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61-79-list-digest Tuesday, August 3 1999 Volume 03 : Number 270



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - RE: Stuck in 4wd
FTE 61-79 - Battery Exploding!
FTE 61-79 - hood ornaments
FTE 61-79 - automatic choke etal
FTE 61-79 - tire sizes
FTE 61-79 - safety
FTE 61-79 - AC systems and Freeze12
FTE 61-79 - Edelbrock carb not acting right
Re: FTE 61-79 - AC systems and Freeze12
Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 into a 76 F250
Re: FTE 61-79 - hood ornaments
Re: FTE 61-79 - Safety
Re: FTE 61-79 - new 390 running, some problems
Re: FTE 61-79 - AC systems and Freeze12
RE: FTE 61-79 - 460 into a 76 F250
Re: FTE 61-79 - Edelbrock carb not acting right
[none]
Re: FTE 61-79 - Run-On
FTE 61-79 - AC systems and Freeze12
FTE 61-79 - Re: AC systems and Freeze12
FTE 61-79 - Re:
FTE 61-79 - Vin Decoder
Re: FTE 61-79 - Vin Decoder
RE: FTE 61-79 - Battery Exploding!
RE: FTE 61-79 - Battery Exploding!
Re: FTE 61-79 - hood ornaments
FTE 61-79 - Re:
FTE 61-79 - Strange problem resolved
FTE 61-79 - odometer
FTE 61-79 - 2-barrel
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re:
Re: FTE 61-79 - Starting Problem FIXED !!!!!
FTE 61-79 - Genetic Mutations, or what they name GM cars after.
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re:
Re: FTE 61-79 - brakes
Re: FTE 61-79 - 2-barrel
Re: FTE 61-79 - 2-barrel
Re: FTE 61-79 - odometer
FTE 61-79 - master cylinder
RE: FTE 61-79 - odometer
Re: FTE 61-79 - master cylinder
FTE 61-79 - Re: 390 Pistons
FTE 61-79 - Re: F250 and F350 Crewcabs
Re: FTE 61-79 - Genetic Mutations, or what they name GM cars after.
Re: FTE 61-79 - Genetic Mutations, or what they name GM cars after.
Re: FTE 61-79 - master cylinder
Re: FTE 61-79 - master cylinder
Re: FTE 61-79 - master cylinder
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re:
Re: FTE 61-79 - master cylinder
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re:
Re: FTE 61-79 - Starting Problem FIXED !!!!!
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re:
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re:
Re: FTE 61-79 - AC systems and Freeze12
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: F250 and F350 Crewcabs
Re: FTE 61-79 - Genetic Mutations, or what they name GM cars after.
FTE 61-79 - Changing the gearing
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re:

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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 04:21:48 -0700
From: "Scott Jensen"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Stuck in 4wd

Rolling back a bit IS the way to do it. Just make sure you're on something
other than pavement...like dirt, gravel, or grass. On my 76 F100, rolling
back about 6 inches does the trick. Sometimes it takes a couple times to
find the sweet spot, especially if I haven't been in 4wd in a while.

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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 08:10:47 -0400
From: "Don Haring, Jr."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Battery Exploding!

Tim Bowman said:
> With all this talk of safety, I am reminded of my two serious
> encounters. One was when I allowed metal to arc the terminals on a
> battery and it exploded. Fortunately no damage to me; but the shirt
> rotted away.

I know that a battery can explode, but I guess like most people, I always
assumed that it couldn't happen to me. This is the first time I am hearing
from someone with direct experience on the matter. It sort of spooked me
because I've changed a lot of batteries (and have charged the motorcycle
batteries I own).

Can you tell us what the explosion was like? How long did it take for it to
explode when the terminals were bridged?

I'm glad to hear that you were OK, but at least you can now pass the info
on to us. I know that I have bridged terminals before to test for a dead
battery. I guess I won't be doing that anymore.

Thanks,
don


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Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 07:21:31 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - hood ornaments

J.C. Whitney has 4 Mustangs or horses, one sulkey with horse, and a sitting
donkey.

- -- John
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Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 07:24:28 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - automatic choke etal

>>My automatic choke does not work and I want to put it back to original working
order. I have a stock 351M with a rebuilt 2V carb (what ever the standard
issue was for this motor, 2150 rings a bell). The linkages on the passanger
side flop in the breeze, the choke heater tube is rusted and fell off and
the vacuum deal which activate the linkage by the choke heater tube(I think
it the choke pulldown). The tube which comes out of the manifold around to
the back of the carb and attached to the carb with a rubber hose. One day I
noticed air leaking from the whole which this tube goes into the manifold. I
sealed it with Black RTV Silicone and the next thing I know it melted the
rubber hose and the choke pulldown. I have a new pulldown but I do not know
what I need to do fix this. Can I buy a new choke heater tube specifically
made for this setup or do I have to get this universal part and make that
work? Once I do that how do I proceed from there to get this choke to work?
I dont think this is an electic choke.

