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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - Holley Pro-jection 4
FTE 61-79 - Lots of Go, Not much Whoa!
Re: FTE 61-79 - Dave and Shorty's
FTE 61-79 - A cry for help from the Darkside
FTE 61-79 - E-test woes
Re: FTE 61-79 - Strange problem
Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear end rebuild and new gear ratio
FTE 61-79 - anti-theft devices
FTE 61-79 - There was a sad sight today
FTE 61-79 - Rear end rebuild and new gear ratio
Re: FTE 61-79 - E-Test Woes
Re: FTE 61-79 - Marino was here/progress on the 71 4x4
Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear end rebuild and new gear ratio
Re: FTE 61-79 - Carburaters
FTE 61-79 - Anti-theft device
Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear end rebuild and new gear ratio
FTE 61-79 - Automatic choke
Re: FTE 61-79 - Carburaters
Re: FTE 61-79 - ac systems
Re: FTE 61-79 - ac systems
Re: FTE 61-79 - Holley Pro-jection 4
FTE 61-79 - Meeting place
FTE 61-79 - bronco for sale (not mine)
Re: FTE 61-79 - Hood ornaments
FTE 61-79 - safety while working on vehicles
FTE 61-79 - manifold/carb ID
Re: FTE 61-79 - Lots of Go, Not much Whoa!
Re: FTE 61-79 - manifold/carb ID
Re: FTE 61-79 - Automatic choke
FTE 61-79 - Re: Sonic testing FE blocks
Re: FTE 61-79 - E-Test Woes
Re: FTE 61-79 - cheap 4x4's in georgia.
FTE 61-79 - Power steering hardware
Re: FTE 61-79 - Power steering hardware
FTE 61-79 - welcome back Steve
Re: FTE 61-79 - Meeting place
Re: FTE 61-79 - Meeting place

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 08:09:41 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Holley Pro-jection 4

I tired to reply directly to you last night, but the e-mail wouldnt let me.
I am VERY interested. Please Contact me, JUMPINFORD AOL.com Thank you

Darrell
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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 05:28:08 -0700
From: John Corbett
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Lots of Go, Not much Whoa!

My '68 F-100 has been blessed with a 429 motor by the PO. It goes really
fast which is OK, but I have to stand on the brakes to stop it. The brakes
are firm but just not real effective. Could the PO have put too hard of a
lining on for non-power brakes? Can I add a vacuum booster to the brake
system? I just bought it and don't want to put it in the body shop yet:)
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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 06:26:55 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dave and Shorty's

Thanks for your message at 10:42 PM 7/29/99 -0400, Don Haring, Jr.. Your
message was:
If you
>ever see a first generation Econoline or Club Wagon there, let me know
>immediately.
I just saw one parked a couple blocks from my house for sale--$800 OBO. It
was purple. It didn't look too bad from a distance. I didn't stop to look
close-up. I will admit I thought about it, but who can handle one more
project?
Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 08:33:32 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - A cry for help from the Darkside

I'll never say a bad word about Ford brakes again. I spent 3 hours working
on one rear wheel on my son's 79 Monte Carlo. If anyone out there in Ford
Land knows the trick to bleed the rear brakes, please e-mail me direct.

Sign me: Desperate

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 08:29:47 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - E-test woes

Well Dave, I don't live in a non-emmisions state, but I do live in a
non-emmisions region. You see Texas is soooo big that we don't all have
to........ Never mind.

1. Did you change spark plugs? If you did, someone sold you some in the
wrong heat range.
2. It is possible that one cylinder, maybe two, is not burning cleanly due
to a bad spark plug, bad wire, loose plug, who knows. Pull all of your plugs
and examine each one closely. They should all look alike. The oddball tells
you which cylinder is not correct.
3. Look at the case for your catalytic converter. If it has any bright spots
on it, the catalyst has been ruined. These bright spots are caused by excess
heat. They are usually on the bottom. The catalyst turns loose of the grid
and drops to the pan. I never have seen a FoMoCo do this, but the flat
bottom GMs do it all of the time. I don't know what causes it.
4. Chaeck your heat riser valve on the right hand exhaust manifold and make
sure it isn't stuck shut and that the vacuum motor is connected and working.

