 61-79 - Web page updated with 4 new pics
FTE 61-79 - frame mounts
FTE 61-79 - Remove tranny/xfer case
FTE 61-79 - Bill Beyer ?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Remove tranny/xfer case
Re: FTE 61-79 - Bill Beyer ?
RE: FTE 61-79 - Finally, Some PICs
FTE 61-79 - Stuff, wiring
FTE 61-79 - 400 performance
Re: FTE 61-79 - STEREO SYSTEMS???
Re: FTE 61-79 - 400 performance
FTE 61-79 - FE intake #
Re: FTE 61-79 - 400 performance
FTE 61-79 - more air conditioning
RE: FTE 61-79 - FE intake #
RE: FTE 61-79 - more air conditioning
FTE 61-79 - Slumbering van is fully awake!
FTE 61-79 - Columbus Ohio List Members?
RE: FTE 61-79 - Columbus Ohio List Members?
Re: FTE 61-79 -Ford Braggin'
RE: FTE 61-79 - Columbus Ohio List Members?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Columbus Ohio List Members?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Flatbeds
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Flatbeds
FTE 61-79 - 1976 f250 4x4 for sale in georgia
FTE 61-79 - 71 Bronco gearbox leaking
Re: FTE 61-79 - 400 performance
Re: FTE 61-79 - Web page updated with 4 new pics
FTE 61-79 - Jumpin the Mudder :o)
Re: FTE 61-79 - Jumpin the Mudder :o)
Re: FTE 61-79 - more air conditioning
Re: FTE 61-79 - more air conditioning

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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 08:32:30 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - truck needs mods

> What I am
> looking for is some kind of engine mods to put this mud truck up
> to around
> 350 ponies from bone stock.

Uhm, that's a pretty tall order for a 302, over 1hp per cubic inch ...
definitely a good idea to post this to the performance list as well and get
some ideas. What rpm band are you hoping to create this power at ? Are you
going stock carbureted, or looking to swap to a fuelie motor ? I would
guess with a big cam, a huge intake and an open long header exhaust in
addition to a bit higher compression (and premium if not race fuel) you
could probably put that kind of power out around 5G's+ ... if you're talkin
gross crank hp, that won't be too tall of an order ... if you're talkin rear
wheel, its a lot taller, and you will likely lose a lot of low end torque
...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 08:33:27 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Flatbeds

> Cresco in Iowa also makes one but I
> don't know where you'd get a deal.


Hey that's the name of the company ... they're only a couple hours from here
if I remember right, down in the southern, slightly eastern portion of the
state, only passed em once in a while ...

Just my $.02
wish

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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 08:52:51 -0500
From: "Brian C Nyman"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Custom '74 - Midnite Hauler

My uncle bought a F100 pickup (new) that came from the dealer with a series of
decals and options. My understanding is that it was a Ford special (today in MN
we have a "Northland" edition F150). I'm sure most of these options are just
highly publicized packages detailed at the dealer.

Anyway. Has anyone ever heard of a "Midnite Hauler" ? Any ideas on how to get
my hands on these decals this far after market ?

Brian Nyman
bnyman allina.com

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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 09:59:34 -0400
From: kpayne ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Web page updated with 4 new pics

Stu Varner wrote:
>
>
> For those interested, I had my web page updated by Mr. Tony "The Kid"
> Marino tonight. Thanks Tony!
> New pics under the restoration section include:

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Stu,

That truck sure looks like its going to be sharp! It was
a good looking ride to begin with, it'll be a head
turner!

