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61-79-list-digest Tuesday, August 10 1999 Volume 03 : Number 281

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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Re: FMX to AOD swap
FTE 61-79 - Re: Anodized trim
FTE 61-79 - mohawk and Henry in the grass
FTE 61-79 - Ford and Harley-Davidson Unveil Limited Edition 2000 F-150 Pickup Truck
FTE 61-79 - New Power Steering Pump?
Re: FTE 61-79 - '65 F-100 rear end ratio and tranny.
Re: FTE 61-79 - My Lightning Vs. "New" Lightning
FTE 61-79 - Re: Rear ends (was Looking for Power)
FTE 61-79 - whinin'
FTE 61-79 - good 302 for sale
FTE 61-79 - Re: Rear ends (was Looking for Power)
FTE 61-79 - mohawk
RE: FTE 61-79 - good 302 for sale
RE: FTE 61-79 - My Lightning Vs. "New" Lightning
FTE 61-79 - FE's
RE: FTE 61-79 - mohawk
FTE 61-79 - emissions
FTE 61-79 - emissions:sorry for the mess
FTE 61-79 - Cu In (FE)
FTE 61-79 - 429/460 backing plate
FTE 61-79 - Lubricant/quieter for rubber doorseals?
FTE 61-79 - Locked in 4Lo
RE: FTE 61-79 - Goodbye Old Friend
RE: FTE 61-79 - Suspension How to
RE: FTE 61-79 - Cu In (FE)
RE: FTE 61-79 - Lubricant/quieter for rubber doorseals?
FTE 61-79 - Cu In (FE?)
Re: FTE 61-79 - looking for a 429 and truck parts
FTE 61-79 - Update on slumbering van and question on flashers...
RE: FTE 61-79 - looking for a 429 and truck parts
RE: FTE 61-79 - Update on slumbering van and question on flashers...
RE: FTE 61-79 - Ford parts houses
RE: FTE 61-79 - looking for a 429 and truck parts
Re: FTE 61-79 - Update on slumbering van and question on flashers...
FTE 61-79 - Questions About 1967 F-350
FTE 61-79 - Re: Ford parts houses
Re: FTE 61-79 - VIN Number
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Wiring and other parts.....
Re: FTE 61-79 - good 302 for sale
FTE 61-79 - 3sp for 4sp swap
RE: FTE 61-79 - good 302 for sale
FTE 61-79 - Truck Hesitates/Stalls when accelerating from stop.
RE: FTE 61-79 - Questions About 1967 F-350
FTE 61-79 - Getting paid
FTE 61-79 - Super Cobra Jet
FTE 61-79 - FE availability
Re: FTE 61-79 - FE's
Re: FTE 61-79 - Cu In (FE)
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Wiring and other parts.....
Re: FTE 61-79 - looking for a 429 and truck parts
Re: FTE 61-79 - looking for a 429 and truck parts
Re: FTE 61-79 - looking for a 429 and truck parts
RE: FTE 61-79 - Truck Hesitates/Stalls when accelerating from stop.
RE: FTE 61-79 - Super Cobra Jet

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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 07:31:26 -0400
From: Steve Schaefer
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: FMX to AOD swap

> I have a moderately warmed-up 351 Windsor in my 78 Ranchero. The stock FMX,
> with shift kit, behind is is getting tired. I'd like to update to an AOD.
>
> My research says the best one is from a '92-93 5.8 pickup, as it has the
> large OD band.
>

I did this swap in a 79 T-Bird (same chassis) a few years ago. Everything was pretty much a
bolt in except for the bracket that is required to hold teh throttle valve cable. I had a
floor shifter and the bolted right up. If you have a colunm shifter a bracket may be
required there also. The driveshaft was the correct length for me, but of course I had to
change the yoke. The crossmember had to be moved back to the second set of holes (I think,
this was 5-6 years ago). This tranny is big, so it is a tight fit, but it does go. If you
have any other questions, feel free to ask.
Steve S.
www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Shop/8663/

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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 08:32:56 -0400
From: tfreeman

murphyfarms.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Anodized trim

If it cost to much to have them redone, you might want to consider the new ones
that Dennis Carpenter makes.

- -Ted

>I took my '70 Ranger to the body shop today, but realized
>my old "chrome"
>is going to look pretty tired next to the new paint. Can
>anyone recommend a
>good place to send the trim to have dents removed and re-
>anodizing? The
>truck is being restored, so I don't want to use any of the
>do-it-yourself
>methods. Any recommendation would be appreciated. TIA
>Jacques

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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 08:35:58 -0400
From: tfreeman

murphyfarms.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - mohawk and Henry in the grass

I didn't have a problem with his site....I guess it might be browser specific.

I hurt myself laughing.....I needed the comic relief. I don't think I could've
done it.

I liked the truck though...

Later,

- -Ted

> Well Chief Wahoo McDaniels Lagrone, I got nothing but
encrypted
> garble......
>
> I desperatley wish to see the hawk! 8^)
>
Well for those of you who wanted to see the hawk .... here
it is :

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ranger3.cc.iastate.edu/mohawk.jpg

hope that helps out, and hope John doesn't mind! I'll just
leave it up til
they get it straightened out on the regular page ...