These are all of the things I can think of at the moment.

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 09:23:39 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Strange problem

> Now that it is done, the v8 runs badly on four random cylinders,
>back fires when hot at highway speed, and has a manifold vaccuum reading
>of 6 psi.

You remembered to hook up all 8 wires right :) ?? Sorry couldn't resist ... :)

I have timed it, replaced timing set, checked and found good
>compression on all cylinders, watched the valve-train run like a clock
>with the engine running, and replaced everything to do with ignition.
>The only odd thing is that this engine sat in a crate for twenty years.

what are you setting the timing at ? What about your cam? Stock or hi-po
? Also be sure you've got the firing order going the right way, and right
for the cam, an HO cam will have a different firing order than the stock
non-HO version (IE don't use a truck firing order on a Mustang motor BTDT)
We had checked the firing order a couple times on another vehicle after a
rebuild and couldn't get it to run right, found out that it was spinning
opposite what we'd been told, switched a couple wires, fired off on the
second crank.

Also check the wiring, points-condensor-rotor-cap etc., one symptom of a
bad condensor is random back-firing especially when warm ... BTDT too, had
to limp over 30 miles to a Kmart where I finally got a cheap kit with a
condensor, swapped in in the parking lot (minutes before they closed) and
it fired off and ran fine.

>Please help me before I have to file for divorce, and find a new job!
>
Yikes, hope it doesn't come to that ...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 09:24:20 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear end rebuild and new gear ratio

>stop. For the difference in top end and lower RPM I will gladly adjust
>my driving skills required for the truck. I now have to give it more
>gas to take off however on the Interstate it will definitely scoot.
>

Hey glad you're happy with it ... also glad its doin what we expected :)


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 09:19:54 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - anti-theft devices

Dan,
Thanks. I did understand what you described after all.

>> If you have a Duraspark

I do. But you are right about a burned up coil and module being worth
getting your truck back in one piece. I am now wondering how long it would
take to cause damage in case I (or my son) forget to flip the switch. A
destroyed ignition module after a short time would be as good as a gasoline
cut out, though more expensive.

>>I think separate switches in different locations would
be better than a double throw switch, since once the
thief finds the switch he will undo both.

I believe you are correct on this assertion, however I don't want to go
overboard and make my truck cab look like a 747 cockpit, or do I? Enough
seperate switches and no one would ever be able to figure out the right
combination, especially if I mislabel a few of them. Hmmm...........

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 08:44:12 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - There was a sad sight today

>> I go to a yard (Dave and Shorties!)in eastern Pa (slightly west of
philly). You should see some of the trucks that get in there. I saw a
78, almost perfect body, red/black 2WD extended cab. I'm like, "what the
heck is this doing here". Even the interior seemed nice (although mostly
stripped allready). The fenders and hood were allready crunched from
someone damaging them in the yard. They won't sell whole trucks. Too
bad, as they get some nice one's.

Ox,

I see the same thing down here all of the time. A lot of people drive what
ever it is until it quits, then leave it beside the road, never to return
for it. DPS tags it, the yard tows it in, it is never claimed, the storage
charge easily exceeds the value of the vehicle and there it sits. Texas law
prohibits yards from selling the entire vehicle in most circumstances. Some
parts of the yard really break my heart. Then I look over at the rice burner
section. :-) :-)

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 09:30:09 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Rear end rebuild and new gear ratio

Garry,

I'm gald the conversion was a success and yielded the desired results.

>>I also did notice that the initial take off power was not like it
used to be and when letting off the gas and coasting the truck does not
slow down near as fast. I need to press on the brake a little harder to
stop.

Oops! Sorry I didn't warn you about the lessened engine braking. My Towncar
has the EOD and has less engine braking than the truck, so I am used to it.

On a related note, my new tires dropped about 200 rpm off at 60 mph. Well, I
changed tire sizes, so now my speedo is off, but the truck does roll much
easier with the new tires and freshly packed bearings. (I went from
P235/75-15 to P225/70-15.) Those raised white letters look better and better
every day!