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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 09:50:04 -0500
From: pdesanto Cinergy.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FMX to AOD or E4OD

> Sorry if this is a little late, but I've been gone a few days. Some one
> was asking about
> putting an Ford automatic OD behind an older engine, and I can't remember
> who.....
>
> If you want to use an E4OD, (which was used from 88 on ) it is
> definitely
> a completely electronically controlled tranny. The switch on the side
> that looks similar to a neutral safety switch is the Manual Lever
> Position Switch ( MLPS ). There are 6 leads inside that harness, one of
> which goes to the Electronic Shift Control Module (ESCM). The ESCM also
> gets inputs from the Transfer case and 4wd shift control switch (if 4x4).
> The Computer uses all this input ( speed, gear selected, transfer case
> position, throttle position, vacuum, etc, ) to totally control gear
> selection, line pressure, converter lock up, etc. That's why you HAVE to
> buy a seperate controller if you want to install this transmission in an
> older vehicle.
> The earlier AOD's, did not have a ESCM but used a
> mechanical throttle valve, along with governor speed, for load sensing (
> shift control ).
> It makes the old ones a little easier and cheaper to put in an older
> vehicle, but
> there "Stock" durability is nothing like a C-6, or even a well built C-4.
> If you want an AOD that will hold up, you need to buy one from a
> reputable aftermarket builder that can put some beef in em. Art Carr,
> Lentech, B&M, Baumann Eng. etc. Phil
>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.Baumannengineering.com
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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:52:23 -0400
From: James Oxley
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Gas tankarama

Hi all

I have a 32 gallon gas tank from a 79 Bronc that I want to put in my
78. Is the output of all the fuel gauge senders the same between the std
and large tanks?

OX
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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 09:08:07 -0600
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351M

>From: James Oxley
>Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351M
>
>> The only "high-compression" piston I am aware of
>> for the 351M is the Federal Mogul TRW #L2466F
>> forged piston. Fed Mogul claims it raises
>> compression ratio on a stock 351M to 8.6:1,
>
>To???. I thought stock compr. was like 8.4? Was it
>lower than that??
>Any lower and it could be a blower motor :-)

Yo Ox:

Stock compression on the 351M is advertised as 8.0:1. Stock compression on the
400 is advertised as 8.4:1.

Sorry, dude.

Dave R. (M-block devotee)


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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:26:43 -0400
From: James Oxley
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351M

Dave Resch wrote:
>
> >From: James Oxley
> >Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351M
> >
> >> The only "high-compression" piston I am aware of
> >> for the 351M is the Federal Mogul TRW #L2466F
> >> forged piston. Fed Mogul claims it raises
> >> compression ratio on a stock 351M to 8.6:1,
> >
> >To???. I thought stock compr. was like 8.4? Was it
> >lower than that??
> >Any lower and it could be a blower motor :-)
>
> Yo Ox:
>
> Stock compression on the 351M is advertised as 8.0:1. Stock compression on the
> 400 is advertised as 8.4:1.
>
> Sorry, dude.
>

So that means even if I go with stock pistons on the 400, it'll be a
decent compr increase along with the 50 cubes. Cool!!. Thanks Mr M-block
:-).

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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:28:02 EDT
From: Bad4dFilly aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - STEREO SYSTEMS???

Hey y'all! I am gonna be gettin a stereo system for my truck this week
but I don't know too much about this kinda stuff. Can y'all give me
any advice on what are some quality products that are affordable? I am
getting a single disc CD player and a box to put behind my seat. I gotta be
able to bump my country music hehe! Thanks y'all! =)

*~*~Lisa and Envy~*~*
*~*~SIlly boys...trucks are for GIRLS!~*~*
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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:31:00 -0400
From: James Oxley
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Stop the Mill. 400 pistons 9:1

Dale Frenz wrote:
>
> Jeeez..... you guys are just mill happy. I can tell ya' where to get
> replacement pistons for a 400 that are flat tops with 9:1 compression right
> now. Im not talking about any fancy head shaving or anything. Just stick
> 'em in your motor and go. If anybody is interested I can dig out the
> information. I've got the company catalog. One catch is you have to get 'em
> thru a supply house and not factory direct. There's a engine rebuilder
> supply here that I can get these pistons over the counter.
>
> Dale
>

I'd be interested in these too. Who makes them? How much? Forged?

