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61-79-list-digest Thursday, August 12 1999 Volume 03 : Number 283



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - Headers for 460 in 79 F2504wd
FTE 61-79 - T'stat
FTE 61-79 - FE's
FTE 61-79 - 429 SCJ
Re: FTE 61-79 - Super Cobra Jet
FTE 61-79 - Hesitation
FTE 61-79 - mohawk
FTE 61-79 - hesitation
FTE 61-79 - 427SOHC
FTE 61-79 - brakes
FTE 61-79 - 429/CJ/SCJ
FTE 61-79 - Bellhousing for 429
FTE 61-79 - Rear ratio
FTE 61-79 - Starter Problem
Re: FTE 61-79 - Super Cobra Jet
Re: FTE 61-79 - Instrument clusters
RE: FTE 61-79 - Rear ratio
Re: FTE 61-79 - Super Cobra Jet
RE: FTE 61-79 - Starter Problem
FTE 61-79 - 429 Emissions in '79
RE: FTE 61-79 - Instrument clusters
FTE 61-79 - Tranny fluids
FTE 61-79 - Stumbleing
RE: FTE 61-79 - Starter Problem
FTE 61-79 - Long lost lurker
Re: FTE 61-79 - Super Cobra Jet
FTE 61-79 - Dash volts
FTE 61-79 - Valve cover bolts
Re: FTE 61-79 - Long lost lurker
Re: FTE 61-79 - Instrument clusters
Re: FTE 61-79 - Valve cover bolts
FTE 61-79 - RE: 460 rear end
FTE 61-79 - thinking
FTE 61-79 - Very late post
RE: FTE 61-79 - Very late post
RE: FTE 61-79 - Super Cobra Jet
FTE 61-79 - F600
FTE 61-79 - Rear axle bearings
FTE 61-79 - Which engine?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Super Cobra Jet
FTE 61-79 - 440
RE: FTE 61-79 - Which engine?
Re: FTE 61-79 - 427SOHC
Re: FTE 61-79 - F600
FTE 61-79 - Ouch,.. That Hurt!
FTE 61-79 - Pilot bearing
Re: FTE 61-79 - Ouch,.. That Hurt!
Re: FTE 61-79 - Pilot bearing
FTE 61-79 - Why do we Ford guys get screwed by the parts guys all the time!?!?!?
FTE 61-79 - Dennis Carpenter
FTE 61-79 - Rear Bumper question
Re: FTE 61-79 - Dennis Carpenter
Re: FTE 61-79 - 427SOHC
Re: FTE 61-79 - Starter Problem
Re: FTE 61-79 - Why do we Ford guys get screwed by the parts guys all the tim...
FTE 61-79 - FE strokes
FTE 61-79 - 351M

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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 06:47:11 -0700
From: "Charles T."
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Headers for 460 in 79 F2504wd

>> Does anyone have any experience with putting headers on a 460 swapped
into
>> a 79 F250 4WD. I want to stay inside the frame rails.
>
>Hooker has engine swap headers for exactly that application, call Summit
>Racing and either ask for a catalog, or ask how to order, to my recolection
>they were like 132.95 or something close,,,


L&L Products also makes headers for this and other Ford Truck engine swaps.
They are near Dallas, Texas. (972) 475-5202.

CharlesT
79 F150 4x4 (460 swap)

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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 08:01:22 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - T'stat

William Hart writes: >>Anyway, I was wondering how you based it on size ???
Larger for more
displacement, but can you give us an idea how large is large ?

It was only an asumption on my part, not a bulletin or anything from
DiamlerChrysler, but I would think that a slightly larger opening would be
desireable for the larger displacements due (if for nothing else) to the fact
that they usually have a larger cooling capacity.

Azie
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 09:06:16 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FE's

refering to someones question of the Ford 406.
William Hart writes: >>It was a high performance motor in the early 60's ...
came in the full size Fords mostly.

And I add:
>>Introduced in 1962 - dropped in 1963 for the famous wedge 427. Only came with
solid lifters, cast iron shortie headers, and 4 speed toploader transmission. In
truth, it was nearly identical to the 427 in performance, but this was when all
the major auto companies were in a Cubic Inch - Horsepower, war so to speak, so
they dropped the 406 for the 427 for the added inches.
The 406 has the same bore as the 428, but the stroke of the 390.

Azie
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 09:14:42 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 429 SCJ

Dennis writes: >> And will the SCJ heads bolt right on and work on a standard
429?

