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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - distributor guts
FTE 61-79 - Re: Shipping Advice
FTE 61-79 - Power steering pump pully
FTE 61-79 - 18/39 x 16.5 M.T and Weld rims for sale! $2,000 for only $600
FTE 61-79 - vacuum advance (ignition)
FTE 61-79 - VERY LARGE Pickup-Style Body
FTE 61-79 - 76 F100 questions
FTE 61-79 - Spending Spree
FTE 61-79 - 76 351W
FTE 61-79 - RE: Ignition Timing
FTE 61-79 - RE: Carb size
Re: FTE 61-79 - Spending Spree
FTE 61-79 - Fuel Pump/Vacum/Carb trailer lights
Re: FTE 61-79 - vacuum advance (ignition)
FTE 61-79 - 428 cam
FTE 61-79 - 1977 Crew Cab
Re: FTE 61-79 - 76 F100
FTE 61-79 - Electric fuel pump inline w/ mech pump?
Re: FTE 61-79 - VERY LARGE Pickup-Style Body
FTE 61-79 - Re: How many '76 F100 Supercabs
FTE 61-79 - Re: 240-300's: Where?
Re: FTE 61-79 - 76 F100
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: How many '76 F100 Supercabs
FTE 61-79 - Overheating 351C

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Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 08:58:59 -0400
From: "Serian"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - distributor guts

> I think what the question was, was can he
> take the guts out of the dist. base and put
> them in an FE dist. The caps will work no
> problem, its the guts that are the issue ...

yep ... done that too, though the project that I
did was to put conventional dist guts in a
Duraspark II casing. It works in that direction,
so I would guess it works in the other direction
as well. Those little springs inside are a pain
in the arse to set into proper position, but
everything else fit nicely.



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Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 08:57:57 -0400
From: pickup65 juno.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Shipping Advice


cost?....
Hehe

"Wow,.. these big tires sure are light" says the clerk as he weights all
items to be shipped.>>>>

That reminds me of something. Way back when I was in engineering school
my professor told us about this same idea. A guy called him who owned a
logging company and was having trouble with his equipment getting stuck
in wet land areas. The guy was using those big machines with large
flotation tires but was still getting struck. He asked if putting helium
in the tires would help lighten the machines. My professor said that it
would not do any good. As helium is compressed it increases its density.
The helium would have to be compressed to whatever the tire psi rating
was so it would negate the benefit. If I remember correctly the guy got
pissed off and said he was going to try it anyway then hung up. Never
found out if the guy ever tried it.

FTE content. I sure love driving my 351C powered 65 F100.

Jon E. Purut
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Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 09:14:13 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Power steering pump pully

>
>
> > Hey there
> >
> > I've been at it for over an hour. How do you remove the pulley from
> > a power steering pump? It's the round 70's type with the hex in the end
> > of the shaft. I've tried it on the truck, off the truck, pipe wrench,
> > 2lb sledge, heat, more heat..... What's the trick here.... take it to
> > the parts house and have them do it.. ;-)
> >
> Parts houses charge up to $10 to do this, I bought a puller set from
> Harbor Freight to remove these for $12. Like typical HF stuff, it
> works OK for occasional use.

AutoZone has a program called Loan-a-Tool. They will sell you a
puller, or most any other specialty tool, and refund your money when you
bring it back. FYI, they also check and charge batteries, alternators,
starters, and ignition modules. No charge.
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Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 10:29:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: rich may
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 18/39 x 16.5 M.T and Weld rims for sale! $2,000 for only $600

I have (4) 18/39 x 16.5 Mickey Thompson Baja Belted
tires and Weld
rims(8 lug) for sale. They are in very good
condition and I am forced
to sell them because Mass. state law doesn't want me
to have fun with
my truck(ie...law=29", my truck=32"). If you want to
see the tires,
they are here

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://auctions.yahoo.com/auction/5524270

If interested, please e-mail
me off list.

