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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Overheating 351C
FTE 61-79 - mix and match ?
FTE 61-79 - RE: cap and rotor interchangeability
Re: FTE 61-79 - mix and match ?
FTE 61-79 - vacuum advance (ignition)
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: cap and rotor interchangeability
FTE 61-79 - Re: Spending Spree - taillights
Re: FTE 61-79 - Overheating 351C
Re: FTE 61-79 - Overheating 351C
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Spending Spree - taillights
FTE 61-79 - Re: # of 74 F-350 SRW Stylesides
Re: FTE 61-79 - mix and match ?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: # of 74 F-350 SRW Stylesides
Re: FTE 61-79 - Benifits of oversized valves
FTE 61-79 - Re- Spending Spree
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: # of 74 F-350 SRW Stylesides
FTE 61-79 - FE 390 rebuilt
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re- Spending Spree
Re: FTE 61-79 - mix and match ?
FTE 61-79 - Re: Overheating 351C
FTE 61-79 - serpentine belts and hi-po pulleys
RE: FTE 61-79 - VERY LARGE Pickup-Style Body
FTE 61-79 - late model factory rims
FTE 61-79 - steering column blues
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Web site updates
Re: FTE 61-79 - steering column blues
Re: FTE 61-79 - Overheating 351C
Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Web site updates
FTE 61-79 - Power steering Pump Pulley
Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Web site updates
FTE 61-79 - *compact* spare
Re: FTE 61-79 - steering column blues
FTE 61-79 - problems with a 390
Re: FTE 61-79 - steering column blues
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: New FTE caps
FTE 61-79 - FMX torgue converter in C6
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: # of 74 F-350 SRW Stylesides
Re: FTE 61-79 - *compact* spare
Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Web site updates
Re: FTE 61-79 - FMX torgue converter in C6
Re: FTE 61-79 - problems with a 390
Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Web site updates
Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Web site updates
Re: FTE 61-79 - Overheating 351C
Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Web site updates

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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 08:22:03 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Overheating 351C

> Hey all, Haven't posted in a while. Got an overheating problem. I remember a
> big discussion on this quite some time back. I recently put a 351C engine
> from a 1970 Cougar into a 78 F150 Pickup for a customer.
> The thing was used and I put a lot of new parts in it for him. oil pump,
> waterpump, timing chain, A/C, etc. Well the thing runs awesome.
> As long as it just sits at an Idle it never gets hot. You can run the A/C at
> full blast and it stays right around 195/200 degrees.
> As soon as you rev up the motor to a fast idle and hold it there or run it
> down the road and get into it any it starts to get hot and then over heats.
> I used the pulleys off of the 302 it had in it. The waterpump pulley and
> crank pulley. I tried a spacer on the fan to move it closer to the radiator
> and that didn't help. It has a fan shroud. Used the fan from the 302. I've
> tried almost every possible thing I can think of short of major tear down. I
> was wondering if these engines may have a problem with cavitation in the
> water pump if the water pump pulley is spinning to fast?
> Any help is greatly appreciated.

You might want to check the gauge circuit. There's a constant voltage
unit that keeps the signal steady, if it's bad, it will make the gauge
go up and down as you rev it up and down. I had a '68 Mustang that had
all of the gauges hooked to one unit, and they all would go up and
down. Weird to watch. I don't know how yours is wired, but there's a
place to start.
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 09:45:41 -0400
From: "Serian"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - mix and match ?

What exactly is the benefits of putting the
heads from a 351M/400 on a Windsor
block engine (other than confusing the
heck out of the parts counter person) ?

I have heard of this being done, but never
actually looked into why that is ...



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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 10:01:56 -0400
From: pickup65 juno.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: cap and rotor interchangeability

According to the Ford High Performance Catalog #1833-B published in 1986
by Peterson Publishing Co., the following is stated. "...the diameter of
fords distributor housing hasn't changed since '57, so DuraSpark
components will fit anything '57 and newer."

The catalog also describes how to convert a 428CJ distributor to
DuraSpark. The following is how they say to do it:

"The easiest way to get all the components is to buy a used V8 DuraSpark
distributor at a junk yard. First, remove the base plate retaining screws
on your distributor. After lifting it out, remove the centrifugal weight
springs and their retaining clip in the center of the rotor shaft to
release the shaft. Unless you're planning to recurve the distributor, the
weights can remain undisturbed.