Yes!!! Will work on any of the 385 series. You must remember the 385's had 3
different deck heights over its life span(that I am aware of), and the pushrod
length will be determined by the specific block, unless you have the
adjustables. Now I'm confused!!! Were not all SCJ 429's solid lifter???? Yes
I'm sure they were, so the pushrods should be unique to the SCJ (adjustable
rockers).
Hope I didn't confuse you..... Got kinda confused myself.
Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 06:22:59 PDT
From: "George Litton"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Super Cobra Jet

Matt,
Sorry, but you owe somebody an apology. 429SCJ heads have screw-in rocker
studs, and very large ports. So large on the intake side, in fact, that
the valve cover bolts go into the port. Large vacuum leak if one of these
bolts is missing. D0OE-6090-R is casting #. My books say that CJ and SCJ
had different screw-in studs, but make no mention of what the difference is.
Buyer beware, I guess. Maybe someone else on the list has more info?
Good Luck.


>From: MC
>Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>To: FTE 61-79
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - Super Cobra Jet
>Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 12:43:29 -0700
>
>I just need someone to tell me I'm right. Some friends and I were going
>through the nickel ads when one of them found an ad for "429 SCJ" heads.
>It got my attention, but I told him that there is no 429 SCJ, only a 428
>SCJ, and a Boss 429. So who is right? Me, or the guy that placed the ad?
>And if these are 428 SCJ heads, how would I know for sure, and what are
>they worth? I suppose it could have been a typo also.
>
>--
>Matt Cozad
>When everything's coming your way, you're in the wrong lane.
>
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 09:28:17 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Hesitation

Garry writes: >>I to am beginning to notice that my engine is wanting to
hesitate when
taking off from a stop.

Most likely causes: (1) accelerator pump not squirting enough fuel into
Venturi(sic) upon depressing the accelerator. (2) Vacuum advance for
distributor sticking, not functioning.

Troubleshooting:
(1) with engine not running, remove air cleaner, open choke plate and hold it
open while looking straight down in the carb - open the accelerator - you
should notice a very visible stream of raw gas being squirted from two nozzels
into the venturi. If you don't you have found your problem.

(2) Remove dist cap, and the vacuum line that goes into the dist. Remove it
from the vacuum source if possible, if not then get an extra length of vacuum
line and insert on the dist. If you have a vacuum pump hook it to this line
while observing the plate in the dist. It should rotate about 10/15 degrees.
If not, you have found your hesitation. It should rotate smoothely - not jerky.
You may be able to suck on the vacuum line enough to do this, but you might also
get some crap in your mouth that you'd just as soon not get in there, unless you
use NEW line.

Hope this helps.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 08:10:02 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - mohawk

>>Is that by chance a BMP file ?

It's not supposed to be.

>> Sometimes viewers have trouble with that ...
also should be uploaded in Raw Data form, not Mac Binary if you're using
Fetch on those things ....

Loaded as raw data. I take my pics with a Sony Mavica. It writes JPEG onto a
DOS diskette. I pop it in the Mac, open it with Netscape Navigator, save it
as source, then upload the source file with Fetch. Any other way and either
Netscape or Internet Explorer has trouble. I just went to my NT Server
running IE4.0 and the pages all loaded flawlessly. ????

FTE content: A Ford truck is much more reliable and predictable than any
computer system.

- -- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom LWB Regular Cab 351M C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 08:37:30 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - hesitation

>>Now I have noticed this
hesitation for the last 5 or 6 days. Aaaarrghhhh it never ends.

Garry,

What you describe sounds like a bad tank of gas.

- -- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom LWB Regular Cab 351M C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 09:34:44 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 427SOHC

Ian writes: >>what i understand is that the 427 SOHC was never put in a
production car,

You may be correct, but I'm fairly certain they offered it in a production run
of 500 or so units to make it a legal entry for NASCAR, but then NASCAR banned
it anyway, as they did the HEMI from C*rysler. No argument either way.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 10:09:42 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - brakes

Brett writes: >> After about 5 miles of driving the
pedal is way at the top and my brakes are dragging. If I shut it down and
let it sit for a bit the pedal returns to normal. Any ideas?

Take the rod out once again and shorten it approximately 1/4 turn and reinstall.
Try the truck out again. Repeat this until it quits "dragging". A very little
adjustment here goes a really long way.


Azie
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 10:02:36 -0400
From: "Marvin Meyer"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 429/CJ/SCJ

Just a note on 429's, the good o'l 429 to get is the head ID cast #
DOVE-C 58cc chambers and ports and good for street. Let's face it your not
winding it above 5800 are you? The 429 from 68-71 boasted 10.5 : 1
compression and steel gears for timing, after that it was down hill.
Next up is the CJ it had high volume oil pump, oil pan internal baffle
and true roller timing chain. Forged 11.3:1 pistons big heads/valves (that
are too big for street use although they can be used bottom end sacrifice)
valve springs were double with internal dampers for valve float. aluminum
factory finned valve covers. Large intake that would only accept a spread
bore carb (Q-jet- rochester 735cfm ) factory cast iron headers.hydraulic
cam.Dual point distributer
Next up the SCJ same as above (CJ) but, Intake had 4 holes same
diameter(square bore) Holley 780cfm, The S in SCJ denotes a solid lift cam
for extra rpm( not advisable unless balanced) The heads on both the CJ/SCJ
are same and can be Identified by the casting # DOOE-R.
70's had 2 bolt mains and 71's 4 bolt, The SCJ's came with engine oil
cooler and either 3.91/4.30:1
ratios The C-6 trans behind the CJ's or SCJ's were different from ordinary
ones. They had larger servoes for firm shifts and the levers on the bands
were of a different length. The Tail stock is made of cast iron not aluminum
like the regulars.
They came with a chrome dip stick and yellow dip stick on the C-6's.
Prices: $1000CDN and up for used dissasembled, 2500 for running used,
4spd's- 750CDN and C-6's-??(never came across any yet)

