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61-79-list-digest Monday, August 2 1999 Volume 03 : Number 269



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Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961-1979 Trucks and Vans
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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - 73-79 crew cabs
FTE 61-79 - I FINALLY GOT A CB!
RE: FTE 61-79 - 460 into a 76 F250
Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 into a 76 F250
FTE 61-79 - 460 into a 76 F250
FTE 61-79 - 390 Pistons
FTE 61-79 - safety while working on vehicles
FTE 61-79 - 4wd rotors and hubs
RE: FTE 61-79 - 460 into a 76 F250
RE: FTE 61-79 - 460 into a 76 F250
Re: FTE 61-79 - 390 Pistons
FTE 61-79 - Montana Mark?
Re: FTE 61-79 - 4wd rotors and hubs
FTE 61-79 - RE: SAFETY
RE: FTE 61-79 - 460 into a 76 F250
FTE 61-79 - Looking
Re: FTE 61-79 - I FINALLY GOT A CB!
Re: FTE 61-79 - I FINALLY GOT A CB!
Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 into a 76 F250
Re: FTE 61-79 - Holley Pro-jection 4
FTE 61-79 - 460 in a 70's or early to mid 80's F-150?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Holley Pro-jection 4
FTE 61-79 - Safety
Re: FTE 61-79 - Safety
FTE 61-79 - F250 and f-350s crewcabs
FTE 61-79 - Hey Again - Introduction, and some Q's...
FTE 61-79 - Re: AC systems and Freeze12
FTE 61-79 - stuck in 4wd
RE: FTE 61-79 - Holley Pro-jection 4
Re: FTE 61-79 - Hey Again - Introduction, and some Q's...
FTE 61-79 - Carb selection info
RE: FTE 61-79 - F250 and f-350s crewcabs
Re: FTE 61-79 - stuck in 4wd
RE: FTE 61-79 - Carb selection info
FTE 61-79 - 429 Water pump
Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 into a 76 F250
Re: FTE 61-79 - Safety
Re: FTE 61-79 - 429 Water pump
FTE 61-79 - Starting Problem FIXED !!!!!
FTE 61-79 - adding power steering to '72 F-100
FTE 61-79 - driveshaft
Re: FTE 61-79 - 4wd rotors and hubs
FTE 61-79 - safety while working on vehicles
FTE 61-79 - Interruption.
Re: FTE 61-79 - Starting Problem FIXED !!!!!

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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 03:21:40 -0700
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 73-79 crew cabs

I am (very) fortunate to own a '76 F-250 short bed Crew Cab, which my father
purchased from the original owner in '82. It is an awesomely practical
truck (aside from the gas mileage), and I wouldn't ever dream of selling it.
What sort of info are you trying to find? I know one thing, they are rather
rare.

Rade
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From: Tammy & Robert Dolan
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Saturday, July 31, 1999 8:03 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 73-79 crew cabs


>My interests are in 73 -79 F250 and f-350s crewcabs. Does anyone know
>of a good site that I could find out more info about these trucks? Does
>anyone have one they would like to sell? If so please reply private by
>e-mail.
>Thanks Robert Bismarck.
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Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 05:44:45 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - I FINALLY GOT A CB!

> Hey y'all! Well I finally got a CB in my truck, the best kind: FREE from my
> uncle. LOL If anyone is in the Southern California area keep your ears peeled
> for "Ford Filly" and forgive me if I make and newbie mistakes
> "Bubblegummer" a new CB'er?> Well hope to hear from y'all soon! Bye! =)
>
> *~*~Lisa and Emvy~*~*
> *~*~Silly boys...trucks are for GIRLS!~*~*


I have a strong feeling that about anything you say will be forgiven.
CBer's are a pretty easy going bunch, just don't call anyone a "good
buddy." Also, if two people are having a pretty good conversation,
bon't "break" them until things die down a little. Just mind your
manners and you'll do fine. One more thing if someone asks you for your
"20," be vague. You never know what kind of creeps we have around these
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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 04:03:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: rich may
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 460 into a 76 F250

I haven't driven the truck that long but I believe you can count the
mpg on one hand(it's probably like 4-7).I know that it is running VERY
rich now and I have to adjust it.It has 4.10's.Did your dad's 390 have
325hp to try and feed? This one came out of a 1968 mustang.

- --- "Hogan, Tom" wrote:
> Give us a little more info. What kind of mileage do
> you get? What rear
> end ratio do you have. My dad's 390 got about 8 mpg
> regardless of what we
> did. I can get double digits with mine on the
> highway but I have an F-150
> with a 3.00:1 rear gear. You may be able to do
> better with a re-gear.
>
> Tom H
> > ----------
> > From: rich may[SMTP:doom460 yahoo.com]
> > Reply To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> > Sent: Saturday, July 31, 1999 9:03 PM
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> > Subject: FTE 61-79 - 460 into a 76 F250
> >
> > I currently have a 1968 390GT in my truck and it
> is too much. I thought
> > that I would never say it. It puts out 325hp stock
> and it gulps the
> > gas. I was wondering if I could put a late model
> 460 in it's place. It
> > has a C-6 in it now. If you need any other info,
> please e-mail me. I am
> > desperate.
> >
> >
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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 04:06:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: rich may
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 into a 76 F250

I am getting alot less than 8. My dad has a 460 in his truck and it has
gotten 11mpg all it's life. It has 163,000 on it now w/o a rebuild and
it's getting like 13 now(no rings?)It would get 11 city and 11 highway.