Ronnie,
I replaced my choke tube with a piece of copper water line the correct size
that I had handy. Copper won't last as long as steel, but it is much easier
to work with. The tube is kind of S-shaped. I used high temp RTV to seal the
end that goes into the heater.

>>I also have an electic device on the drivers side of the carb which looks
like, if activated, would hit the throttle linkage to increase RPM's. Its
temorarily not hooked up. What is this for and can I check to see if its
good? How can I adjust it to function properly?

This device is an anti-deiseling solenoid. It should engage when your air
conditioner is running. When adjusted properly, the curb idle should be the
same whether the air is running or not. There is a wire on factory AC trucks
that plugs in. You could probably splice off of the compressor feed and get
satisfactory results.

>>One more thing to include. I installed the factory A/C into a this truck which
had no A/C. I don't think I will ever do that again but conversion to 134A
was a success. I have not modified the carb (except increase idle RPM) to
compensate for the A/C. What should I do to make this work better?

See above.

>>Thanks in advance for any help. I do have the Chilton repair manual but I
can't decipher what I need to do.

None of my Chilton's or Motors manuals cover anything this specific.

>>Ronnie Rowton
Braxton, MS
78 F250 4WD 351M NP435
76 F100 2WD Supercab 360 C6 (Parts)

- -- John
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Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 07:20:35 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - tire sizes

>>That's interesting my "tire guy" suggested I go up one size when going from
75s to 70s and you went down one size. Well, as long as it works and
drives well...

Dennis,

Your tire guy is right. If you go from a 75 profile to a 70 profile, you
need to go up one tire size to maintain the same circumference, speedo
calibration, etc. First, I never have seen a P245/70 (meaning they aren't
easy to find) and second I didn't want to special order. 70s also push what
the width of the wheel can handle. This, together with the look I wanted to
achieve, dictated that I go down one size instead of up. So far I love the
results.

- -- John
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Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 07:42:36 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - safety

>>I usually leave the floor
jack under the vehicle, and put the jack stands under there too.

The floor jack is fine for changing a tire, but for any serious work, put it
on stands or blocks. There are two reasons: 1.) My floor jack rolls and it
will roll away car and all. BTDT. 2.) I've tripped over that jack handle
more times than I can count. It leaves one big bruise on the front of yoour
ankle and I almost knocked it out from under the car. Once was was all it
took.

If you are using ramps, block the other set of wheels, both sides. Don't
trust the emergency brake and for sure not the parking pawl. My dad once
rolled a 55 Buick off ramps onto his chest. He was lucky because all of the
wheels were on the car and it only pinned him. I was able to jack the car up
and get him out. A few choice words and some bruises were the result. My
brother rolled a car off of the front of his ramps by jacking on the
opposite end of the car.

You can make a nice set of wheel chocks with 3 pieces of 2x4 and some sheet
rock screws. Cut to length desired. Connect one on top of the other 2
pyramid fashion. They are light weight, cheap, and indispensible.

- -- John
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Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 08:20:30 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - AC systems and Freeze12

I...I...can't control myself any longer. I did a lot of research on
Freeze12 and R134a before I had my system recharged with R12. Here are some
of the things I found out. 1.) R134a is less efficient than R12 meaning it
doesn't cool as well. But it is adequate for the job, especilally in a
regular cab pickup. 2.) R134a puts more heat out in front of the radiator.
this means that if your cooling system is marginal, when you switch to R134a
your truck will probably get hot in situations where it didn't before. The
solution here is to fix your cooling system. 3.) More than one shop told me
I would need a new compressor. I have the York with the sump. They said it
would be impossible to get all of the oil out which would result in
compressor failure, so they wouldn't do my system with out a new pump, new
receiver/dryer, new expansion orifice tube, new o-rings, and new hoses.
Usual estimate: $700-$750. I can buy a whole truck for that.

I couldn't find anyone who sold Freeze12 in this area, plus purchase does
require EPA certification. plus Freeze12 is a transition substance and will
be outlawed eventually.

Rumor has it that most Mexican "Freon" is propane.

It only cost $112 for Freon12 and labor to get my system charged. It usually
lasts about two years.

