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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - points/electronic Ignition
Re: FTE 61-79 -Ford Braggin'
Re: FTE 61-79 - 440
Re: FTE 61-79 -Ford Braggin'
Re: FTE 61-79 -Ford Braggin'
Re: FTE 61-79 - points/electronic Ignition
RE: FTE 61-79 - Timing is everything
Re: FTE 61-79 - Truck Hesitates/Stalls when accelerating from stop.
FTE 61-79 - Re:Why do we Ford guys get screwed by the parts guys
FTE 61-79 - Re: FTE 61-79 Cobra Jets 428/429
Re: FTE 61-79 - Which engine?
FTE 61-79 - flatbed
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: FTE 61-79 Cobra Jets 428/429
RE: FTE 61-79 - Re:Why do we Ford guys get screwed by the parts guys
RE: FTE 61-79 - flatbed
FTE 61-79 - mains
Re: FTE 61-79 - 351M
RE: FTE 61-79 - Re:Why do we Ford guys get screwed by the parts g uys
FTE 61-79 - HEMI
RE: FTE 61-79 - Starter Problem
FTE 61-79 - passed emissions
RE: FTE 61-79 - flatbed
FTE 61-79 - Engine vacuum
Re: FTE 61-79 - 351M
RE: FTE 61-79 - flatbed
RE: FTE 61-79 - flatbed
Re: FTE 61-79 - Starter Problem
Re: FTE 61-79 - points/electronic Ignition
Re: FTE 61-79 - flatbed
Re: FTE 61-79 - points/electronic Ignition
Re: FTE 61-79 - flatbed
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re:Why do we Ford guys get screwed by the parts guys
FTE 61-79 - FE head rebuild advice link
Re: FTE 61-79 -Ford Braggin'
Re: FTE 61-79 -Ford Braggin'
FTE 61-79 - Trouble removing c6/tcase
FTE 61-79 - 79 Regular Cab, Long Box
RE: FTE 61-79 - FE head rebuild advice link
Re: FTE 61-79 - 351M
Re: FTE 61-79 - 427SOHC
Re: FTE 61-79 - FE head rebuild advice link

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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:09:33 -0500
From: "Corey Johnson"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - points/electronic Ignition

Has anyone used the Pertronix Ignitor in their trucks? I have been
thinking of using it in my '66 352.
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pertronix.com/

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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 06:53:55 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 -Ford Braggin'

Thanks for your message at 12:54 AM 8/13/99 EDT, GMontgo930 aol.com. Your
message was:
>In a message dated 8/12/99 10:12:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>wish iastate.edu writes:
>
>
> Do you know how nice it is to look out the garage and see 3 fords ? :)
>
> >>
>
>Ive got 3 Fords ('79 Bronco, '91 Taurus, & '92 E150 Conversion) in my
>Driveway and yes, it's a wonderful sight. Now if only one was a 58 or so
>Pickup......

I'm so lucky. When I look outside, I see SIX Fords--2 '62 pickups
(admittedly one without an engine at the moment), one '66 pickup, 0ne '73
Mustang and one '62 Falcon...and I'm not counting the seventh Fomoco--a '70
Marquis with 426/C6 destined for one of the vehicles (I can't decide which
one). What more could a Ford guy ask for..?
Time to get them all cherry (To Dream the IMpossible Dream)...Well, I'm
starting a one month vacation TODAY!!! Let's see how much time I get to
spend on my loved ones...
Dennis L. Pearson

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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 06:56:25 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 440

Thanks for your message at 02:46 AM 8/13/99 CDT, PitStop Performance. Your
message was:
>
The last, and fastest, engine was a Chr*sler 440 with a
>pneumatic (sp?) shifted 727. From the stories I hear he was the guy to beat.
>
>
>He still has the car, but it is restored back to the original body (firewall
>and floor was modified to fit the many different engines). However, Snoopy
>is still on the sides (......and now a Ch*vy engine sits between the
>fenders:(
>
Sounds like it's time for intervention...
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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 06:58:35 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 -Ford Braggin'

Thanks for your message at 06:53 AM 8/13/99 -0700, Dennis Pearson. Your
message was:
>Mustang and one '62 Falcon...and I'm not counting the seventh Fomoco--a '70
>Marquis with 426/C6
HELP!!! I typed it wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!I know it is supposed to be
429..................Damn! Am I gonna get flamed, or what...
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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:03:21 EDT
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 -Ford Braggin'

In a message dated 8/13/99 10:00:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
dpearson ctc.edu writes:

> >Mustang and one '62 Falcon...and I'm not counting the seventh Fomoco--a
'70
> >Marquis with 426/C6

Looks like it's time for yet another intervention.........