I played with them in my truck (74 F-150) had 3.70:1 gears and WOW what
a pull off the line. I could punch the gas let off then punch again and lift
the front wheels 1-2" (so they said). I got 10 Candian miles per gallon on
the Hyw. The heads/cam were too big,for street. At 5500 she'd begin to pull
hard(wake up) then I'd let off at 5800-6000.
Hope this helps someone spot one.....a Treasure!!
Marvin

70 Cyclone Spoiler 429 SCJ
70 Cyclone 429 CJ
76 150 Super cab

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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 10:21:37 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Bellhousing for 429

Jeffri Hanson writes: >>SO WHAT DOES EVERYBODY ELSE USE to mate thier
swaps of 429/460's to the NP 435 in the 79 F-150 4WD's?

Haven't done a F-150, but I've done several F-250's and one F-350 with 460's
(same block as 429), and I always use the 351M/400 bellhousing. Never had a
problem. I also use the flywheels from 360/390 trucks and have them balanced to
the 460 (both are Zero balanced and this is not really necessary - I'm just a
little particular(retenive) in this area).

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 11:22:48 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Rear ratio

George writes: >>You spin the wheel over twice, and count the number of
driveshaft turns.
That should be the ratio.

I disagree -- If you are only turning one wheel, you must turn it over 2ce
(two revolutions, as the spider gears make the one wheel 1/2 rate)..

Azie
Ardmore, Al


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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 10:33:20 -0500
From: "Mike Warren"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Starter Problem

Last week I had a problem with getting my truck to start and replaced the
starter relay. Now all it does is make the starter click and the engine will
not turn over.

I had a friend tell me it sounded like a torque converter, but am interested
in other possible reasons and solutions. I have even heard it may be miss
wiring or even the cylanoid.

if you could reply directly (mwarren kimbellmuseum.org) that would be great
as well as to the list.
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 08:45:31 -0700
From: MC
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Super Cobra Jet

"William S. Hart" wrote:

> The guy who placed the ad has one-upped you Matt ... sorry man.

AAAAAARRRRGGGGGHHHHHH!!!! Oh well, live and learn. Just when I think I have it
figured out, they go and switch things on me! :)

> I've seen a
> 429 SCJ Torino ... they are sweet machines. If I ever remember to bring the
> pic in I'll scan it for you.

Cool. I'd like to see that. My mom had a Torino way back when. I don't know what
motor it had in it, though. It wasn't anything fancy, but I always thought it
could be a hot car with some work.

> The SCJ was available in 70 on the Torino's and Cyclone's, and 71 in the
> 'stang as I remember it ...
>
> Just my $.02
> wish
>
> ps Super is not as in supercharged.
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When everything's coming your way, you're in the wrong lane.

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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 08:51:36 -0700
From: MC
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Instrument clusters

am14 daimlerchrysler.com wrote:

> They aren't interchangeable directly. Different wiring harnesses under the dash
> and under the hood. If you get the engine harness, the underdash harness and
> the cluster, then it will work.
>
> Azie
> Ardmore, Al.

Well it looks like I have some rewiring in front of me then. Does it make any
difference that he has a 429 in that truck(Originally a 351M)? Will I have to change
the electronic ignition module over, or can I just plug in the one that I already
have in my truck? Will the parts guy know what I'm talking about when I ask for
sending units for gauges as opposed to lights?



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Matt Cozad
When everything's coming your way, you're in the wrong lane.

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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 11:00:53 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Rear ratio

> George writes: >>You spin the wheel over twice, and count the number of
> driveshaft turns.
> That should be the ratio.
>
> I disagree -- If you are only turning one wheel, you must turn
> it over 2ce
> (two revolutions, as the spider gears make the one wheel 1/2 rate)..
>
Azie, didn't you just agree with him ? if the wheel is turning at half the
normal rate, then turning it twice will give you the correct number right ?
So every rotation of the wheel = 1/2 the normal rotations of the driveshaft
... so double everything 2 wheel rotations= 1x driveshaft rotations ?

