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61-79-list-digest Wednesday, August 11 1999 Volume 03 : Number 282



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In this issue:

RE: FTE 61-79 - FE's
RE: FTE 61-79 - Cu In (FE)
FTE 61-79 - Instrument clusters
FTE 61-79 - New man with '79
FTE 61-79 - Motorcraft Q-jet carb
Re: FTE 61-79 - looking for a 429 and truck parts
Re: FTE 61-79 - FE's
RE: FTE 61-79 - Super Cobra Jet
RE: FTE 61-79 - FE's
RE: FTE 61-79 - Super Cobra Jet
FTE 61-79 - FE's
RE: FTE 61-79 - FE's
Re: FTE 61-79 - looking for a 429 and truck parts
FTE 61-79 - Truck Hesitates when accelerating from stop
Re: FTE 61-79 - My Lightning Vs. "New" Lightning
Re: FTE 61-79 - Truck Hesitates/Stalls when accelerating from stop.
Re: FTE 61-79 - Super Cobra Jet
Re: FTE 61-79 - looking for a 429 and truck parts
FTE 61-79 - Super Cobra Jet
Re: FTE 61-79 - Lubricant/quieter for rubber doorseals?
Re: FTE 61-79 - New man with '79
Re: FTE 61-79 - Truck Hesitates when accelerating from stop
FTE 61-79 - Re: Cobra Jets 428/429
Re: FTE 61-79 - FMX to AOD Conversion
FTE 61-79 - Bendix vs. Ford Gearbox, Pump With or Without Reservoir
FTE 61-79 - Factory A/C for 69 F250
FTE 61-79 - RE: 429

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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 16:08:43 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - FE's

> 406? Never heard of that one. But then, I never heard of a 410 until I
> joined this list. So what did the 406 come in?
>

It was a high performance motor in the early 60's ... came in the full size
Fords mostly.

Just my $.02
wish

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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 16:08:06 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Cu In (FE)

> So a 428 crank (for the longer stroke) and a 390 bore = a 410?

Now you're catchin on ... they used it for a year or two in the Merc's
(67ish)


> So what does a
> 428 crank cost? Can they still be purchase new, or are the a
> boneyard treasure?
>

Boneyard treasure is one way to put it... good luck finding one, they are
out there, but they are usually pricey too...


Just my $.02
wish

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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 16:15:19 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Instrument clusters

Matt writes: >> I've got a '76 F150 with idiot lights. My buddy has a '77 F150
that
he is parting out and it has the gauges instead of the lights. Can I
just plug his gauge cluster into my wiring harness and expect it to
work, or will I have to get new sending units? Please don't tell me that
I'll have to do anymore rewiring............Ok, if you have to, you can
tell me, but I won't like it.

They aren't interchangeable directly. Different wiring harnesses under the dash
and under the hood. If you get the engine harness, the underdash harness and
the cluster, then it will work.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 15:55:32 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - New man with '79

Jeff writes: >>Now, I don't know if I should drop a 351 or 390 in it, or go for
beefing up the 302. I was told that a 460 would be overkill, and the 5 lug
rear end wouldn't handle it anyway.
The 302 runs good, burns no oil (even with the load), has a 2 bbl carb,
stock (2into1) exhaust, etc.
I could add a dual exhaust system, electric fan (there is no fan clutch
now), better air cleaner, etc. Or go for some headwork, RV cam, etc.

Welcome to the list.

Whoever told you the FOMOCO 9" rear wouldn't take the 460 doesn't know the
FOMOCO 9" rear. It took the 427SOHC and the 429Boss. Both produced in the
neighborhood of 600HP.