Stock Man
1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible (HELP!---I need 15 x5 factory rims)
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
1966 F-250 I6 240 2wd LWB Flare Side
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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:03:00 -0400
From: Ted Wnorowski
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - points/electronic Ignition

At 08:09 AM 8/13/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Has anyone used the Pertronix Ignitor in their trucks? I have been
>thinking of using it in my '66 352.
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pertronix.com/
>
> Corey
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I put one on my 352 and couldn't be happier with it. As far as
price goes, try these people: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.naparts.com/ . I think I paid $59
+ shipping.

Ted Wnorowski
Bellevue,OH
'64 F-250
352 transplant
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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:23:02 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Timing is everything

We get a lot of questions here about what my timing should be, and how far
is enough, and all kinds of stuff. Then we also have to try and explain the
advantages of advancing the timing and all that neato stuff ... well I just
found a web page that covers an install of a Steeda Timing Adjuster in a
4.6L motor. This is so you can set the timing manually, just like the old
motors. If you are wondering what advancing the timing can do for you on
the power side, here's a chart from the bottom of the page (1/4 mile times
in Mustang GT)

10 (Stock) 16

1st Run 14.696 93.95 14.494 95.68
2nd Run 14.667 94.54 14.558 95.36
3rd Run 14.674 94.75 14.509 95.33
Average 14.679 94.41 14.520 95.46

Improvement -0.159 Seconds +1.05 MPH


Anyway I think you can see that adjusting the timing can have a pretty good
effect on performance. The report he gave also said that the low end torque
is way better, so for those of you looking for some 4.6 parts this might be
one to look into, for others wondering why to advance the timing, now you
know :) Also according to this report that 1mph he gained means the car
gained almost 8hp from this one mod ... neat :)


Anyway I have no associations with Steeda or the guy writing the article
(other than reading the article and some posts on a Mustang bored)

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:07:12 -0600
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Truck Hesitates/Stalls when accelerating from stop.

>From: "Matarratas"
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - Truck Hesitates/Stalls when accelerating from stop.
>
> The truck in question has a 351M engine
>with an Autolite 2150 carb with ERG(not working).
>The truck starts just fine and idles decent for a
>truck with 120k.

Yo Warren:

My 351M w/ Motorcraft 2150 and almost 165K miles on it starts just fine too, and
it used to idle decent until I had to lean the heck out of the idle mixture to
get it to pass the Colo e-test. (I think I'll be tweakin' those screws again
this weekend.)

>When I start to go and give the truck more gas it
>will hesitate and sometimes stall if I do not feather
>the gas just right. I have checked the vacuum lines
>attach to the carb to make sure nothing is loose or
>cracked. I also used carb cleaner thinking there
>maybe a clogged in one of the jets.

If you're getting a hesitation immediately off-idle (i.e., right when you start
accelerating from a stop), it's probably the accelerator pump. One of two
problems cause this sort of behavior, too little fuel or too much fuel.

W/ the engine not running, look down the throat of the carb and see if any fuel
sprays from the two acc pump nozzles at the top front center of the carb throat
when you work the throttle. If not, you've got a bad acc pump diaphragm and you
need to replace it. BTW, lack of acc pump fuel will cause a saggy feeling when
accelerating at speed, too. If you see fuel sprayed from the acc pump nozzles,
the pump diaphragm is probably ok.

You can adjust the amount of fuel discharged by the acc pump by changing the
position of its link rod on the throttle shaft acc pump lever. The farther away
from the shaft, the greater the travel of the rod and the more fuel is pumped by
the acc pump. All the 2150s I've seen have either 3 or 4 holes for the acc pump
link rod. Try different settings of the acc pump rod. Again, either too little
fuel (rod too close to the shaft) or too much fuel (rod too far away from the
shaft) can cause off-idle hesitation problems.

>After these two attempts at fixing the carb did not
>work I adjusted the fuel/air mixture but that did
>not help either.