- --- JUMPINFORD aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 7/31/99 6:05:47 PM Pacific
> Daylight Time,
> doom460 yahoo.com writes:
>
>
> is too much. I thought
> that I would never say it. It puts out 325hp stock
> and it gulps the
> gas. I was wondering if I could put a late model
> 460 in it's place. It
> has a C-6 in it now. If you need any other info,
> please e-mail me. I am
> desperate. >>
>
> Umm, unless your getting less than 8 city, dont even
> bother. I have a 460,
> and it is one of the smog era 460's and although I
> am now getting a mid 11 on
> the hwy, I only get 7-8 city, depending on my mood.
> And that is wth my
> Jacobs unit installed. Before that I only got 8.5
> hwy, and 6-7 city .
>
> Darrell Duggan
> 74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 04:25:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: rich may
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 460 into a 76 F250

I found a 1990 460 with only 6 miles on it. Could this be put into my
truck and work with the current transmission?

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Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 06:33:23 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 390 Pistons

I have been looking at a lot of piston catalogs lately, trying to decide
on a piston for the 390 I'm getting ready to put together. I'm leaning
toward Badger cast pistons. They have three different crown designs, a
flat-top with reliefs for the '66-'71's, 10-10.5 to 1 CR, a deep dished
with reliefs, '66-'76 8.5-9.0 to 1 CR, and slightly dished w/ refiefs
'61-'65 9.5-10.0 to 1 CR. I wish that they would be more specific
about the relationships of the chambers to their pistons through the
years. It would make the choice a little easier.

BTW I have a Lotus spreadsheet that I have built to calculate CR. If
anyone has 1-2-3 R5 I'll give you a copy, just let me know.

Anyway, I plan to run a solid-lifter cam, likely a Crane Fireball 294,
or a 427-425HP cam. By my figurin a CR of 10.0 to 1 would be about all
I can get away with with the 294, and 10.7 with the 427 cam. The
'61-'65 design would match the vintage of my heads and would be about
9.7 to 1. The flat-top would come out to 10.25 with my heads. Good so
far, the '61-'65's if I use the 294, or the flat-tops if I go with the
427 cam.

These combinations look perfect on paper, but does anyone know or had
expeience that would say that these pistons will hold up under the
pounding they'll take? I'm seeing a 1/2 point of CR cushion, from the
edge of destruction. It isn't much, but if they can stand it, I'd
rather give 18 bucks (16 w/ my AZ discount) a piece for them than 40
bucks each for a set of forged. That plus the noise and blow-by you
always get from forged pistons are not what I want from this engine.
I'd rather spend the money that I'd spend on forged pistons for a set of
427 rocker arms. Or hey, does anyone have a 390-406 6V intake laying
around they'd want to sell? I got this idea of using a Rochester
Dual-jet in the middle and a holley on each end, with mechanical
linkage. Would that kill or what?

Any imput here? I've always thought you needed forged pistons for any
kind of performance application, but I think in this case, 6000 rpm max,
and 400 HP, a cast piston could take it. Opinions, anecdotes?
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Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 06:36:45 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - safety while working on vehicles

> AND.......I will start keeping a clean pair of panties in the shop from now
> on Don, good advice! 8^) hehehehe

I aint goin there, nope. But sir, you damn sure tempt me...:-)
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Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 07:36:25 -0400
From: Joe & Jen DeLaurentis
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 4wd rotors and hubs

Group,
how hard is it to press of a rotor from the hub and press on the new
one???I do have a shop press so thats no problem.Hub and rotors here in
PA are near $70
rotor alone is 29....Any help?
Joe

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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 06:14:23 -0700
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 460 into a 76 F250

No, It was a stocker from 76. Bought it as the second owner in 78 and drove
it and a 30 foot camping trailer from Anchorage to Little Rock via Niagra
Falls, Kit Carson CO, and Abileen Tx (trip took 3 months). After that it
was a farm truck for 10 years. I never saw a load that truck could not
handle. I can remember several times picking up feed and dad telling the
workers to load it till the fenderwells hit. They always ran out of safe
verticle height before that happened! (much more than one ton).

If your looking for better mileage I would first sort out the mixture. Then
I would address the rear end gear. Mileage and performance are sometimes
mutually exclusive goals but with a little compromise you should be able to
get closer to what you want. With your combination I wouldn't expect much
better than 8. The rear gear sounds like what we must have had. If you are
running a Holley carb you may want to check out a Percy adjustable jet
plate. It allows you to adjust the mixture without removing the fuel bowls
to change the jets. Contrary to what most people think the tiny screws on
the side of the Holleys jet plates only adjust the Idle mixture and have
little to no effect on the cruise mixture.

What is your goal? I would be exstatic to see 15 mpg out of mine (its a
goal I have). With a rear gear change you should be able to get to 11-high
12mpg. About what some people get with a 460. Tuning the combo you have
will be much cheaper than swapping in a whole new engine combo and then
having to tune it.