Just my $.02
wish

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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 09:04:35 -0700
From: MC
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Super Cobra Jet

"William L. Ballinger" wrote:

> You can tell an FE (428) from a 385 series (429) by looking at the
> valves. A 428 has the valves in a straight line, the 429 has them
> staggered.

Thanks. Another one for the FTE folder. I finally broke down and ordered Steve
Christ's book from Amazon.com a couple of days ago, so maybe I can start
figuring some of this out. I understand that this is the bible for FE's, so am
I going to need to pickup another for the 385's? Maybe I should tell my buddy
to buy that one instead. I've got a 360 and a 390 and he has two 429's.



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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 11:04:20 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Starter Problem

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Mike Warren
> Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 10:33 AM
> Last week I had a problem with getting my truck to start and
> replaced the
> starter relay. Now all it does is make the starter click and the
> engine will
> not turn over.
>

have you checked the battery ? We just went through this with another
truck, so a peek in the archives might get you some other suggestions ...
basically :

1) check the battery (use a known good one if nothing else)
2) check grounding cables, be sure all the connections are good.
3) check motor, be sure its not locked up tight...

Just some basic starting points.



> I had a friend tell me it sounded like a torque converter, but
> am interested
> in other possible reasons and solutions. I have even heard it may be miss
> wiring or even the cylanoid.
>

That's a new one by me ... I suppose in the realm of possibilities it would
be there, but pretty far back on the list in my opinion ... check the
wiring and stuff. If you are hearing a clunk, then the solenoid is likely
doing its job ...

Just my $.02
wish

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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:06:11 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 429 Emissions in '79

Sean. I suggest you pretend your engine is a 460. The 460 was offered in '79
in 2wd (not 4X4), so there has to be some information about the emissions in
books (both Ford manuals and aftermarket). I also suggest you obtain a drivers
side valve(rocker arm) cover from a truck/van 460 as close to '79 as you can
find (later will do also, but prior years would not be wise) and stick it on
your truck, as it has the tuneup/emissions information on it. I personally
think if you follow the emissions related information for the 460 and install it
on your 429, it will pass the Ohio emissions test. You should be able to find a
460 truck/van someplace within driving distance of you in a salvage yard (or
even better if you can find one running and the current owner will let you
inspect/look it over) and go look at it and make comparisons to your 429 as to
the vacuum routings/fittings, air pumps/brackets/pulleys/belts and such that
you might need. Any competent muffler shop can tell you if you need cats or not
and the installation cost for them to do it (still pretending it is a 460).

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 11:07:26 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Instrument clusters

> Well it looks like I have some rewiring in front of me then.
> Does it make any
> difference that he has a 429 in that truck(Originally a 351M)?

That would probably depend on what you have under your hood ... if its a
6cyl you could have issues, otherwise they are quite likely very similar ...
actually I'm not sure how the underhood harness would be different, I would
think they would need the same number of wires going the same places if you
had lights or gauges ... anyone clear that part up for me ?

> Will I have to change
> the electronic ignition module over, or can I just plug in the
> one that I already
> have in my truck?

You'll want the module for your truck, the plugs themselves should be the
same ... provided you're both stock of course...



> Will the parts guy know what I'm talking about
> when I ask for
> sending units for gauges as opposed to lights?
>

If you ask for sending units and he doesn't ask if you have a light or a
gauge, slap him upside the head for me will you ? :) Just kidding, but
that is a standard question before you even open a book unless they know
ahead of time ... they shouldn't even blink when you tell them you have the
gauges ...

Just my $.02
wish

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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:10:17 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Tranny fluids

John LaG. writes: >>A change of the fluid and filter does wonders for
transmission performance

Amen. AND longevety.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:15:47 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Stumbleing

John writes: >>Ran super for a couple of weeks. All of a sudden it
>has started to stumble at acceleration, REALLY stumble. Have rechecked
>timing, plug wires, looked for loose plugs. Where do I look first (next)?
>Thanks,

Accelerator pump (insufficient raw gas when opening the throttle plates) or
vacuum advance sticking or not working at all.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 09:17:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: Daniel DiMartino
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Starter Problem

look at the battery!! i saw the same thing on my father's
ranger. he swore up and down everything mechanical that could
go wrong was bad. this was due to the fact it would't jump
start with cables from a running truck. i got him a new battery
and the truck ran fine.

===
Daniel DiMartino

1968 F-250 soon to be a 4x4
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:24:48 -0400
From: "R. B. Morris, Jr."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Long lost lurker

Hi gang, I've been mostly lurking for about a year now on this list. Mostly
because I've been so busy with my truck that I couldn't spare time to
correspond, just pick out the juicy bits and pieces of wonderful F-Series
knowledge. Enough with the embellishing and to my queries. I've got a
1970 F100 under restoration that's minus a few parts and I can't seem to
find them anywhere. Junkyards here in Michigan (Many thanks Mike Elmer for
the Florida parts, I got the disk brakes done) usually get rid of anything
older than 78 because by now the salt has turned them all to dust. Does
anyone know where I can find (cheap) a pass. side emergency brake cable(or
is there a newer vehicle I could rob this from) and the engine parts of the
clutch linkage for a 302 (Sorry, that's all I had, no 352 or 360 or 390)

Any help will be greatly appreciated. I'll be posting some pics of the
truck to my recently started (last night) webpage detailing my progress on
this project.