The choice of engine here is dependent on several things, but personally I would
locate a rebuildable 351W (complete from fan to flywheel and carburator to oil
pan) in your favorite salvage yard, and give it a complete rebuild and remove
the 302 and insert the 351W. This is a straight forward swap in. Any other
motor you choose will require more changes, but can be done.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 17:26:41 -0400
From: Tony Marino
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Motorcraft Q-jet carb

Hey Guys-

Not to long ago I needed a part for this holley carb that I was selling, so
I went to the local race shop and asked if he had any carbs sitting around
I could steal the metal choke plate off of. The guy said he didn't have
any holleys, but had an old Motorcraft Q-jet carb that he used to run on
his boat. So for a few bucks I bought the thing, took the little metal
choke cap plate off that I needed and sold it with my holley. Now I'm
left with this carb and have heard good things about Q-jets and offroad
performance because of the float bowl configuration. The ONLY markings on
this thing are the actual casting that says "MOTORCRAFT" and that's all!
It really is clean, Is this thing worth keepin? Any info greatly appreciated!

Tony
tony pscico.com
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 17:37:58 EDT
From: TWL1911 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - looking for a 429 and truck parts

Hey
yeah it may not be as fun but it should keep me out of trouble because this
is gonna be the family farm trcuk you know the good truck so i dont want to
be out denting it up any ways a locker and some wieght in the back i should
go any where i please
Travis
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 17:41:12 -0500
From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FE's

> 406 = 4.13 bore 3.78 stroke.

Doh!! How could I have forgotten that one?
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 16:45:19 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Super Cobra Jet

Thanks for your message at 03:22 PM 8/10/99 -0500, William S. Hart. Your
message was:
>429 SCJ Torino ... they are sweet machines. If I ever remember to bring the
>pic in I'll scan it for you.
>
>The SCJ was available in 70 on the Torino's and Cyclone's, and 71 in the
>'stang as I remember it ...
>
And will the SCJ heads bolt right on and work on a standard 429?
Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 16:46:23 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - FE's

Thanks for your message at 04:08 PM 8/10/99 -0500, William S. Hart. Your
message was:
> > 406? Never heard of that one. But then, I never heard of a 410 until I
> > joined this list. So what did the 406 come in?
> >
>
>It was a high performance motor in the early 60's ... came in the full size
>Fords mostly.
I believe 1962 was the first year for the 406.
Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 19:07:24 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Super Cobra Jet

> >429 SCJ Torino ... they are sweet machines. If I ever
> remember to bring the
> >pic in I'll scan it for you.
> >
> >The SCJ was available in 70 on the Torino's and Cyclone's, and 71 in the
> >'stang as I remember it ...
> >
> And will the SCJ heads bolt right on and work on a standard 429?


Should bolt right up, the head itself is the same as a CJ head, the Super
part usually refers to the way the bottom end was put together (extra
beefy!)

Just my $.02
wish

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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 20:34:50 -0700
From: "O'Connor"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FE's

Hi,
The 406 came in 62 and 63 cars as my memory serves.

Tim
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:28:29 -0500
From: Stu Varner
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - FE's

At 04:08 PM 8/10/99 -0500, you wrote:
> > 406? Never heard of that one. But then, I never heard of a 410 until I
> > joined this list. So what did the 406 come in?
> >
>
>It was a high performance motor in the early 60's ... came in the full size
>Fords mostly.
>

Oh yes, and let's not forget the awesome tri-power setup many of them had
sitting
between the heads!!! To see a restored or nice original 406
tri-power....absolute works of art!!!
They belong with a DaVinci or Monet in a museum! Awesome to look at and
great runners too!!!

Woof woof!

Stu
Nuke GM!
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 21:32:31 EDT
From: TWL1911 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - looking for a 429 and truck parts

Hey all
any ways back to this truck i would really like an automatic just because you
know the family farm truck has to be eazy for ever body to drive is it a c-6?
and i want to put a shift kit in it so it will hold the gears longer and yada
yada yada. i relly would like to avoid a dually set up just because well
duallys are pretty help less with out 4x4. i would like to stick with 76 or
newer i promises i wouldnt get anything older. and i think the 429 would be
a really great motor for hauling hay and running down the interstate. any
info on how to make this truck crank out about 300 horse to will be
appreciated
thanks all
travis
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 21:37:42 -0400
From: Garry Bowling
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Truck Hesitates when accelerating from stop

I to am beginning to notice that my engine is wanting to hesitate when
taking off from a stop. Starting isn't a problem nor is driving.
Occasionally when setting at a idle for long periods in hot weather I do
get vapor lock. However, I am noticing the hesitation and believe I
need to nip it in the bud so to speak before it becomes a problem.
Truck is my 67 and the engine is a 352 rebuilt with 28000 miles. Carb
is a Carter 600 4bbl. The carb is new and was installed about 5000
miles ago. I have a mechanical fuel pump.