MHO: If you are building a new system or doing a mojor reuild, go with
R134a. If you are just low on charge, stick with R12.

>>Wanna hear a good one? A couple of Mexican car buyers told me that the
hot tip in AC in Mexico on a 134 car is to convert it to R12 . Why? It
cools alot better that way.

And it's cheaper for them and they don't have the EPA and a bunch of
worthless scientists forcing regulations on them that don't do any good and
are unfounded in fact.

I need some Prozac or Valium or vodka or something.......

- -- John
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Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 06:23:07 PDT
From: "MARTY COLMAN"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Edelbrock carb not acting right

My bother-in-law has a new edelbrock carb and intake on his '78 F150 302
(both were bought new for this aplication). We were trying to adjust the
mixture screws the other day and they were not acting right IMHO. It seemed
to run best with one out a couple turns and one in all the way! That
doesn't seem right to me.

Usually I start with them out 2-3 turns to get it running and then slowly
turn one in until it starts to run rough, then back it out until it smooths
out and add 1/2 - 3/4 turn out (repeat with other side). Does that sound
correct to you guys?

When I did that to his it wouldn't run rough until I had one in ALL the way
and did this to the second one. But if I try to turn them both in all the
way it would die (but it is supposed to do that).

It reminds me of the way a Holley acts with a bad powervalve, but this isn't
a Holley.

Any suggestions?

Marty Colman


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Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 09:41:57 -0400
From: James Oxley
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - AC systems and Freeze12

John LaGrone wrote:
>
> I...I...can't control myself any longer. I did a lot of research on
> Freeze12 and R134a before I had my system recharged with R12.

Have you looked into R406a? http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.autofrost.com/

Looked to be the best substitute I found



OX
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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 06:48:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: rich may
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 into a 76 F250

doesn't everybody??


- --- IanBoss69 aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 8/1/99 7:08:07 AM Eastern
> Daylight Time, doom460 yahoo.com
> writes:
>
> > I believe you can count the
> > mpg on one hand(it's probably like 4-7)
> who has 7 fingers???
>
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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 10:14:16 EDT
From: Bad4dFilly aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - hood ornaments

In a message dated 08/02/1999 12:24:36 PM !!!First Boot!!!,
jlagrone ford-trucks.com writes:


donkey. >>
I know, I think they are SO cool.........actually I got a set of long horns
that I am SO tempted to put as a hood ornament on my truck, but that's a lil
TOO white trash LOL......wasm't it Boss Hogg from The Dukes Of Hazzard who
had horns on his Caddy? LOL

*~*~Lisa~*~*
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Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 09:21:04 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Safety

>I am the Assistant Manager at AutoZone in Cape Girardeau, MO now(stop in

>I went over and said (I had to act like I was BS ing him, they're touchy
>about making customers feel stoopid) "man, we sell jack stands in here
>for $20, you need to come out from under there and get a set before you
>kill yourself"

>lot, when he has jackstands at home. Am I over-reacting here?
>

I know you love your job, so in my opinion you'd have been under-reacting
... with all the sue happy people, I'd have made him get out from under the
car and get jack stands from his house or wherever (I'd have offered to
drive him of course), but I'd have been not quite this nice, its amazing
what insurance requires these days, and I'd have reminded him of that many
times.


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 10:08:39 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - new 390 running, some problems

>I got my new 390 running today, and just got back from a test drive. It
>seems to drive fine on level ground, but I'm having problems going up
>hills, the truck seems to lose power and slow down going up them, if you
>try to start up the hill from a dead stop the truck will not move, if you
>try giving it gas it will die. It does the same thing in reverse.could
>this be a problem with the automatic transmission? Also when I shut it
>off it kicks over backwards for about a second, what causes this?
>any help will be appreciated.
>
Isn't it a great feeling getting that thing fired up ? First thing I would
do now is set the timing close to what you plan on running it ... 8-10
whatever you think is a good starting place ... then adjust the mixture and
such ... part of the reason its running on is because you have the idle set
up for breakin ... once that sets down it should run a bit better ... the
power thing I would guess is more of a timing issue ... though someone
suggested the float, that is also a possibility ...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 11:09:44 EDT
From: TWL1911 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - AC systems and Freeze12

Hey
boy did i open the can of worms here ha ha ha ha. i have a friend thats
gonna come over and check out my systme hes gonna do the work
for------free....... but i have to vut his grass for the rest ofthe summer.
what a deal. thanks all for the info
Travis
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Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 10:11:12 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 460 into a 76 F250