Just my $.02
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:07:28 -0400
From: kpayne

ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Ford and Harley-Davidson Unveil Limited Edition 2000 F-150 Pickup Truck

For those that aren't aware of this, Ford Truck Enthusiasts has
press privileges and access to Ford Motor Company's press agent
site. We update this news section of the web site regularly
with Ford press releases.

Normally, we don't announce any press releases on the lists but
today we have one that might be of interest to many of you:

Ford and Harley-Davidson Unveil Limited Edition 2000 F-150
Pickup Truck

If you go to the main web site page:

http://www.ford-trucks.com

...you'll find the link to the news section on the right hand
side of the screen under a newspaper pic.

Later,
Ken
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 06:46:14 PDT
From: "Dane Berthelsen"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - New Power Steering Pump?

My power steering stopped working. I first thought it had run out of fluid,
and I added some more, but it only lasted for a little while. It looked like
as if the fluid is coming up through the dipstick so I replaced it, but it's
still coming out.

First question - is my steering pump gone ? If so, I can probably get a one
from the junk yard. My truck is a 77 f150 with a 400 engine - will it be
hard to find one, or will most power steering pumps from a ford truck fit ?

Second question - what kind of fluid is recommended to put in the power
steering pump. I went to the local Grand Auto store and they had too many
brand to chose from. Are they all more or less the same ?

Third question - if the pump is gone, what would have caused it to fail ? It
is an old truck, but still. My steering is a little loose, but I wouldn't
think it had any impact ?

Thanks,
Dane

77 f150 400M

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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 08:49:08 -0500
From: "Darryl Wright"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '65 F-100 rear end ratio and tranny.

>>Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA
>What he meant was correct - if you turn the wheel twice, the differential
>will rotate the driveshaft in the correct ratio. The banjo will rotate the
driveshaft only half the revs because one wheel is on the ground. Put a
chalk mark on the
>driveshaft, near a non-moving item, such as a shaft bearing housing. Rotate
>the wheel exactly two revolutions. The number of turns the driveshaft makes
is your rear-end ratio.
>Darryl Wright
>Tillie - 76 F-250 460 C-6 Supercab
>
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:14:32 -0400
From: frenz.6

osu.edu (Dale Frenz)
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - My Lightning Vs. "New" Lightning

>Hmmm...sorry to say this, but I get sick of seeing it on the Mustang boreds
>too, you are running a hopped up truck against a stock one.

On one hand I agree with you, but under the circumstances I can
hardly not break a smile when you talk about a factory truck with a blower
as "stock". In my opinion, I'd say we were fairly matched considering the
equipment. Only a purest would debate that I was out-gunning him because my
blower wasnt included in the build code.
In any event, I dont feel bad about driving past him, or driving
past 5.0 Mustangs, or driving past rice burners, or any other "stock"
vehicle that my truck is giving up hundreds or thousands of pounds to.
The only thing that would have been even more sweet was if I had
the 460 in Ruby and blown him away. Long shot, oooooh yes..... but imagen
the look you'd get when your old '79 supercab 4x4, with the "non-factory"
equipment, went hammering by. Now that'd be flat out comical.

Dale
'79 Ruby

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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 08:19:11 -0600
From: "Richard Currit"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Rear ends (was Looking for Power)

Rich Southerland says:
>Showing my newness, but wouldn't a 3/4 ton have 8 lug wheels?

Got me. He claims 5 lugs, I guess I'm kinda new at this too. In the
240,000 miles on this truck the only thing I've played with in the
rear was the wheel bearings. And since, kinda hate to admit this on
the list, this is the only Ford I've ever owned I'm kinda new at the
game too. But we all gotta start somewhere.

High Plains Richard
'71 F-100
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:16:20 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - whinin'

>>Sorry, just gettin tired of the whinin ...

Hey, Bill. Cheese goes good with whine......

- -- John
jlagrone

ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom LWB Regular Cab 351M C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:44:19 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - good 302 for sale

>I thought in 1984 they went to FI.
>
> This is a full sized Marquis. It might be an 83 model. It is the
> clone of a
> Crown Vic.
> I am 100% positive it has the feedback carb. If it
> was EFI, it
> would be sitting in my driveway right now. :-)
>

Hmmm...interesting ... I wonder if the EFI had something to do with the
options on the car? My grandmother bought an early 80's Crown Vic new ...
its got EFI. I was always told it was an 83. Fun car, it is brown so
everyone thinks its a state trooper, though that's happening less and less
... its just sitting now, she's got a newer car she drives all the time.

> Isn't Washington just a little ways past the panhandle? :-)
>
All depends on your reference points, compared with the moon, yeah :)

Just my $.02
wish

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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:07:04 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - My Lightning Vs. "New" Lightning

> >Hmmm...sorry to say this, but I get sick of seeing it on the
> Mustang boreds
> >too, you are running a hopped up truck against a stock one.
>
> On one hand I agree with you, but under the circumstances I can
> hardly not break a smile when you talk about a factory truck
> with a blower
> as "stock".