Remove the rotor shaft from the DuraSpark distributor in the same manner,
install it in your original housing and re-attach the weight springs.
Install the DuraSpark base plate with the two screws. Now the shaft
retaining clip is added. The stator assembly is secured by a retaining
clip.

Your original points had a wire exiting through a hole in the body. to
accommodate the DuraSpark lead, you'll have to cut it to form a U-shaped
opening.

Now slide the armature in the shaft and push the roll pin into the rotor
shaft grove, securing it. The switch is complete."

FYI: I did this conversion for my 351C and it worked perfectly. I took
the guts out of a 302 distributor at the junk yard. Did not even have to
buy the whole thing and have extra parts laying around.

Jon E. Purut
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 09:00:12 -0500
From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - mix and match ?

Serian wrote:
>
> What exactly is the benefits of putting the heads from a 351M/400 on a Windsor block engine? I have heard of this being done, but never
actually looked into why that is ...

The 351M/400 heads have larger valves and ports that will give a 351W
more upper end horsepower, if that's what your 351W is built for. I
think it would be good for racing, but I think because of the larger
port volumes, your low rpm response would suffer. However, I do not
speak from experience-I'm an FE fanatic!
Jason
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 10:00:44 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - vacuum advance (ignition)

> It was written:
> >210 is really about right. Good anti-freeze raises the boiling point
> >up close to 250-260 degrees.
>
> Anti-freeze only raises the boiling point slightly... maybe 10-15
> degrees. It's the pressure cap thats mostly responsible for raising
> the boiling point.


I usually use a 7-9 lb. cap on old systems, and a 195 thermostat. I
also use a 70/30 mix instead of 50/50 (we don't get that cold here). On
my '67 w/ 9.5 to 1 390, timing set where it pinged a little, and 13 lb
cap with a freshly re-done radiator and new heater core. it's seen 230
degrees in traffic many times with no apparent ill effects(except a
little puking when I shut it off, but not much). In fact, the cooling
system seemed to stay cleaner operating in the 210-230 range most of the
time. Of couse, I flushed it out every year, even if I reused the
anti-freeze (dumped it every other year, strained it through a doubled
pillow case on the reuse years. I also kept the radiator clear of
bugs(big isssue around here if you work nights. It looks like I was
pushing the edge of overheating there a little bit. I assumed that the
boiling point was much higher, 250-260 degrees. Obviously wrong.
The '65 has such a big radiator that it runs about 200, and about 215 is
as high as I've seen it go, it has a 7-9 lb cap. It seems to be all
right at that temp.
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 17:13:16 +0200
From: "Bill Brox"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: cap and rotor interchangeability

Thanks a LOT... this was like honey in my ears.... super news.

Super thanks.....!!!!!!!!!!


Bill


> According to the Ford High Performance Catalog #1833-B published in 1986
> by Peterson Publishing Co., the following is stated. "...the diameter of
> fords distributor housing hasn't changed since '57, so DuraSpark
> components will fit anything '57 and newer."
>
> The catalog also describes how to convert a 428CJ distributor to
> DuraSpark. The following is how they say to do it:
>
> "The easiest way to get all the components is to buy a used V8 DuraSpark
> distributor at a junk yard. First, remove the base plate retaining screws
> on your distributor. After lifting it out, remove the centrifugal weight
> springs and their retaining clip in the center of the rotor shaft to
> release the shaft. Unless you're planning to recurve the distributor, the
> weights can remain undisturbed.
>
> Remove the rotor shaft from the DuraSpark distributor in the same manner,
> install it in your original housing and re-attach the weight springs.
> Install the DuraSpark base plate with the two screws. Now the shaft
> retaining clip is added. The stator assembly is secured by a retaining
> clip.
>
> Your original points had a wire exiting through a hole in the body. to
> accommodate the DuraSpark lead, you'll have to cut it to form a U-shaped
> opening.
>
> Now slide the armature in the shaft and push the roll pin into the rotor
> shaft grove, securing it. The switch is complete."
>
> FYI: I did this conversion for my 351C and it worked perfectly. I took
> the guts out of a 302 distributor at the junk yard. Did not even have to
> buy the whole thing and have extra parts laying around.
>
> Jon E. Purut
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.xoom.com/Chelley
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 08:18:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: draco pacifier.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Spending Spree - taillights

John wrote:
> Yo gang, aren't vacations great? Henry and the dogs had a contest to
> see who could spend the most.

