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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - C6/NP205 removal
Re: FTE 61-79 - Truck Hesitates when accelerating from stop
FTE 61-79 - 71 Bronco gearbox leaking
FTE 61-79 - 460 short block
FTE 61-79 - Re: Points/Electronic ignition
Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 short block
Re: FTE 61-79 - 429 Mustangs
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Points/Electronic ignition
FTE 61-79 - truck needs mods
Re: FTE 61-79 - Stop the Mill. 400 pistons 9:1
FTE 61-79 - truck needs mods
Re: FTE 61-79 - 351M
FTE 61-79 - RV Cams
Re: FTE 61-79 - RV Cams
FTE 61-79 - Finally, Some PICs
Re: FTE 61-79 - Stop the Mill. 400 pistons 9:1
Re: FTE 61-79 - 429-460 bellhousing
FTE 61-79 - Web page updated with 4 new pics
Re: FTE 61-79 - Web page updated with 4 new pics
Re: FTE 61-79 - Super Cobra Jet
Re: FTE 61-79 - Super Cobra Jet
RE: FTE 61-79 - 429 Mustangs

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Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 08:06:32 -0400
From: luxjo thecore.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - C6/NP205 removal

Serian wrote:
>
> > I'm trying to remove a c6 and 205 tcase from a
> > 73 4x4 f100..I have all bolts out and the thing wont
> > budge...I do have the crossmember intact under
> > the trans it looks like it unbolts on the bottom but
> > it also looks like it goes up in the frame????
>
> I dont know what they did in '73, but my '79 Bronco
> has 4 attaching bolts for the plate that holds onto
> the back part of the transmission. They are readily
> visible from under the crossmember (scrape off the
> dirt !). The bolts come through from above, with
> nuts on the bottom.
>
> > Is this a removable crossmember????
>
> On my '79, it seems to not be a removable crossmember.

Yes, it is removable. There are 4 smaller bolts that bolt top edges of
cross memeber to top of frame. These bolts are a pain to get to, as body
sits right over them and nuts are inside frame, but hidden from view by
crossmember. On 1/2 tons, the rad arm brackets bolt to this crossmember,
making reinstallation of the crossmember real fun!!!. 3/4-1 ton has
brackets that bolt cross member to frame, where radius arm brackets
would normally go. These are much easier to get out than 1/2 ton.

> > is this whats holding it up??

You will have to unbolt crossmemebr to transfer bolts and most likely
remove crossmemeber as tranny will prob not clear it coming out the
back.

OX
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Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 09:22:11 -0800
From: "Matthew Schumacher"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Truck Hesitates when accelerating from stop

Garry,

I would be looking at the carb. I think that would be the power valve
leaking or not working right. Or it could be that the accelerator pump
isn't coming in right. If you find that those two things are ok, then I
would be looking into the ignition system.

schu

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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 21:37:42 -0400
From: Garry Bowling
Subject: Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 21:37:42 -0400
From: Garry Bowling
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Truck Hesitates when accelerating from stop

I to am beginning to notice that my engine is wanting to hesitate when
taking off from a stop. Starting isn't a problem nor is driving.
Occasionally when setting at a idle for long periods in hot weather I do

get vapor lock. However, I am noticing the hesitation and believe I
need to nip it in the bud so to speak before it becomes a problem.
Truck is my 67 and the engine is a 352 rebuilt with 28000 miles. Carb
is a Carter 600 4bbl. The carb is new and was installed about 5000
miles ago. I have a mechanical fuel pump.

What are some things I should immediately look at. I have changed air
filter, gas line has two inline filters due to problem that caused the
new carb. The only thing that I can think of is the pump which was
replaced when the engine was rebuilt.

Has anyone added electronic fuel pump to 67=72 truck?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

It seems when I finally think I am rounding the corner with completely
finishing this truck something else rears it ugly head. Last problem
was the rear end. I just changed the gas tank sending unit and have the
new speedometer cable housing to install. Now I have noticed this
hesitation for the last 5 or 6 days. Aaaarrghhhh it never ends.

Thanks
Garry Bowling
garrya bellsouth.net
67 F100 Longbed.

p.s. Stephen Kings Christine was on TV over the weekend. My wife gave
the truck the same name because she says its like that demon possed car.