Hmmmm.... so the Talon TSi isn't a "stock" car ? I don't get this. I'll
grant you that the Lightning is a limited production vehicle, but its still
stock because it comes with a full warranty and you don't have to change
anything on it to have the blower ... even the TC's and SC's of the 80's and
90's respectively had blowers on them, don't think anyone ever suggested
they weren't stock ...

>In my opinion, I'd say we were fairly matched considering the
> equipment.

To determine this, how much horsepower are you putting out ? If the hp's
line up pretty close, then you're evenly matched....

> In any event, I dont feel bad about driving past him, or driving
> past 5.0 Mustangs, or driving past rice burners, or any other "stock"
> vehicle that my truck is giving up hundreds or thousands of pounds to.

I don't expect you to feel bad, he was foolish enough to run you ... run
what you brung. I think its quite different to fly past a 5.0 or a rice
burner than it is to fly past another Lightning ... you aren't giving up any
weight to the other pickup, or if you are its just incidental due to body
style changes and such ...

Hmmm...I'm trying to think of an analogy but can't come up with anything
good ...

> The only thing that would have been even more sweet was if I had
> the 460 in Ruby and blown him away. Long shot, oooooh yes..... but imagen
> the look you'd get when your old '79 supercab 4x4, with the "non-factory"
> equipment, went hammering by. Now that'd be flat out comical.
>

Now that would be cool because it would be a way bigger and much much older
truck ... a totally differen scenario ... not to mention that would've made
me think he was a bad driver or the truck was slow, but you aren't bursting
any bubbles by saying that your modified newish truck beat a stock new
one...

What's anyone else think ?

Just my $.02
wish

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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 11:10:53 -0400
From: am14

daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FE's

Been on vacation and am many moons behind ----

Jason writes: >>Bore and stroke for various Fe's

352 = 4.00 bore 3.50 stroke
360 = 4.05 bore 3.50 stroke
390 = 4.05 bore 3.78 stroke
410 = 4.05 bore 3.98 stroke
427 = 4.23 bore 3.78 stroke
428 = 4.13 bore 3.98 stroke

And I add:
406 = 4.13 bore 3.78 stroke.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:17:06 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - mohawk

> Thanks, Bill. I don't mind in the least. All of my Macs load it
> without any
> trouble.

But they're Macs, they don't know any better :) (I work with them for a
living, so I can say that)

> Tony got it.

Just because I downloaded it and sent it to him directly ... :)

Is that by chance a BMP file ? Sometimes viewers have trouble with that ...
also should be uploaded in Raw Data form, not Mac Binary if you're using
Fetch on those things ....

Just my $.02
wish

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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:55:02 -0600
From: Sean B Cardwell
Subject: FTE 61-79 - emissions

This is my first posting to this list, I have been reading
for about a month but have not posted anything yet. Anyways,
I just got back from getting my '78 F250 with a 460 C6 transmission
and holley 4bbl carb tested for emissions and it failed. Here in Salt
Lake City, Utah they test it at 15MPH and 25MPH on the tread the
following are my readings:
%CO2 %O2 HC(ppm)
CO% NO(ppm)
test meas meas max ave meas max ave
meas max ave meas
15mph 9.6 0.1 517 73 240 3.82
0.77 8.10 3782 996 514
25mph 8.5 0.2 497 55 261 3.72
0.68 9.93 3582 864 259

As you can see the CO is way above the max. They gave me a pamphlet
that listed these as the possible causes:
- - dirty air filter
- - clogged PCV system
- - partially closed choke
- - incorrect carburetor setting
- - dirty engine oil
- - faulty oxygen sensor
- - engine wear

I just bought the truck last year and I am just learning some
mechanics. I rebuilt the carb earlier this summer and the exhaust pipes
look much cleaner now than they did before and it seems to run smoother
too. I also increased my gas mileage by about 2mpg after the rebuild.
I believe the carb is an after market Holley and doesn't have any
emissions type features. The engine was rebuilt at 96,000 miles and now
has 124,000 miles on it. Also the charcoal canister is not connected to
anything and I don't know what it should be connected to via a vacuum
hose, it only hase one nipple on it. There is a capped nipple coming up
from the intake manifold just in front of the carburetor, is that what
it should go to? Do any of you have any suggestions besides the ones
listed in the pamphlet and what kind of incorrect carburetor settings
would be a cause? Thanks in advance for any help you might give.

- -- Sean Cardwell
cardwell

cs.utah.edu
tignlamb

wans.net

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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:10:22 -0600
From: Sean B Cardwell
Subject: FTE 61-79 - emissions:sorry for the mess

I am sorry I guess my table didn't turn out so good so here sre the
readings in a better format:

15mph test:
%CO2 9.6
%O2 0.1
HC(ppm) max:517 meas:240
CO% max:3.82 meas:8.10
NO(ppm) max:3782 meas:514

25mph test:
%CO2 8.5
%O2 0.2
HC(ppm) max:497 meas:261
CO% max:3.72 meas:9.93
NO(ppm) max:3582 meas:259

sorry for the mess again

Home email tignlamb

wans.net
Work email cardwell

cs.utah.edu

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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 12:45:04 -0400
From: am14

daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Cu In (FE)

Tim writes: >>What's a 428 block going to set you back up in AK? Even if you
find one
for $400 would you be able to feel a $400 difference between 428 and 416
ci (390 block, 4.05 +.030 overbore)? Same stroke, comparatively low
RPM's in a truck.