My three vehicles are currently holding such a contest. My money is
on the van that we just took on a 2K+ mi road trip. The overdrive
light is flashing which is an indication of a tranaxle problem,
something to do with the pressure control solenoid. My 30yr old car
has some kind of fuel delivery problem. I am going to flush the gas
tank and replace the filter screen today. As for the truck, it still
has a way to go.

> I learned two things about F series tail light assemblies. The 79 is
> different from the earlier years. Though outward appearance is the
> same, the earlier years (from 74 to ?) have four screws holding on a
> lense. My 79 has two screws that hold an integral assembly.

My '74 and the '74 I owned before it both have the integral assemblies
that you describe. I am sure they are not original because I ordered
the lens gaskets, thinking they were like the marker lights and turn
signals (between the light assy. and the body). The taillight gaskets
look like they are for the four hole lenses. They are from Dennis
Carpenter and are listed for '73-'74. I wasn't sure what was wrong.
Thanks for solving the puzzle.


Mark in Southwest Washington
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 12:58:09 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Overheating 351C

Have you checked to see how far your timing is advancing? I had a similar
problem with a To*ota. Turned out the thing was at 35' initial, over 60
total advance. Thing made AWESOME top end power, but overheated everytime I
got on the freeway.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 13:01:39 EDT
From: IanBoss69 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Overheating 351C

Dave,
my grandfather had a 50 merc with a 351C in it until recently when he sold
it,,,(i almost cried :-((( ) he had a 8-71 blower on it and it would really
overheat when he first put it in, he got a huge griffon radiator and it
seemed to solve the problem, and by huge i mean like 3" thick maybe more,,,

Ian
79 F250 4x4 4spd 351M
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 13:04:27 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Spending Spree - taillights

In a message dated 7/25/99 8:19:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
draco pacifier.com writes:


> same, the earlier years (from 74 to ?) have four screws holding on a
> lense. My 79 has two screws that hold an integral assembly. >>

I can field this one. The only truck to have the 4 screw tail light lens was
73. There are a lot of little things on the 73 like this. For all intents
and purposes, the 73 is the most over built Ford on the road. Aside from the
tail lights, there are places like under the dash, and I believe along the
firewall where there are more screws than the later years. But I can atest
to the fact that only 73 had the 4 screws, as my 74 has the original lenses
(I know, cuz I checked the date on them) and they only have 2 screws.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 12:08:01 -0500
From: "Brett L. Habben"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: # of 74 F-350 SRW Stylesides

Darrell,
The book breaks down '74 F350's as such:
Chassis and cowls: 144
Chassis and cabs: 48,812
Platform and rack: 7,546
Platform: 786
Supercab: 1340
Styleside cab: 9,929
This book does not go into any details, and possibly the Ford Red Book
would be able to give some additional information. But at 9,929 I'd call
"Tweety" a rare bird.
Brett
Super75cab

>Any chance this book has a # of 74 F-350 SRW Stylesides produced?
>Darrell Duggan
>74 F-350 "Tweety"

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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 13:03:37 EDT
From: IanBoss69 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - mix and match ?

In a message dated 7/25/99 9:47:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
serian flashmail.com writes:

> What exactly is the benefits of putting the
> heads from a 351M/400 on a Windsor
> block engine

ive seen W blocks with C heads on it because of the bigger valves and better
flow of the C heads, never seen a M head on one though

Ian
79 F250 4x4 4spd 351M
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 13:32:50 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: # of 74 F-350 SRW Stylesides

In a message dated 7/25/99 10:10:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
bhabben juno.com writes:

>


Thank you very much. Know where I can find this "Ford Red Book"? I wonder
if this would break it down by options. Basically Id like to know how many
of these were work trucks, and how many of these are the fully loaded
monsters like Tweety. Maybe I'll hit Barnes and Noble. Thanks again for the
info.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 13:35:56 EDT
From: TWL1911 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Benifits of oversized valves

Hey all
does any one know the benifits of over sized valves on a 352 or any fe block
for that matter. i plan on when i get my new intake is to do a valve job on
it but im not sure if i should have the guy make the valves over sized or
not. tahnks for any info
travis
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 10:43:06 -0700
From: sparky mail.island.net
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re- Spending Spree

>I learned two things about F series tail light assemblies. The 79 is
different >from the earlier years. Though outward appearance is the same,
the earlier years
>(from 74 to ?) have four screws holding on a lense. My 79 has two screws
>that hold an integral assembly.