>I haven't driven the truck that long but I believe you can count the
>mpg on one hand(it's probably like 4-7).I know that it is running VERY
>rich now and I have to adjust it.It has 4.10's.Did your dad's 390 have
>325hp to try and feed? This one came out of a 1968 mustang.
>
You only have to feed 325hp when you are wrapping it up quite a ways, check
your carb and timing and such. 4.10's are going to need some revs to keep
up with traffic, so unless you really need the 4.10's, I'd look into a gear
swap ...

as for the 7 fingers on one hand, I often get lost and end up counting a
finger or two twice ... :)


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 10:13:52 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Edelbrock carb not acting right

>My bother-in-law has a new edelbrock carb and intake on his '78 F150 302
>(both were bought new for this aplication). We were trying to adjust the
>mixture screws the other day and they were not acting right IMHO. It seemed
>to run best with one out a couple turns and one in all the way! That
>doesn't seem right to me.
>
>Any suggestions?
>

personally, I'd invest in a vacuum gauge and use that to tune it, the ear
method works, but its kinda nice to get some hard numbers to play with,
this would show you exactly what was happening when you changed the mixture
screws ... also you might check to be sure the screw is really seating
itself properly, if its broken or misformed then it could be leaking and
causing it to act funny ...


Just my 2cents

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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 16:22:39 +0100
From: robertwerner postmaster.co.uk
Subject: [none]

Well, I just joined the list, so I figured I'd introduce myself. I'm a 16 year
old male living in west-central Michigan. I live near the lake, and there are
some of the best sand dunes in the country for off-roading just 10 miles from
me. I drive a 91 F-150 4x4, and although it *is* a Ford, it's well...a pile of
crap. This could be attributed to the fact that they guy we bought it from
never took care of it, but I really don't care for the engine (300 straight
six). My mom has an 89 Probe, and we've never had a single problem with it.
It's starting to go now, and rust is taking over, but what can you expect for 10
years of snow driving. I'm trying to save a little money to a late 70's or
early 80's Ford truck, and install a 460 in it that I think I can buy. Finally,
I prefer Fords, but I believe I could live with a Chevy if I had to.


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Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 09:45:36 -0600
From: Sean B Cardwell
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Run-On

Rusty Nail wrote:

> I've heard a couple different reasons for Run-On after you turn off the
> engine. I have a rebuilt engine and have broke it in (about 1000 miles on
> it). I am now occasionally getting some run-on.
> Would like suggestions or ideas on this cause and if I should increase
> octane or something else .
>
> Rusty KCMO
> '77 400 Explorer
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could be your idle speed is too high!

Sean Cardwell
'78 F250 4x2
460 ci
Holley 4bbl 600cfm



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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 11:32:20 -0500
From:
Subject: FTE 61-79 - AC systems and Freeze12

>1.) R134a is less efficient than R12 meaning it
>doesn't cool as well. But it is adequate for the job, especilally in a
>regular cab pickup. 2.) R134a puts more heat out in front of the >radiator.

These two statements appear to be contradictory. If 134a is putting out more heat
than 12, its cooling better, right?

Before buying my 134a system, I kept hear 134a was more efficient, I kept saying
I don't care if its more efficient, I want more cold. kinda like a compact car is more
gas efficient than my truck, but that is only one aspect of the situation.

now if you're retrofitting 134 to a 12 system, even though the thermodynamic
properties of 134 *may* be more efficient than 12, it will probably not perform as
well as 12 since the system was designed to maximize performance of 12.

I do agree with your bottom line statements though. when I added AC to my truck
I went with 134 as the cost was the same. However my wifes car is 12 and we
add 12 to it and probably will until we sell the car.
Bryan Kirking
66 Step Side
352 FE, 4 speed
Houston, Texas


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Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 10:57:43 PDT
From: "H. Lee Purvis"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: AC systems and Freeze12

I'm running my 88 Aerostar with a couple of cans of Freeze12 in with the
R12. Its been there for three months with no problems so far. The Aerostar
has dual AC and the choice was try this or convert. It cools very well and
like I said, no problems so far. I bought it over the counter at a parts
store.


Lee
71 Bronco
88 Aerostar
97 Escort


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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 15:01:57 EDT
From: WEDIVE247 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re:

In a message dated 99-08-02 11:27:22 EDT, you write:


year
old male living in west-central Michigan. I live near the lake, and there
are
some of the best sand dunes in the country for off-roading just 10 miles from
me. I drive a 91 F-150 4x4, and although it *is* a Ford, it's well...a pile
of
crap. This could be attributed to the fact that they guy we bought it from
never took care of it, but I really don't care for the engine (300 straight
six). My mom has an 89 Probe, and we've never had a single problem with it.
It's starting to go now, and rust is taking over, but what can you expect
for 10
years of snow driving. I'm trying to save a little money to a late 70's or
early 80's Ford truck, and install a 460 in it that I think I can buy.
Finally,
I prefer Fords, but I believe I could live with a Chevy if I had to.
>>
I'm thinking you need a different list to be on ! Also you did't fill in the
subject . Get with the program.........
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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 14:09:32 -0500
From: "Shane"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Vin Decoder

I have seen a link to a vin decoder on somebodys web site Can someone send
the link please?