Yo Tim..... Someone else has probably already corrected you, but the stroke on
a 390 and a 428 are not the same.....390 = 3.78 - 428 = 3.98
A 390 + .030 = 395.36 Cu In

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 12:51:04 EDT
From: JefriHansn

aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 429/460 backing plate

HELP! I'm looking for the plate that goes between the block and
bellhousing for a 69 429/460. Not a single junk yard in the Chicago area
yellowpages can help. Buddy of mine says it's about 1/8" thick and required
to keep the crank/input shaft spacing adequate. This truck didn't have it
when I bought it and bolting it all back together after this major rebuild
has resulted in the same pilot bearing distruction in it's short 20 mile life.
Would also like an OEM 351/400M - 429/460 bellhousing to mate up to the
NP 435 also. No-one admits to having one of these also. Can anybody help?
E-mail me.
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:13:10 EDT
From: Marinalaws

aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Lubricant/quieter for rubber doorseals?

Greetings all:

My '62 F100 squeaks horribly from two places: rubber door seals, and the
rubber insulating mounts for the gas tank. The sounds subsided during
winter, but now are back.

Any suggestions? I am wary of applying something which will damage/eat the
rubber. For the gas tank mounts, will need to be a penetrating agent.

Other than that the truck is running great. I enjoy the list, and thank all
for their valuable input.

Bill McMahon
Oakland, CA
marinalaws

aol.com
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:35:00 -0400
From: am14

daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Locked in 4Lo

Rich writes: >>Yesterday I took my 76 F-250 on an off-road excursion and it
will not
> disengage out of 4 low

Try lifting one wheel off the ground with a jack. This will free the binding
and should allow you to select any shift position available. If it doesn't free
up, then I would think the linkage(to the transfer case) is binding, and a trip
underneath your vehicle to look at the shift rods, while your friend is trying
to move the selector would be in order.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:43:27 -0700
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Goodbye Old Friend

(Snif) Well said brother.

Tom H

> ----------
> From: ballingr

ldd.net[SMTP:ballingr

ldd.net]
> Reply To: 61-79-list

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> Sent: Sunday, August 08, 1999 4:27 PM
> To: Ford Truck Enthusiasts
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Goodbye Old Friend
>
> Well, I have to say goodbye to an old friend here. This is a long post,
> but I make no apologies, this is the forum of my choice.
>

> Good bye old friend. We had a Goddamn blast together! I hoist a Beast
> to 'ya, and wish you well.
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:43:30 -0700
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Suspension How to

Bill,
is this a 2 wheel drive or a 4X4? I'm assuming a 2wd since many 4X4 owner's
are looking to go the other way in altitude. That being said our twin I
beam suspensions don't lend themselves well to altered ride heights. If you
cut the springs or install shorter ones the tires will tilt (camber
measurement) inward and the tire will be riding on the inside edge. There
is no adjustment to correct the camber short of bending the I beams. There
are some companies that offer "dropped" I beams or spindles. The modified I
beam has a kingpin mounting point that is higher than stock. The modified
spindle has the axle stub mounted higher on the spindle. Both work with
stock springs and create a lowered stance by effectively moving the wheel
"up" in the wheel well.

Check out an Issue of Truckin or Sport truck for ads of manufacturers that
offer these products.

Tom H

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> To: 61-79-list

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> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Suspension How to
>
> I have a 1979 F-100. This is my first attempt at fixing a truck up. So far
>
> so good. I have a '95 302 in it and it runs really well. I'm almost done
> with all the body work and will be ready to paint in a couple more weeks.
> I
> started to think about lowering the stance of it a little. I don't want to
>
> put it in the weeds. Just low enough to look good. I'm not really sure how
>
> to go about doing this. If anyone has ideas or has done this before let me
>
> know. By the way. I'm a sophmore in college so it can't be super
> expensive.
>
> Thanks
> Bill Richardson
> 79 F-100 Ranger
>
>
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 12:46:47 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Cu In (FE)

> Tim writes: >>What's a 428 block going to set you back up in
> AK? Even if you
> find one
> for $400 would you be able to feel a $400 difference between 428 and 416
> ci (390 block, 4.05 +.030 overbore)? Same stroke, comparatively low
> RPM's in a truck.
>
> Yo Tim..... Someone else has probably already corrected you,
> but the stroke on
> a 390 and a 428 are not the same.....390 = 3.78 - 428 = 3.98
> A 390 + .030 = 395.36 Cu In
>

Azie, that's what I was thinkin, then I figured he was building a 410 ...
didn't figure his math could be off that much, apparently he's got a 428
crank already ...

Just my $.02

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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 12:52:46 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Lubricant/quieter for rubber doorseals?