Oh I wonder if that means I have a 79 bed on my truck? It only has two
screws holding on the taillight assembly.
Well the list just keeps getting longer :) the truck is registered as a
73, but I have discovered so far the frame is a 73, the cab is 76 and now
possibly has a 79 box. I will have to just start calling it a true "73-79"
truck LOL.
On that note I was wondering if someone could confirm my deciphering of
the VIN F26YRR05486 and see what the truck is actually supposed to be from
the factory. I found it was a 73 F250 4x4 (so far so good) a 360 2bbl (oh
oh guess I have to get out the wooden dowel and check) assembled in San
Jose. Also I was wondering what the 4v intake manifold # D5TE9425M
installed now originally came off. Thanks.

Sparky
73 F250
4x4 390FE not so fast maybe a 360FE :}

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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 13:54:04 -0400
From: William A Whited
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: # of 74 F-350 SRW Stylesides

What was the name of the book that he has?

JUMPINFORD aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 7/25/99 10:10:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> bhabben juno.com writes:
>
> >
>
> Thank you very much. Know where I can find this "Ford Red Book"? I wonder
> if this would break it down by options. Basically Id like to know how many
> of these were work trucks, and how many of these are the fully loaded
> monsters like Tweety. Maybe I'll hit Barnes and Noble. Thanks again for the
> info.
>
> Darrell Duggan
> 74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 14:07:21 -0400
From: William A Whited
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FE 390 rebuilt

Can you guys believe it they actually had an FE 390
buildup on HOTROD TV this weekend, they are supposively
going to put it in a Thunderbird later on. They used
Edelbrock Aluminum heads and some other items of
interest.

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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 10:15:53 -0800
From: "Erik Marquez"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re- Spending Spree

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Date: Sunday, July 25, 1999 9:42 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re- Spending Spree


snip
> On that note I was wondering if someone could confirm my deciphering of
>the VIN F26YRR05486 and see what the truck is actually supposed to be from
>the factory. I found it was a 73 F250 4x4 (so far so good) a 360 2bbl (oh
>oh guess I have to get out the wooden dowel and check) assembled in San
>Jose. Also I was wondering what the 4v intake manifold # D5TE9425M
>installed now originally came off. Thanks.
I found this from one of the Ford Vin De-Coders

Model Year: 73
Series: F250 - 4x4 Pickup
Engine: 8 Cyl, 360ci, 2bbl
Assembly Plant: San Jose
Transmission: No code selected
Front Axle: No code selected
Rear Axle: No code selected

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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 12:45:52 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - mix and match ?

M heads and 2V C heads are basically identical. Anything you can do with a
2V C head will be the same with an M head.

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Date: Sunday, July 25, 1999 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - mix and match ?


>In a message dated 7/25/99 9:47:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>serian flashmail.com writes:
>
>> What exactly is the benefits of putting the
>> heads from a 351M/400 on a Windsor
>> block engine
>
>ive seen W blocks with C heads on it because of the bigger valves and
better
>flow of the C heads, never seen a M head on one though



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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 15:48:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dan Lee
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Overheating 351C

I think all Clevlands tend to run hot. Mine is from a
'71 Torino and I used the cross flow radiator, but I
needed a couple of tubes soldiered closed. Now on a
hot day if I get on it for any length of time, it will
run up to 210 or so. I have a high pressure cap on it
so it doesn't boil.
If you don't overheat at idle you don't have an air
problem. It must be coolant flow. What radiator did
you use? Is your radiator partially blocked? Are any
tubes closed? You may need a four row radiator.

Dan Lee
'53 F100
351C-4V


Hey all, Haven't posted in a while. Got an overheating
problem. I
remember a
big discussion on this quite some time back. I
recently put a 351C
engine
from a 1970 Cougar into a 78 F150 Pickup for a
customer.
The thing was used and I put a lot of new parts in it
for him. oil
pump,
waterpump, timing chain, A/C, etc. Well the thing runs
awesome.
As long as it just sits at an Idle it never gets hot.
You can run the
A/C at
full blast and it stays right around 195/200 degrees.
As soon as you rev up the motor to a fast idle and
hold it there or run
it
down the road and get into it any it starts to get hot
and then over
heats.