Good luck
Tom H

> ----------
> From: rich may[SMTP:doom460 yahoo.com]
> Reply To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 01, 1999 7:03 AM
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 460 into a 76 F250
>
> I haven't driven the truck that long but I believe you can count the
> mpg on one hand(it's probably like 4-7).I know that it is running VERY
> rich now and I have to adjust it.It has 4.10's.Did your dad's 390 have
> 325hp to try and feed? This one came out of a 1968 mustang.
>

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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 06:16:54 -0700
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 460 into a 76 F250

No. The 460 and 390 are of different engine families and consequently have
different bellhousing bolt patterns. You would need to swap the engine
along with a matching trans.

Tom H.

> ----------
> From: rich may[SMTP:doom460 yahoo.com]
> Reply To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
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> Subject: FTE 61-79 - 460 into a 76 F250
>
> I found a 1990 460 with only 6 miles on it. Could this be put into my
> truck and work with the current transmission?
>
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Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 08:35:53 -0500
From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 390 Pistons

>
> Any imput here? I've always thought you needed forged pistons for any
> kind of performance application, but I think in this case, 6000 rpm max,
> and 400 HP, a cast piston could take it. Opinions, anecdotes?
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Have you thought about hypereutectic pistons? They're a few dollars
more than cast pistons, but they're stronger too.

Jason
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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 09:53:05 EDT
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Montana Mark?

Hey M. Mark,

Are you up and running on the list again yet????

If so, send me message....

CJ
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Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 08:03:00 -0700
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 4wd rotors and hubs

Joe & Jen DeLaurentis wrote:

> Group,
> how hard is it to press of a rotor from the hub and press on the new
> one???I do have a shop press so thats no problem.Hub and rotors here in
> PA are near $70
> rotor alone is 29....Any help?
> Joe

If you have a press it should be a piece of cake. The wheel studs hold it
in place You have to press out the 5 or 8 lugs change rotors and press the
5 or 8 back in.
- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net
99 Contour
63 F-100 4x4


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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 12:09:46 -0400
From: "George W. Selby, III"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: SAFETY

Let's all practice it, I want all of you around for information when I need
it.

Three quick stories. I cut my hand yesterday, put in a gash an inch long
and DEEP when a wrench slipped on an Oldsmobile.

Recently here in Eastern NC a man was killed when his Suburban fell on him
while changing a tire.

Lastly, a friend of my business partner was working on a motorhome with
only a jack, it fell off, and squished all his stomach area organs into his
lung area. He did live, but he won't be doing anything for a year.

Also, don't ever even stick your hand or any other part of your body under
a vehicle that is supported by only the stock jack. Most stories you hear
are of vehicles falling off the stock jacks. I usually leave the floor
jack under the vehicle, and put the jack stands under there too. When you
think you have the vehicle steady enough to work under, grap a hold of the
vehicle and shake it to make sure it is steady.


George Selby
78 F-150 400M, 4 on floor, 4x4
86 Audi 4000CS Quattro
IsuzuG prodigy.net

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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:02:59 -0700
From: "Steve Schwartz"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 460 into a 76 F250

No, but it COULD be put in the back of MY truck, and I'll figure out what
trans to use...
:=)

Steve

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of rich may
> Sent: Sunday, August 01, 1999 4:25 AM
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - 460 into a 76 F250
>
>
> I found a 1990 460 with only 6 miles on it. Could this be put into my
> truck and work with the current transmission?
>
> _____________________________________________________________
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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:15:59 -0700
From: "Chris Samuel"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Looking

SWMBO has approved the accusation of a work truck. YEA!!!
She has set a $2k limit in the price because she says that I need to
purchase a new TIG Welder, Tube Bender, and several other toolz.
Oh-darn;-)
So, I am looking for a "STOCK" (minor mods. ok) 78-79 F150 4x4 with a 300
6Cyl/4Spd., DEQ'able, pickenemup. I'll fudge on the years down to 75, but no
newer then 79.
I would prefer a stone cherry truck but at the price limit...
Mostly I want straight and clean. Reasonably sound, and arguably decent
running truck.
I have found several locally that fit both the price and description, but
before I spend money with strangers, anyone of my friends here in the
Portland, Or. area have my next truck?
Let me know off line, soon!

Muel

Why a 6Cyl?
Cauz the truck that I describe above is exactly like a 77 that I was around
way back when it was new. We had more fun in that truck! I like the sound of
a strong 6, and I have a beast of a built 79 Bronco nearing completion
(finally)!


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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 13:38:00 EDT
From: Bad4dFilly aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - I FINALLY GOT A CB!

In a message dated 08/01/1999 10:46:30 AM !!!First Boot!!!, ballingr ldd.net
writes:


"20," be vague. You never know what kind of creeps we have around these
days >>

Oh don't I know! Mom was like "If I ever see any big rigs in front of our
house lookin to pick up my lil "Ford Filly" your dead!" LOL Thanks for the
warning thgough! =)

*~*~Lisa~*~*
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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 12:46:24 -0500
From: "Larry Brown"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - I FINALLY GOT A CB!

Since you are smart enough and have the good sense to have a Ford rather
than one of the wantabes, I know you will exercise good sense with the
radio. Have fun with it and break some hearts.