Thanks
Rich May

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Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 09:36:40 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - vacuum advance (ignition)

> That's what I figured too. Still it was at a constant 210 degrees or
> something, too hot.


210 is really about right. Good anti-freeze raises the boiling point
up close to 250-260 degrees. Boiling is what causes engine damage, you
get steam in your casting voids, causing rapid expansion, also causing
the exposed surface temperature to rise exponentially. This
thermo-dynamic pressure will distort and crack the metal, or blow a
gasket. Depending on the engine design and condition of the coolant,
230-240 degrees isn't as bad as you would think either.

Robert Shaw thermostats are top quality units, I agree. The most
important thing though is condition of the coolant. Everything from
radiator flow, to the effectiveness of the thermostat to regulate
temperature during warm up, all dove-tails to the bottom line. Coolant
effectivness to prevent boiling or freezing. The change interval is
individually determined by the engine design. Engines with high
aluminum content require more frequent intervals due to the
chemical/electrical reaction of the coolant to the ozidation of the
aluminum. Iron isn't as bad, but scale is the most common problem.
Frequent flushes are needed to keep flow up. The thermostat is a link
in the chain, but overall coolant condition is what will break you.
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Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 09:44:00 -0700
From: Vogt Family
Subject: FTE 61-79 - VERY LARGE Pickup-Style Body

While gathering wood here in the bacwoods mountains of Northern
California (yes California has backwoods and they are not some place you
want to get lost) there is a yard full of old trucks for sale. All are
medium-duty or bigger but one that caught my eye is a pickup style, but
medium duty. It is mid to late 70's I would guess. It has the same cab
you'd expect to see on a dump truck but then almost what I would
describe as a styleside bed that goes straight back from the cab (so
it's wider than a normal bed) and then fender flares just like a
dually. The bed isn't that long, must only be 10 or 12 feet. The
wheels are either 20" or 22.5", 10 hole if I remember quickly. All in
all it just looks like a scaled up pickup. Has anybody ever seen such
an animal? I'd almost like to buy it because it looks like such a
collector's item, not in bad shape.

Birken
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Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 10:15:58 -0700
From: John Kahrs
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 76 F100 questions

I'm new to this list, new to Fords in general. I just picked up a '76 F100, longbed, standard
cab. Nice truck, but beat-up.

Have an engine knock, then looked to discover hydraulic lifters. Other than an exhaust leak,
any ideas of what this could be? Sounds just like a loose valve, but gets more pronounced when
under greater power.

Secondly, the bed is shot. Can I just pop a new one on without messing with the gas tank (I
mean other than the filler neck)?

And lastly, anybody know where I can get something like a button-on vinyl bench seat cover to go
over the old torn-up vinyl? All I can find is the cloth covers, which is fine, but I like
stock.

jk

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Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 12:57:11 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Spending Spree

Yo gang, aren't vacations great? Henry and the dogs had a contest to see who
could spend the most. Although severely out numbered, Henry won with no
problem. The big expense was four P225-70R/15 Goodyear Eagle GT IIs. The
raised white letters look a little odd next to the stock wheel discs, but I
think I will get used to it. :-) Garry, I used my stock wheels and
everything worked great. While the new tires were being installed the
mechanic discovered that the front brakes are worn to the rivets. I picked
up a set of pads and installed those last night. While I had it apart I
packed the front bearings, too. I also purchased a set of locking lug nuts
to protect my new tires.

Earlier in the week I picked up a set of driving lights for $2 at a yard
sale. I hooked them up as day time running lights after mounting them under
the front bumper. I took a feed off of the backup light circuit so that they
turn on and off with the ignition. I am considering moving the ground so
that they will turn off when the head lights come on.