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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 16:32:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: rich may
Subject: FTE 61-79 - serpentine belts and hi-po pulleys

I have a 1968 390 and I was wondering if anyone knew of a serpentine
belt system or alternate pulleys for this. I want to free up some power
and am looking for the cheap ways to do it first. Any info would be
gladly appreciated.

Thanks
Rich May

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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 16:49:41 -0500
From: Jeff Lester
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - VERY LARGE Pickup-Style Body

If y'all are ever in Casper, Wyoming, you might catch a glimpse of
a mid 70's 2 ton (I believe) Ford 4x4 with a *flareside* bed. I was
tempted, a few years ago, to buy it, but my wife talked me out of it.
I think it was originally a BLM fire truck, but was modified with flareside
'glass and a styleside bed. Oh... and it had *gobs* of ground
clearance 8^)

Jeff Lester - La Porte, Texas
78 Ford E350 4x4, 460, C6, NP205, D44/70, 35" BFG MT's
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On Saturday, July 24, 1999 9:32 PM, TBeeee aol.com [SMTP:TBeeee aol.com] wrote:
> In a message dated 7/24/99 12:45:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, vogt oro.net
> writes:
>
>
> an animal? I'd almost like to buy it because it looks like such a
> collector's item, not in bad shape.
> >>
>
> No but can we? A picture would be worth a thousand words.
>
>
> Stock Man
> 1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible (HELP!---I need 15 x5 factory rims)
> 1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
> www.hometown.aol.com/tbeeee

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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 15:22:14 PDT
From: "steve potratz"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - late model factory rims

Mark wrote:
I'll doublecheck it this weekend for you. As far as I know there aren't
any issues with using a 96 or older rim on a 96 or older pickup ... for
1/2tons ... they may have changed the backspacing, but I haven't heard
anything about that.
Steve writes:
There is a problem with clearance of the brake calipers on the 8" styled
steel wheels. I bought a set a few years ago and they would not fit on my
78 4wd supercab. I ended up trading for a set of Ford Bronco wheels and
used the late model chrome center caps. I liked the looks of this setup
better anyway and the wheel is stronger too. The center of the rim is cut
from sheet rather than stampped like the late model rims. Check with your
local tire shop. I found mine at Les Schwab tires and they traded me
straight across for some cheap white spokers.

Steve
78 f150 supercab 4wd 400
71 f100 swb 460
71 Tbird Sport Coupe 429



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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 20:36:06 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - steering column blues

Fellow Fordnatics, I need your help. Two weeks ago, I started popping turn
signal fuses. Then on Friday, my brake light fuse popped. On saturday, my
steering column started smoking, obviously had a nice short. Again it popped
the fuse. Well this tells me that all my problems were in my steering
column. Today I start to take it apart, and BINGO found the problem. This
was another case of the previous owner being a total moron. The turn signal
cam broke, and he replaced it with a junkyard unit. But when he did, he just
spliced all the wires together with electrical tape, instead of doing it
right. Well as you can imagine, all the tape is dryed up, and Im having
problems. I also discovered the squeak Ive been having lately, I have a bad
upper bearing. All the metal in the upper portion is trash, thank to the PO
not assembling everything right.

My question is does anyone make or rebuild columns for the 73-79 ford trucks?
If I can find one cheap, I will just buy that. If not, Im going to a
wreckin yard, find a column, and build it myself. Any info you all have
would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 20:39:15 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Web site updates

Ford Truck Enthusiasts web site updates:

Pictorial sections updated:
1. Pre-48
2. 48-52
3. 53-56
4. 97 and newer
5. small trucks
6. Rancheros

Link sections updated:
1. Antique cars
2. Ford trucks - Econolines
3. Performance trucks
4. Offroad trucks

As some of you may know, FTE takes active steps to
combat spam (Junk email). We have the following
measures:

1. for ford-trucks.com email addresses, POP3 login
is required before sending email through our
system.
2. we continually update a database of known spammers
and reject mail from them (13,000 known sources
right now)
3. Where possible, we mangle email addresses on the
web site.

We're pleased to announce that we now have a tool
on the web site (invisible to users) which activates
when an email address harvester hits our site to
try to get email addresses from the web pages. This
tool spits out tens of thousands of bogus email
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so badly that it is, in effect, rendered useless.

Also, if you haven't checked out the site in a while,
there is a page which links up to the US TSB/recall
database. You can get TSB and recall information for
Ford trucks and vans all the way back to 1966.