OX
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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:30:47 -0700
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Web page updated with 4 new pics

> Stu Varner wrote:
> >
> >
> > For those interested, I had my web page updated by Mr. Tony "The Kid"
> > Marino tonight. Thanks Tony!
> > New pics under the restoration section include:
>
> -snip-
>
> Stu,
>
It's been said that a thing of beauty is a joy forever. This truck
could be displayed next to any other fine work of art. The bonus is you'll
get to use and enjoy it every day.

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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:33:29 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - frame mounts

Dave R. (M block devotee) writes: >>I think the '77-'79 4x2 and 4x4 frames are
different, but I don't
know if the 4x2 engine mounts will work in the 4x4 frame.

The stanchions are different between 2X4 and 4X4.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:48:32 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Remove tranny/xfer case

Joe writes: >>I do have the crossmember intact
under the trans it looks like it unbolts on the bottom but it also looks
like it goes up in the frame????Is this a removable crossmember????is
this whats holding it up??

Gotta remove that crossmember. It is bolted at the top, and if I remember
correctly the bolts are inserted from the top with nuts on the bottom and the
cab is too close to remove them without slight modifications(read this as
bending the cab floor sheetmetal upward).. A real pain in the butt... but can
be done with the right pry bar....

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1993 12:59:34 -0500
From: "don"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Bill Beyer ?

Bill, my computer went down and I have lost your address. If you could email
me about what you sent me so I can take care of that .
donb ficom.net

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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:00:50 -0400
From: James Oxley
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Remove tranny/xfer case

am14 daimlerchrysler.com wrote:
>
> Joe writes: >>I do have the crossmember intact
> under the trans it looks like it unbolts on the bottom but it also looks
> like it goes up in the frame????Is this a removable crossmember????is
> this whats holding it up??
>
> Gotta remove that crossmember. It is bolted at the top, and if I remember
> correctly the bolts are inserted from the top with nuts on the bottom and the
> cab is too close to remove them without slight modifications(read this as
> bending the cab floor sheetmetal upward).. A real pain in the butt... but can
> be done with the right pry bar....
>

New body mounts help, a body lift is the ultimate fix for this (or
holes drilled throught he floor).

OX
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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:11:41 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Bill Beyer ?

Don,

My address is:

Bill Beyer
540 E Heritage Loop
La Center, WA 98629

$6.45 for packaging & shipping. Did it arrive?

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

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From: don
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, August 16, 1999 11:01 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Bill Beyer ?


>Bill, my computer went down and I have lost your address. If you could
email
>me about what you sent me so I can take care of that .
>donb ficom.net
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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:22:07 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Finally, Some PICs

> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.users.snip.net/~bjones/what.htm follow links to page2
> and page3
> for newest pics.
>

should that be http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://users.snip.net/~bjones/what.htm ? I couldn't get the
WWW part to work on it and I was afraid the net was half down for me again
... man that's gettin way too common.


The truck looks good, hopefully we'll get to see some completed pics of it
... :) don't forget to write down what parts are what, you'll remember them
fine now, but in 5 years when something breaks you'll be back to where you
started! :) ask me how I know ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:41:51 EDT
From: "Joe Swinko"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Stuff, wiring

Hey all.
I'm a lurker, some might remember me. I have a 66 f-100 that desprately
needs to be wired and I was wondering if anyone has looked into Ron Francis
wire works for thier wiring kit.
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.wire-works.com
Let me know what you think


as an update, I bougt some bucket seats for $40/pair from a junk..... er..
automotive recycling center that were in very good shape.I am replacing the
floors in my truck, 1/2 done. my drive shaft needs to be shortened,shift
linkage needs to be hooked up, seats put in, engine needs to be timed and
tuned, exhaust hooked up (although it does sound VERY cool with open headers
;-), trans cooler hooked up


Things that are complete: brakes,engine dress up,new radiator installed
hoses hooked up

I'm in digest so be patient please,
Thanks
Joe Swinko
66 f-100 street rod project


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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:04:00 -0600
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 400 performance

>From: GMontgo930 aol.com
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - (no subject)
>
>Here's what I have in mind and let yall see if it
>makes sense and what yall think it'll do. I'm
>after Torque (with a peak around 3000-3500
>rpm) and improved gas mileage (something
>over the 8-10 MPG she's always averaged). I
>want a good pulling daily driver that runs on
>regular (87 Octane) gas.

