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61-79-list-digest Friday, July 30 1999 Volume 03 : Number 266



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In this issue:

RE: FTE 61-79 - Hot truck (LONG)
FTE 61-79 - Re: anti-theft device
Re: FTE 61-79 - 428 block prices, was (Sonic checking)
FTE 61-79 - Dave and Shorty's
FTE 61-79 - Re: ford truck theft
FTE 61-79 - Rear end rebuild and new gear ratio
Re: FTE 61-79 - Dave and Shorty's
Re: FTE 61-79 - Dave and Shorty's
FTE 61-79 - Strange problem
FTE 61-79 - Re: 66 F-100 Money Pit
RE: FTE 61-79 - Hot truck (LONG)
FTE 61-79 - Holley Pro-jection 4

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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:46:38 -0700
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Hot truck (LONG)

>In the real world, scale building up in the block and radiator increases the
>thermal resistance between the water, block and radiator, and not enough

Would frequent flushing be adequate to prevent this? I also started using
distilled water, instead of normal tap water.


>As for flow, increasing the flow is like blowing harder on your soup spoon
>to keep from getting tomato burns on your lips. You wouldn't whisper on it
>to 'give the air more time to pick up the heat', would you? No, you'd do

No but I WOULD to keep the soup from flying off my spoon :)



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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 18:10:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dan Lee
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: anti-theft device

John,
The battery side of the coil goes to +12V throught a
current limiting resistor or resistor wire. The High
Voltage goes to the cap. The 'low' side goes to the
points or switching device inside the dist. It only
goes to ground when the switching device is closed,
then current flows in the coil. When the switching
device opens the current stops flowing, which causes
high voltage in the high voltage lead. If you connect
the 'low' side of the coil to ground then the
switching device cannot break the circuit and High
Voltage is never generated(no spark).
This will not hurt a points dist. and probably not any
others. If you have a Duraspark you should check with
someone more familiar with those.
If someone hotwires your truck and leaves the hotwire
in place for a long time your coil may burn out.
However this is true also without the kill switch
since the hotwire is bypassing the current limiting
resistor. You may have a burned out coil, but you will
have your truck.
I think separate switches in different locations would
be better than a double throw switch, since once the
thief finds the switch he will undo both.

Dan Lee
'53 F100
351C-4V

>OK, Dan, I'll bite. Disabling the coil, especially in
>a hard to detect way sounds like a good idea. When
>you say low side of the coil, I'm fogged.
>The coil has three connections. Battery, to the
>distributor cap, and a ground that goes to the
>switching mechanism in the inside of the distributor.
>If I understand you correctly, grounding this third
>wire disables the coil and thus the ignition system.
>Hmmm.... Is there a possibility of any of the
>electronics being damaged? This sounds like a good
>solution. Use a double
>throw switch, ground the coil with one side and the
>nuetral start with the other.

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 19:26:49 -0700
From: MC
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 428 block prices, was (Sonic checking)

Jason & Kathy Kendrick wrote:

> Bore and stroke for various Fe's
>
> 352 = 4.00 bore 3.50 stroke
> 360 = 4.05 bore 3.50 stroke
> 390 = 4.05 bore 3.78 stroke
> 410 = 4.05 bore 3.98 stroke
> 427 = 4.23 bore 3.78 stroke
> 428 = 4.13 bore 3.98 stroke
>
> Jason

Thanks Jason. Now if there were just some way to tell what the bore was
without tearing the motor down, I'd be in business. I would love to find out
that the old "390" in my '70 was really a 427......Well, maybe not. It's kind
of nice to think that I could throw a different motor in there some day with
even more power than I already have. Not that the 390 is a slug, compared to
the "360" in my '76, it's a monster!


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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 22:42:11 -0400
From: "Don Haring, Jr."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Dave and Shorty's

>Don Grossman wrote:
>> Just got home from work and had the misfortune to see 1 of the
>> cleanest 76-77 F-250 4x4's on the back of tow truck.

James Oxley
> I go to a yard (Dave and Shorties!)in eastern Pa (slightly west of
> philly). You should see some of the trucks that get in there.

Hey! That's where I go. It's the only u-pull-it type yard around. If you
ever see a first generation Econoline or Club Wagon there, let me know
immediately. They had one there last year. I pulled a bunch of things, but
it eventually got crushed. If you see any Econos in the Philly area, let me
know because they are rare in the Northeast.