> Any suggestions? I am wary of applying something which will
> damage/eat the
> rubber. For the gas tank mounts, will need to be a penetrating agent.
>

Anything that is not petroleum based should work fine without attacking the
rubber and causing it to deteriorate ... and if you find something that
works, let me know! I have just been too lazy lately, besides I'm not sure
I want to hear the other noises that I'm sure the door squeak is covering up
...

:)

Just my $.02
Wish

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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 11:10:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: rich may
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Cu In (FE?)

My father had a 1967 Galaxie and it was setup to be a racer. He swears
that the guy that sold it to him said that it had a 440 in it. I know
that this is not a Ford engine(440) but he swears that is what it had.
Are there any engines aroung there(ci) that he could have been mistaken
with or could any of them have been bored out to make it a 440? I am at
a loss. I want to find out for sure what the engine was. He said that
the car was very rare when he had it and that he wishes he hadn't sold it.
_____________________________________________________________
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 14:09:54 EDT
From: TWL1911

aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - looking for a 429 and truck parts

hey all
does anyone in the area have a tired or a doa 429 for sale? also i would like
to know if any one has a 3/4 frame or a 1 ton frame with the cab but no box?
i would really prefer 2 wd vs. 4wd (just because insurance is cheaper and
manitnece is lower) i live in iowa so if anyone sees one or some thing drop
me a line
Travis
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 11:14:41 -0700
From: "Southerland, Rich"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Update on slumbering van and question on flashers...

Hello all.
Got the slumbering van (77 E150 sat for four years, given to us) pretty much
awake. Had to drop both tanks. One was too rusty to use and the other
cleaned up well thanks to someone's suggestion of using lacquer thinner. So
for right now, we're using only one tank (midship). I bypassed the
switching valve and installed a clear filter before the pump so I can keep
an eye on it. I plan on keeping a spare in the van at all times.

Got the carb rebuilt and now she fires right up with just a quick tap of the
key. Darn thing starts faster than my fuel-injected C#evy!

Problem now is the turn signals don't work. Either side. Bulbs are new and
correctly installed. Sockets look good. Hazard flashers work, but don't
flash LR bulb and LF bulb flashes out of sync with the right side.

Odd, huh?

I checked the factory book and the wording is kinda vauge. Is there a
seperate flasher for the turn signals? Where is it?
Could a bad turn signal switch be the cause (feels kinda sloppy). The van
has cruise control (no tilt) and I can't find a used switch anywhere. New
one from Ford is $100. Could I use a switch from a non-cruise van (I don't
know if the cruise works anyway and I think turn signals are a little more
important.)?

Thanks in advance.
Rich

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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 11:23:56 -0700
From: "Southerland, Rich"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - looking for a 429 and truck parts

Bummer. I live in Sacramento and while at a wrecking yard over the weekend
saw a complete 429 in a Marquis. Complete from carb to pan. Could be had
for $99. If anyone is interested, drop me a line off list and I'll hip you
to it's location...

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Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 1999 11:10 AM
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Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - looking for a 429 and truck parts

hey all
does anyone in the area have a tired or a doa 429 for sale? also i would
like
to know if any one has a 3/4 frame or a 1 ton frame with the cab but no box?

i would really prefer 2 wd vs. 4wd (just because insurance is cheaper and
manitnece is lower) i live in iowa so if anyone sees one or some thing drop

me a line
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:31:20 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Update on slumbering van and question on flashers...

> Got the carb rebuilt and now she fires right up with just a
> quick tap of the
> key. Darn thing starts faster than my fuel-injected C#evy!
>

Great, glad its workin so welll ...

> Problem now is the turn signals don't work. Either side. Bulbs
> are new and
> correctly installed. Sockets look good. Hazard flashers work, but don't
> flash LR bulb and LF bulb flashes out of sync with the right side.
>
> Odd, huh?
>

Not really, means the ground is bad somewhere there ... one is grounding
through the other to even come on, then when power is applied the one goes
off because the voltages are equal... something like that, but classic
symptoms of a bad ground wire somewhere...

> I checked the factory book and the wording is kinda vauge. Is there a
> seperate flasher for the turn signals? Where is it?

Yes, they should both be tucked up under the dash ... mine aren't mounted
anywhere, so you may find them hiding between things to keep them from
rattling, or they could be in mounts on the dash frame somewhere ....

> Could a bad turn signal switch be the cause (feels kinda
> sloppy).

Could be ... for the signals not working, doesn't explain the lights acting
funny...

> The van
> has cruise control (no tilt) and I can't find a used switch
> anywhere. New

I'd track down that loose ground first and see if that's causing your turn
signals to maybe not work ... then pull the wheel off and see what the
switch looks like, you may be able to get away with cleaning up the contacts
on the points in there ... we managed to sneak that through on our 57 Olds,
don't even wanna think what one of those would cost to replace...

Just my $.02
wish

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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 11:31:06 -0700
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Ford parts houses

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the 300 does not have a timing chain. I think
it uses a direct mesh gear drive. It may be tougher to machine direct mesh
gears than roller chain gears. Any input from you machinists?