Yo George:

Torque is easy, mileage is not. Even so, w/ decent tuning and gearing, you
should be at least a little into the lower double digits.

>1. I'm planning on keeping the block as stock as
>possible. I would like to run about 9:1
>compression pistons & a high volume oil pump.

I would recommend against a high volume oil pump, unless you plan to run
full-groove race bearings w/ loose tolerances. Otherwise, the high vol pump is
overkill and it may actually introduce a weak point in an otherwise solid
foundation. I have seen a few and heard of many more problems w/ high vol pumps
blowing up. As I recall, Ox toasted a high vol pump in his M-block last year.

>I've read the info about running Cleveland pistons
>in the 400M, but would rather stick with one for a
>400M if at all possible.

I am waiting to see what Dale Frenz has to suggest. I have been looking for 9:1
400 pistons for 5 years w/ no luck. Several companies used to make them (as
direct replacements for the 1971 400), but all I know of have discontinued them.
That's why I have used 351C pistons and recommend them if you don't want to
shave the block and heads.

>I've also read about some
>oil restricters that increase the oil flow to the main
>bearings. Anybody ever tried these and
>are they any good? I'm curious.

AFAIK, these are only recommended for an engine you plan to run over 5-5.5K rpm
routinely. I have never heard of using them in a truck M-block.

>2. I'm looking at installing replacement timing
>gears vs the factory style or double roller chain.
>I've seen em in Summitt catalogue and a few
>others. The 400 seem to stretch the chains some
>and I am getting somewhat tired of replacing it.

The roller type chain should give a little more longevity, but I still think
you'll need to replace it by 75-100K miles. OTOH, gears shouldn't have that
problem (theoretically), but I don't know of anyone who's used them long-term in
an M-block, so I can't attest to their durability. The gears will set you back
about 4 times the cost of a top-quality roller chain set, though.

>3. My camshaft of choice is a strong RV model.
>My last 400 had one by Blue Racer with .490 Lift
>and ~280 duration (if memory serves me right)
>and appropriate valve springs.

I like a little less total duration and a little more lift. I think you'd get
even better torque output, especially at low revs, w/out sacrificing much (if
any) higher rpm power. The numbers I like are intake duration 0.050" of 210
to 225 degrees, exhaust duration 0.050" of 215 to 230 degrees, lobe separation
minimum 110 degrees, and gross lift of 0.490" to 0.530".

>4. A set of roller rockers, Brand & exact style still
>undetermined though.

Although pricey, I think the ultimate in long-term durability (i.e.,
reliability) are the Comp Cams Pro Magnums. You can get less expensive pieces,
but I don't think the aluminum parts would hold up like steel ones.

>5. New pushrods, something that wont bend and
>maybe some guide plates as
>additional insurance.

Not a bad idea, if you plan to push the engine very much. OTOH, if you build
the valvetrain properly and use roller rockers, you should have less likelihood
of bending pushrods. If you go w/ a high lift cam, you must get the correct
valve springs. Stock M-block valve springs in spec will bind at 0.490" lift.
To be on the safe side, I wouldn't use stock-type springs w/ a lift over 0.450".

>6. I might do some mild port work on the heads
>in addition to the standard reworking.

A little is all it takes. I think basic clean-up, smoothing out the Thermactor
bumps, and "gasket matching" is as far as you need to go for a cost effective,
powerful M-block.