Sparky, I still haven't rewired my tail lights. I'm loooking for the right
divider material. I have about decided to go with a second dual filament
bulb. I picked up some bulb sockets at the bone yard Thursday. I learned two
things about F series tail light assemblies. The 79 is different from the
earlier years. Though outward appearance is the same, the earlier years
(from 74 to ?) have four screws holding on a lense. My 79 has two screws
that hold an integral assembly. Also, I found some chrome that goes around
the van tail lights. It doesn't quite fit my F150 correctly as I had hoped
it would.

Back to more vacation! :-)

- -- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom LWB Regular Cab 351M C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!

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Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 12:41:29 -0600
From: Dick Rohrer
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 76 351W

I am working on a 76 351W that I am sure was put together from
the junk yard before I got it. It has one exhaust manifold
with a 2" discharge and one with 1 3/4" discharge. Is this
normal?
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Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 14:45:56 -0400
From: "George W. Selby, III"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Ignition Timing

Could be your iginition timing is too far advanced, try backing off just a
coule of degrees and see if that makes it cooler. My 400M's timing is
hooked up to manifold vacuum, and it runs just below the middle of the
guage, and it is 100 degrees and 50% humidity here in eastern North
Carolina.

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Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 15:03:28 -0400
From: "George W. Selby, III"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Carb size

I have a 400M with a 600 Edelbrock, and they are good carbs, easy to
rebuild, and no gas leak worries. I am constantly thinking of going to a
750 though. Car Craft did a test recently on a 350, and power went up with
each increase in carb size, with no loss of low end power. Edelbrock carbs
are air flow activated, so if you only need 700 cfm that is all they will
provide.

George Selby
78 F-150 400M, 4 on floor, 4x4
86 Audi 4000CS Quattro
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Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 15:03:45 -0500 (CDT)
From: Bryan C Kirking
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Spending Spree

Vacation? You live in the hill country. Every day is a vacation ;-)

Just a friendly reminder about your driving lights, Texas law has
regulations on the vertical distance from the ground, but I think you said
you put them below or near bumper? so you are probably ok.

Speaking of lights, I was wondering why my pass side headlight stopped
working. There is a bout a 3/16" hole in it. Now how the heck did THAT
happen...



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Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 14:39:40 -0700
From: "J.S.H."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Fuel Pump/Vacum/Carb trailer lights

>Can you put it in series with the existing fuel pump? That would be a
>great idea indeed.

That is the way mine is.I leave the electric turned off except when I
need it(i.e. when aux tank w/o gauge runs out)

> looks like I'm better off changing it back to ported vacuum.
>any thoughts/comments??

Change it ,no harm done.I have ran mine both ways.

>I can get either a 600 cfm or a 750 cfm (both have
>electric choke and are on running motors), which would you recommend >for me?

I vote 600


>I have the factory wiring harness and six plug female outlet on the >truck. I only get brakes and turns in this
>outlet. No running lights. Also the small markers on the truck do not
>light up either.

Do the markers light up with the trailer unplugged? If so it's in the
trailer.If not maybe the plug gets it's power from the markers and they
are unplugged.
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Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 15:46:10 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - vacuum advance (ignition)

It was written:
>210 is really about right. Good anti-freeze raises the boiling point
>up close to 250-260 degrees.

Anti-freeze only raises the boiling point slightly... maybe 10-15
degrees. It's the pressure cap thats mostly responsible for raising
the boiling point.

The vapor point of water increases under pressure as follows:
0 PSIG = 212 F
10 PSIG = 239 F
20 PSIG = 259 F
30 PSIG = 273 F
40 PSIG = 286 F
50 PSIG = 297 F
60 PSIG = 307 F
70 PSIG = 316 F

With a 15 lb pressure cap, the boiling point of water is roughly 250 F.
A 50/50 mix of coolant might raise it to 260-265.