Thanks again,
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 09:30:23 -0700
From: MC
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Super Cobra Jet

George Litton wrote:

> Matt,
> Sorry, but you owe somebody an apology.

Yeah, I told him he was right last night. I never talked to the guy that was
running the ad, this was just a conversation with a friend of mine that had read
it. I'm pretty good at telling people I'm wrong. :)

> 429SCJ heads have screw-in rocker
> studs, and very large ports. So large on the intake side, in fact, that
> the valve cover bolts go into the port. Large vacuum leak if one of these
> bolts is missing. D0OE-6090-R is casting #. My books say that CJ and SCJ
> had different screw-in studs, but make no mention of what the difference is.
> Buyer beware, I guess. Maybe someone else on the list has more info?
> Good Luck.




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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:30:11 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Dash volts

Bas writes: >> So you're saying it is just a steady 5v?

That is pulsating 5vdc. I really don't know that a steady 5vdc would make a
great difference or not, but it definately pulsates originally, and very slow
pulses at that.

Azie
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:33:16 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Valve cover bolts

Dennis writes: >>The Cleveland has eight (8) bolts holding each valve cover
on...

That's the quickest way I know to tell the difference (besides performance).
Oops!
Doesn't the C & M share head design??? The M also has 8 bolt holes doesn't
it??? You're thinking of the W, I think.

Azie
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 11:39:04 -0500
From: "John R. Austin"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Long lost lurker

I got both e-brake cables at NAPA for a '67 F100 - About $20 - Fit
perfectly.

- ----- Original Message -----
From: R. B. Morris, Jr.
To:
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 11:24 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Long lost lurker


>Does anyone know where I can find (cheap) a pass. side emergency brake
cable(or
> is there a newer vehicle I could rob this from) >
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 09:47:14 -0700
From: MC
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Instrument clusters

"William S. Hart" wrote:

> That would probably depend on what you have under your hood ... if its a
> 6cyl you could have issues, otherwise they are quite likely very similar ...

I've got a 360 in mine. At least until I swap in the 390 out of my other truck.

> actually I'm not sure how the underhood harness would be different, I would
> think they would need the same number of wires going the same places if you
> had lights or gauges ... anyone clear that part up for me ?

That is what I thought too, but I figured it would be better to know now than to
have surprises later.

> If you ask for sending units and he doesn't ask if you have a light or a
> gauge, slap him upside the head for me will you ? :)

LOL!!! That would be quite the sight! Whack! That's from Wish! He said you
should ask if I have lights or gauges! LOL!!!

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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 10:35:54 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Valve cover bolts

Thanks for your message at 12:33 PM 8/11/99 -0400,
am14 daimlerchrysler.com. Your message was:
>Dennis writes: >>The Cleveland has eight (8) bolts holding each valve cover
>on...
>
>That's the quickest way I know to tell the difference (besides performance).
>Oops!
> Doesn't the C & M share head design??? The M also has 8 bolt holes doesn't
>it??? You're thinking of the W, I think.

Wow! This is an old mistake that I'm trying to forget...


Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:26:56 -0400
From: "George W. Selby, III"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: 460 rear end

You are correct that a 9" will hold up to a mega power engine, however this
guys problem is that he is hauling around a cabover camper on his F-150.
This grossly exceeds the weight rating for the axle, and blown axle
bearing are the sure result. He needs a bigger axle for weight hauling
rather than power capacity.

George Selby
78 F-150 400M, 4 on floor, 4x4
86 Audi 4000CS Quattro
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:27:22 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - thinking

Stu writes: >>Maybe I am thinking of a T-19 ???

Who knows what you might be thinking, Stu!! Not me I assure you.

The T19 is basically a T18 with a syncroed 1st gear, from what I understand.

Azie
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:36:09 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Very late post

Look closely at the attached post and tell me why it took 4 or 5 weeks to show
up???????
It is on todays digest.....Hey wait a minute -- I just looked at the Digest #
and it is 236 dated July 6th..... I just got it.... Anyone want to venture
and guess why?????????? I'm open.....
>>
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 13:04:33 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: door panels

Looked at some interior door panels over the weekent that I had promised to do.
They are a dark green. (money pit green??? as someone said) The passenger side
has a crack in it and a "chip" out of it. The drivers side seems to be in
excellent shape. If interested, I will give both a "Once Over" to make sure I
haven't missed anything. They are from a '77 F250 that I am parting out the
cab. Severe rust.

