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From: owner-61-79-list-digest  ford-trucks.com (61-79-list-digest) To: 61-79-list-digest ford-trucks.com Subject: 61-79-list-digest V3 #256 Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com Sender: owner-61-79-list-digest ford-trucks.com Errors-To: owner-61-79-list-digest ford-trucks.com Precedence: bulk 61-79-list-digest Friday, July 23 1999 Volume 03 : Number 256 ======================================================================= Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961-1979 Trucks and Vans Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, send email to: majordomo ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list-digest" in the body of the message. ======================================================================= In this issue: Re: FTE 61-79 - Bed liners and dash covers FTE 61-79 - Shipping Advice Re: FTE 61-79 - Shipping Advice Re: FTE 61-79 - cams for 390 FTE 61-79 - horsepower #'s Re: FTE 61-79 - horsepower #'s FTE 61-79 - Dist caps Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Exhaust FTE 61-79 - Filtering the gas Re: FTE 61-79 - Shipping Advice Re: FTE 61-79 - RE - anybody have an idea, polishing aluminum FTE 61-79 - Re: Extraordinary Ford Trucks Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: 534 engine Re: FTE 61-79 - emissions Re: FTE 61-79 - Help with Guages Re: FTE 61-79 - Looking at 74 Bronco Needs Help Re: FTE 61-79 - exhuast for a 352 RE: FTE 61-79 - emissions FTE 61-79 - It's been awhile???????? Re: FTE 61-79 - It's been awhile???????? FTE 61-79 - RE: Radio whine FTE 61-79 - RE: Axle ratio differences Re: FTE 61-79 - Dist caps FTE 61-79 - Growing Up Re: FTE 61-79 - New truck Re: FTE 61-79 - New truck FTE 61-79 - 240/300 Preferences FTE 61-79 - 352 Engine FTE 61-79 - 390 Cams FTE 61-79 - Dashes Re: FTE 61-79 - Bed liners and dash covers Re: FTE 61-79 - horsepower #'s Re: FTE 61-79 - Growing Up Re: FTE 61-79 - Bed liners and dash covers FTE 61-79 - OH MY WOUNDED PRIDE! Re: FTE 61-79 - OH MY WOUNDED PRIDE! FTE 61-79 - More 240-300 questions FTE 61-79 - Extraordinary Ford Trucks FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: New Ford Superduty Trucks Re: FTE 61-79 - Shipping Advice Re: FTE 61-79 - Shipping Advice FTE 61-79 - Power steering pump pully Re: FTE 61-79 - Whine in radio Re: FTE 61-79 - horsepower #'s Re: FTE 61-79 - Power steering pump pully Re: FTE 61-79 - emissions FTE 61-79 - e4od ======================================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 07:08:29 -0500 From: "John R. Austin" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Bed liners and dash covers Accu-Form Molded Dash Cap - JCWhitney- $80-$120 - ----- Original Message ----- From: O'Connor To: Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 10:56 PM Subject: FTE 61-79 - Bed liners and dash covers > Brent, > Where can you get a dash cover for $260? The ones I've seen are $400! > > Tim 66F100, SWB, 352, Custom Cab, Power Steering and Manual O/D > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 09:01:59 EDT From: TBeeee aol.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Shipping Advice Does anyone have experience shipping tires and rims? I have (5) cool 17" F-250 rims with tires mounted (Thanks again Steve!) that must be shipped from Santa Cruz, CA to New York. Any advice will be most appreciated. Stock Man 1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible (in need of factory rims) 1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.hometown.aol.com/tbeeee == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 09:06:41 -0400 From: Joe & Jen DeLaurentis Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Shipping Advice One thing is leave the air out!!!Dont pay shiping on air in the tires...You also might want to un mount the tires UPS will ship tires unwrapped with just a label on them and box the rims.. Joe TBeeee aol.com wrote: > Does anyone have experience shipping tires and rims? I have (5) cool 17" > F-250 rims with tires mounted (Thanks again Steve!) that must be shipped from > Santa Cruz, CA to New York. Any advice will be most appreciated. > > Stock Man > 1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible (in need of factory rims) > 1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.hometown.aol.com/tbeeee > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 08:17:44 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - cams for 390 > hello i am new to the list and would like some suggestions on a cam for >the > 390 i am rebuilding. > i am going to put it into a 69 f250 2wd only for fun no towing or hauling. > i have headers, ported heads, balanced, and oversize valves about like a > 428 cobra jet head. between 9.5 and 10 to 1 compression. > my machinist recomended a crane maximum velocity 272 duration cam. i want > to hear what everyone else has to say about cams. The crane 272 cam should be a good one, I've got a "melling equivalent" ... my advice to everyone trying to pick a cam, listen to the machinist, if you don't trust him you don't want him building your motor anyway. Watch the compression ratio though, that sounds good til you try and feed it and realize you can't dial in all the timing you want/need... mine's on the high side of 9.5 and I'm gonna have to back my timing off a bit more yet to get up hills at highway speeds ... also remember headers do wonders for these motors, if you're putting the cam in, make