Tom H

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> To: 61-79-list

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> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Ford parts houses
>
> Neal wrote:
> >By the way steel gear sets are available for the 300, for about $70. My
> Ford
> >dealer was able to order me a set.
>
> WOW!! I paid about $30-$35 for my Cloyes steel set from Clifford when I
> rebuilt
> my 300 I6. I knew the dealer was always high, but this is ridiculous!
> And Clifford is pretty proud of their parts, too!
>
> Dave H
>
> PS Still haven't heard about the difference between the Carter carbs and
> the
> Autolites (if there is a difference).
>
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:32:29 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - looking for a 429 and truck parts

> does anyone in the area have a tired or a doa 429 for sale? also
> i would like
> to know if any one has a 3/4 frame or a 1 ton frame with the cab
> but no box?
> i would really prefer 2 wd vs. 4wd (just because insurance is
> cheaper and
> manitnece is lower) i live in iowa so if anyone sees one or

Wow, one of the first Iowans I've heard of lookin for a 2wd old truck ...
where're you at in this state ?

Just my $.02
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 11:42:14 -0700
From: "James A. Doty"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Update on slumbering van and question on flashers...

Hi:

I had a '75 E-150, and currently have a '78 E-150, my girlfriend has a '79
E-250.

All three have seperate flash units for the emergency flashers and blinkers.

I don't know if this is related but the turn signal switch on my '75 was pretty
badly worn out. The left brake light would not come on when brakes were
applied unless I lifted the turn signal arm slightly to take the weight off it.

I got pulled over one night when my left brake light didn't come on at a
stop sign. I found out the turn signal switch was bad later when I tried to
track the problem down and discovered the left brake light at first would
only come on if I had the blinker switch set to run the right blinkers.

Hope this helps.

James A. Doty
dotyj

earthlink.net

"Southerland, Rich" wrote:

> Hello all.
>
> Problem now is the turn signals don't work. Either side. Bulbs are new and
> correctly installed. Sockets look good. Hazard flashers work, but don't
> flash LR bulb and LF bulb flashes out of sync with the right side.
>
> Odd, huh?
>
> I checked the factory book and the wording is kinda vauge. Is there a
> seperate flasher for the turn signals? Where is it?
> Could a bad turn signal switch be the cause (feels kinda sloppy). The van
> has cruise control (no tilt) and I can't find a used switch anywhere. New
> one from Ford is $100. Could I use a switch from a non-cruise van (I don't
> know if the cruise works anyway and I think turn signals are a little more
> important.)?
>

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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 14:52:48 -0400
From: "Graves, Greg"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Questions About 1967 F-350

While I have a few questions about my '67 f-350, they are probably
applicable to all '67 f series trucks owners. I have a '67 dual wheel F-350
with factory stake bed. The original drive train was a 352 w/ 4 speed.
When I got it, the 352 had been replaced by a '70 model 390. The previous
owner said that the least confusing method of buying engine related parts
was to ask for parts for a 1968 F-350 since a 390 was not available in the
truck in 1967. Here are some of the problems I have ran into by doing this:

1. I recently had to replace the radiator so I decided to do the
whole hose/thermostat replacement thing. I bought the parts using the
above mentioned . The bottom hose fit fine. However, the top radiator
hose and thermostat did not. Apparently when the engine was replaced,
the accessories off of the 352, including the water neck, were put on the
390. The '67 water neck uses a 2" diameter hose and a larger thermostat.
The '68 and later FE's use a
1 3/4" upper hose and smaller diameter thermostat. Does this sound
right?

2. When I got the truck, it had a fan shroud off some GM
product. At the same time of the radiator replacement, I put in a fan
shroud from a '68 F-series. It fits fine, but it seems that more of the fan
is out of the shroud than in it. The fan is a clutch type that appears to
be original to the current engine. Is the fan up in the shroud far enough,
or do I need a spacer between the shaft and water pump?

3. Lastly, the truck has dual wheels on the back, but
standard 8 lug wheels up front. I have seen original Ford literature
showing a '67 F-350 with dual style wheels front and back. Is there an
adapter available for the front so I can use the same kind of wheel all
around?

Thanks in advance for any help with these questions.

Greg Graves
Facilities Services
UNC-Chapel Hill
GGraves

fac.unc.edu

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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 14:45:09 -0400
From: David Henderson
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Ford parts houses

Tom Hogan wrote:
>Correct me if I'm wrong, but the 300 does not have a timing chain. I think
>it uses a direct mesh gear drive.

Yes, you are correct. Twice!

That was part of the point. My direct mesh "precision set" from Cloyes (and
yes, they were steel) was about half the cost of his stock steel set from Ford.
I sent a set of steel timing gears for a 300 back to Carolina auto parts that
would have cost me about $17, I probably didn't gain anything by going with
the Cloyes set, but you know how it goes. "keep the 'performance' part or the
'stock' one???".... No chains were used on either truck.

A question for the group that I have been pondering.

How many inches of Hg vacuum should I be pulling at 1) idle (~800 RPM) 2) 1000
RPM 3) 1500 RPM and 4) 2000 RPM? Currently, I know I am pulling about 16-17
inches Hg at idle. Probably the altitude making it that high.