>7. A strong high output coil, Accell solid core
>wires, and Splitfire plugs. I plan on keeping
>the stock Duraspark ignition system as it's
>been working well all these years.

The only item I'd drop is the Splitfire plugs. I don't think they're cost
effective. I've always had the best results w/ plain old Autolites.

Good luck.

Dave R. (M-block devotee)


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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:02:01 EDT
From: TWL1911 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - STEREO SYSTEMS???

Hey
well im no "expert" on cd players but i do know that you want to get a good
cd player because if you have a rough riding truck its gonna skip all the
time. i suggest a clarion thats whats gonna go in my car and for subs i just
would get one bcause that will do the best in a truck seeing how there isnt
much room behind the seat. and a good amp might go with rockford fosgate as
for speakers go for the pioneers there good quality speakers and good priced,
go to www.crutchfield.com for any thing you wantto look at.hope this helps!
travis
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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:03:21 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 400 performance

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Date: Saturday, August 14, 1999 6:42 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - (no subject)



>1. I'm planning on keeping the block as stock as possible. I would like to
>run about 9:1 compression pistons & a high volume oil pump. I've read the
>info about running Cleveland pistons in the 400M, but would rather stick
with
>one for a 400M if at all possible. I've also read about some oil
restricters
>that increase the oil flow to the main bearings. Anybody ever tried these
and
>are they any good? I'm curious.

All of the restrictor kits I've seen (Roush, PAW, Jegs, etc) are for the
Cleveland bock and specifically state that they are not compatible with
hydraulic lifters. The only guy I've seen recommend them for the M blocks
runs that 73-79 Ford Trucks website and, quite frankly, I'm somewhat leery
of him.


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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:41:51 PDT
From: "MARTY COLMAN"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FE intake #

My friend and I seem to have a difference of opinion as to the type of
intake that I am putting on my 390. He thinks it is taller than normal,
like a medium rise. I think it is a plain, normal low rise intake.

It is a cast 4V with the casting # C5AE9425C (All I can tell is it is the
C5 = '65 model). Is there any way I can tell what this is off of and if it
is a low or medium rise?

Thanks for your help.

Marty
'73 F100 390


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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:43:13 -0400
From: James Oxley
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 400 performance

Dave Resch wrote:
>

> I would recommend against a high volume oil pump, unless you plan to run
> full-groove race bearings w/ loose tolerances. Otherwise, the high vol pump is
> overkill and it may actually introduce a weak point in an otherwise solid
> foundation. I have seen a few and heard of many more problems w/ high vol pumps
> blowing up. As I recall, Ox toasted a high vol pump in his M-block last year.
>

Yup, brand new Melling HV seized up in 70 miles. 1000 miles on a
stocker since then with no problems. Only reason I replaced the pump to
begin with is I had to do and rear main seal.

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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:48:46 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - more air conditioning

OK gang, I am going to take my prior knowlege and what you guys and gals
have taugt me about air conditioning and fix the air on my wife's Towncar.
The shop wanted $900 to replace a bunch of stuff that doesn't need
replacing, so I have a big budget for errors. Want to bet I can bring it in
for under $200? $300?

FTE content: We now cruise around town in my air conditioned F150. :-)

- -- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom LWB Regular Cab 351M C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!
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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:50:25 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - FE intake #

> My friend and I seem to have a difference of opinion as to the type of
> intake that I am putting on my 390. He thinks it is taller than normal,
> like a medium rise. I think it is a plain, normal low rise intake.
>
> It is a cast 4V with the casting # C5AE9425C (All I can tell is
> it is the
> C5 = '65 model). Is there any way I can tell what this is off
> of and if it
> is a low or medium rise?
>

Boy are you in luck :

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ranger3.cc.iastate.edu/rebuild.html

take a look at the intake section about half way down, it will tell you the
difference between the one you have and the one that was on it originally
....