If you're talking about the 2 screws on the bottom front of the carb, those
adjust the idle mixture only. They have no effect on fuel mixture at off-idle
or higher speeds. All other mixture ratios are determined by the main jets,
which are located in the bottom of the fuel bowl. If you had any internal
passages clogged in the carb, it could adversely affect the mixture control of
the carb, and to correct the problem, you would have to disassemble the carb and
clean it properly or (possibly) run some fuel system cleaner through the fuel
tank. If the clog is in an internal air passage, then an in-tank fuel system
cleaner would have no effect on that problem.

Good luck w/ your truck.

Dave R (M-block devotee)


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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:08:46 -0500
From: "Don Yerhot"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re:Why do we Ford guys get screwed by the parts guys

The guys you really have to watch are the Ford dealers themselves. The rag
joint on my 74 is shot so I went down to the dealer to get a replacement.
They wanted $64.69! Needless to say, I decided to pass on their offer to
order me one. I'll be going to my favorite auto recycler tomorrow to try to
find one and if that doesn't work I'll make one out of an old tire. On the
other hand, I am noticing that the aftermarket parts for the 302/351W's are
starting to come down. But the FE's on the other hand....

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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:10:45 -0600
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: FTE 61-79 Cobra Jets 428/429

Yo Gang:

According to the Monroe book, the 429CJ originally used hydraulic lifters w/
adjustable rocker arms. After Nov. 1969, the CJ went to non-adjustable rockers
w/ hydraulic lifters. When the SCJ came out in 1971, it used the adjustable
rocker arms of the original CJ w/ a solid tappet cam. The later CJ heads (post
11/69) w/ non-adjustable rockers are the same as the 429/460 Police heads.
Otherwise, all CJ and SCJ heads have the same ports and combustion chambers and
they will physically interchange w/ any other 385 series (429/460) cylinder
head.

The only forged piston Monroe mentions is the SCJ piston.

As for Mustangs, I didn't think Ford installed big blocks in the Mustang (or
Cougar) after the 1970 model year. I thought the 429SCJ engine was a Torino (&
Montego? Cyclone? whatever) only item.

Dave R (M-block devotee)


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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:22:06 -0600
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Which engine?

>From: "William S. Hart"
>Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Which engine?
>
>A 460 is not stock in a 4x4 until sometime after
>78 (some will argue they came out in 79,
>others say 80, so go fig), so no matter what
>you do, some changes will be required to
>put a 460 into one of these.

Yo Wish:

Quite a while after '78, actually. Ford didn't offer the 460 in a 4x4 truck
until the 1983 model year. By then, it was available only in F250s and F350s.
Before 1983, the biggest engine available from the factory in a Ford 4x4 was the
M-block 400.

I can't address the specifics of putting a 460 into a pre-80 4x4 truck, but I do
know that Ford offered the 460 from the factory in 4x2 F150s through the 1979
model year. I think the '77-'79 4x2 and 4x4 frames are different, but I don't
know if the 4x2 engine mounts will work in the 4x4 frame.

Dave R (M-block devotee)


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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:22:32 -0400
From: "Upchurch, Jason"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - flatbed

Here we go again with another mod,
My truck is a 65 f-100 and I want to make it into a flat-bed, simply because I think flat-beds are cool, does anyone have an idea on what the process would be to convert? Long bed is current equipment, not in to bad of shape either, if anyone would like to discuss it, e-mail me off-list
jupchurch imps0014.us.dg.com
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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 09:23:51 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: FTE 61-79 Cobra Jets 428/429

Thanks for your message at 10:10 AM 8/13/99 -0600, Dave Resch. Your message
was:
>Yo Gang:
>As for Mustangs, I didn't think Ford installed big blocks in the Mustang (or
>Cougar) after the 1970 model year. I thought the 429SCJ engine was a
Torino (&
>Montego? Cyclone? whatever) only item.

The 429 was available for the Mustang in 1971, but not after that.


Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:26:00 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re:Why do we Ford guys get screwed by the parts guys

> The guys you really have to watch are the Ford dealers
> themselves. The rag
> joint on my 74 is shot so I went down to the dealer to get a replacement.
> They wanted $64.69! Needless to say, I decided to pass on their offer to
> order me one. I'll be going to my favorite auto recycler
> tomorrow to try to
> find one and if that doesn't work I'll make one out of an old
> tire.