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 09:31:33 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - E-Test Woes

>> That reminds me of an important tip when setting your idle, throttle it
>> back with the screw, then manually snap the throttle open and let it come
>> back to rest, you'll usually find its a bit lower than where you expected

>This is usually a sign of worn throttle shaft bores. I had one get
>so bad that the throttle would stick starting out, making me push
>a little harder, then giving everyone whiplash when the throttle
>finally opened. Repeated 'snapping' on the gas pedal would give a
>different idle every time. This is usually made worse by the
>installation of a heavy-duty (read:garage door) sized return
>spring, which greatly accelerates(!) the wear.
>

This is very true, but when doing the minute (that's my newt, not minute :)
turns that are required to get the idle right where you need to be even a
little binding in the linkage can cause the idle to not drop quite as much
as it will on the street ... of course any binding is amplified by worn
throttle shafts. I also have a bad habit of not having a lot of pre-load
on my throttle return springs, so I don't have them stretched very far at
idle speeds...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 09:33:32 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Marino was here/progress on the 71 4x4

>Tony needed a little vacation from the busy life he has at work (we all
>know he does nothing all day long)

Hey, don't be knockin his job, people will start to catch on after a while
and then everyone'll want a job like that ... :)

Glad you got so much done on the truck ... and it sounds like the bum got a
heck of a deal too ... hope he remembers to put the wheel-locks on it so
that no one steals them ... hehehe ... :)


Oh, they got a laugh
But look who got the last dance ...
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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 07:39:32 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear end rebuild and new gear ratio

Thanks for your message at 09:30 AM 7/30/99 -0500, John LaGrone. Your
message was:
>Garry,
>changed tire sizes, so now my speedo is off, but the truck does roll much
>easier with the new tires and freshly packed bearings. (I went from
>P235/75-15 to P225/70-15.) Those raised white letters look better and better
>every day!

That's interesting my "tire guy" suggested I go up one size when going from
75s to 70s and you went down one size. Well, as long as it works and
drives well...



Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 08:37:38 -0700
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Carburaters

Is it a square bore or a spread bore?

Rade
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Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Carburaters


>Hey all
>i just recently got a 4 barrel carb from a guy for free. origanaly it was
on
>a ford 460, then they used it on a figure 8 car with a ch*vy motor and
they
>didnt like it because of the vent holes on the sides. question is 1 i would
>like to put it on my 352, but i need a intake if anyone has a 4 barrel
>intake for sale let me know. 2 what cfm is the carb, i think its a 600 but
i
>would like to find some one who could verify that. 3 i may not use it right
>away on the ford but i have a d*odge truck with a 318 on it i wouldnt mind
>useing it on that for a bit of time just so it gets used and doesnt sit on
my
>work bench. any info is really apreciated
>Travis
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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 10:46:18 -0500
From: 3granch ayrix.net
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Anti-theft device

Sorry if I sent this more than once. Experinceing technical difficulty here. :( Whats really strange is I am in digest mode and I did not see my reply but then I saw a couple of reply's to it.....Oh well....

What do you do with the wheel after you remove it. In
a car you could lock it in the trunk, but I would have
to leave it in my pickup cab or carry it around all
day.

>It allows you to remove
>the wheel and replace it with a large red cap which
>reads "GrantSecurity System".

When I lived in Chicago I used public transportation and the truck usually sat for three weeks at a time. So I ususally put it in my breifcase (softside) with the faceplate from the stereo and take it with me. I also had a chain on the hood and lug nuts with a special key. I never lost the key to the lug but, a month ago when I got new tires we had to remove one with a chisel. They were thrown in the trash.
Now that I live in the middle of MS, most of the time the truck is in a safe environment so when it not I usually put it behind the seat were it can't be seen. Even if it was laying in the floorboard, I do not think anyone would enter the vehicle to mess with it. Personally I consider it the best anti-theft device for our 70's trucks. So if you are concerned about someone taking your truck I recommend you look into it. Grant does have wheel less than the one I purchase, I got the largest one they make (I think it is 16") so I could see the instrument panel.