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 18:41:36 -0500
From: Jeff Lester
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - more air conditioning

Hey John,

Perhaps we can pool our intellectual resources, and fix both of our
ac units. I'm suffering through these south Texas days, too. I'll
have to fix the van's ac when I get it back, before I can truly enjoy
driving it again. I had the refrigerant checked around the first of
the year, and when I drove it this past weekend, it just wasn't
kicking out much cold air. Where do we start????

Jeff Lester - La Porte, Texas
78 Ford E350 4x4, 460, C6, NP205, D44/70, 35" BFG MT's
http://www.ford-trucks.com/pictorial/big/1978_e350_1.html

On Monday, August 16, 1999 3:49 PM, John LaGrone [SMTP:jlagrone ford-trucks.com] wrote:
> OK gang, I am going to take my prior knowlege and what you guys and gals
> have taugt me about air conditioning and fix the air on my wife's Towncar.
> The shop wanted $900 to replace a bunch of stuff that doesn't need
> replacing, so I have a big budget for errors. Want to bet I can bring it in
> for under $200? $300?
>
> FTE content: We now cruise around town in my air conditioned F150. :-)
>
> -- John
[snip]
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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:57:35 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Slumbering van is fully awake!

Forwarded for: "Southerland, Rich"

Just a quick update on the '77 E150 we got for free (had been sitting for 4
years)...

Got all the lights and flashers working. Had to replace both sockets on
left side. 12v going in, but only 2v coming out. New sockets ($5 each)
fixed that. Self-c*ncel of turn signals doesn't work. Nothing looks
broken. Any ideas?

Took it into smog test station Saturday. Expected it to fail. Came back to
see how bad and the guy told me it passed. Said it ran cleaner than most
vehicles that are 10 years newer! Woo-hoo! Total cash outlay so far, $425
and that includes a stereo! Van has only 111K on it and drives great.

Felt great putting on my 2000 tags! Another one saved from the scrapyard.
Thank you all who offered advice, it was very helpful. I will be asking
more questions as I can now move towards making her more user-friendly.

Thanks again.
Rich


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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:10:17 EDT
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Columbus Ohio List Members?

Anyone on the list live in or around Columbus?

If so, the old free breakfast (or lunch) deal is open for this
Wednesday....if your truck is running, I'll pay for the meal....

Please send me message offline with a number I can call.....

Colorado Jeff (CJ)
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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:22:49 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Columbus Ohio List Members?

> Wednesday....if your truck is running, I'll pay for the meal....
>
Oh sure, now you have to have the truck RUNNING ... ;)

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 17:32:49 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 -Ford Braggin'

Thanks for your message at 12:33 PM 8/14/99 -0700, Daniel DiMartino. Your
message was:
>dennis:
>
>do your neighbors speek to you with all those cars in your
>yard?? how many are on blocks and which ones actually run??
>
Only the neighbors that matter (See Levi's Cars & Trucks). I have many
trees around my backyard (Not bad for living in the desert). They are all
running except the '62 with no engine (yet) and the Falcon needs rear
brakes (I mean there are no brakes, shoes, springs...anything! The previous
owners were driving around with only front brakes!). And yesterday I just
bought a 1950 Pl*m**th 2-dr...

I admit I am running out of room. Something has to go...I know, the Rabbit
COnvertible--oops! that's my wife's...maybe the Unibody large rear window
w/ 351C? I would still have two Ford Trucks (more than any man deserves,
really). How do you spell "car-poor"?
Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA
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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:35:20 -0400
From: Tony Marino
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Columbus Ohio List Members?

At 07:22 PM 8/16/99 -0500, you wrote:
> > Wednesday....if your truck is running, I'll pay for the meal....
> >
>Oh sure, now you have to have the truck RUNNING ... ;)
>
>Just my $.02
>wish

YUP!!! The silly silly silly boy never looked at me the whole time! All
he wanted to do was look at my trucks!!! 8-)

Tony "Maniac" Marino
tony pscico.com
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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:46:23 -0500
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Columbus Ohio List Members?