What are some things I should immediately look at. I have changed air
filter, gas line has two inline filters due to problem that caused the
new carb. The only thing that I can think of is the pump which was
replaced when the engine was rebuilt.

Has anyone added electronic fuel pump to 67=72 truck?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

It seems when I finally think I am rounding the corner with completely
finishing this truck something else rears it ugly head. Last problem
was the rear end. I just changed the gas tank sending unit and have the
new speedometer cable housing to install. Now I have noticed this
hesitation for the last 5 or 6 days. Aaaarrghhhh it never ends.

Thanks
Garry Bowling
garrya bellsouth.net
67 F100 Longbed.

p.s. Stephen Kings Christine was on TV over the weekend. My wife gave
the truck the same name because she says its like that demon possed car.



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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 21:42:54 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - My Lightning Vs. "New" Lightning

Just this past Sunday I wasted one of those 454 Super Slugs on the freeway.
Just another case of who can get to the rop of the on ramp first. That 454
was workin hard, but I tell ya, it sounded like it was wheezing. Hard to
explain, but I dont have to, cuz old Tweety won. Not bad for a truck thats
20 yrs older, and about 1500 lbs heavier.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 21:57:05 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Truck Hesitates/Stalls when accelerating from stop.

In a message dated 8/10/99 12:28:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
Matarratas email.msn.com writes:


and sometimes stall if I do not feather the gas just right. >>

This is a tell tale sign of a bad Power Valve.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 22:01:41 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Super Cobra Jet

In a message dated 8/10/99 12:52:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
draygo pacifier.com writes:


The guy that placed the ad. The 429 SCJ was an option for the Mustangs and
Torinos. As I reacll it was part of the "Drag Pack" option. Ive seen one
once, 429 SCJ in a beautiful lime green Torino fast back. It was like a
dream. thing had a rumple to it that shook the ground, but you colud set a
glass of water on the air cleaner, and it wouldnt even hint at rippling.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 22:03:09 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - looking for a 429 and truck parts

In a message dated 8/10/99 1:29:35 PM Pacific Daylight Time, TWL1911 aol.com
writes:

>


YEAH RIGHT! Obviously you havent been reading my posts!


Darrell Duggan

74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 22:06:14 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Super Cobra Jet

> I just need someone to tell me I'm right. Some friends and I were going
> through the nickel ads when one of them found an ad for "429 SCJ" heads.
> It got my attention, but I told him that there is no 429 SCJ, only a 428
> SCJ, and a Boss 429. So who is right? Me, or the guy that placed the ad?
> And if these are 428 SCJ heads, how would I know for sure, and what are
> they worth? I suppose it could have been a typo also.

Ford made both 428 and 429 SCJ's Most usually they came with the "Drag
Pack." 4.30 gears and Traction-Lok, and if memory serves right, an oil
cooler.

You can tell an FE (428) from a 385 series (429) by looking at the
valves. A 428 has the valves in a straight line, the 429 has them
staggered.
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 00:10:56 EDT
From: WEDIVE247 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Lubricant/quieter for rubber doorseals?

In a message dated 99-08-10 13:56:17 EDT, you write:


works, let me know! I have just been too lazy lately, besides I'm not sure
I want to hear the other noises that I'm sure the door squeak is covering up
>>

How about silacon lub. that we use for our scuba diving gear ????
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 00:43:40 EDT
From: IanBoss69 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - New man with '79

In a message dated 8/10/99 5:18:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
am14 daimlerchrysler.com writes:

> It took the 427SOHC and the 429Boss. Both produced in the
> neighborhood of 600HP.
what i understand is that the 427 SOHC was never put in a production car,,,,i
remind you of how many times ive been wrong