I'm probably answering post that have been solved looonnnngggg ago.

Oh well.

Ardmore, Al.
Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:47:55 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Very late post

> It is on todays digest.....Hey wait a minute -- I just looked
> at the Digest #
> and it is 236 dated July 6th..... I just got it.... Anyone
> want to venture
> and guess why?????????? I'm open.....


> I'm probably answering post that have been solved looonnnngggg ago.
>

Its okay Azie, we know how it goes as you get older :) just kiddin. But
to add to the confusion the mail servers around here are actin up, so let me
take this opportunity to apologize if you get my mail twice ( I wouldn't
notice 'cause I'm getting everything twice already! )

Just my $.02
wish

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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:08:14 -0700
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Super Cobra Jet

Yes, you will need another book. Steve Christ's book does not cover =
the
385 series at all.

Tom H

> ----------
> From: MC[SMTP:draygo pacifier.com]
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>=20
> "William L. Ballinger" wrote:
>=20
> > You can tell an FE (428) from a 385 series (429) by looking at the
> > valves. A 428 has the valves in a straight line, the 429 has them
> > staggered.
>=20
> Thanks. Another one for the FTE folder. I finally broke down and =
ordered
> Steve
> Christ's book from Amazon.com a couple of days ago, so maybe I can =
start
> figuring some of this out. I understand that this is the bible for =
FE's,
> so am
> I going to need to pickup another for the 385's? Maybe I should tell =
my
> buddy
> to buy that one instead. I've got a 360 and a 390 and he has two =
429's.
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:19:51 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - F600

John writes: >>He also asks if there is significant difference between the
F-600 mat and the F-350 mat.

The cabs have nothing in common, so I would venture to say that the mats are
totally different.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:35:40 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Rear axle bearings

Mark in SW Wash writes: >>
The manual says to drill a 1/4" hole in the retainer and break it off with
a chisel. My retainer looks a lot wider than the illustration and looks
like it should be pressed off. It is a collar, 3/4" wide and 1/4" thick.
One 1/4" hole definitely won't do it. Anyone run across this before?

Yes - 1st time just last week -- so drill two holes as close as possible
thru it and still use the chisel

>>The manual also says to mark the axles because they are different lengths.
Mine are the same length, but the wear marks on the splines are different.
Should I be concerned about this?

Should not matter as long as they are the same length. Might even give you a
bit longer life by reversing them, since the constant strain will be on new
spline sides, so to speak...

>>Do I have to go to Ford for new retainers? I don't suppose a bearing
house might have them?

No. I got mine at Autozone. Came with the bearings. In same box.

>>If there is pitting where the seal meets the axle, what are my options?
Is there a speedy-sleeve for this application?

Can't help you here.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:05:58 +0100
From: robertwerner postmaster.co.uk
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Which engine?

I can't remember if I posted a message about the 77 460 my neighbor has, but
I'd, like to get a mid to late 70's 4x4 F-150 and drop that 460 in it, but I'm
thinkin maybe that might be too much. 302's are fairly common round these
parts, with the occaisional 351. A 302 or 351 would be much easier to put in a
F-150 wouldn't it, while the 460 would require more modifications? I might even
be able to find a 390, I don't know. I might even consider a 300 straight six.
Would the 460 go better in a 250? Being as I'm only a Junior in High school,
price is also a factor. Finally, did Ford make any small Deisels that would
work for this application? Any advice would be greatly appreciated, thanks.

Robert

91 F-150 Lariat 4x4 300 six
89 Probe LX 2.2
84 Mercedez Benz 300D


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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:31:02 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Super Cobra Jet

How to Rebuild Your Ford V-8 351C-351M-400-429-460 by Tom Monroe. HPBooks,
ISBN 0-89586-036-8.

Available at Amazon.com.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

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From: Hogan, Tom
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 12:09 PM
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Super Cobra Jet


>Yes, you will need another book. Steve Christ's book does not cover the
>385 series at all.
>
>Tom H
>
>> ----------
>> From: MC[SMTP:draygo pacifier.com]
>> Reply To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 12:04 PM
>> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Super Cobra Jet
>>
>> "William L. Ballinger" wrote:
>>
>> > You can tell an FE (428) from a 385 series (429) by looking at the
>> > valves. A 428 has the valves in a straight line, the 429 has them
>> > staggered.
>>
>> Thanks. Another one for the FTE folder. I finally broke down and ordered
>> Steve
>> Christ's book from Amazon.com a couple of days ago, so maybe I can start
>> figuring some of this out. I understand that this is the bible for FE's,
>> so am
>> I going to need to pickup another for the 385's? Maybe I should tell my
>> buddy
>> to buy that one instead. I've got a 360 and a 390 and he has two 429's.
>>



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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:54:41 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 440

Rich May writes: >>My father had a 1967 Galaxie and it was setup to be a racer.
He swears
that the guy that sold it to him said that it had a 440 in it. I know
that this is not a Ford engine(440) but he swears that is what it had.
Are there any engines aroung there(ci) that he could have been mistaken
with or could any of them have been bored out to make it a 440? I am at
a loss. I want to find out for sure what the engine was. He said that
the car was very rare when he had it and that he wishes he hadn't sold it.