Check the HELP! section of your local auto parts store, or ask them, I'll
bet they have them too, I know the Big A down the road has it, saw it
hanging on the wall even! I'd rather get new than used in this particular
case ...



> On the
> other hand, I am noticing that the aftermarket parts for the
> 302/351W's are
> starting to come down. But the FE's on the other hand....
>

Amen! If only they still made them ... hehehehe :)

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:52:11 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - flatbed

> Here we go again with another mod,
> My truck is a 65 f-100 and I want to make it into a flat-bed,
> simply because I think flat-beds are cool, does anyone have an
> idea on what the process would be to convert? Long bed is
> current equipment, not in to bad of shape either, if anyone
> would like to discuss it, e-mail me off-list


I think there's a company here in Iowa that specializes in flat beds ..are
you talking about making your own, or buying a fancy pre built one ???

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:05:20 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - mains

Dale writes: >>I was wonder what you guys thought about this redneck fix.
Ruby's 351M has looooow oil pressure (big surprise). I was thinking about
pulling the pan and turning in some new main bearings as a temp. fix to
bring the oil pressure up. This way it doesnt nuke on me before I can get
my 460 built. Anybody else tried this? Comments, sugguestions?

Been there - Done that. The rear main seal is a B. if it is the rope. I liked
to have never gotten one out of a 351M of my Nephews. But we finally did, and
the oil pressure was good for another 125k miles. It is a '79 351M lwb F150
4X4. Got roughly 325K on it and the heads have never been off. Still does a
decent job for him.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:06:35 -0600
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351M

>From: IanBoss69 aol.com
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - 351M
>
>Ok, I've got my new(old) 351M apart now,,,
>(came out of friends old truck),,,block is
>being delivered to shop soon,,,
>
>snip
>
>since im getting new pistons im wondering
>about raising CR to 9.0 or 9.5 to 1,,,i have a
>dual plane 4bbl edelbrock intake im using
>on the intake and a mild performance cam
>as well,,,,will the raised CR work without
>major head work, and will the cost be worth
>the performance increase,

Yo Ian:

The only "high-compression" piston I am aware of for the 351M is the Federal
Mogul TRW #L2466F forged piston. Fed Mogul claims it raises compression ratio
on a stock 351M to 8.6:1, so if you wanted to go higher, you'd still have to
mill the block and/or heads. In a 351M, the deck clearance is pretty reasonable
(0.020"), so there's not much room to mill the block if you're using stock
height pistons. Shaving the heads is really the only viable way to increase
compression (beyond what the piston does) in a 351M. No other head work is
necessary to increase the compression ratio.

That said, I am a strong believer in converting a 351M into a 400 to improve
performance. The only difference between them is the crankshaft and pistons.
All you need (since you're getting new pistons anyway) is the 400 crankshaft.

Not only will you gain additional displacement and the power potential that
comes w/ it, the 400 deck clearance is quite a bit larger than the 351M's and
you can mill the block a lot more to increase compression, if that's the way you
want to go. The biggest advantage of the 400 is that you can use almost any
351C piston in the 400 to get almost any compression ratio you want. The only
mod required to use 351C pistons in a 400 is that the top end of the M-block
connecting rods must be bushed to accommodate the 351C piston's smaller diameter
wrist pin.

As for increasing compression, IMHO, yes, the cost will be worthwhile in
performance gained.

>I'm looking for around 350 HP 400 ft-lbs,,,,but i
>dont know if my plans will make that happen,,,,

I doubt you can achieve that kind of power at a usable rpm w/ the 351M.
However, the 400 can easily cough out those numbers (and more) w/ proper
ministrations. The main things you need to wake up the M-block are improved
compression, very (very) mild head/port clean-up, and a decent camshaft. To get
the really good numbers, though, you do need a pretty healthy camshaft, maybe
more than what some people would consider "mild performance." I like the
numbers that were mentioned in the 09/98 HotRod article: 268/268 advertised
duration, 224/230 duration at 0.050" lift, and 0.524"/0.529" gross lift.

>will a stock NP-435 stand up to that power???

And then some.

>let me know
>what you guys think,,,

That's what I think.