Ian
79 F250 4x4 4spd 351M
True Blue Ford Blue
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 01:08:02 EDT
From: GMontgo930 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Truck Hesitates when accelerating from stop

In a message dated 8/10/99 9:39:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
garrya bellsouth.net writes:


taking off from a stop. Starting isn't a problem nor is driving.
Occasionally when setting at a idle for long periods in hot weather I do
get vapor lock. However, I am noticing the hesitation and believe I
need to nip it in the bud so to speak before it becomes a problem.
Truck is my 67 and the engine is a 352 rebuilt with 28000 miles. Carb
is a Carter 600 4bbl. The carb is new and was installed about 5000
miles ago. I have a mechanical fuel pump.

What are some things I should immediately look at. I have changed air
filter, gas line has two inline filters due to problem that caused the
new carb. The only thing that I can think of is the pump which was
replaced when the engine was rebuilt.

Has anyone added electronic fuel pump to 67=72 truck?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>>

I ran into a weird case on my Bronco w 400M. The pump would get week. hi
speed cruise & slow acceleration was OK. But If I nailed it from a stop or
pulled a heavy load, she'd sputter, miss, and act all kinda funny till I took
my foot outa the throttle. Chased this problem from Tx to Ca and back to NM
before I found the week pump. Flow looked OK, just no volume. Happened again
several years later when that pump failed. Haven't seen it since '92 (Now
watch, it'll happen tomorrow, but Hey Im ready). Mine would act up after the
bowl emptied, Off the line it was good.

Something to think about.

George
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 22:33:49 -0700
From: "Steven Salas"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Cobra Jets 428/429

Matt was asking about the 429 SCJ . Yes there is such an animal, and yes
like the CJ/SCJ 428, they are rare. The CJ/SCJ 429 heads are really too big
( port size ) for street use. For excellent performance use a CJ size valve
in a standard 429 head. This can be applied to FE heads as well. The
machine work to do this is usually a little more work than a regular valve
job but not much. Well worth the gains IMHO. If anyone is actually
interested I have a pair of 428 CJ heads that I wish to part with. Contact
me off list for details. Thanks, Steve



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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 22:43:23 -0700
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FMX to AOD Conversion

I'm pretty sure that a '92-'95 AOD is going to be the computer controlled
version, so you would need a stand-alone computer for it.

Rade
- -----Original Message-----
From: James Krehmke
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, August 09, 1999 8:19 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FMX to AOD Conversion


>I have a moderately warmed-up 351 Windsor in my 78 Ranchero. The stock
FMX,
>with shift kit, behind is is getting tired. I'd like to update to an AOD.
>
>My research says the best one is from a '92-93 5.8 pickup, as it has the
>large OD band.
>
>Would appreciate hearing from anyone who's done this swap, as to the
>potential pitfalls.
>
>-jwk-
>
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 01:02:15 -0700
From: "Danger"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Bendix vs. Ford Gearbox, Pump With or Without Reservoir

Could somebody explain the differences between the Bendix and the Ford
power steering gearboxes? There seems to be at least 3 different pumps
available, one without reservoir and two with reservoir. Which pump works
best and why?
I was considering using the p/s setup (Bendix gearbox tag #HCE-G 28547)
which I removed from a 68 F250 CS as a core, but I'd like to know what the
differences are between Ford and Bendix before upgrading my 69 F250.

TIA
Danger



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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 01:52:11 -0700
From: "Danger"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Factory A/C for 69 F250

Since I've finally completed the important mechanical restoration of
both of my 69 F250's (woohooo!), it's time to move on to the items of
comfort such as air conditioning. I'm not real happy about the idea of
replacing all of the factory a/c items with remanufactured units, but it's
probably the best way to go since it hasn't been operational for many years
(been in boxes). At least I've removed the old pulleys and pressed new ones
on already... hehe

The compressor I've got has a FoMoCo tag which states to use 1 3/4 lbs
of R-12 and also has numbers...

No. Y363785J
PT C8ZX2875A

What are the options available to me? I don't mind money
on a/c, but I'd like to get it right the first time and make it last for
awhile.

TIA
Danger



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