Freewheelin' in LA
Larry


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From:
To:
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 1999 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - I FINALLY GOT A CB!


> In a message dated 08/01/1999 10:46:30 AM !!!First Boot!!!,
ballingr ldd.net
> writes:
>
>
> "20," be vague. You never know what kind of creeps we have around these
> days >>
>
> Oh don't I know! Mom was like "If I ever see any big rigs in front of our
> house lookin to pick up my lil "Ford Filly" your dead!" LOL Thanks for the
> warning thgough! =)
>
> *~*~Lisa~*~*
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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 14:00:35 EDT
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 into a 76 F250

In a message dated 8/1/1999 4:27:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
doom460 yahoo.com writes:


truck and work with the current transmission?
>>
First the only transmissions that it will bolt up with are those that had
been connected to a 351C, 351M, 429, 400, or 460. Secondly you will need the
computer, sensors, and appropriate wiring from the 1990. Or put a carb on
it. Additionally the 1990 may depend on sensors that are in it's
transmission, which may not be possible to back fit into your current tranny.
However some one on the list may have more in-depth knowledge.
Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460
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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 14:46:44 EDT
From: Lion5859 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Holley Pro-jection 4

Hey Steve,

Do you have a link to a webpage relating to the Holly
Pro-jection?......I'd like to look into this for my 76 E250 Club Wagon. It
would be greatly appreciated. I'm trying to find ways to improve gas mileage
and performance, or if you have an address and phone for the outfit that
sells the Pro-jection, you can send that also. Thank in advance.

Maurice
76 E250 460 4barrel
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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 19:46:57 +0100
From: robertwerner postmaster.co.uk
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 460 in a 70's or early to mid 80's F-150?

My neighbor has a 77 LTD that she can't drive (more dui's than I can count) with
a 460 in it. I'd like to buy the engine and try to fit it in a late 70's or
early 80's F-150. Is it very hard to get a 460 in one of these trucks? Would
it be much easier just to go with a F-250? Any words of advice from anyone who
has done it?


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Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 15:12:10 -0400
From: Ted Wnorowski
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Holley Pro-jection 4

Here's the link for Holley:http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.holley.com/ They have one
of the better web sites out there. They have an interactive application
selector. When I e-mailed their tech dept. they answered within a day. I
bought the carb that they recommended,
put it on. With very little adjustment, I doubled my MPG, and I couldn't be
happier.
As far as MPG goes, I suppose I would have gone from 4 1/2 - 5 to
9 with just about any new carb. But Holley seemed to be the most helpful.

Hope this helps,
Ted Wnorowski
Bellevue,OH
' 64 F-250
352 transplant
4- speed

At 02:46 PM 8/1/99 -0400, you wrote:
> Hey Steve,
>
> Do you have a link to a webpage relating to the Holly
>Pro-jection?......I'd like to look into this for my 76 E250 Club Wagon. It
>would be greatly appreciated. I'm trying to find ways to improve gas mileage
>and performance, or if you have an address and phone for the outfit that
>sells the Pro-jection, you can send that also. Thank in advance.
>
>Maurice
>76 E250 460 4barrel
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Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 14:49:43 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Safety

> Also, don't ever even stick your hand or any other part of your body under
> a vehicle that is supported by only the stock jack. Most stories you hear
> are of vehicles falling off the stock jacks. I usually leave the floor
> jack under the vehicle, and put the jack stands under there too. When you
> think you have the vehicle steady enough to work under, grap a hold of the
> vehicle and shake it to make sure it is steady.

I am the Assistant Manager at AutoZone in Cape Girardeau, MO now(stop in
and see me if you're ever in town) , and I saw something the other day
that just blew me away. A guy had his car on a bumper jack in the
parking lot with him underneath it pulling off a starter. I was coming
back from lunch, and there he was bigger than sh*t, humping and sweating
under that car to get that starter off.

I went over and said (I had to act like I was BS ing him, they're touchy
about making customers feel stoopid) "man, we sell jack stands in here
for $20, you need to come out from under there and get a set before you
kill yourself" He said "naw, I got a set at home." Hmmm. I said
"well, where do you live?" He said "here in Cape" My God!!!

All it would have taken to snuff out his life was a 25 MPH gust of wind,
or somebody throwing a door into the side of his car. I just can't
believe it, he drove it to the store to swap the starter in the parking
lot, when he has jackstands at home. Am I over-reacting here?

I just walked back in the store...
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Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 16:05:00 -0400
From: Ted Wnorowski
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Safety

At 02:49 PM 8/1/99 -0500, you wrote:
> Am I over-reacting here?
>

Not at all ! I run a pressroom making parts for furnaces and air
conditioners. The first thing I tell any new hires is "SH % happens" And
when it does it's in the blink of an eye!!!!!
One wrong move and we would probably call them stumpy. Or worse
yet, scrape them out of a die.
There is no such thing as overreacting when it comes to safety.
Especially working on a 3000# vehicle.

Ted Wnorowski



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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 16:20:57 EDT
From: CCSSportz aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - F250 and f-350s crewcabs

- --My interests are in 73 -79 F250 and f-350s crewcabs. Does anyone know--
- --of a good site that I could find out more info about these trucks? Does--
- --anyone have one they would like to sell? --
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`

I know of a 67 F-250, 4 door crew cab, with a 390, 4 spd.
It in Winston-Salem, NC
I know it doesn't match what you are looking for personally - but anyone
else? If so e-mail, and I'll give more info.
Seemed pretty rare to me!