1967 Galaxie could be had with a 428 (4.13 bore). Now if you took a 427 block
(bore of 4.23) and inserted the 428 crank, and got some aftermarket 428 Pistons
that were .100" over (back to the 427 bore of 4.23) , you would have a 447.

Azie
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:56:11 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Which engine?

> I can't remember if I posted a message about the 77 460 my
> neighbor has, but
> I'd, like to get a mid to late 70's 4x4 F-150 and drop that 460
> in it, but I'm
> thinkin maybe that might be too much. 302's are fairly common
> round these
> parts, with the occaisional 351. A 302 or 351 would be much
> easier to put in a
> F-150 wouldn't it, while the 460 would require more
> modifications? I might even
> be able to find a 390, I don't know. I might even consider a
> 300 straight six.

OKay, slow down tiger ... I think the bigger question is what do you want
the truck to do ? A 460 is not stock in a 4x4 until sometime after 78 (some
will argue they came out in 79, others say 80, so go fig), so no matter what
you do, some changes will be required to put a 460 into one of these. There
are kits available, but it can get expensive. If you have a vehicle with a
351M or 400, then you can likely use the same tranny and such if you swap in
a 460. If you have a 302 or 351W or anything else, the motor will not bolt
to the tranny without changing the tranny out if its an auto, if its a
manual, then you may be able to change just the bellhousing...

If you are towing and racing all the time, then a 460 is probably good. If
you are just using it as a daily driver and rarely towing, then you can
probably "suffer" with something less than that. A 390 was not available in
the 4x4 either, but will bolt in where a 360 sat with no problems (I did
that this spring). The FE series (360/390) motors are fairly torqey and can
get you good performance, not what a 460 is, but pretty good overall. The
easiest motors to find parts for will be the 302's and 351W's, as they were
made all the way up until the mid 90's (a 5.0 is a 302 with some updates to
the block and such). This also means there are lots of aftermarket parts
available, and fairly cheap too.

In the end you'll have to decide what you want to do with it and what fits
in your price range, both for initial purchase and maintenance, though
there's not a lot of difference in maint. prices between a 460 and a
351/302.


> Would the 460 go better in a 250?

Since everything's about the same size under the hood, it won't really
matter, the extra weight may be better handled by a 250, but the 390 I have
doesn't weigh much less and the 150 seems to be coping with it easily.


> Finally, did Ford make any small
> Deisels that would
> work for this application?

Not from the factory those years ... sorry.

Just my $.02
wish

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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:24:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: rich may
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 427SOHC

Does anyone know which car/cars they would have been offered in? Maybe
a 1967 Galaxie 500??????

- --- am14 daimlerchrysler.com wrote:
> Ian writes: >>what i understand is that the 427
> SOHC was never put in a
> production car,
>
> You may be correct, but I'm fairly certain they
> offered it in a production run
> of 500 or so units to make it a legal entry for
> NASCAR, but then NASCAR banned
> it anyway, as they did the HEMI from C*rysler. No
> argument either way.
>
> Azie
> Ardmore, Al.
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:48:22 EDT
From: Toydually aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - F600

What year of F-600?

Brian

65 F-250 Custom Cab Camper Special
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:46:23 -0700
From: "Danger"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Ouch,.. That Hurt!

While browsing photos of the tornado which struck SLC, Utah today, I
came across one of a Ford which was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
People in SLC aren't supposed to have to worry about things like tornadoes!

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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 22:17:46 EDT
From: JefriHansn aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Pilot bearing

Took my IRA back to the hobby shop tonight. Pulled the Transfer case and
Transmission. Pilot bearing was GONE! Brand new - motor's the 69 429 -
fresh - about 10-20 miles - transmission is fresh - those same 10-20 miles -
replaced bearings and input shaft. Input shaft had shoved about 1/8 into the
pilot bushing - and that's NOT an exageration. Input shaft was measure for
measure the same. Clutch is new - hell EVERYTHING's new. Except the block,
Lakewood bellhousing, and transmission case. Tomarrow gonna get another
pilot bearing and install it and the bellhousing - measure the distance to
the mating surface for the trans. Then measure the trans. to bushing surface.
The guys at the hobby shop just couldn't beleave it - but then again
watching everything else go wrong every time I did something these last three
months - could. GOD I prey the thrust bearing is okay - to scared to pull
the pan and look - should I. Don't have ANY more money re-rebuild it if it
is. Any ideas other then my wife's: "SELL IT, SELL IT, SELL IT"? Her sell
it is starting to cross my mind as I'm hearing it more and more often - but
like the guy who was writing this weekend. Selling it would be like an
unwanted divorce - been there - done that.
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:24:18 -0700
From: Mike Pacheco
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Ouch,.. That Hurt!