Dave R (M-block devotee)


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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:12:52 -0700
From: "Southerland, Rich"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re:Why do we Ford guys get screwed by the parts g uys

You can buy this in a kit for about $13. Company called Dorman makes them.


- -----Original Message-----
From: Don Yerhot [mailto:dyerhot nwchiro.edu]
Sent: Friday, August 13, 1999 9:09 AM
To: 61-79-List Ford-Trucks. Com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re:Why do we Ford guys get screwed by the parts
guys


The guys you really have to watch are the Ford dealers themselves. The rag
joint on my 74 is shot so I went down to the dealer to get a replacement.
They wanted $64.69! Needless to say, I decided to pass on their offer to
order me one. I'll be going to my favorite auto recycler tomorrow to try to
find one and if that doesn't work I'll make one out of an old tire. On the
other hand, I am noticing that the aftermarket parts for the 302/351W's are
starting to come down. But the FE's on the other hand....

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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:25:25 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - HEMI

Travis writes: >>what does HEMI stand for
Hemispherical combustion chambers.

The SOHC and all the Clevelands and Bosses were also hemispherical in design,
but since M*PAR used the term HEMI, and was in truth the 1st to use it back in
the early 50's, Ford chose not to use the term for their Hemi's I don't know
this for sure, but I think all DOHC engines sre of the Hemi design..

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:25:36 -0700
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Starter Problem

So the current being generated by the alternator does not short to the frame
on the way to the store. I would only do this as a last resort.

Tom H

> ----------
> From: Larry Schmiedekamp[SMTP:Larry.Schmiedekamp angelo.edu]
> Reply To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 1999 2:50 PM
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Starter Problem
>
>
> Food for thought. You can't jump start a truck (etc.) that has a dead
> cell.
> It breaks the curcit. sp. You have to remove the + cable and attach jumper
> cable to it and ground - jumper cable. This will let you start it. After
> it is
> running put the + cable on the battery post fast. This will let you get to
> a
> battery dealer. I have yet to figure out why you have to put the + cable
> back
> on if you have to take it off to start it.????
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:33:27 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - passed emissions

Sean writes: >> So I spent some money, and got what I really wanted, which
is to have my baby back on the road and legal.

Sorry about bringing it up again, but I'm very proud you got it back on the
road.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:07:47 -0700
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - flatbed

Slickest flat bed I ever saw had a flare side bed cut off even with the top
of the frame rails and the flat bed was mounted above that. It gave the
truck a 'finished' look because you couldn't see the frame and there was a
place for the gas filler to mount.

Tom H.

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> Sent: Friday, August 13, 1999 12:22 PM
> To: '61-79-list ford-trucks.com'
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - flatbed
>
> Here we go again with another mod,
> My truck is a 65 f-100 and I want to make it into a flat-bed, simply
> because I think flat-beds are cool, does anyone have an idea on what the
> process would be to convert? Long bed is current equipment, not in to bad
> of shape either, if anyone would like to discuss it, e-mail me off-list
> jupchurch imps0014.us.dg.com
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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:09:43 -0600
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Engine vacuum

>From: David Henderson
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Ford parts houses
>
>A question for the group that I have been pondering.
>
>How many inches of Hg vacuum should I be pulling
>at 1) idle (~800 RPM) 2) 1000 RPM 3) 1500 RPM
>and 4) 2000 RPM? Currently, I know I am pulling
>about 16-17 inches Hg at idle. Probably the altitude
>making it that high.
>
>Dave Resch, what are you pulling there in Colorado?

Yo Dave:

Where I live, the altitude is only about 5400 ft (not all that high for
Colorado). On my tired old 351M w/ about 165K miles on it, I'm getting about
15" at idle. At 2K rpm unloaded (i.e., revving in the driveway), it still pulls
about 14". I haven't tried hooking up the vac gauge for driving yet, but I
understand it can be educational.

Dave R (M-block devotee)


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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:12:56 -0400
From: James Oxley
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351M

Dave Resch wrote:
>
:
>
> The only "high-compression" piston I am aware of for the 351M is the Federal
> Mogul TRW #L2466F forged piston. Fed Mogul claims it raises compression ratio
> on a stock 351M to 8.6:1,

To???. I thought stock compr. was like 8.4? Was it lower than that??
Any lower and it could be a blower motor :-)

OX
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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:19:08 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - flatbed

> Slickest flat bed I ever saw had a flare side bed cut off even
> with the top
> of the frame rails and the flat bed was mounted above that. It gave the
> truck a 'finished' look because you couldn't see the frame and
> there was a
> place for the gas filler to mount.