- -Shawn
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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 16:23:00 EDT
From: CCSSportz aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Hey Again - Introduction, and some Q's...

Well, most of you probably don't know me at all, so this is a re-introduction
- - mixed in with questions and a few other things that may eminate from my
brain. Although, totally useless, if anything this will keep you busy for a
few extra minutes, maybe just long enough that you miss the call that says
you won a million bucks, and a FORD. Beware if you read this, you could
potentially be loosing a Ford........ :oP

Well, I'm 17, the name's Shawn, and I have two 1979 Fords.
1. - '79 F-150 Custom, 4x4, 4spd, 351M, named 'ZILLA due to it's massive size
now - which will ultimately get bigger. Now - 6" susp lift, 3" body lift, 36"
tires - when I'm done, I may take out the body lift, undecided, but It will
have 40's or better. It looks real good now but the wheel wells would look
better if they were filled up a little more
2. - '79 F-250 Ranger, Full time 4x4, C-6, 351M, unnamed at this point.

Here's the background: First the trucks (more interesting), then me.

'ZILLA, was found searching the AOL truck classifieds - It was owned by a
corporate lawyer who had bought it for his son. Anyway - he paid 1750.00 for
it and his son had it for less than a month when the steering went. It was
parked, his son did some bad stuff, he took it away, and put it up for sale.
He was asking 1000.00 for it but after talking with him, for some reason (I
think because he couldn't get it to start, and there was NO steering), agreed
to sell it to me for 325.00. I accepted and called it Sold. At that point I
lived in upstate NY, in a little country town, Cambridge. ('Bout 45min. north
of Albany) - and the truck was in NJ.
Dad was pissed but we rented a trailer, made for a car not a massive hulking
beast, and pulled it down to get the truck behind my *mom's* '93 E-150
Conversion van (She was pissed), but anyway we got there and bought the
truck. First I got it running, the carb was bone dry - all I had to do was
dump some gas in the top of it. The steering was undiagnosible because it was
dark but the 325 it was worth fixing. Needless to say with a truck with no
steering it was a pain in the arse to get it on the trailer. My dad being the
"know it all" did it but forgot he wasn't in his Freightliner at work (Driver
for Fed-Ex), and just gave it too much, and he ALMOST ramped the trailer
looking like bigfoot and landed on my mom's van. Luckily the winch on the
front of the trailer, stopped him kindof. then we had to let all the air out
of the tired so it would kind of fit - it didn't so we just strapped it all
down. Yadda yadda yadda - bought a steering box, and that wasn't it, got the
place to take it back (MIRACLE), turned out to have a stripped part (the
thing that holds the soft knuckle and then clamps the column to the steering
box. So I made out. It has been a long time since I bought it (like 10
months) and haven't done much of anything at all to it. Due to the lack of
money, time, and moving. After NY, we moved to NH, where 'ZILLA sat, and I
bought my F-250. Paid 1500.00, everything was fine - drove it around, then
one day I go out and the tranny (C-6) wont shift out of 2 into 3! What a
pain....... With school, sports, and job - I had no time to do anything.
Anyway - this wasn't all bad - when my F-250 clunked out, my parents got me
an 88 Mercury cougar (Still technically a Ford), so I could get to school,
and work, and what not. They got it from a friend so it was kinda cheap -
before I could fix the truck I had to pay them back for the car so the truck
sat - I kept it running everyday a little bit just for "excercise".....After
the car was paid back, and I was ready to get the F-250 looked at, and fixed,
I got the news... My dad requested a transfer to North Carolina, and was
accepted - "We're moving in 2 weeks". This was after only 6 months in NH,
still in the middle of my Junior year in High School, I transferred schools
AGAIN. Anyway - I went into a spin, and had so much to do - I quit my job,
and had no time for the truck. Now I am living in NC, driving my Dad's GMC
(It is almost a sin to say that), because last month my Cougar, on a trip to
NH, did something bad with the head, because now I have water in my oil, and
we ran the piss out of it to get it to a service station, and we didn't make
it - it kept overheating, and the water we were putting in it was shooting
straight out the tailpipe. We towed it back here and are waiting to fix it
because of the $$ we have spent since May - unbelievable!!!! I am not having
a good time here - MY TRUCKS ARE STILL IN NH, and I won't see them until at
least Sept. when my dad gets vacation time. I'll be in school and working, so
He'll fly up on the company cargo plane (free, a perk of working at Fed-ex)
and take the F-250 in to a shop and get the tranny fixed, then tow Zilla down
behind the F-250. That will use ALOT of gas, especially with the FT4x4.
Anyway - just thought I would introduce myself, kinda got sidetracked with my
messed up life, and this got way too long.

It gets longer.