I to am beginning to notice that my engine is wanting to hesitate when
taking off from a stop. Starting isn't a problem nor is driving.
Occasionally when setting at a idle for long periods in hot weather I do

get vapor lock. However, I am noticing the hesitation and believe I
need to nip it in the bud so to speak before it becomes a problem.
Truck is my 67 and the engine is a 352 rebuilt with 28000 miles. Carb
is a Carter 600 4bbl. The carb is new and was installed about 5000
miles ago. I have a mechanical fuel pump.

What are some things I should immediately look at. I have changed air
filter, gas line has two inline filters due to problem that caused the
new carb. The only thing that I can think of is the pump which was
replaced when the engine was rebuilt.

Has anyone added electronic fuel pump to 67=72 truck?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

It seems when I finally think I am rounding the corner with completely
finishing this truck something else rears it ugly head. Last problem
was the rear end. I just changed the gas tank sending unit and have the
new speedometer cable housing to install. Now I have noticed this
hesitation for the last 5 or 6 days. Aaaarrghhhh it never ends.

Thanks
Garry Bowling
garrya bellsouth.net
67 F100 Longbed.

p.s. Stephen Kings Christine was on TV over the weekend. My wife gave
the truck the same name because she says its like that demon possed car.





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Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 12:05:51 PDT
From: "gene gardner"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 71 Bronco gearbox leaking

>I found that gear oil was all over the underside of the gear
>box.  No loose nuts or leaks from the topside, it's all on the >underneath
>.Do I need a new gearbox? 

This happened with my '70 when I filled the gearbox with 90W. Turns out that
type of gearbox uses grease. Waited until most of the oil had finished
leaking, cleaned it up, added grease -- no more problems.


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Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 15:39:36 CDT
From: "Shane Bevel"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 460 short block

Does anyone out there in the DFW area have a 460 short block that they need
to get rid of? I have a sweet deal on a '79 4x4 that has a knock in it. The
guy wants $250!!! The truck is set up pretty well. Rancho lift and shocks,
Comp 40 fuel system, Flowmasters, alum intake. All the goodies. Body looks
like hell though!!

Later, Shane


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Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 16:28:58 -0500
From: "Brett L. Habben"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Points/Electronic ignition

Darrell,
I can't wait to hear the review of this combo. Your experience will
influence how I build my 300. Where'd you get the cool swirl top
pistons? If it's Clifford then it's high time I buy a new catalog.
Anyway, if he's not racing this thing my wallet votes for the Ford '77 to
'83(?) dist. because you can hopefully find one cheaper than the combined
cost of the older points dist. plus the pertronix conversion and you can
get Duraspark II parts anywhere anytime. If the Duraspark II box isn't
enough for you can always leave it hanging on the fenderwell as an
emergency backup and use an MSD box with the stock Ford dist. pickup.
The '77-up dist. is already set up for a hotter spark with the larger
plug wires, better cap, etc. I also vaguely remember something about the
'84 up coils being hotter so don't just toss that coil.
Happy inline'n,
Brett
Super75cab
> It has the good ole 300 six, and I tell ya, It ran great. But he got
>the bug for more power, so we decided to tear into it. Weve bored it
.030,
>milled the head .030, got these killer pistons that have a lil swirl in
the
>top to help mix the fuel and air, a Clifford 4bbl intake, dual header,
and
>the stage 1 cam. Its in the process of going together as we speak. Our

>Primary concern is going to be ignition. The 84 model has that damn
ignition
>that requires a computer to function right, and with all the mods were
doing,
>it wont be 100%. Were thinking of gettin a dist from a mid 70's and
using it
>in conjunction with an MSD. But I was just thinkin, why not go with one
from
>the early 70s and just get a pertronics.
>Darrell Duggan

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Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 17:59:45 EDT
From: IanBoss69 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 short block

Bodys can be replaced...

Ian
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Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 18:01:54 EDT
From: IanBoss69 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 429 Mustangs

In a message dated 8/14/99 8:04:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ballingr ldd.net
writes:

> As for Mustangs, I didn't think Ford installed big blocks in the Mustang
(or
> > Cougar) after the 1970 model year. I thought the 429SCJ engine was a
> Torino (&
> > Montego? Cyclone? whatever) only item.
>

Don't forget the 428 and 390 big blocks,,,or what i think of as big blocks,
FE's whatever, 390's were in 67-68, and 428 came in 68...