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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 21:03:03 EDT
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - steering column blues

In a message dated 7/25/99 8:42:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
JUMPINFORD aol.com writes:

> The turn signal
> cam broke, and he replaced it with a junkyard unit. But when he did, he
> just
> spliced all the wires together with electrical tape, instead of doing it
> right.

Doing it right means DON'T CUT THE WIRES! The harness connector can easily
be removed which allows the wires to come out of the column without being
cut. The connector re-attaches after the wires are fed down through the
column. If you don't know how just ask.

Stock Man
1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible (HELP!---I need 15 x5 factory rims)
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
www.hometown.aol.com/tbeeee
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 18:13:03 PDT
From: "George Litton"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Overheating 351C

Dave,
Have you pulled the thermostat housing off? With the Cleveland, unlike the
351m and 400, there is a restrictor under there. It slows down water flow
so it stays in the heads to absorb more heat. I had a Mustang with a 351C,
and that little guy was gone. As soon as I got another one in, no more
cooling problems. I have not been able to find one from therostat mfgs.,
but it might still be in the Ford parts system. It sits about one inch down
from the thermostat, and is a press fit into its "seat". Good luck.


>From: "Dave Walbeck"
>Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - Overheating 351C
>Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 01:14:06 PDT
>
>Hey all, Haven't posted in a while. Got an overheating problem. I remember
>a
>big discussion on this quite some time back. I recently put a 351C engine
>from a 1970 Cougar into a 78 F150 Pickup for a customer.
>The thing was used and I put a lot of new parts in it for him. oil pump,
>waterpump, timing chain, A/C, etc. Well the thing runs awesome.
>As long as it just sits at an Idle it never gets hot. You can run the A/C
>at
>full blast and it stays right around 195/200 degrees.
>As soon as you rev up the motor to a fast idle and hold it there or run it
>down the road and get into it any it starts to get hot and then over heats.
>I used the pulleys off of the 302 it had in it. The waterpump pulley and
>crank pulley. I tried a spacer on the fan to move it closer to the radiator
>and that didn't help. It has a fan shroud. Used the fan from the 302. I've
>tried almost every possible thing I can think of short of major tear down.
>I
>was wondering if these engines may have a problem with cavitation in the
>water pump if the water pump pulley is spinning to fast?
>Any help is greatly appreciated.
>
>
>
>Dave Complete and Total FORDNUT, Highboy Nut, & FE Nut Too!!!!!!
>
>
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 21:11:34 EDT
From: OldTrux aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Web site updates

In a message dated 7/25/99 7:42:53 PM Central Daylight Time,
kpayne ford-trucks.com writes:

> We're pleased to announce that we now have a tool
> on the web site (invisible to users) which activates
> when an email address harvester hits our site to
> try to get email addresses from the web pages. This
> tool spits out tens of thousands of bogus email
> addresses to the harvester, polluting their database
> so badly that it is, in effect, rendered useless.

Way to go, Ken!
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 21:23:02 -0700
From: "O'Connor"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Power steering Pump Pulley

Don,
Go to Auto Zone and they will rent you a puller for the price of the unit
and will refund the price when you return it. The pullies are pressed on
and they require a special puller to remove them. Don't try to remove the
pulley without the correct puller- you will ruin the pump.

Tim
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 20:17:54 -0500
From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Web site updates

Most excellent!

OldTrux aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 7/25/99 7:42:53 PM Central Daylight Time,
> kpayne ford-trucks.com writes:
>
> > We're pleased to announce that we now have a tool
> > on the web site (invisible to users) which activates
> > when an email address harvester hits our site to
> > try to get email addresses from the web pages. This
> > tool spits out tens of thousands of bogus email
> > addresses to the harvester, polluting their database
> > so badly that it is, in effect, rendered useless.
>
> Way to go, Ken!
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 19:12:22 PDT
From: "Don Jones"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - *compact* spare

I am running 7.50-17 tires on my truck. They measure about 36 inches in
diameter.
The problem is that i have no easy place to carry a spare that big when I am
hauling my camper. I have a new 8.00-16.5 tire and rim (about 27inches in
diameter) that i could mount underneath the bed.
I realize that one small tire would make the handling interesting, but does
anyone know if i could damage my axles?
I have dana 60 and 44 axles under my truck.