Someone just said in a safety first thread:
""""Fords have a tendency to jump out of park into reverse. I would never
leave it
running in park unnattended, even with the parking brake set, because as
you know, it doesn't hold in reverse very well. """"

Well, sorry, I didn't know - and IN NH, while towing my 150 , with the 250 I
had trouble with the chain and put it in park, on a hill no less - and went
to check it out. To make a long story short - this person was right, they pop
out of park, I found out the hard way, I was almost crushed, and Zilla had
irrepairable fender damage. It wasn't too bad, I was putting new fenders on
anyway...... But I discovered my F-250 that had "NO" rot through in the box
except for the floor, was skimm coated with BONDO, which cracked a little
when they hit. No - biggie, niether were hurt bad.

You can see 'Zilla on the FTE site - it is the big '79 F-150 4x4, in primer,
needing a little help......
The 250 will go up after get some pics scanned.

Mods -
I *want* to put a 460 in the F-250 - it will go in perfect where the 351M
comes out... I hope........I'm not going to do that for awhile, if ever
though because I hate to take out the 351 and just have it sit - it runs
PERFECT, and I do mean perfect. And why spend the money if you don't have to
- - I can use it somewhere else.
The F-150 is a 4 spd - which is a good tranny - but I kindof want an
automatic - I am undecided on what to do here - remember the 150 is going to
have 40's or better and is not going to see much if any offroading, it is
just too big - and the 250 is going to be my daily driver, and play toy - the
Full time 4x4 may be a problem......gas hog plus wear and tear, any thoughts
on a part time conversion? Anyone do this on a similar truck? Is it hard?
Expensive? And the 351M runs ok - I just rebuilt the carb, that motor
actually came from a '78 Custom LTD II, It is definately coming out! I don't
know what to put in though - 429/460 is a virtually a no brainer swap with
that tranny, but If I go to auto., I dont know. I like the 390 ALOT, but like
I said I am only 17 and haven't had much exposure and experiance.
My friend got me hooked on Ford trucks, and he's the only person I've had
teach me anything, all else I learned on my own, and now that I live in NC,
and he's in NY - that is done - he can't help anymore. If there's anyone
around here in NC that I could talk to or meet up with that would be great -
reply, or personal e-mail is fine.

I want to apologise again for the length of this post, but I dont think you
guys mind too much......It did contain Ford related stuff....

- -Shawn
'79 F-150 Custom, 4x4, 4spd, 351M, 6" susp lift, 3" body lift, 36" tires -
'ZILLA
'79 F-250 Ranger, Full time 4x4, C-6, 351M
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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 15:25:55 -0500
From: "Brett L. Habben"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: AC systems and Freeze12

George,
I hear ya, just got done adjusting all four brakes on an old Jeep of mine
and the thermometer's right at 100 in the shade and it's not even noon
yet. Whew! Anyway, here's a couple of web sites with some info on 134
alternatives:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.technicalchemical.com/tcc-f12.htm
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.servtech.com/~mpdudley/ac.htm
To buy any of this stuff you have to be EPA certified. Don't panic, this
is easy and makes life much more enjoyable. One of my co-workers took
two Saturday classes and passed the test and he's never worked as a
mechanic a day in his life. You can even get the course material through
the mail for like $20:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://macsw.org/cert.html
Freeze12 is a blend: 20% R-142b, 80% R-134a, and due to that is not
without controversy. It's marketed as a drop in for R12. The shops
that use it the most use it in the instance where someone wants AC NOW
CHEAP. Playing the devil's advocate, however, if you have to change the
lubricant for a 134 conversion due to incompatibility, why wouldn't
Freeze12 also have a problem with the old lubricant (it's 80% 134)?
Technical Chemical has a 1-800 number and I'd pin them down on that
question before just dumping Freeze12 into my system. As far as doing
it yourself, that would depend on your comfort with servicing
refrigeration systems and having the necessary equipment. If you've got
a fleet, it's definitely cost effective. Here the local AC parts houses
stock Freeze12. Ask around, if not I've seen web sites selling it.
Here's one for example:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.bilowholesale.xtcom.com/
R12 $191/case, Freeze12 $60/case, 134 $48/case.
Wanna hear a good one? A couple of Mexican car buyers told me that the
hot tip in AC in Mexico on a 134 car is to convert it to R12 . Why? It
cools alot better that way.
Brett

>Brent
>Ive never heard of this Freeze12. Tell me more. Is it compatable with
R12?
>can I add it myself or do I need a shop to do it? Where can I get it If
>needed? Ive got 3 R12 users, two are dead. The other just ran $500 of
which
>$300 was for the R12. Gotta do somthing here in Florida cause it's hot
right
>now!
>George


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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 13:47:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: rich may
Subject: FTE 61-79 - stuck in 4wd

Yesterday I took my 76 F-250 on an off-road excursion and it will not
disengage out of 4 low. When I engaged it, I put the truck in park,
jumped out and locked the hubs, and got back in the truck. I then put
it in neutral and shifted it into 4 low. When I finally got back to
civilization, it wouldn't disengage and it feels like something is
prohibiting one? of the wheels from spinning(brake stuck?). It just
came out of the shop and they did fiddle wiht the e-brake and the
regular brakes. Any ideas??

Rich May

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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 14:10:15 -0700
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Holley Pro-jection 4

Try
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.holley.com
They have a very extensive web page. It includes a chat room for users of
thier products. You could browse in there to see what kinds of problems
their customers are having.