Ian
79 F250 4x4 4spd 351M
True Blue Ford Blue
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Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 18:04:23 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Points/Electronic ignition

Thanks for your input. Today was spent installing the cam, and associated
parts. Did a lot of the painting today too. Instead of the standard ford
blue, we are going with a black block and heads (dont forget to use brass
freeze plugs, they look so much better). The various brackets will also be
black. But all the accessories, the valve and timings covers, and oil pan
are going to be Ford Red to match the body of the truck. Looks really sharp.
I'll have to get some photos of it when complete and have them ready for
down load.

As far as the Pistons go, they are plain jane cast pistons my machine shop
got for me. But they have the lil swirl cast into the outside. I thought
this was really trick. Seeing how they were just some cheap pistons, I
believe these to be the stock piston Ford used in the last years of the big
six. I can check for ya.

As far as ignition goes, hes decided to get the Mallory Distributor, and fire
it with an MSD box. I guess we'll have to see how it works huh? I'll keep
ya all informed. But as it stands now, these bad lil engine will probably
out do all of our expectations.

See ya out there
Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 15:10:43 PDT
From: "Mark Mcknight"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - truck needs mods

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Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 18:12:10 EDT
From: IanBoss69 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Stop the Mill. 400 pistons 9:1

In a message dated 8/14/99 10:40:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, frenz.6 osu.edu
writes:

> Jeeez..... you guys are just mill happy. I can tell ya' where to get
> replacement pistons for a 400 that are flat tops with 9:1 compression right
> now. Im not talking about any fancy head shaving or anything. Just stick
> 'em in your motor and go. If anybody is interested I can dig out the
> information. I've got the company catalog. One catch is you have to get 'em
> thru a supply house and not factory direct. There's a engine rebuilder
> supply here that I can get these pistons over the counter.
i'd like some info if you don't mind

Ian
79 F250 4x4 4spd 351M (I've located a usable 400 crank so i think im going
with that)
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Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 15:14:30 PDT
From: "Mark Mcknight"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - truck needs mods

I own a 78 ford F-100 long box pickup with a stock 302 2bbl with a 3 speed
auto tranny. Lately I have been noticing a decrease in horsepower and when
I really step on the gas it is fine until it hits 3rd gear then it seems to
jerk and shudder... I have a borg warner T-5 tranny and I am considering
poping it in while the truck is under the knife so too speak. What I am
looking for is some kind of engine mods to put this mud truck up to around
350 ponies from bone stock. Any info or pages with mods on it would be a
great help.... thanx Mark :O)


Ford F-100 2x4 2bbl


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Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 18:16:52 EDT
From: IanBoss69 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351M

In a message dated 8/14/99 10:33:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
wish iastate.edu writes:

> > I'm thinking of using the Edelbrock Performer Intake/cam combo,
> > hope that
> > clears it up,
> >
> Yup, that's pretty specific :) I'm not sure how most motors react to that,
> it almost seems like a "generic" solution to hp.
i also picked up a holly 650 double pumper for 50 bucks today at the M*par
Nationals,,,,so Im set when i get the manifold,,,,and a carb rebuild kit of
course.

Ian
79 F250 4x4 4spd 351M
True Blue Ford Blue
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Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 19:02:22 -0700
From: "O'Connor"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RV Cams

What's a RV Cam? Tim
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Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 20:20:22 -0400
From: "Ray Taschenberger"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RV Cams

Tim, A RV cam is a cam that causes the engine to develop it's power at a low
RPM. ---"Pullin' Power"

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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 18:58:09 -0400
From: "Brad Jones"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Finally, Some PICs

I finally got some time to post some pics of the '66 F350 cab mounted on my
'65 F100 frame. Not much on the truck is original, probably only the frame,
so this is just for fun and not show. Since it is a shorty, I put an '84
ranger bed on it and will make side boards like the old powerwagons had to
make up the width (about 6 inches on both sides). Sorry about the page load
times. I will have to crop and resave the pics when I have more time.
Brad
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.users.snip.net/~bjones/what.htm follow links to page2 and page3
for newest pics.

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Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 23:26:02 EDT
From: GMontgo930 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Stop the Mill. 400 pistons 9:1

In a message dated 8/15/99 6:14:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
IanBoss69 aol.com writes:

Jeeez..... you guys are just mill happy. I can tell ya' where to get
> replacement pistons for a 400 that are flat tops with 9:1 compression
right
> now. Im not talking about any fancy head shaving or anything. Just stick
> 'em in your motor and go. If anybody is interested I can dig out the
> information. I've got the company catalog. One catch is you have to get
'em
> thru a supply house and not factory direct. There's a engine rebuilder
> supply here that I can get these pistons over the counter. >>