The catch is that ethylene glycol coolant is also a crappy conductor of
heat, and actually reduces the cooling capacity. Pure water is *much*
better at transfering heat than a glycol/water mix.
Anti-freeze only does a small amount to raise the boiling temp and
does a lot to make the cooling system *less* efficient...
If you don't live in an area where the freeze protection is required
than it's best to run just a small amount of anti-freeze to provide
corrosion protection and pump lubrication. Motors with aluminum block
or heads may need a strong coolant mix to prevent serious corrosion
damage, but with good old iron parts only a little bit is neccessary.

Another list member (thanks George) turned me on to a good website that
has some useful info on the subject.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.stewartcomponents.com/tech_info.htm

There are also some decent textbooks around that go into a bit more detail.
Check yer local library...

Steve
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Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 18:40:35 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 428 cam

> >The NHRA 428CJ blueprint hydraulic-lifter cam >442 lbs FT 4000 RPM >407HP 5500 RPM etc..
>
> Had one of these in a 390 years ago myself.I know Ford discontinued
> the CJ cam years ago,but I didn't know there was a aftermarket
> version.Who makes it?
> I was thinking my 428 could use more cam (has RV grind now) and I
> bet the CJ cam would wake it up nicely.
Here's the skinny on these cams and the adj. rockers discussed before.
I don't have the Federal Mogul numbers, but you can just about bet that
they're the same piece, badge engineered as Crane and Lunati. (IMHO)


Part number 10503 is Lunati's version of the C60Z-B 428 CJ 335 & 360 HP
cam.

Part number 20501 is Lunati's version of the 427-425 HP cam.

Part number 344361 (PowerMax F-294) is the Crane Fireball 294.

Part number 34772-16 is the Crane part number for their 427
ductile-iron 1.76 to 1 ratio adjustable rockers.

Part number 84428 is the Harland Sharp part number for their 427 roller
1.76 to 1 ratio adjustable rockers.

Part number 85034 is the Lunati part number for their 427 ductile-iron
1.76 to 1 ratio adjustable rockershaft assembly.

All require each's brand of pushrod.
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Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 20:17:28 EDT
From: FORDTRKNUT aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1977 Crew Cab

I just got back from my ritual "Bone Yarding" and found a 1977ish Crew Cab
for sale. I live in New Jersey and traveled to New York State to a Junkyard.
The name of the yard is called "Spect's Garage" in Warwick, NY. I don't have
the phone number but can get it it you E-mail me privatly. The truck seems
to be a 1977 (early in 77 because of the Ram Type Steering) F-250 4x4. It is
white in color (was repainted....some bondo on cab corners) and has a
1978/1979 Dana 60 Front axel. It has a NP205 "divorced" transfer case and a
4 speed. No air conditioning......has a 6 foot utility box.......and a plow
in the front. The owner of the yard is asking $900.00 for the whole
sha-bang. I asked him about making it cheaper without the plow & utility
box......but he said no. Well.....hope I can help!!! Wayne Grabley
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Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 17:45:49 -0700
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 76 F100

Does it say how many SB Crew Cab F-250's were made in '76?

Rade
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From: Ted Wnorowski
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, July 23, 1999 11:22 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 76 F100


>At 04:09 PM 7/23/99 -0500, you wrote:
>>I have a Ford F-100 (1976) Super Cab. I had never seen one before I
bought
>>this one. Does anyone out there know how many were made that year? I have
>>been watching the roads and have still not seen one.
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> According to the Redbook, there were 8,234 F-100's. 32,992 F-150's. 29,056
>F-250's. 2,589 F-350's.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Ted Wnorowski
> Belelvue,OH
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Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 20:38:02 -0400
From: "Don Haring, Jr."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Electric fuel pump inline w/ mech pump?

Larry Schmiedekamp said:
> I don't think the series thing would work. I believe the gas could
> be pulled through the electric pump by the existing fuel pump.

>Bas van der Veer said:
>> Can you put [electric fuel pump] in series with the existing
>> fuel pump? That would be a great idea indeed.


Yes, you can run two pumps in series. I have not done it, but it is a trick
that people who use old cars as daily drivers use if they want to keep the
stock look of the engine compartment (and stock diapragm fuel pump).