I'll bet that Ford would still run if you gave it a chance.
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:42:59 -0500
From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Pilot bearing

JefriHansn aol.com wrote:

Input shaft had shoved about 1/8 into the
> pilot bushing - and that's NOT an exageration. Input shaft was measure for
> measure the same. Clutch is new - hell EVERYTHING's new. Except the block,
> Lakewood bellhousing, and transmission case. Tomarrow gonna get another
> pilot bearing and install it and the bellhousing - measure the distance to
> the mating surface for the trans. Then measure the trans. to bushing surface.

Is the Lakewood bellhousing exactly the same dimensions as your stock
bellhousing? Block flange to the tranny flange? It sounds like the
tranny has been moved toward the engine, for some reason.
Jason
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 22:22:57 CDT
From: "PitStop Performance"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Why do we Ford guys get screwed by the parts guys all the time!?!?!?

Hello all,

I am sure many of you have ran into this problem before. I am in the
process of rebuilding a mild 351M. I have the lower end all done and will be
working on the upper as time and money permit. Well, I see an ad for valves
(mine are, in the words of the man that did the head work, thin). The ad
stated "$2.99 (SBC) and up..." well, $2.99 for Ch*vy valves, then Ford
valves can't be that much more, right? I mean, a valve is a valve....

So I check the prices.. $11.99 for intake and $12.99 for exhaust!! WHAT!
Man, four times the price.... GEEZ!! There can't be that much more to a Ford
valve (if any more).

Well, now that I am done raving anyone know of a good source for Ford engine
parts?

Thanks.


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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 22:25:54 CDT
From: "PitStop Performance"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Dennis Carpenter

Does anyone know how/where to get one of the catalogs? I had one a few years
ago, but it is lost after 4 moves. Can't find it on the net....

Thanks.


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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 23:53:51 EDT
From: Spike188 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Rear Bumper question

Here's an easy one. Will an original rear bumper from a 77 F150 bolt on to
my 67 F100? Just eyeballing, it looks like it will but I wasnt sure if the
frame width was the same. Thanks
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 23:56:09 -0400
From: Ted Wnorowski
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dennis Carpenter

Try this link: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dennis-carpenter.com/catalogs.htm

Ted Wnorowski
Bellevue,OH


At 10:25 PM 8/11/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Does anyone know how/where to get one of the catalogs? I had one a few
>years ago, but it is lost after 4 moves. Can't find it on the net....
>
>Thanks.
>
>
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Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 00:10:14 EDT
From: IanBoss69 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 427SOHC

In a message dated 8/11/99 9:38:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
am14 daimlerchrysler.com writes:

> You may be correct, but I'm fairly certain they offered it in a production
> run
> of 500 or so units to make it a legal entry for NASCAR, but then NASCAR
> banned
> it anyway, as they did the HEMI from C*rysler. No argument either way.
when it was banned the planned production was canceled, thats why the things
cost more than a brand new cobra,,,

Ian
79 F250 4x4 4spd 351M
True Blue Ford BLue
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Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 00:13:18 EDT
From: IanBoss69 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Starter Problem

In a message dated 8/11/99 11:40:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
mwarren kimbellmuseum.org writes:

> I have even heard it may be miss
> wiring or even the cylanoid.
>
My truck had similiar problems, I'd go ahead and just get another solenoid,
theyre only like 7 bucks, and take about 5 seconds to swap,,,,the parts store
guy said that was what was wrong with my truck when i told him that the
starter was clicking,,,but i was inside the cab when i tried to start
it,,,ended up being the solenoid clicking and a bad ground,,,so if you're
sure its the starter clicking,,,then go ahead and try the new solenoid

Ian
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Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 00:20:44 EDT
From: IanBoss69 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Why do we Ford guys get screwed by the parts guys all the tim...

In a message dated 8/11/99 11:25:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
thepitstop hotmail.com writes:

> So I check the prices.. $11.99 for intake and $12.99 for exhaust!! WHAT!
> Man, four times the price.... GEEZ!! There can't be that much more to a
Ford
>
> valve (if any more).
>
It has to do with volume,,,,i hate to say it,,,,and i truly despise the idea
but every one ones a SBC even me,,,i hate it,,,,but see chevys need alot of
new valves cause they burn em up all the time,,,fords are better and dont
need as many so the production is lower and the cost is higher,,,supply and
demand,,,,hehehe,,,,

Ian
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Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 00:27:50 -0400
From: "Timothy R. Anderson"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FE strokes

Hey Azie,
Yep, Wish has it right. I do have a 428 crank.
I was just wondering about overbores & such.....


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