Hmmm...I think I've seen that done before and wasn't very thrilled with it
... there's a lot around here that have the filler neck built into the side
of the flat bed though ... you can still see some of the frame, but not
necessarily if you get the tool boxes and everything on it ... I imagine
those are pretty expensive, but all that "battleship linoleum" is pretty
impressive :)

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:58:03 -0400
From: Ted Wnorowski
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - flatbed

At 01:19 PM 8/13/99 -0500, you wrote:

> > there was a
> > place for the gas filler to mount.
>
>
>
>... there's a lot around here that have the filler neck built into the side
>of the flat bed though ...

You don't have to worry on a ' 64. The filler is behind the
driver's door, thanks to the in cab time bomb : ) . It's the same on the '
66 isn't it?
Back to the subject, I'm interested in a flatbed too. Either would
suit me fine. There's a company in MI that advertises in Hemmings every
month, but their ad says ' 53 - ' 60. I searched and found a URL a few
months ago. Every time I tried it, it wouldn't connect and I'm too cheap to
call. I just wanted to see if they had anything to fit the' 61- ' 66 body
style. If I find out I'll let the list know. Or if anyone else
knows...............
On the subject of making my own. Does anyone know where to go for
plans, drawings, advice, etc. ? As far as buying a pre-built, it would be
worth the extra money ( as long as it weren't too much, chirp , chirp) to
alleviate the headaches of fabbing one myself.

TIA for any help or answers,
Ted Wnorowski

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Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 12:09:18 -0700
From: Pat Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Starter Problem

Tom wrote:
>
> So the current being generated by the alternator does not short to
> the frame on the way to the store. I would only do this as a last
> resort.
>
> Tom H
> From: Larry Schmiedekamp[SMTP:Larry.Schmiedekamp angelo.edu]
> > Food for thought. You can't jump start a truck (etc.) that has
> > a dead cell. It breaks the curcit. sp. You have to remove the +
> > cable and attach jumper cable to it and ground - jumper cable.
> > This will let you start it. After it is running put the + cable
> > on the battery post fast. This will let you get to a battery
> > dealer. I have yet to figure out why you have to put the + cable
> > back on if you have to take it off to start it.????

Tom points out one of the reasons to re-connect the battery, I'd
like to add that it is unwise to run any auto without a battery
connected. The battery is part of the voltage regulator system,
(big, very slow stubborn load so to speak), and without out it
connected, the system can see some very large voltages generated.
Short summary: Without a battery, other things will fry :-(
- --
Pat Brown
Sebastopol, California

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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:25:13 -0500
From: "Corey Johnson"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - points/electronic Ignition

Thanks for the advice.... I ordered one this morning for 59.99 from that site
you sent. About how long did it take to receive, if you can recall?

Also, has anyone ever converted/replaced their 'incab' fuel tank to an
under-bed style on a '66 F-100 or similar? I was wondering if I could maybe get
one from salvage yard that would 'easily' install on my truck....

Ted Wnorowski wrote:
> I put one on my 352 and couldn't be happier with it. As far as
> price goes, try these people: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.naparts.com/ . I think I paid $59



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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 15:27:30 -0400
From: David Henderson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - flatbed

Ted writes:
> On the subject of making my own. Does anyone know where to go for
>plans, drawings, advice, etc. ? As far as buying a pre-built, it would be
>worth the extra money ( as long as it weren't too much, chirp , chirp) to
>alleviate the headaches of fabbing one myself.

In High School, back in Pleasanton, TX, the ag engineering class would always
make a flatbed for someone's truck every year as a project. Usually it was for
a friend of our ag teacher's truck. There were a few set plans (I think from
FFA project books) on how to make them for different trucks. You may check with
your local FFA chapter on plans (if you want to make it yourself) or buddy up
to the ag engineering teacher and plead you case ;^). Good Luck!!

Dave H

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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 15:37:31 -0400
From: Ted Wnorowski
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - points/electronic Ignition

>
> About how long did it take to receive, if you can recall?