Don Jones
1970 f-250 4x4 ~FORDZILLA~


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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 22:19:19 EDT
From: GMontgo930 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - steering column blues

I usto have a 73 F100 and ended up replacing the column for several reasons
with that of a '76 model. It was an easy swap and the price was right. I cost
me $75 and I think that was in 1980. Cant imagine the price would have
changed much. On the plus side, I got intermittent wipers at the same time
when I found those parts in the same truck.

George Montgomery

In a message dated 7/25/99 8:42:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
JUMPINFORD aol.com writes:


turn
signal fuses. Then on Friday, my brake light fuse popped. On saturday, my
steering column started smoking, obviously had a nice short. Again it
popped
the fuse. Well this tells me that all my problems were in my steering
column. Today I start to take it apart, and BINGO found the problem. This
was another case of the previous owner being a total moron. The turn signal
cam broke, and he replaced it with a junkyard unit. But when he did, he
just
spliced all the wires together with electrical tape, instead of doing it
right. Well as you can imagine, all the tape is dryed up, and Im having
problems. I also discovered the squeak Ive been having lately, I have a bad
upper bearing. All the metal in the upper portion is trash, thank to the PO
not assembling everything right.

My question is does anyone make or rebuild columns for the 73-79 ford
trucks?
If I can find one cheap, I will just buy that. If not, Im going to a
wreckin yard, find a column, and build it myself. Any info you all have
would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
>>
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 18:27:04 -0800
From: "Matthew Schumacher"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - problems with a 390

Hello All,

Am am having some trouble getting my new 390 to run perfectly. Do any
of you have any ideas on how to fix any of these problems?

Truck: 1976 F-150 390 ci, stock holley 4160 (list 6947). New engine
(bought a long block from a local parts house), distributor, fuel pump,
coil, plug wires, and plugs. Just rebuilt the carb using a holley renew
kit.

Problems:

1. I have no idea what the timing needs to be set too... One book I
have
suggests 6 degrees BTDC. The emissions sticker is gone...

2. When my idle mixture screws are all the way in, the engine still
runs.... I think I need new needles, they didn't look that great when I
rebuilt the carb.

3. One of my spark plugs is leaking where it screws into the block. (I
am not impressed with the quality of the rebuilt long block) I wonder
if
I could use a spark plug gasket even though it wasn't made for it. I
don't
want to torque it any tighter, I might strip it, and that would suck.

4. The truck doesn't make the low end torque like it should when
stepping
on the gas from dead stop. I have 33" tires on it and want it to throw
mud to clean the tires when I need it to. I don't think this is the
accelerator pump on the carb, I set it with a feeler gauge when I
rebuilt
the carb.

5. The truck is missing a little tiny bit at idle, on the same side as
the
leaky plug.

6. How can I tell if the vacuum secondaries on my carb are working? It
doesn't feel like all 4 barels are openning.

7. Anyone wanna fly up here to alaska to look at it? I'll take you
fishing ;)

Notes:

I would just buy a new carb, but I live in an emission controlled city
so
the stock 4 bl carb is the only 4 bl I can legally run. Also don't want
to
deal with kick down linkage on a 3rd party carb. The stock carb is $400
at napa.

Thanks

schu
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 22:32:42 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - steering column blues

In a message dated 7/25/99 7:26:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
GMontgo930 aol.com writes:


when I found those parts in the same truck. >>

Hehe, already have that. But While Im searchin, I wanna find a tilt column
if possible, maybe one with cruise......

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 22:36:42 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: New FTE caps

Fellow FTE members. Over the past year, I've had MANY
requests from members for Ford Truck Enthusiasts to
produce a baseball cap. We finally bit the bullet and
created one.

The cap is two-tone denim, blue jean colored bill with
khaki colored cap. It has "Ford Truck Enthusiasts"
embroidered on the front and the web address. We decided
that a high quality cap for a couple bucks more that
lasts a long time was better than a cheap cap that
wears out. This cap has an adjustable leather strap
instead of plastic and is made of pre-washed denim.
You'll find a picture of it on the web site plus a
link to purchase it. The picture is lousy since all
I have is a cheapo $70 computer cam but we put a closeup
of the logo and denim on the linked page with the
flatbed scanner so you can a close-up of the logo.

This is a limited item and they are for sale for
$11.75. As many of you know, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
funds its free web site and list services through the
sale of the items listed on our online store. As
always, you are NOT obligated to make a purchase.