Shane





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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 14:48:18 -0500
From: "Shane"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Vin Decoder

Found it http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.medicine.wisc.edu/~mrm/bronco/ftvin.cgi

Shane

> I have seen a link to a vin decoder on somebodys web site Can someone send
> the link please?
>
>
> Shane
>
>
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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 13:39:56 -0700
From: "Steve Schwartz"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Battery Exploding!

It has nothing to do with bridging the terminals, except that it produces a
spark near the battery vent. The mixture of hydrogen gas and aid is VERY
explosive, and MAY blow the battery to bits (along with the acid spalsh, not
a good thing).

Steve

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Don Haring, Jr.
> Sent: Monday, August 02, 1999 5:11 AM
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Battery Exploding!
>
>
> Tim Bowman said:
> > With all this talk of safety, I am reminded of my two serious
> > encounters. One was when I allowed metal to arc the terminals on a
> > battery and it exploded. Fortunately no damage to me; but the shirt
> > rotted away.
>
> I know that a battery can explode, but I guess like most people, I always
> assumed that it couldn't happen to me. This is the first time I am hearing
> from someone with direct experience on the matter. It sort of spooked me
> because I've changed a lot of batteries (and have charged the motorcycle
> batteries I own).
>
> Can you tell us what the explosion was like? How long did it take
> for it to
> explode when the terminals were bridged?
>
> I'm glad to hear that you were OK, but at least you can now pass the info
> on to us. I know that I have bridged terminals before to test for a dead
> battery. I guess I won't be doing that anymore.
>
> Thanks,
> don
>
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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 13:54:37 -0700
From: "Steve Schwartz"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Battery Exploding!

Should have been:

"The mixture of hydrogen gas and AIR"

Steve

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Steve Schwartz
> Sent: Monday, August 02, 1999 1:40 PM
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Battery Exploding!
>
>
> It has nothing to do with bridging the terminals, except that it
> produces a
> spark near the battery vent. The mixture of hydrogen gas and aid is VERY
> explosive, and MAY blow the battery to bits (along with the acid
> spalsh, not
> a good thing).
>
> Steve
>

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Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 16:50:31 -0400
From: Ted Wnorowski
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - hood ornaments

At 10:14 AM 8/2/99 -0400, you wrote:
>.wasm't it Boss Hogg from The Dukes Of Hazzard who
>had horns on his Caddy? LOL

Big Daddy in "Smokey and the Bandit" had them!

Ted Wnorowski
Bellevue,OH
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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 17:07:51 EDT
From: Bad4dFilly aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re:

In a message dated 08/02/1999 3:27:22 PM !!!First Boot!!!,
robertwerner postmaster.co.uk writes:


I prefer Fords, but I believe I could live with a Chevy if I had to. >>

OK sweety, ya sound like a cool guy and all, but just for the record, I DON'T
think that is something ya wanna say right off the bat to us faithful FTE
members. Some things ya may just wanna keep to yourself.....=)

*~*~Lisa and Envy~*~*
*~*~Silly boys...trucks are for GIRLS!~*~*
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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:13:54 -0500
From: wiregoat juno.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Strange problem resolved

The truck is now running. The problem was a really wrong vaccuum advance
unit. Right now there is one. If you have short pipes then keep a clean
pair of shorts in case of backfire as well. Various types of wildlife
moved into the water jacket through an open freeze plug, so now I am
removing nests out of my radiator due to it overheating. It was
mentioned that rusty valves may or may not show up on a compression test.
Right now it peggs my vacuum gauge. Would any kind of valve defect do
that? It runs like kitten but hisses like a snake when it overheats.



It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning
to others.

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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 15:15:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: rich may
Subject: FTE 61-79 - odometer

Did 73-79 f-250's(76) come with short-trip odometers or is that a
fairly recent thing? If not, does anyone know if they are made for
these trucks

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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 15:16:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: rich may
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 2-barrel

Does anyone know of a good 2 barrel carb for a 390?