Please do tell. Ive got a 400 block just itchen for some good innerds and a
second lease on life!
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Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 23:37:42 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 429-460 bellhousing

i maybe a little late on this one, been on vacation. but, when i put the four
speed in my truck with a 429 i used a 390 flywheel and a 351 m bellhousing, i
was told to be sure to use two of the block plates, to avoid clutch
engagement problems, so i did and had no problems whatso ever, anyone else
ever heard of this?
and while on the subject, i recommend centerforce clutches, i
used the dual friction and it has lighter pedal pressure than stock, and i
have truck pulled with it several times and drive it regular with no problems.

jeff grant
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Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:54:22 -0500
From: Stu Varner
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Web page updated with 4 new pics


For those interested, I had my web page updated by Mr. Tony "The Kid"
Marino tonight. Thanks Tony!
New pics under the restoration section include:

1. Pic of the tailgate - color is a little off, in reality it is much
lighter in color than is shown
2. The front of the motor - please notice the official FoMoCo "OK"
inspection paint stamp on the drivers side valve cover
3. Rear view of the engine and tranny - yes, the NP 435 was originally that
shade of red/orange
4. My neighbor John doing a little engine building - he does have a face, I
just did not think to include all of him in the pic.
Don't know if he is ready for Hollywood status yet!

Enjoy! Lemme know what you think. I will post more pics of the assembled
truck in a few weeks.
I've been spending as much time with SWMBO and my 3 babies when I can.
Football practice every night until 8 pm is consuming all of my truck time
too. I will get it fired soon, I promise Elliott!!! 8^)

Stu
Nuke GM!
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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 00:21:58 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Web page updated with 4 new pics

In a message dated 8/15/99 8:48:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
nukegm ford-trucks.com writes:

>

Lookin REAL good there Stu. Lookin at those pics its hard to believe its a
real truck, and not one of those Franklin Mint Replicas thats super imposed
to look real. I'm way impressed. I must say, though, the thing that caught
my eye was the ford-trucks.com sticker in the back window. I like that.
Showin your pride, even if your pride is scattered across the garage floor!
Keep it goin Stu, I hope someday I'll get a chance to rebuild Tweety like
that.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 00:23:04 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Super Cobra Jet

i've heard of many 429 cobra jets pulled out of 70-72 police cars, i pulled
one that was four bolt main and one that was two bolt, if anyone ever sees an
old police car sitting, check it out. if it has the DOOE-R casting on the
heads its a cj, if the casting is D2OE-AB it a police interceptor, which has
the same shortblock as a cj, and the heads are more desireable for street
use, 428's were also used in police cars in the late 60's and a 428 police
interceptor came with an aluminum intake.
these old police engines can usualy be bought a whole lot cheaper, i have
bought whole police cars for $250.00 running, i'm sure there is some of those
still lurking around out there.
and if anyone knows of one let me know

happy hunting
jeff grant
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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 00:27:58 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Super Cobra Jet

cobra jet studs are positive stop, they have a shoulder.
scj studs are same size 7/16" so they are fully adjustable for a solid lift
cam.

i've seen them both ways.
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Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:11:55 PDT
From: "George Litton"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 429 Mustangs

Gettin' closer.
1971 was the last year for big block power in Mustangs. CJ was not the big
power producer in'72, though. The HO 351 held that honor. Basically the
same as the Boss 351, except for open chamber heads, and a slightly larger
cam than the Boss 351. Vin code R, just like the Boss. Total production
unknown, but believed to be about 1000, mostly Mach 1's. I own a HO convt.
All HO cars are 4 speed with "N" case 9 inch rearends. Fun cars.


>From: "William S. Hart"
>Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>To:
>Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 429 Mustangs
>Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 21:29:54 -0500
>
> > > As for Mustangs, I didn't think Ford installed big blocks in
> > the Mustang (or
> > > Cougar) after the 1970 model year. I thought the 429SCJ
> > engine was a Torino (&
> > > Montego? Cyclone? whatever) only item.
> >
> >
> > They carried them on through '72 or '73, but they were cut down on
>power
> > when CR dropped.
>
>This is not quite true, the Mustang only carried the 429 for 71 (aside from
>the Boss of 2years prior) ... after that they were dropped for insurance
>reasons. You couldn't order one from Ford even, the top dog became the
>351CJ in 72. Part of the drop in power was due to the change in the way hp
>was measured, from gross hp to net hp. So when people say cars just don't
>make the HP like they used to, they're just not comparing the right
>numbers,
....


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