I believe it was only about 4 days. I'm in north-central Ohio and
I think they're in MN. I do remember that it didn't take too awfully long.

Ted Wnorowski
Bellevue,OH
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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 15:40:43 -0400
From: Ted Wnorowski
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - flatbed

At 03:27 PM 8/13/99 -0400, you wrote:


> You may check with
>your local FFA chapter on plans (if you want to make it yourself)

That's a good idea. Plus my wife's niece is president of the
Bellevue High School FFA.

Ted

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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 17:57:13 -0500
From: "Larry Brown"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re:Why do we Ford guys get screwed by the parts guys

You can also find them at many local parts houses, I have seen them at
Autozone, Pep Boys, and NAPA

I dot remember what they were selling for, but I don't think it was more
that about $10

Larry

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From: Don Yerhot
To: 61-79-List Ford-Trucks. Com
Sent: Friday, August 13, 1999 11:08 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re:Why do we Ford guys get screwed by the parts guys


> The guys you really have to watch are the Ford dealers themselves. The rag
> joint on my 74 is shot so I went down to the dealer to get a replacement.
> They wanted $64.69! Needless to say, I decided to pass on their offer to
> order me one. I'll be going to my favorite auto recycler tomorrow to try
to
> find one and if that doesn't work I'll make one out of an old tire. On the
> other hand, I am noticing that the aftermarket parts for the 302/351W's
are
> starting to come down. But the FE's on the other hand....
>
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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 19:24:57 -0500
From: "Brett L. Habben"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FE head rebuild advice link

Folks,
Here's a link to FE head rebuild advice:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aera.org/EngineTech/edge1197/HeadMaster.htm
Anybody got any comments on EngineTech Inc. parts?
Thanks,
Brett
Super75cab
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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 20:38:18 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 -Ford Braggin'

In a message dated 8/13/99 6:58:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time, dpearson ctc.edu
writes:


Marquis with 426/C6 >>

Wow, a Marquis with a Hemi!!!

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 19:08:56 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 -Ford Braggin'

Thanks for your message at 08:38 PM 8/13/99 EDT, JUMPINFORD aol.com. Your
message was:
>In a message dated 8/13/99 6:58:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
dpearson ctc.edu
>writes:
>
>
> Marquis with 426/C6 >>
>
>Wow, a Marquis with a Hemi!!!
That thread about Hemis must have gotten to my fingers...
Dennis Pearson
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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 22:18:40 -0400
From: Joe & Jen DeLaurentis
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Trouble removing c6/tcase

Hey all,

question I'm trying to remove a c6 and 205 tcase from a 73 4x4 f100..I
have all
bolts out and the thing wont budge...I do have the crossmember intact
under the trans it looks like it unbolts on the bottom but it also looks
like it goes up in the frame????Is this a removable crossmember????is
this whats holding it up??
tia
Joe

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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 21:42:03 -0500
From: Jeff Lester
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 79 Regular Cab, Long Box

If anyone in the Houston area is interested, there is
a 79ish Ford for sale in League City. Regular cab,
Long Box, Styleside, Two-tone (brown/cream), 4x4,
square headlights, etc, etc....

It looked rather clean, *but* I did not stop to look
closer. It is near a friend's house, and I get more
info if someone is interested.

Let me know.

Jeff Lester - La Porte, Texas
78 Ford E350 4x4, 460, C6, NP205, D44/70, 35" BFG MT's
http://www.ford-trucks.com/pictorial/big/1978_e350_1.html

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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 22:50:26 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - FE head rebuild advice link

> Folks,
> Here's a link to FE head rebuild advice:
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aera.org/EngineTech/edge1197/HeadMaster.htm
> Anybody got any comments on EngineTech Inc. parts?
> Thanks,

Brett, check that link again, I think somethin's missin .. at least I
couldn't get to it (tried spelling area instead of aera and still couldn't
get it, and html and that didn't work either, so must've missed something)

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 00:04:13 EDT
From: IanBoss69 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351M

In a message dated 8/12/99 10:08:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
wish iastate.edu writes:

> I'm curious when you say "mild performance cam" what do you
> mean ? Like an RV cam? A performer cam ?

I'm thinking of using the Edelbrock Performer Intake/cam combo, hope that....


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