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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 20:21:10 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re:

In a message dated 8/2/99 2:13:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
Bad4dFilly aol.com writes:


DON'T
think that is something ya wanna say right off the bat to us faithful FTE
members. Some things ya may just wanna keep to yourself.....=) >>

Careful Lisa, I recall you gettin your hopes up real high over a half ton
Chevy before envy came along :)

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 20:36:32 EDT
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Starting Problem FIXED !!!!!

In a message dated 8/2/1999 12:53:49 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
JUMPINFORD aol.com writes:



100-150 bucks and ill be set >>

I got 2 16.5x10s for the front of my truck for like 40 apiece. They are
plain white spoke, but they look real good, especially with the matching 12
wides in back. Real strong too.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety" >>

I bought 4 15x10 eight bolt chrome spoked wheels for $48 each. Some tire
stores offer good deals on wheels so they can sell more tires, this was Les
Schwabb in the Pacific Northwest. Luckily I bought the tires from COSTCO,
they discovered 2 of the 4 wheels were out of round while mounting the tires.
Schwabb happily gave me good ones (made in Mexico). Probably sold the bad
wheels the next day. The reason I say luckily is I believe had Schwabb
installed the tires I would never have known they were out of round, until I
noted the poor performance and then because I had driven on them they would
have gone to the ends of the Earth proclaiming I bent them. If you need 16
inch wheels for brake clearance go with it, but if the 15 inch will work you
will be money ahead on the wheels and tires. Have fun. If I seem to be
sending mixed messages, it's because I'm saying look around you will find
them cheap, but be cautious.
Burt Hill Kennewick, Wa 1972 F-250 4x4 460
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Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 20:29:17 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Genetic Mutations, or what they name GM cars after.

>
> I haven't driven the truck that long but I believe you can count the
> mpg on one hand(it's probably like 4-7).I know that it is running VERY
> rich now and I have to adjust it.It has 4.10's.Did your dad's 390 have
> 325hp to try and feed? This one came out of a 1968 mustang.

You don't live near a nuclear power plant do you? 4-7 fingers on a hand
are a cause for concern, though I once saw a woman with three...:-)
Toes, what did you think I was going to say? Her name was Baaaaabs. Or
was it Dolly?
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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 20:21:58 -0500
From: "Larry Brown"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re:

I think she is just trying to let the poor boy down easy, I mean he still
thinks ch**ys are real trucks

- ----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Monday, August 02, 1999 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re:


> In a message dated 8/2/99 2:13:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> Bad4dFilly aol.com writes:
>
>
> DON'T
> think that is something ya wanna say right off the bat to us faithful
FTE
> members. Some things ya may just wanna keep to yourself.....=) >>
>
> Careful Lisa, I recall you gettin your hopes up real high over a half ton
> Chevy before envy came along :)
>
> Darrell Duggan
> 74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 21:38:37 EDT
From: TWL1911 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - brakes

Hey all
on my 66 truck ther is a brake controler for trailers on it and it runs off
the master cylinder and for some reson it doesnt move any more should i just
bleed it out. and for some reson my drivers front tire locks up first then
the front passengers then if you reall step on it the back ones. is this the
nature or what ever thanks for the info
Travis
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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 18:14:50 -0700
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 2-barrel

It is hard to go wrong with a stock Motorcraft 2bbl. They are easy to tune
and work pretty well off road.

Rade
- -----Original Message-----
From: rich may
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, August 02, 1999 3:15 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 2-barrel


>Does anyone know of a good 2 barrel carb for a 390?
>
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Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 19:06:52 -0500
From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 2-barrel

rich may wrote:
>
> Does anyone know of a good 2 barrel carb for a 390?
>
The Autolite 2100's have been around forever. The one on my 390 has
only been rebuilt twice in 29 years. Plus they're cheap and easy to find
parts for.

Jason
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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 20:52:19 -0700
From: "Charles T."
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - odometer

>Did 73-79 f-250's(76) come with short-trip odometers or is that a
>fairly recent thing? If not, does anyone know if they are made for
>these trucks
>
Having seen hundreds of odometers in junk yards, I have not seen any(at
least for 78-79) of the short-trip versions. Also do not know who makes
them.

CharlesT
79 F150 4x4(460 swap)

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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 20:50:52 -0500
From: "Brett Yerks"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - master cylinder

Well, I replaced the master cylinder on my 76 F250 tonight but now the pedal
sinks to the floor everytime. I bench blead the master cylinder just like
the instructions said, put the little plugs they supplied in the output
ports, then keep pushing the plunger in about 1", until it is firm and only
goes about 1/8". Then I installed it and blead the brakes, now the pedal
sinks right to the floor. Did I miss anything? There aren't any leaks, I'm
not losing any fluid. Anyone have any ideas?