>Anyone on the list live in or around Columbus?
>
>If so, the old free breakfast (or lunch) deal is open for this
>Wednesday....if your truck is running, I'll pay for the meal....

CJ-

I see now why you did not bother buying my meal!!! Geez, a truck has to be
running to get grub!
How cheap can a guy be?!?! 8^) hehehehe

Stu
Nuke GM!
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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 23:35:22 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Flatbeds

i'll sell you a flatbed, but i'm in georgia. i rep for a manufacture.

jeff grant
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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 23:39:55 EDT
From: TWL1911 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Flatbeds

hey how much would a plain jane flatbed cost
travis
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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 23:52:01 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1976 f250 4x4 for sale in georgia

saw an ad today in the local paper. 1976 ford f250 4x4, 390 runs good, 35"
tires,
i don't think it mentioned trans, 1995.00 obo. if anyone wants the number let
me know. also there is a 76 supercab f250 nearby for 1500.00

jeff grant
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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:54:50 -0700
From: "Kory A. Kneeland"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 71 Bronco gearbox leaking

Thanks tons Gene! Just a couple or so months ago I added 90W to my gearbox
too. No one could explain why my Chilton's said both 90W and grease, one in
one place - the other in another section. I asked the local Ford dealer and
they suggested 90W so that's what I added. I've noticed some chatter in the
steering wheel at all speeds intermittently, and a lot of vibration upwards
of 65 mph. Let me know if you have any suggestions.

Deputy
kakneeland home.com
71 BE w/302

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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 00:07:21 EDT
From: GMontgo930 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 400 performance

Kool. Sounds like I wasn't too far off track (though in a few area's I was
gonna make the parts guys richer). And lest I forget, Thanks allot for your
input Dave. In a nutshell, you're saying 9:1 cr pistons, healthy cam (hi lift
/ short dur) and maybe some head cleanup.

What I found interesting is the warnings against the HV oil pump. I ran one
in my old 400 for 35k miles with no problems with stock cleavite bearings
(till the #2 intake pushrod bent & ejected the lifter). In fact, that pump is
now running in the replacement 400 Ive installed. My old 302 (from years ago)
also ran one well for a long time (60k miles). My only reason for doing so is
to ensure plenty of oil is available. What is the weakness you're referring
to introducing by doing so?

Like I said in the intro, I dont want a hi revving engine. I want something
that's got lots of torque for pulling and if I get a few extra Mpg's to boot,
so much the better. My preference for the torque peak is ideally 3000 rpms as
that's where it cruises at on the freeway when doing 70.



In a message dated 8/16/99 2:56:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Dave.Resch sybase.com writes:



Torque is easy, mileage is not. Even so, w/ decent tuning and gearing, you
should be at least a little into the lower double digits.

>1. I'm planning on keeping the block as stock as
>possible. I would like to run about 9:1
>compression pistons & a high volume oil pump.

I would recommend against a high volume oil pump, unless you plan to run
full-groove race bearings w/ loose tolerances. Otherwise, the high vol pump
is
overkill and it may actually introduce a weak point in an otherwise solid
foundation. I have seen a few and heard of many more problems w/ high vol
pumps
blowing up. As I recall, Ox toasted a high vol pump in his M-block last
year.

>I've read the info about running Cleveland pistons
>in the 400M, but would rather stick with one for a
>400M if at all possible.

I am waiting to see what Dale Frenz has to suggest. I have been looking for
9:1
400 pistons for 5 years w/ no luck. Several companies used to make them (as
direct replacements for the 1971 400), but all I know of have discontinued
them.
That's why I have used 351C pistons and recommend them if you don't want to
shave the block and heads.

>I've also read about some
>oil restricters that increase the oil flow to the main
>bearings. Anybody ever tried these and
>are they any good? I'm curious.