Ronnie Rowton
Braxton, MS
78 F250 4WD 351M NP435
76 F100 2WD Supercab 360 C6 (Parts)




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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 09:44:55 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear end rebuild and new gear ratio

>>easier with the new tires and freshly packed bearings. (I went from
>>P235/75-15 to P225/70-15.) Those raised white letters look better and better
>>every day!
>
>That's interesting my "tire guy" suggested I go up one size when going from
> 75s to 70s and you went down one size. Well, as long as it works and
>drives well...
>
you're right Dennis, the math is off a bit, he actually went down a size or
two ... narrower by a half inch or so (235-225=10mm 25mm=1") and shorter
... (I have a spreadsheet that calculates this part) 28.88in to 27.4in
that's optimum of course, real life would probably have an effective
diameter of 26 originally down to 25 or less, but still a change of only an
inch or so ... if your speedo is off, its reading higher than what you're
actually going now ... so you should've gained revs, not lost them ...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 11:21:03 -0500
From: 3granch ayrix.net
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Automatic choke

My automatic choke does not work and I want to put it back to original working order. I have a stock 351M with a rebuilt 2V carb (what ever the standard issue was for this motor, 2150 rings a bell). The linkages on the passanger side flop in the breeze, the choke heater tube is rusted and fell off and the vacuum deal which activate the linkage by the choke heater tube(I think it the choke pulldown). The tube which comes out of the manifold around to the back of the carb and attached to the carb with a rubber hose. One day I noticed air leaking from the whole which this tube goes into the manifold. I sealed it with Black RTV Silicone and the next thing I know it melted the rubber hose and the choke pulldown. I have a new pulldown but I do not know what I need to do fix this. Can I buy a new choke heater tube specifically made for this setup or do I have to get this universal part and make that work? Once I do that how do I proceed from there to get this choke to work? I dont think this is an electic choke.

I also have an electic device on the drivers side of the carb which looks like, if activated, would hit the throttle linkage to increase RPM's. Its temorarily not hooked up. What is this for and can I check to see if its good? How can I adjust it to function properly?

One more thing to include. I installed the factory A/C into a this truck which had no A/C. I don't think I will ever do that again but conversion to 134A was a success. I have not modified the carb (except increase idle RPM) to compensate for the A/C. What should I do to make this work better?

Thanks in advance for any help. I do have the Chilton repair manual but I can't decipher what I need to do.

Ronnie Rowton
Braxton, MS
78 F250 4WD 351M NP435
76 F100 2WD Supercab 360 C6 (Parts)




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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 14:31:33 EDT
From: TWL1911 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Carburaters

i believe its a spread bore but yet again i dont know it was made by holley
for motor craft if that helps any and it does have mechanical secondaries
also does anyone have a 4 - barrel intake for a 352 and also how hard is to
install one. thanks for the help
travis
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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 14:35:49 EDT
From: TWL1911 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ac systems

Hey all
i know this is off the subject of ford trucks, but how hard is to convert a
system that used to use r-12 to 134a i dont want to spend alot but i have a
stuck compressor is there anyway to make them unstuck any info is a apreciated
thanks
travis
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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 13:42:47 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ac systems

>i know this is off the subject of ford trucks, but how hard is to convert a
>system that used to use r-12 to 134a i dont want to spend alot but i have a
>stuck compressor is there anyway to make them unstuck any info is a apreciated

As far as we know its on the subject ... :)

The issue is contamination ... the two types don't mix real well ...
absolute minimum from what I hear is : seals, oil, and r stuff .... but be
sure and change that oil or the pump will do even better things ... as for
"unsticking" them, maybe take it apart and clean it ??? dunno, never tried
it myself ...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 17:05:29 -0400
From: "Michael J. Kupec"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Holley Pro-jection 4

Steve,

If you haven't sold it, I'd like the system.

Do you know if it is complete?

Michael J. Kupec
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1964 1/2 260 Convertible w/PS, PB, & Power Top
1965 289 HP "K" Coupe w/PS, PB, & Pony Int. (Early '65, not a GT)

Get in, Sit down, Shut up, and Hold on!

Habaneros - They're not just for breakfast anymore!