Additionally, FTE is working on incentives for Association
Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts club members. Nothing is
carved in stone yet, but we're planning to offer a
discount to club members on ALL decals sold on the
web site. Additionally, we're working with a vendor
to provide a discount for first purchases made by
Association Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts club members.

Now back to our regular program.
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 21:50:46 -0500
From: "don"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FMX torgue converter in C6

will a torgue converter from a FMX work in a C6 transmission ?
any help appreciated

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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 23:03:09 EDT
From: IanBoss69 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: # of 74 F-350 SRW Stylesides

I'd be interested in a Red Book with 79's in it too, if there is one

Ian
79 F250 4x4 4spd 351M
members.aol.com/ianboss69/page/home.htm
True Blue Ford Blue
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 23:20:22 EDT
From: IanBoss69 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - *compact* spare

If your axles don't have a locking mechanism or limited slip i don't see why
it would hurt anything, but if they have limiter slip/lockers i wouldnt try
it,

Ian
79 F250 4x4 4spd 351M
members.aol.com/ianboss69/page/home.htm
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 23:33:24 EDT
From: WEDIVE247 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Web site updates

In a message dated 99-07-25 20:42:53 EDT, you write:


1. Pre-48
2. 48-52
3. 53-56
4. 97 and newer
5. small trucks
6. Rancheros >>



What happened to 61/66 pictorial sections ?
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 23:37:04 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FMX torgue converter in C6

nope, it wont work.

jeff grant
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 19:39:44 -0800
From: "Erik Marquez"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - problems with a 390

ok, Deal, I'll fly in... Where in Alaska? Is there flight service from
where ever you live to ummmmmm, Fairbanks? Emission controlled area huhhh.
umm North Star Boughor? Or Anchorage?

Erik Marquez
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.mosquitonet.com/~bronco78
Home of the BB decal
- -----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Schumacher
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Sunday, July 25, 1999 6:27 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - problems with a 390


>Hello All,
>
>Am am having some trouble getting my new 390 to run perfectly. Do any
>of you have any ideas on how to fix any of these problems?
>
>Truck: 1976 F-150 390 ci, stock holley 4160 (list 6947). New engine
>(bought a long block from a local parts house), distributor, fuel pump,
>coil, plug wires, and plugs. Just rebuilt the carb using a holley renew
>kit.
>
>Problems:
>
>1. I have no idea what the timing needs to be set too... One book I
>have
>suggests 6 degrees BTDC. The emissions sticker is gone...
>
>2. When my idle mixture screws are all the way in, the engine still
>runs.... I think I need new needles, they didn't look that great when I
>rebuilt the carb.
>
>3. One of my spark plugs is leaking where it screws into the block. (I
>am not impressed with the quality of the rebuilt long block) I wonder
>if
>I could use a spark plug gasket even though it wasn't made for it. I
>don't
>want to torque it any tighter, I might strip it, and that would suck.
>
>4. The truck doesn't make the low end torque like it should when
>stepping
>on the gas from dead stop. I have 33" tires on it and want it to throw
>mud to clean the tires when I need it to. I don't think this is the
>accelerator pump on the carb, I set it with a feeler gauge when I
>rebuilt
>the carb.
>
>5. The truck is missing a little tiny bit at idle, on the same side as
>the
>leaky plug.
>
>6. How can I tell if the vacuum secondaries on my carb are working? It
>doesn't feel like all 4 barels are openning.
>
>7. Anyone wanna fly up here to alaska to look at it? I'll take you
>fishing ;)
>
>Notes:
>
>I would just buy a new carb, but I live in an emission controlled city
>so
>the stock 4 bl carb is the only 4 bl I can legally run. Also don't want
>to
>deal with kick down linkage on a 3rd party carb. The stock carb is $400
>at napa.
>
>Thanks
>
>schu
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 23:43:14 -0400
From: William A Whited
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Web site updates

They are still there he was just stating that those listed sections were
updated.

WEDIVE247 aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 99-07-25 20:42:53 EDT, you write:
>
>
> 1. Pre-48
> 2. 48-52
> 3. 53-56
> 4. 97 and newer
> 5. small trucks
> 6. Rancheros >>
>
> What happened to 61/66 pictorial sections ?
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William A Whited
74 F100 RANGER SUPERCAB 390
"IT DON'T GTMO BETTER THEN THIS, SEMPER FI"


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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 23:46:40 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Web site updates....

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