Dave Resch, what are you pulling there in Colorado?

Thanks!!

Dave H

PS Hg => Mercury
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 16:57:27 +0200
From: "Bill Brox"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - VIN Number

Is it possible to get the build sheet from Ford for my truck (1965 F-100).
Does anyone have the e-mail address to the Ford museum ?

Bill

>
> At 10:01 PM 8/9/99 -0400, you wrote:
> >Can someone check my VIN number and tell me about the truck.
> >VIN: F10YCB 17093
> >1967 F100 Long bed
> >
>
> Garry B.
>
> F10 = F-100 4x2
> Y = 352 FE (Oh yes!! and FE!!! wooohooo!!!!!!)
> C = Built in Ontario, Canada
> B17093 = Built sometime in April of 1967
>
> Send more info from the door plate and I will magically tell more! 8^)
>
> Later,
>
> Stu
> Nuke GM!
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 20:44:44 +0200
From: "Bill Brox"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Wiring and other parts.....

Ya,,, you think you have a problem with towing lights,,,LOL how do you
think it is to fit towing lights to an old American car in Norway,,, where
the car or truck has red brake and turn signals, and the trailer has amber
and separate turn signals, and red brake lights ???

So, when you hit the brake pedal and put on turn signals at the same time,
one of the brake lights starts flashing, but both brake lights on the
trailer is steady on, and the turn signal on the trailer comes on
instead...

I know how to do it, but it is a hassle every time,,,and no diodes
please...yuck yuck!
At least it is far from painless !!!..... LOL

Bill

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> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Wiring and other parts.....
> Date: 10. august 1999 04:05
>
> Why don't they have a Ford Painless Wiring Kit.... and furthermore, why
> doesn't the Truck kit have a towing light package in it? It is afterall
> about $100 more than the car kit.
>
> Anyway, will probably get the truck kit anyway and splice in the tow
lights.
> "what a pain"
>
>
>
> On Thu, 05 Aug 1999 22:33:19 PDT, Art Verling wrote:
>
> >
> > Summit Racing has some good links. I called on a nice kit with a fuse
> block
> > & all the wire for about 380.00 seemed like a good deal to me.
> >
> > www.summitracing.com
> >
> > Painless Performance
> > 9505 Santa Paula Dr.
> > Fort Worth, Texas 76116
> > 800) 423-9696
> > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.painlesswiring.com/
> >
> > Good luck,
> > art.verling

excite.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 21:08:06 +0200
From: "Bill Brox"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - good 302 for sale

Hi, does anyone know about a newsgroup or e-mail list for Mercurys,,,, I
wish I could get to know some others that were into big Mercs... like my
Colony Park 1979.
Need parts, and need some to talk to...

Bill

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> To: 61-79-list

daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 3sp for 4sp swap

Ohio Bill writes to Phil: >>I convereted my 68 F100 from a 3 speed to a 4
speed. It's pretty simple...
Provided your 3 speed is a toploader, and you're replacing it with
a 4 speed Toploader, the tranny will bolt to the bellhousing. You
may need to replace your clutch disk (if the spline-count on the input
of the 4 speed is different) and throw-out bearing, but you were gonna do
that anyway, right? Except for that, everything in the bellhousing will work
fine. The 4 speed Toploader is a bit longer in the case, so you'll need to
get your driveshaft shortened. Finally, you'll need to make sure the
spline count on the output of the 3 and 4 speed are the same (or else get a
driveshaft yoke w/ the proper spline count).
If you have any more questions, email me off list.

He's more likely talking about the car version of 4 sp here and not the "Granny"
geared 4 sp normally associated with trucks.(ie NP435's and T18/19's)

Azi e
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 12:22:03 -0700
From: "Southerland, Rich"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - good 302 for sale

for starters, try www.stationwagon.com

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Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - good 302 for sale

Hi, does anyone know about a newsgroup or e-mail list for Mercurys,,,, I
wish I could get to know some others that were into big Mercs... like my
Colony Park 1979.
Need parts, and need some to talk to...

Bill

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> To: 61-79-list

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> Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - good 302 for sale
> Date: 10. august 1999 16:44
>
> >I thought in 1984 they went to FI.
> >
> > This is a full sized Marquis. It might be an 83 model. It is the
> > clone of a
> > Crown Vic.
> > I am 100% positive it has the feedback carb. If it
> > was EFI, it
> > would be sitting in my driveway right now. :-)
> >
>
> Hmmm...interesting ... I wonder if the EFI had something to do with the
> options on the car? My grandmother bought an early 80's Crown Vic new
..
> its got EFI. I was always told it was an 83. Fun car, it is brown so
> everyone thinks its a state trooper, though that's happening less and
less
> ... its just sitting now, she's got a newer car she drives all the time.
>
>
> > Isn't Washington just a little ways past the panhandle? :-)
> >
> All depends on your reference points, compared with the moon, yeah :)
>
> Just my $.02
> wish
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 15:23:28 -0400
From: "Matarratas"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Truck Hesitates/Stalls when accelerating from stop.