I live with constant fear and danger every day...
and sometimes she lets me go four-wheeling!
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Subject: FTE 61-79 - Holley Pro-jection 4


> Hi All, A few months ago I came across a Holley Pro-jection 4 fuel
> injection system. I bought this system with the intent to put it on my '69
> F-250 390( currently 4v), but I have decided that I really don't want to
> deal with it and I could really use the money to put into my 428 project.
> Sooo... If anyones interested, its for sale for what I paid for it, $200.
> For details e-mail me off list. Best Regards, Steve Salas
>
>
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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 17:10:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: jdklaers magicnet.net (PredFan)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Meeting place

Guys:

Who will be attending the August 7th meeting? Hopefully everyone can make
it. Depending on who can come, we'll decide where.

John

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somehow, somewhere, you've been
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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 19:37:41 -0700
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: FTE 61-79 - bronco for sale (not mine)

I was at the Allparts store in Morgan Hill (CA) today, "Ed" offered a 78
bronco for sale, it needed a new rearend (provided separately) and
driveshafts, but the motor & trans were still good. He said he'd take $150.
The number is (408)779-0012. I might even have taken it myself but since
I'm moving out of the country I'll have to pass on this one..

Bas


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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 19:53:44 -0700
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Hood ornaments

>> I never really thought looking at the rear end of a Bronco(donkey) was that
>> "Cool". I grew up on a farm in Tennessee and I remember several Summers
and
>> early Falls following a Mule down a corn or cotton middle. I never enjoyed
>> that. Don't want one on my vehicle.

Okay but these don't fart :)
Plus I am sure they'd properly disguise whatever bodypart would be
considered inappropriate. Or maybe without those you would enjoy it even
less? ;-)


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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 20:13:00 -0700
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: FTE 61-79 - safety while working on vehicles

>>Sadly, I was born without any mechanical ability at all. Despite my
parents
>I'm sorry to hear that, some of us refer to that as being "mechanically
>declined" (as opposed to inclined :) I'm not sure which would be more
>frustrating, that or like one of my friends who we have nicknamed "Tim" as
>whenever he works on something he manages to hurt himself, just like Tim

Sounds like my father, whenever he works around the house he gets all these
cuts and bruces. I am pretty good though, I've been working on and driving
in this bronco a LOT in the past year and so far I've only cut myself once.

I've been wondering how this happens. I too sometimes sacrifice safety for
convenience, eg rely on a jack w/o stands (I do usually at least put a big
block of wood under it), working on the engine while it runs in drive (my
driveway is at an angle such that it would not go anywhere if the parking
brake failed). In fact I hurt myself so little I tend to forget it's
possible. I am planning on taking an emergency medical training at some
point.

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 18:02:13 -0400
From: j arnold
Subject: FTE 61-79 - manifold/carb ID

Hoping one of you older 460 lovers can help identify this intake and
carb.Sitting on my bench is a spreadbore intake and motorcraft carb that I
was told was off a early 70's Torino. Just started cleaning it up and found
manifold #D6VE-9425-A3A. Now, off the top of my head, I think this means
its off of a 1976 460 (since no 429's after 73), please correct me if I'm
wrong. Carb looks like about a 600cfm, no tag, haven't gotten clean enough
to find any numbers yet. Anybody familiar with this set-up? I'm assuming at
the moment that it's off a 76 Towncar or Continental. If anybody's had
experience with these I'd appreciate any information.

stoney

P.S. Carb IS motorcraft, not holley

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 17:29:07 -0700
From: "Danger"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Lots of Go, Not much Whoa!

> My '68 F-100 has been blessed with a 429 motor by the PO. It goes really
> fast which is OK, but I have to stand on the brakes to stop it. The
brakes
> are firm but just not real effective. Could the PO have put too hard of a
> lining on for non-power brakes? Can I add a vacuum booster to the brake
> system? I just bought it and don't want to put it in the body shop yet:)
> jc
........

If you've got drums brakes up front and no power brake booster, I can
see why your interested in improvements. I've always been a fan of power
disc brakes, especially on a heavy vehicle like an F series truck. I quickly
converted my 69 F250 shortly after I bought it, and have been very pleased.
Without power disc brakes, I would have needed to replace the grille, bumper
and radiator on two occasions so far.

BTW:) I've always thought it was sheep that were supposed to be stupid until
that deer jumped in front of me while traveling 70 MPH down a steep grade of
highway. (whew... that was close!)