Tom H.


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> From: Lion5859 aol.com[SMTP:Lion5859 aol.com]
> Reply To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
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> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Holley Pro-jection 4
>
> Hey Steve,
>
> Do you have a link to a webpage relating to the Holly
> Pro-jection?......
>
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Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 11:16:20 -0400
From: Brent Cole
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Hey Again - Introduction, and some Q's...

Wow! What a story! I drove my 79 F250 4X4 from Ft. Wayne IN to Sumter SC
after I moved because the truck my new company sent to get it was too small.
I burned (and leaked, it leaked if you put in over 3/4 tank) over 100
gallons of gas and burned over 1 gallon of oil getting it here but no break
downs. Come to find out two cylinders only produced 45 psi on the
compression test. It had over 100K war miles on it and stunk like pig crap.
I bought it from a hog farmer and never could get that smell out. That
journey from NY to NC will be a fun one. Good luck

Brent


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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 16:19:51 -0500
From: "Brett L. Habben"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Carb selection info

Folks,
I ran across two web sites with good carb info. Some people were asking
why people run 750 cfm carbs on engines that math says only flows/needs
480cfm. Here's some web insight:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.d-p-g.com/musclecar/Nov97/eR.htm
Example from text: "Carbs are rated at 1.5 in/Hg. Engines at WOT don't
pull that much vacuum, 1.0 in/Hg is closer. As an example, a carb rated
flow 850 cfm. at 1.5 in/Hg was found to flow 690 cfm at 1.0 in/Hg."
Carb calibrating tips web page:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://users.deltanet.com/~stroud/carbtune.html
Interesting quotes from page:
"The biggest city mileage killer is the accelerator pump.
A bigger jet requires less accelerator pump, a smaller more.
A dogleg style booster requires the most pump shot; the annular style the
least.
The higher the velocity through the barrel, the better the atomization
is. Better atomization means more efficiency (more MPG and Power). That's
why dual planes typically give better MPG and performance up to the point
where they start to choke off the upper CFM (and HP).
If you have a 600 CFM 4BBl carb on a true dual plane, the most any one
cylinder can draw through the carb is 300CFM, where a single plane allows
it to draw 600 (At its rated in. Hg, that is)."
Adios,
Brett
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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 14:57:43 -0700
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - F250 and f-350s crewcabs

I'm interested. Price? Location? Tell all!!

Tom H.

> ----------
> From: CCSSportz aol.com[SMTP:CCSSportz aol.com]
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> Sent: Sunday, August 01, 1999 4:20 PM
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - F250 and f-350s crewcabs
>
> --My interests are in 73 -79 F250 and f-350s crewcabs. Does anyone know--
> --of a good site that I could find out more info about these trucks?
> Does--
> --anyone have one they would like to sell? --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`
>
> I know of a 67 F-250, 4 door crew cab, with a 390, 4 spd.
> It in Winston-Salem, NC
> I know it doesn't match what you are looking for personally - but anyone
> else? If so e-mail, and I'll give more info.
> Seemed pretty rare to me!
>
> -Shawn
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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 19:07:33 EDT
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - stuck in 4wd

In a message dated 8/1/99 4:52:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, doom460 yahoo.com
writes:

> Yesterday I took my 76 F-250 on an off-road excursion and it will not
> disengage out of 4 low

The recommended procedure is to back up several feet then try to dis-engage
the transfer case from 4L to N then unlock your hubs. If the transfer case
doesn't shift on the first try---try the procedure again. I am assuming in
all of this that your shifter is not bound AND that you didn't damage your
transfer case by driving on hard dry road surface (ie. pavement) with the
four-wheel drive engaged.

Stock Man
1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible (HELP!---I need 15 x5 factory rims)
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 17:36:42 -0700
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Carb selection info

Sounds interesting. I will check out that site (I'm offline right now.) A
lot of what you quoted makes sense. I believe the part about the accel pump
hurting city mileage. Take the top off your air cleaner and look down the
carb throat. Now open the throttle half way hold it and watch the pump
shot. Now open the throttle a little more -- more pump shot. Every time
you make a minute adjustment on the accelerator pedal that pump shoots a
little gas. I've wondered if the performance would be better if the pump
nozzles atomized the pump shot as it's introduced to the air stream kind of
like a squirt bottle for household cleaners. Any thoughts?

Also explains why people running properly adjusted Q-jets like them so much.
Tiny primaries and huge vacuum operated secondaries to feed the engine what
it needs when it needs it.
> ----------
> From: Brett L. Habben[SMTP:bhabben juno.com]
> Reply To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 01, 1999 5:19 PM
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Carb selection info
>
> Folks,
> I ran across two web sites with good carb info. Some people were asking
> why people run 750 cfm carbs on engines that math says only flows/needs
> 480cfm. Here's some web insight:
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.d-p-g.com/musclecar/Nov97/eR.htm
> Example from text: "Carbs are rated at 1.5 in/Hg. Engines at WOT don't
> pull that much vacuum, 1.0 in/Hg is closer. As an example, a carb rated
> flow 850 cfm. at 1.5 in/Hg was found to flow 690 cfm at 1.0 in/Hg."
> Carb calibrating tips web page:
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://users.deltanet.com/~stroud/carbtune.html
> Interesting quotes from page:
> "The biggest city mileage killer is the accelerator pump.
> A bigger jet requires less accelerator pump, a smaller more.
> A dogleg style booster requires the most pump shot; the annular style the
> least.
> The higher the velocity through the barrel, the better the atomization
> is. Better atomization means more efficiency (more MPG and Power). That's
> why dual planes typically give better MPG and performance up to the point
> where they start to choke off the upper CFM (and HP).
> If you have a 600 CFM 4BBl carb on a true dual plane, the most any one
> cylinder can draw through the carb is 300CFM, where a single plane allows
> it to draw 600 (At its rated in. Hg, that is)."
> Adios,
> Brett
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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 22:46:49 EDT
From: JefriHansn aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 429 Water pump