The truck in question has a 351M engine with an Autolite 2150 carb with
ERG(not working). The truck starts just fine and idles decent for a truck
with 120k. When I start to go and give the truck more gas it will hesitate
and sometimes stall if I do not feather the gas just right. I have checked
the vacuum lines attach to the carb to make sure nothing is loose or
cracked. I also used carb cleaner thinking there maybe a clogged in one of
the jets. The next thing that I did was choke the carb a few times while
running the engine to see if it would also remove what ever may be clogging
the carb. After these two attempts at fixing the carb did not work I
adjusted the fuel/air mixture but that did not help either. The carb is
getting enough fuel because I used a half gallon jug and the electric fuel
pump started to full the jug up very quickly. I have been using the this
electric fuel pump for about a four months because the other electric pump
died. Any suggestions on how to fix the problem would be great because the
next thing I would be doing is getting a new carb. If any other info needed
just ask.

Thanks
Warren

F-150 XLT Ranger
F-100 Custom(In the paint shop)

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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 14:27:16 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Questions About 1967 F-350

> 1. I recently had to replace the radiator so I decided to do the
> 390. The '67 water neck uses a 2" diameter hose and a
> larger thermostat.
> The '68 and later FE's use a
> 1 3/4" upper hose and smaller diameter thermostat. Does this sound
> right?
>

Yup, matches with what I've seen ...

> 2. When I got the truck, it had a fan shroud off some GM
> product. At the same time of the radiator replacement, I put in a fan
> shroud from a '68 F-series. It fits fine, but it seems that
> more of the fan
> is out of the shroud than in it. The fan is a clutch type that
> appears to
> be original to the current engine. Is the fan up in the shroud
> far enough,
> or do I need a spacer between the shaft and water pump?
>

It doesn't need to be in the shroud, just slightly outside will work fine
... I don't think I've ever seen a spacer used with a clutch on a Ford ...

Hope this helps

Just my $.02
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 15:37:54 -0400
From: am14

daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Getting paid

Don writes: >>I'll go sit by the mail slot and wait for my check.

Don't - I repeat DO NOT hold your breath until the check arrives.

Azi e
Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 12:43:29 -0700
From: MC
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Super Cobra Jet

I just need someone to tell me I'm right. Some friends and I were going
through the nickel ads when one of them found an ad for "429 SCJ" heads.
It got my attention, but I told him that there is no 429 SCJ, only a 428
SCJ, and a Boss 429. So who is right? Me, or the guy that placed the ad?
And if these are 428 SCJ heads, how would I know for sure, and what are
they worth? I suppose it could have been a typo also.

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Subject: FTE 61-79 - FE availability

Don writes: >>Does anyone know when the FT's were first available?

1965 introduced the FT (actually in the small F series it is the FE) in the
displacement of 352 cu in.

In cars it was 1958 in the displacement of 332 cu in.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 12:49:02 -0700
From: MC
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FE's

406? Never heard of that one. But then, I never heard of a 410 until I
joined this list. So what did the 406 come in?

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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 12:55:22 -0700
From: MC
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Cu In (FE)

"William S. Hart" wrote:

> Azie, that's what I was thinkin, then I figured he was building a 410 ...
> didn't figure his math could be off that much, apparently he's got a 428
> crank already ...
>
> Just my $.02

So a 428 crank (for the longer stroke) and a 390 bore = a 410? So what does a
428 crank cost? Can they still be purchase new, or are the a boneyard treasure?

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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:07:38 -0700
From: MC
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Wiring and other parts.....

Mark Rogers wrote:

> Why don't they have a Ford Painless Wiring Kit.... and furthermore, why
> doesn't the Truck kit have a towing light package in it? It is afterall
> about $100 more than the car kit.
>
> Anyway, will probably get the truck kit anyway and splice in the tow lights.
> "what a pain"

Are these kits supposed to be for the entire truck? All the wiring in the dash,
engine compartment, and all the way down the chassis? If so, I may have to do
that myself. Let me know how it goes.

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Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - looking for a 429 and truck parts

i am near Des Moines the reason i want 2 wd it will keep me from doing stuff
i shouldnt do
Travis
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:35:00 -0700
From: MC
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - looking for a 429 and truck parts

I just scored a 429 for a buddy of mine for free. I was talking to one
of my uncles a couple of weeks ago and he told me about this 428 with a
2 barrel carb he had in an old 3/4 ton ford out at his property. He told
me that I could have the motor as long as I hauled the truck off. Well I
went and looked at it, and it turned out to be a 429 with a 4 barrel
instead. I was a little disappointed (cause I want to stick with the
FE's) but my friend could hardly contain himself. He has been wanting to
get another 429 or 460 to replace the 351M in his Bronco, and free was
right in his price range! We wound up towing the truck down to my
buddy's house and started messing with it one morning after work. The
truck hadn't been run since 92, but after removing the spark plugs and
spraying lube down the cylinders and then using a drill to spin the oil
pump until we had oil in the valve covers, It fired right up. We let it
run for a few minutes and it seems to run pretty good. Now if I could
get that kind of deal on a 428 SCJ......yeah, I know, not likely.

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