Thanks,
Brett
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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 18:49:50 -0700
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - odometer

Definately not up to '76. Probably not till after '79 sometime. The only
way I can think of would be to install an aftermarket unit from someone like
Autometer or VDO. Problem being it wouldn't go in the stock guage housing
so it would have to be mounted either in a custom dash or on top of the
dash.

Tom H

> ----------
> From: rich may[SMTP:doom460 yahoo.com]
> Reply To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Sent: Monday, August 02, 1999 6:15 PM
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - odometer
>
> Did 73-79 f-250's(76) come with short-trip odometers or is that a
> fairly recent thing? If not, does anyone know if they are made for
> these trucks
>
> _____________________________________________________________
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> >
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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 21:53:47 EDT
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - master cylinder

In a message dated 8/2/99 9:51:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
byerks superford.org writes:

> Did I miss anything?
One word.....Air somewhere (o.k. that's two words).

Stock Man
1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible (HELP!---I need 15 x5 factory rims)
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 21:29:43 -0500
From: "Brett L. Habben"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 390 Pistons

William,
What brands of pistons can you get through AZ?
Just curious, because I'm shopping for 300 pistons once I get the same
answers you're looking for.
Also, does anybody have any comments on the Silv-o-lites?
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.kb-silvolite.com/silvtoc.htm
Brett
Super75Cab
- ------------------------------
>I have been looking at a lot of piston catalogs lately, trying to decide
>on a piston for the 390 I'm getting ready to put together. I'm leaning
>toward Badger cast pistons.
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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 21:58:31 -0500
From: "Brett L. Habben"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: F250 and F350 Crewcabs

Shawn,
That is a very cool combination. Even vanilla '67's are very desirable
for a number of reasons. Besides being the first of the 67-72 (or 79)
series, they have the least federal and state mandated safety and
pollution equipment. For example, here in Texas the visual part of the
vehicle inspection requires you to have all emissions equipment in place
for '68 and newer vehicles. That makes '67's much more 'hassle-free' at
inspection time and life is much more enjoyable. Hang on to those '67's!

Brett
Super75cab

>I know of a 67 F-250, 4 door crew cab, with a 390, 4 spd.
>It in Winston-Salem, NC
>I know it doesn't match what you are looking for personally - but anyone

>else? If so e-mail, and I'll give more info.
>Seemed pretty rare to me!
>- -Shawn

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Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 20:06:56 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Genetic Mutations, or what they name GM cars after.

Thanks for your message at 08:29 PM 8/2/99 -0500, William L. Ballinger.
Your message was:
>>
>
>You don't live near a nuclear power plant do you? 4-7 fingers on a hand
>are a cause for concern, though I once saw a woman...

Watch that nuclear humor...Actually 7 fingers could come in really handy...
when working on my Ford Truck. Just think of the possibilities...


Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 23:16:45 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Genetic Mutations, or what they name GM cars after.

In a message dated 8/2/99 8:08:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time, dpearson ctc.edu
writes:


when working on my Ford Truck. Just think of the possibilities... >>

but it could also have its drawbacks. Think of all the times your pinky kept
you from reachin that screw deep in the middle of a wiring harness under the
dash. 2 more fingers would be down right hell.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 22:26:10 -0500
From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - master cylinder

>
> In a message dated 8/2/99 9:51:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> byerks superford.org writes:
>
> > Did I miss anything?

Bleed some more, and then bleed even more! It takes forever to get all
the air out of the system.

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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 23:52:43 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - master cylinder

In a message dated 8/2/99 8:36:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time, kendrick mddc.com
writes:


the air out of the system. >>

If its within your grasp, go buy a Mityvac. I used one on my truck, and the
difference was night and day. I Wasnt having problems per se, I just wanted
to flush my system as it looked like it had the original fluid in it. Took
me a whopping 20 min to do, and my pedal feel is great, if it wasnt for one
slightly eggshaped drum on the driverside rear, I have no doubt that this old
beast would stop as straight as an arrow. As wierd as it sounds, Im hoping
to have to do rear brakes soon, as it will give me a reason to have that drum
turned. Twice now that one wheel lockin up on hard breaking has caused me to
go into a wild sideways slide. Thank goodness for quick reflexes, and empty
roads (aside from the idiot that made me go into the slide in the first
place). But anyhow, if you have the means, go get the Mityvac. OIts the
best investment you'll ever make.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 00:04:33 EDT
From: TWL1911 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - master cylinder

Hey all
how much do those multivac deals run and do parts shops rent them out to?
Travis
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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 00:09:22 EDT
From: IanBoss69 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re:

>I believe I could live with a Chevy if I had to.
>

> Careful Lisa, I recall you gettin your hopes up real high over a half ton
> Chevy before envy came along :)
>

wise words from a guy that likes to play make-believe in his dead mothers
clothes,,"We all go a little crazy sometimes."