The electric pump is primarily used to prime the carb after the vehicle has
been sitting. As you know, a car with an electric pump generally starts
much faster than one with a mechanical pump. The electric pump can be
mounted hidden near the rear so you can't see it without climbing
underneath. If the electric pump is only used to prime, it can be turned on
an off with a hidden toggle switch.

Fuel can move through both mechanical and electric pumps even if they are
shut off, so if one of the pumps is on, it will push or pull fuel through
without interfering with the other pump.

- -don

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Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 22:32:07 EDT
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - VERY LARGE Pickup-Style Body

In a message dated 7/24/99 12:45:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, vogt oro.net
writes:


an animal? I'd almost like to buy it because it looks like such a
collector's item, not in bad shape.
>>

No but can we? A picture would be worth a thousand words.


Stock Man
1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible (HELP!---I need 15 x5 factory rims)
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
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Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 20:15:37 -0500
From: "Brett L. Habben"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: How many '76 F100 Supercabs

Dave,
My "Standard Catalog of American Light Duty Trucks" does not break
Supercabs out separately from the 225,154 F100's produced in 1976. '75
Supercabs are listed at 16,792 produced out of a total of 228,054 F100's.
The book sites June 1974 as being the introduction date for the
Supercab.
Here in central Texas 70's Supercabs are still work trucks and I see a
few in traffic every commute.
Brett
Super75cab

>I have a Ford F-100 (1976) Super Cab. I had never seen one before I
bought
>this one. Does anyone out there know how many were made that year? I
have
>been watching the roads and have still not seen one.
>David
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Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 23:03:31 -0500
From: "Brett L. Habben"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 240-300's: Where?

Dave,
Does the HD300 block casting look any different externally? I thought I
saw a previous posting mentioning this.
>Have you checked the bone yards in S.A.??
Not recently, but I used to live in SA and have had some *interesting*
experiences south. But busted crank means no truck, so I'm at the mercy
of my buddies to take their truck. At some point I need to go
junkyardin' in SA and Seguin for some odds and ends.
>you get the pleasure of traveling through or near God's Country,
>College Station, TX. A veritable paradise on earth!! ;^)
_
_| ~~. David Henderson
\, _} DHenders VT.Edu
\( Gig 'em Aggies! '93

Better get back soon before 'paradise' is paved over! I think I see the
blacktop crews heading that way carrying an 'Austin City Limits' sign...
Adios Amigo!
Brett
Super75cab
PS. They got any decent enchilada's in Virginia?

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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 01:55:03 -0400
From: Ted Wnorowski
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 76 F100

At 05:45 PM 7/24/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Does it say how many SB Crew Cab F-250's were made in '76?
>
>
> > According to the Redbook, there were 8,234 F-100's. 32,992 F-150's. 29,056
> >F-250's. 2,589 F-350's.
> >
> > Hope this helps,
> > Ted Wnorowski
> > Belelvue,OH
> >
No, just the total production of F-250's.
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 02:43:20 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: How many '76 F100 Supercabs

In a message dated 7/24/99 9:08:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bhabben juno.com
writes:


Supercabs out separately from the 225,154 F100's produced in 1976. >>

Any chance this book has a # of 74 F-350 SRW Stylesides produced?

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 01:14:06 PDT
From: "Dave Walbeck"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Overheating 351C

Hey all, Haven't posted in a while. Got an overheating problem. I remember a
big discussion on this quite some time back. I recently put a 351C engine
from a 1970 Cougar into a 78 F150 Pickup for a customer.
The thing was used and I put a lot of new parts in it for him. oil pump,
waterpump, timing chain, A/C, etc. Well the thing runs awesome.
As long as it just sits at an Idle it never gets hot. You can run the A/C at
full blast and it stays right around 195/200 degrees.
As soon as you rev up the motor to a fast idle and hold it there or run it....

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