Danger


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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 18:31:13 -0500
From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - manifold/carb ID

Your carb and manifold is off of a '76 3/4 or one ton truck.
Jason
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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 19:51:03 EDT
From: GMontgo930 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Automatic choke

In a message dated 7/30/99 12:26:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
3granch ayrix.net writes:

>
> My automatic choke does not work and I want to put it back to original
> working order. I have a stock 351M with a rebuilt 2V carb (what ever the
> standard issue was for this motor, 2150 rings a bell). The linkages on the
> passanger side flop in the breeze, the choke heater tube is rusted and fell
> off and the vacuum deal which activate the linkage by the choke heater
tube(I
> think it the choke pulldown). The tube which comes out of the manifold
around
> to the back of the carb and attached to the carb with a rubber hose. One
day
> I noticed air leaking from the whole which this tube goes into the
manifold.
> I sealed it with Black RTV Silicone and the next thing I know it melted the
> rubber hose and the choke pulldown. I have a new pulldown but I do not know
> what I need to do fix this. Can I buy a new choke heater tube specifically
> made for this setup or do I have to get this universal part and make that
> work? Once I do that how do I proceed from there to get this choke to work?
I
> dont think this is an electic choke.

My choke has a manifold heater with an electric assist. It's been a while
since Ive examined the linkage in detail (Since Ive put a 600 Holly 4bbl on
it). Your best bet for most of it is to examine a good breakdown diagram of
the carb and make sure the linkages are correct first. The tubs going into
the manifold supply heat to the choke cap, one is the supply, the other is
hot air to the choke. Ive never had to replace one but imagine the dealer
will have one, or a wrecking yard should also. The choke pulldown is
connected to a vacuum source on the carb also, near the pulldown itself.

>
> I also have an electic device on the drivers side of the carb which looks
> like, if activated, would hit the throttle linkage to increase RPM's. Its
> temorarily not hooked up. What is this for and can I check to see if its
good?
> How can I adjust it to function properly?

This lil electric device is the throttle positioner for the AC. When you turn
on the AC, It's energized and open the throttle a bit to increase the idle
(Offsetting the compressor load). Their should be a stock connector (Single
wire rubber one) near the firewall & AC/Heater area for it to connect to. If
you want to check it and see if it works, you can connect 12v to the wire
coming off the body, the ground is supplied via the mounting plate &
hardware. The plunger should then extend out of the body a 1/4 inch or so.
W/o the 12v it should pull itself back in. I can probably get the wire
colors, etc. if you need em after I have a peek at mine again.

>
> One more thing to include. I installed the factory A/C into a this truck
> which had no A/C. I don't think I will ever do that again but conversion to
> 134A was a success. I have not modified the carb (except increase idle RPM)
> to compensate for the A/C. What should I do to make this work better?

Im interested in hearing what all you did to convert over to the R134. Ive
got a 79 bronco w 400 & factory air that's getting weak (Still factory
charge, never been recharged or topped off). I haven't heard any details and
most shops around here say good luck, better off rolling the windows down.

>
> Thanks in advance for any help. I do have the Chilton repair manual but I
> can't decipher what I need to do.
>
> Ronnie Rowton
> Braxton, MS
> 78 F250 4WD 351M NP435
> 76 F100 2WD Supercab 360 C6 (Parts)
>
If you need more info, I can examine mine and check out what drawings I have.
I could even try to e-mail some of em to you if needed.

Good luck!

George
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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 19:48:42 -0500
From: "Brett L. Habben"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Sonic testing FE blocks

Tim,
What's a 428 block going to set you back up in AK? Even if you find one
for $400 would you be able to feel a $400 difference between 428 and 416
ci (390 block, 4.05 +.030 overbore)? Same stroke, comparatively low
RPM's in a truck. If you pick the best 390 block you sonic tested that
would still leave you enough meat for another bore job.
Boy am I getting cheap in my old age........
Brett
Super75Cab
>Hey there,
>Stu is correct, I picked up a couple of 1U cranks from the guy in
Ohio...they
>were in pretty good shape, 20-20's I think.....
>And at the time, yes, you could get a brand new 428 block for in the
$1200
>range....
>But also, I've found a couple of 428 blocks for in the $400 to $600
range,
>had to go 30 over...
>They are out there, you just need a little time and patience in finding
>them....
>CJ