Ian
79 F250 4x4 4spd 351M
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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 22:09:58 -0700
From: "Danger"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - master cylinder

> >
> > > Did I miss anything?
........

> Bleed some more, and then bleed even more! It takes forever to get all
> the air out of the system.
>
> Jason
.........

"but my leg is getting tired" hehe...

I'm very happy with the results obtained from using a power brake
bleeder system to bleed the brakes on my 69 F250's. It's kinda like a small
canister with a hand pump attached and nice long hose with fitting for the
attachments which fasten to the master cylinder. I always use a clear hose
at the wheel end so that I may see the results of my work, and it's always a
pleasure to watch the bubbles and dirty fluid comming out of the bleeder
valve.

Danger



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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 00:13:51 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re:

In a message dated 8/2/99 9:12:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time, IanBoss69 aol.com
writes:


clothes,,"We all go a little crazy sometimes." >>

Hmmmm Psycho right?
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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 00:15:58 EDT
From: IanBoss69 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Starting Problem FIXED !!!!!

Well the I'd like to be able to fit 15" on there but without grinding the
brakes theres no way, i was told by one of the tire stores here, 16" are a
pretty tight squeeze still, so i guess ill have to go with them, i have 7
16.5x8" rims right now, someone told me that thats too narrow to fit
33"x12.5 tires, probably true, the backspacing would probably allow the front
to hit the framerails when turned, dont want that, so thinking of going for
the chrome wheels that are similiar to the whitespoke wheels, there like 68
per wheel for 16x10 for 8-lug soooo i guess i can save the extra money ,,,,

Ian
79 F250 4x4 4spd 351M
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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 00:20:20 EDT
From: TWL1911 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re:

hey
well i used to KEYWORD USED to drive a chevy and talk about gutless as soon
as i had my ford we never drive it anymore it collects dust now and rust to.
the only advantage to chevys because they suck so bad is parts are cheap but
what can i say its a bowtie truck. this is ford dountry
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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 00:21:39 EDT
From: IanBoss69 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re:

In a message dated 8/3/99 12:17:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
JUMPINFORD aol.com writes:

>
mothers
> clothes,,"We all go a little crazy sometimes." >>
>
> Hmmmm Psycho right?
correct
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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 00:24:54 EDT
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - AC systems and Freeze12

In a message dated 8/2/1999 9:24:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
bkirking bcm.tmc.edu writes:


These two statements appear to be contradictory. If 134a is putting out
more heat
than 12, its cooling better, right?
>>
You would normally think that but. The added heat expelled in the condenser
comes from the inefficiency of 134a and is nothing but the extra work the
compressor does on 134a vs R12.
Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460
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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 21:49:54 -0700
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: F250 and F350 Crewcabs

I dunno, the 390 in my '76 has absolutely no emissions control at all (aside
from a PCV system). NO cat, no smog pump, no EGR, no vapor recovery, and
AFAIK it is all stock. I think the GWVR has alot to do with what emissions
stuff went on which vehicles during the '70s.

Rade
- -----Original Message-----
From: Brett L. Habben
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, August 02, 1999 8:06 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: F250 and F350 Crewcabs


>Shawn,
>That is a very cool combination. Even vanilla '67's are very desirable
>for a number of reasons. Besides being the first of the 67-72 (or 79)
>series, they have the least federal and state mandated safety and
>pollution equipment. For example, here in Texas the visual part of the
>vehicle inspection requires you to have all emissions equipment in place
>for '68 and newer vehicles. That makes '67's much more 'hassle-free' at
>inspection time and life is much more enjoyable. Hang on to those '67's!
>
>Brett
>Super75cab
>
>>I know of a 67 F-250, 4 door crew cab, with a 390, 4 spd.
>>It in Winston-Salem, NC
>>I know it doesn't match what you are looking for personally - but anyone
>
>>else? If so e-mail, and I'll give more info.
>>Seemed pretty rare to me!
>>- -Shawn
>
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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 21:51:17 -0700
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Genetic Mutations, or what they name GM cars after.

I don't know about 7 fingers, but having a few extra joints in my arms and
fingers would be useful for some of those difficult to reach places... >:^)....


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