Thanks,
don

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 22:52:39 -0400
From: "Don Haring, Jr."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: ford truck theft

Dennis Pearson said:

>>> I would feel a lot better knowing my truck were stolen by an unreal
>>> thief...

>> Ahh in that case you're the first person I hear of feeling better after
>> your truck was stolen :)

> (Sigh) Ah, the difficulty of communicating irony in an email...

What is this "sigh" you speak of? ;^]

FTE Content: I haven't rigged it yet, but I bought one of those big metal
battery cut-off switches. The old vans have the battery box right behind
the driver's seat. I'm going to install the switch on the front face of the
box (under the seat) and flip it when I park it. No, it won't stop a better
thief, but it's something.

There is also an easy way to lock the shifter rods in gear on the vans as
another poor man's anti-theft solution. I can't tell you guys about because
then you'll know the secret. And I don't want a rash of FTE'ers joyriding
around in my van. Har! :)

- -don

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 23:46:11 -0400
From: Garry Bowling
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Rear end rebuild and new gear ratio

Hello to all, I just wanted to let everyone know how the re-end rebuild
and new gear ratio turned out. As some may remember I changed the gear
ratio in my 67 F100 from a 3.25 to a 2.73. Well I can say that I which
I had done this 2 years ago when I restored the truck. I runs
completely different. The engine is a 352 bored .030 with carter 600
cfm 4bbl and has plenty of power. I immediately noticed the reduced
RPM. I also did notice that the initial take off power was not like it
used to be and when letting off the gas and coasting the truck does not
slow down near as fast. I need to press on the brake a little harder to
stop. For the difference in top end and lower RPM I will gladly adjust
my driving skills required for the truck. I now have to give it more
gas to take off however on the Interstate it will definitely scoot.

As I get used to the new gear I will let everyone know how it is going.
Garry
garrya bellsouth.net
1967 F100 longbed

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 00:38:46 EDT
From: DRVNDBUS aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dave and Shorty's

could you possibly give me the address to shorty and daves i think someone
told me it was in king of prussia but i could be mistaken.

mark//drvndbus

drvndbus aol.com
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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 01:05:38 EDT
From: DRVNDBUS aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dave and Shorty's

could you give me the address to the yard you are talking about
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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 00:14:48 -0500
From: wiregoat juno.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Strange problem

I have been away for awhile with phone and truck problems. I have just
finished a 240 6-cyl to 302 v8 swap that was an adventure to tell y'all
later. Now that it is done, the v8 runs badly on four random cylinders,
back fires when hot at highway speed, and has a manifold vaccuum reading
of 6 psi. I have timed it, replaced timing set, checked and found good
compression on all cylinders, watched the valve-train run like a clock
with the engine running, and replaced everything to do with ignition.
The only odd thing is that this engine sat in a crate for twenty years.
Please help me before I have to file for divorce, and find a new job!



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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 22:35:57 -0700
From: "Steven Salas"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 66 F-100 Money Pit

Kathy, I'm sorry to hear about your truck. Like another list member
mentioned, I would also probably go look for a running engine as an
inexpensive way to get your truck going for the interim. Unfortunately since
your cam broken there is a good chance there is damage to the block as well.
Best Regards, Steve Salas



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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 22:53:54 -0700
From: "Steve Schwartz"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Hot truck (LONG)

Bas,

Flushing is generally a good idea, but won't prevent scale buildup. Hard
water will make scale. Distilled water will help, and is safe. Antifreeze
has some inhibitors.

The only way to remove scale is to lower the pH, i.e. add acid. This is
DEFINITELY NOT a good idea in an automotive engine.

Cleanliness is next to coolness.

Steve

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Bas van der Veer
> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 5:47 PM
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Hot truck (LONG)
>
>
> >In the real world, scale building up in the block and radiator
> increases the
> >thermal resistance between the water, block and radiator, and not enough
>
> Would frequent flushing be adequate to prevent this? I also started using
> distilled water, instead of normal tap water.
>
>
> >As for flow, increasing the flow is like blowing harder on your
> soup spoon
> >to keep from getting tomato burns on your lips. You wouldn't
> whisper on it
> >to 'give the air more time to pick up the heat', would you? No, you'd do
>
> No but I WOULD to keep the soup from flying off my spoon :)
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 22:50:31 -0700
From: "Steven Salas"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Holley Pro-jection 4

Hi All, A few months ago I came across a Holley Pro-jection 4 fuel
injection system. I bought this system with the intent to put it on my '69
F-250 390( currently 4v), but I have decided that I really don't want to
deal with it and I could really use the money to put into my 428 project.....


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