Been rebuilding my 68 429 in my 79 F-150 4WD now for two munts. Got down
to the last detail last night, before I had to got to work again
sunup-sundown until Wednesday, and still couldn't fire it up. Problem is
with the lower radiator hose. Didn't notice any real difference in the new
water pump as I opened the box and glanced at it, but now that it's on, I do
see this one has the additional cast in bolt hole by the hose that goes to
the intake manifold that the latter smog pump bolted to.
The problem that kept it from going is my new lower water hose doesn't
mate up with the pump and radiator. I assume this water pump is from a
latter model 460 (becasue of the additional cast bolt hole) but does anybody
know if they changed the angle of the water pump inlet? My new hose matches
the old one exactly, but doesn't mate up without a terrible bend at the pump.
It's a simple 90 degree bent hose. The set up now seems to need a 90 degree
coming out of the inlet horizontally down to another 90 degree forwards to
the radiator. Any ideas?
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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 22:51:36 EDT
From: IanBoss69 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 into a 76 F250

In a message dated 8/1/99 7:08:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, doom460 yahoo.com
writes:

> I believe you can count the
> mpg on one hand(it's probably like 4-7)
who has 7 fingers???

Ian
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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 23:00:32 EDT
From: IanBoss69 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Safety

In a message dated 8/1/99 3:50:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ballingr ldd.net
writes:

> All it would have taken to snuff out his life was a 25 MPH gust of wind,
> or somebody throwing a door into the side of his car.

Oh thats nothing, i saw 2 kids the other day installing high arc springs onto
their Ch*vy S-10 with nothing but a hydraulic floor jack pressing up on a
2x10 board across the rear framerails, i didnt stick around to see how they
were going to do the front...

Ian
79 F250 4x4 4spd 351M
members.aol.com/ianboss69/page/home.htm
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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 23:01:31 EDT
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 429 Water pump

In a message dated 8/1/1999 7:52:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
JefriHansn aol.com writes:


coming out of the inlet horizontally down to another 90 degree forwards to
the radiator. Any ideas? >>

Yes, the water pump inlet hose casting changed some where between 70 and 72.
You need the early design.
Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460
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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 23:11:59 EDT
From: IanBoss69 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Starting Problem FIXED !!!!!

Yippie!!! and thank god that is over,,,,seems the problem WAS a bad ground
connection like most of you suggested, I took the old solenoid/starter wire
and hooked it to the block ground wire at the battery terminal (the bolt that
holds the clamp closed) and then the other end to a fender bolt, fired right
up. Drove it for a day,happy as can be, saturday evening got in it, starter
spun but wasnt touching the flywheel, next morning pulled the starter again,
no teeth missing, (thank goodness) starter was bad, even though its my 3rd
new one, so now i have a 4th new starter and the truck works fine!!!, Thanks
a ton (or half or three quarter ton :-) ) to all who helped!!!

BTW i found my exhaust leak while i was messing around, the pass manifold
has a big crack right down the middle, soo getting headers and 2 1/2" pipes
this week hehehe:-) now all i need are 4 16x10" 8-lug wheels for under
100-150 bucks and ill be set

Ian
79 F250 4x4 4spd 351M
members.aol.com/ianboss69/page/home.htm
True Blue Ford Blue
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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 23:29:42 -0400
From: Jason and Denise Ritchie
Subject: FTE 61-79 - adding power steering to '72 F-100

I recently acquired a 1972 Ford F-100 4X4 with a 390. I was hoping that =
someone could give me advice on converting the current unassisted =
steering to a power steering system. If anyone has done this before I =
would appreciate some guidance on the parts required, where parts are =
available and any problems I might encounter. I also have a general =
question about good parts sources for these trucks.

Jason

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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 23:32:48 -0500
From: "Phil / Debi"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - driveshaft

I have a 66 F100 that I am building from several trucks. I need a driveshaft
for it. It is a shortbed has a 360 with a np 235 trans. My question is will
only a 4 speed drive shaft work or is a 3 speed driveshaft the same, just so
I know what to look for. thanks in advance.

Phil Beattie
66 F100 390 C6
66 F100 360 np235
79 F250 4x4 400 C6 (for sale)

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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 23:49:43 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 4wd rotors and hubs

put an old log nut on each wheel stud and drive them out, the studs hold the
two together, if i remember correctly.

jeff grant
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Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 21:31:17 -0700
From: Tim Bowman
Subject: FTE 61-79 - safety while working on vehicles....


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