AFAIK, these are only recommended for an engine you plan to run over 5-5.5K
rpm
routinely. I have never heard of using them in a truck M-block.

>2. I'm looking at installing replacement timing
>gears vs the factory style or double roller chain.
>I've seen em in Summitt catalogue and a few
>others. The 400 seem to stretch the chains some
>and I am getting somewhat tired of replacing it.

The roller type chain should give a little more longevity, but I still think
you'll need to replace it by 75-100K miles. OTOH, gears shouldn't have that
problem (theoretically), but I don't know of anyone who's used them
long-term in
an M-block, so I can't attest to their durability. The gears will set you
back
about 4 times the cost of a top-quality roller chain set, though.

>3. My camshaft of choice is a strong RV model.
>My last 400 had one by Blue Racer with .490 Lift
>and ~280 duration (if memory serves me right)
>and appropriate valve springs.

I like a little less total duration and a little more lift. I think you'd
get
even better torque output, especially at low revs, w/out sacrificing much (if
any) higher rpm power. The numbers I like are intake duration 0.050" of
210
to 225 degrees, exhaust duration 0.050" of 215 to 230 degrees, lobe
separation
minimum 110 degrees, and gross lift of 0.490" to 0.530".

>4. A set of roller rockers, Brand & exact style still
>undetermined though.

Although pricey, I think the ultimate in long-term durability (i.e.,
reliability) are the Comp Cams Pro Magnums. You can get less expensive
pieces,
but I don't think the aluminum parts would hold up like steel ones.

>5. New pushrods, something that wont bend and
>maybe some guide plates as
>additional insurance.

Not a bad idea, if you plan to push the engine very much. OTOH, if you build
the valvetrain properly and use roller rockers, you should have less
likelihood
of bending pushrods. If you go w/ a high lift cam, you must get the correct
valve springs. Stock M-block valve springs in spec will bind at 0.490" lift.
To be on the safe side, I wouldn't use stock-type springs w/ a lift over
0.450".

>6. I might do some mild port work on the heads
>in addition to the standard reworking.

A little is all it takes. I think basic clean-up, smoothing out the
Thermactor
bumps, and "gasket matching" is as far as you need to go for a cost
effective,
powerful M-block.

>7. A strong high output coil, Accell solid core
>wires, and Splitfire plugs. I plan on keeping
>the stock Duraspark ignition system as it's
>been working well all these years.

The only item I'd drop is the Splitfire plugs. I don't think they're cost
effective. I've always had the best results w/ plain old Autolites.

Good luck.

Dave R. (M-block devotee)
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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 00:27:59 EDT
From: IanBoss69 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Web page updated with 4 new pics

Lookin great Stu!!! wish my frame looked that good, heck my body doesnt even
look as good as your before pic! someday it might, someday, keep up the good
work, i like the head liner too, is that the stock cardboard one or a
diferent one (mines cardboard anyways, with some cloth glued to the bottom
looks like those modular ceiling panels)? Good luck with the rest of the
resto, :-)

Ian
79 F250 4x4 4spd 351M
True Blue Ford Blue
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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 21:44:42 PDT
From: "Mark Mcknight"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Jumpin the Mudder :o)

I own a 78' F-100 2wd 2 days ago when I was in the bush I accidentaly took
some air with my truck (2 feet to be exact) but when I did this it didn't
even bottom the stock suspension. It is so stock the original shocks are on
it. I am considering putting on a 16 inch travel kit but I don't know what
one I should go for. Being 15 I don't have alota cash flow so any
suggestions would be GREAT!! I was also wondering if it is good to jump this
beast. And I have a set of 35 inch Ground Hawg tires and I don't know if
they will fit under it as it is bone stock.

Thanx
Mark Mcknight
78' F-100 2wd LB


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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 00:55:33 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Jumpin the Mudder :o)

Youve reached my field there buddy. Youve got the beginings of a good jumper
there. Your best bet is to install a set of F-250 front coils, and have the....

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