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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 18:05:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: canzus seanet.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - E-Test Woes

>wait, why am I the only one responding to this when I'm one of the few
>living in a non-emissions state ?
>
>Lets hear from those of you who go through this every year ...
>

You know, in Washington State, some counties go through the
smog tests while others don't, King County for example, does the smog
test every other year, depending on the year of the vehicle. Grays Harbor
County doesn't do the smog tests at all. I live in King, but register my cars
and truck in Grays Harbor, where I have a residence. So no smogging for
me. The problem comes with having to go to Grays Harbor very often to
collect the mail at the POBox, Ocean Shores, every other weekend.......

If you happen to watch the Northwest Nationals this weekend, I'll be in
the stand just to the right of the tower on saturday. Just look for the guy
that looks like a 70's biker.......SWMBO will be there too. She's more of a fan
than I am....

Steve & the Rockette
63 F100
72 Capri 2000, hers
73 Capri 2600, soon to be a 302
73 MGB GT, Our Toy
94 SHO, SWMBO's
97 Contour, Mine

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 18:06:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: canzus seanet.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - cheap 4x4's in georgia.

At 10:48 PM 28:7:99 -0700, you wrote:
>> >
>> This man is a god. We should all be so lucky!
>>
>> Darrell Duggan
>.........
>
> I've often found myself drooling while viewing the page at
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.wrljet.com/engines/427sohc.html with thoughts of building an F
>series truck around this engine. I'm assuming it produces gobs of torque
>along with the massive HP? Anybody have some specs on this?
>

How does the term "enough" sound?
Or as Bentley says when asked "How much Horsepower?", "Adequate"

SWMBO's Uncle used to work in a shop that tuned cubic $ vehicles,
one that he rebuilt was a 427OHC in a Cigarette boat. He claimed it
was a mild performance build, 650HP, 585 lbs/ft torque.

A big welcome back to myself, working 80+ hours a week tends to put
a damper on oneself to get any e-mail reading done, or anything else for
that matter. Spent the last couple of weeks getting to know the wife, doing
the little things that needed to be done, catching up on my sleep for example.


Steve & the Rockette
63 F100
72 Capri 2000, her toy
73 Capri 2600, soon to be 302, my toy
73 MGB GT Our toy
94 SHO, SWMBO's
97 Contour, Mine
Steve & the Rockette
63 F100
72 Capri 2000, hers
73 Capri 2600, soon to be a 302
73 MGB GT, Our Toy
94 SHO, SWMBO's
97 Contour, Mine

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 21:20:08 -0700
From: "O'Connor"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Power steering hardware

Can anyone help? I have a 66 F100 with power steering. The support
brackets are original and fit thru from 66 thru 70. The pump adjusting
bracket looks like a lobster claw and bolts to the water pump. Another
bracket (pump to block) mounts perpendicular to the lobster claw and bolts
perpendicular to the block. Where the pump to block bracket bolts to the
block, there is supposed to be some kind of hardware there. The Original
Ford parts books don't show very clear what goes there. There is a hole in
the pump to block bracket about 3/4" in diameter. I would be very grateful
if anyone could tell me what attaches the bracket to the block. The block
has a 3/8" tap in it!

Tim
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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 21:26:53 EDT
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Power steering hardware

In a message dated 7/30/99 9:25:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
theoconnors mindspring.com writes:

> Can anyone help? I have a 66 F100 with power steering. The support
> brackets are original and fit thru from 66 thru 70.
Tim:

Which engine do you have?

Stock Man
1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible (HELP!---I need 15 x5 factory rims)
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
www.hometown.aol.com/tbeeee
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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 21:22:20 -0500
From: Stu Varner
Subject: FTE 61-79 - welcome back Steve

> A big welcome back to myself, working 80+ hours a week tends to put
>a damper on oneself to get any e-mail reading done, or anything else for
>that matter. Spent the last couple of weeks getting to know the wife, doing....


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