sure you can get the air out. .... and in for that matter... if you want to read about the stuff I've done to mine, check out http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ranger3.cc.iastate.edu/rebuild.html Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 09:18:25 -0400 (EDT) From: rich may Subject: FTE 61-79 - horsepower #'s I was wondering if there was any way that somebody out there could find the factory numbers(hp,trq) for a 1968 Mustang with a 390GT. Thanks Rich May _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 09:29:17 EDT From: TBeeee aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - horsepower #'s In a message dated 7/22/99 9:20:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, doom460 yahoo.com writes: > I was wondering if there was any way that somebody out there could find > the factory numbers(hp,trq) for a 1968 Mustang with a 390GT. Two great sites for Ford Cars are as follows: Fomoco Obsolete : www. Fomoco.com (Go to the Engine Text book-- link is in the left frame) Ford V-8 Engine Workshop: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.wrljet.com/engines/specs.html Chock full of great engine (and other valuable) info. Hope these help. Stock Man 1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible (in need of factory rims) 1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.hometown.aol.com/tbeeee == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 09:44:46 -0400 From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Dist caps Bill writes: >>Has anyone tried to use the upper part of a 302 Duraspark distributor on a lower part 352 FT distributor ???.... came to think of that today... the 302 Duraspark dist. would be so much easier to find around everywhere. In other words, take the pickup and plate from the 302, and also the upper shaft part. The part that turns when the centrifugal system advance the timing. Was I silly now ????????... have never compared them... I personally haven't done this, but I'm led to believe that all the early V8 Fords use the same diameter base, so it should work. I've seen some discussion on this list previously about this, but can't remember it. Azie Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 06:56:31 -0700 From: "James A. Doty" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Exhaust >This is a good opportunity to say that after living with the Flowmaster >for a while, I am not sure I made the right decision. It is really loud >at idle and quiets down at speed. I pulled over one day to talk to my >neighbor who was in his front yard and had to shut it off because it was >so loud I couldn't hear him talk. The sound it makes at speed is pretty >tinny. Mufflers like Super Turbos would have a lower rumble at speed >and quieter idle. > >Bottom line is, I am happy with the way it sounds from inside the truck, >but if you care what it sounds like to other people I would consider >something else. Hi Mark: I've got the same basic setup. Two 2.5" in, one 3" out Flowmaster, but as you heard it isn't that loud. I wonder if it's because of the size of the engine? I have the 351w which is a small block. I do have an exhaust leak that needs fixin' though. Probably take care of it sometime this summer. ========================= James A. Doty Technology Aide Woodland School District dotyj earthlink.net www.moselle.com/~jamesd == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:03:30 -0400 From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Filtering the gas Mike writes: >> I also had some trouble with my 1978 F100 with corrosion from the tank plugging the tiny little filter on the carb. It had been sitting for about 2 or 3 years and had no gas in the tank the whole time. I replaced the filter twice before I bought a spin on water separating filter kit from the Mercruiser dealer that I worked for. Now I just dump it out at least once a year and if it is rusty just replace the filter. The initial cost is around 25 bucks but I have never had any trouble with it. One important thing is to place it somewhere cool. I have heard of people putting them in the engine compartment and having trouble with vapor lock after that. I placed mine on the frame just below where the bed and cab meet. Just make sure you mount the assembly up high enough that you don't tear it off on a rock. A great idea. Thanks, Mike. This is one of the many things I've personally had trouble with on some of my conversions.. This idea along with some others about how to "treat" the inside of a gas tank that hasn't been used in quite a while should save me some problems in the future. Good ole Marine stuff. Azie Ardmore, Al. ' == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 08:03:44 -0700 From: "Danger" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Shipping Advice Joe wrote... > One thing is leave the air out!!!Dont pay > shiping on air in the tires...You also > might want to un mount the tires UPS will ship > tires unwrapped with just a label on > them and box the rims ............... Hmmm,..... I wonder what effect Helium would have on shipping cost?.... Hehe "Wow,.. these big tires sure are light" says the clerk as he weights all items to be shipped. Danger == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 09:07:14 -0500 From: "Corey Johnson" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE - anybody have an idea, polishing aluminum I myself and most of my biker friends use Muthers Polish... works great on chrome and aluminum. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 11:15:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Lee Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Extraordinary Ford Trucks I park my '53 at the train station. I park close to the road and I take my AM/FM/CD faceplate with me. I would give a thief the radio to leave the rest alone, but the damage that is done could be $$$$$. I also disable my electric fuel pump(remove the fuse), if someone hotwires it, it will start. They will be able to drive it for about 1 minute on the gas in the float bowl. Then it will stall in a highly visible location(middle of highway). Hopefully at that time the thief will panic and leave it, where it can be recovered. Dan Lee '53 F100 351C-4V >I leave my bronco at the train station every day, it >is a huge parkinglot and most people park near the >tracks - where there is nobody around and they can >hide inbetween the cars. For that reason I always >park in the open, next to the (busy) road. I am >hoping they won't touch it there because there are >people driving by and the police patrols too now and >then. They actually apprehended me once because they >thought I was stealing my own vehicle :) >I suppose there are some things you can do to >immobilise your vehicle easily, like taking the coil >wire with you or disconnecting the transmission >shifter linkage. Maybe even put a clip on the fuel >line.But none of those really classify for something >you'd do all the time. If I ever buy a new ignition >system, maybe I should get one with anti-theft >facilities. Of course all this doesn't keep them from >stealing stuffout or off of it. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:04:40 -0700 From: Bas van der Veer Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: 534 engine >>Geeze, that's in the ballpark of what my 351 generates. I thought a 534 >>would be a 400-500hp monster. >Uhm ... ever seen the torque on these beasts ? Its a touch over what your >351 generates ... depending on the type of application of the equipment it >is rated MUCH different also. Tractors are rated by their sustainable >horsepower ... that is the motor must be able to maintain this hp for a >certain period of time (like 8 hours or something) ... its kind of a >different can of worms than the peak that your 351 advertises and MIGHT hit >occasionally. Well.. If you get a higher gear ratio you can MAKE high torque, right? And if it gets proper cooling etc, it should be able to work hard continuously. It's just that maybe it does not take as much abuse. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 17:37:35 -0700 From: Bas van der Veer Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - emissions >>All this talk about vehicle emissions got me thinking. Do we really need >>those stupid rules? I'd rather live in smog and die young than to give up my >>big ol' V8. I want to enjoy my life. Don't wanna live like a cactus. > >But a cactus would like to be able to live like a cactus... Dunno.. I never argue with them because then they sting. That's about all the excitement they get. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 18:46:57 -0700 From: Bas van der Veer Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Help with Guages >I've got a 71 F100 with a full set of guages. All of my guages read >low. By that I mean, the alternator needle barely swings when the >headlights are turned on with the ignition is turned off or the turn >signals activated, the temp guage doesn't reach the operating range and >the electric oil pressure guage reads on the low side of the operating >range. The water temp, oil pressure, and fuel gauge are fed from the voltage regulator. The current then goes through the gauge and to the sensor. The sensor is grounded wherever it is screwed in. So you should observe that the voltage regulator is grounded somewhere different than the sensors. The regulator has a little heater element that disengages as it heats up, then engages as it cools down, etc. Same as for the signals. Very simple, not necessarily durable. I myself went through two of them in less then a year. So yeah, that could be your problem. But the charge/discharge meter is usually separate, it is an isolated wire curled around one of the main battery cables. The meter measures the induced voltage by the large current. You can adjust the meter by changing the number of windings. Mine actually is not connected at all. >I have a hunch the problem may be in the cluster voltage regulator. >Does anyone have any experience with this type of situation and a >possible solution? Does anyone know the part # for the voltage >regulator? That should be easy to find out from a ford dealer. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 18:31:10 -0700 From: Bas van der Veer Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Looking at 74 Bronco Needs Help >I am looking at a 74 Bronco with and Auto/302 and power steering, its >only down side >is the heavy rust in the drivers side rocker and floor...Is this a truck >to fix or stay away???I know the auto/ power steering is worth the $1000 >there asking.. >Like to here from you Take it, early bronco's are well built and easy to work on (easy emissions too). The body is not as good in the sense that it has some spots like the wheel wells which are completely "open", they have no plastic protective slab like most vehicles do. This is why they rust so bad. Still the frame and driveline are very good, the '74 has the bigger brake drums and the dana 44, right? A friend of mine has a '69 which had the 3-spd standard and no power steering or brakes. When he hits a rock with four wheeling his steering wheel turns into a helicoper so be glad you'll have the power steering :) He also put a e4od in it with a programmable computer. He can program all his shift points and has LEDs on his dash which indicate the current gear and when it's going to shift etc. It's really cool to look at in such an old vehicle :) He had rust problems too and basically what he needed for the bodywork was an arsenal of ballistic tools (super duty impact wrenches, torches, saws). I helped him install his body lift which sure was an interesting project. They're great vehicles and they are becoming collector's items. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 17:57:14 -0700 From: Bas van der Veer Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - exhuast for a 352 > >torque, and 30-40 HP or thereabouts) is worth the hassle. I've got >them on my '65, and you have to drop the right one to change starters. >FE's really like headers though, you can't believe the difference. How would this work out for a 351M? I was thinking of getting headers at some point, but I want to retain the accessibility I have right now. Of course with anything you add, there will be less working space.. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 17:53:15 -0700 From: Bas van der Veer Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - emissions At 08:08 PM 7/19/99 -0700, you wrote: >I hear Eastern Europe is nice this time of year... Yeah they used to have these cars called "trabant", they have 2-cyl 2-stroke engines that use a 1:25 oil/gas mixture and get maybe 15-20mpg. I heard they were working on 2-stroke engines with a crankcase, with a supercharger and direct injection. In the 20s-30's they made ship diesels like this, since you are "flushing" the cylinder with clean air you can flush all you want and not spray out half of your gasoline. Also you can pre-compress the air. FTE content: If I ever win the lottery I'll take a 460 (or a 534 ), put a custom made cam in it that operates the valves in 2-stroke fashion, make the distributor run at double speed(install super high energy coil) and replace the spark plugs with injectors. You'd get double power without the added stress on your engine, you still have low compression -> low emissions. But of course you'd fail visual == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 12:38:48 -0400 From: "Mike & Carrie Elmer" Subject: FTE 61-79 - It's been awhile???????? Hey All,It seems like I've been off this list way to long.Anyway I've had alot done to the ' 69 360FE in the time I've missed out on the exemplary knowledge of every body,I had the oil pump changed to a HV pump,added headders,timing chain and gears,water pump fr. and rear seals,4V carb and manifold and the C-6 rebuilt,my problem is after I've gone 25 or 30 miles in one shot w/I stop the oil pressure drops no change in the sound or way it runs,like it did before I replaced the pump,my mechinic suggetsted either a new sending unit or a mech.guage.We checked the compression and it's where is should be,they checked the crank berrings w/the pan was off.What do I do?As always thanks up front and I've missed you all. Mikey == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 12:02:40 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - It's been awhile???????? >manifold and the C-6 rebuilt,my problem is after I've gone 25 or 30 miles in >one shot w/I stop the oil pressure drops no change in the sound or way it >runs,like it did before I replaced the pump,my mechinic suggetsted either a >new sending unit or a mech.guage.We checked the compression and it's where >is should be,they checked the crank berrings w/the pan was off.What do I >do?As always thanks up front and I've missed you all. Mikey Does it come back up to normal when you step on the gas ? If so, then this is just a function of lower revs. My 82 GT used to do this when idling for long periods, but touch the gas and it shot back to the high side ... my truck was the same way on its 360 right before I pulled it .. its just a function of the pump not running fast enough to keep everything under pressure when the oil is warm and thin ... what weight of oil are you running ?... an HV pump should've helped some, but might not have cured it (obviously since you still have the "problem" ... Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:41:55 -0400 From: "George W. Selby, III" Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Radio whine Ground loop. While your description is correct, there are many more pages in the story of correcting the ground loop problem. After much experience with car stereos I feel that most ground loops are caused by equipment with poor internal grounds. When diagnosing ground loop noise, I find almost invariably that the removal of one piece of equipment will result in the total absence of noise. With me this piece has been 3 equalizers, 1 head unit,1 crossover, and 2 amps. The base system is a head unit, eq, crossover, and 3 amps, for a total of about 500 watts. I have given up on the eqs, they all made noise (different brands). The equipment has been both cheap and expensive, so you can't go by price alone. Sometimes the Radio Shack ground loop isolators work, sometimes will result in the loss of one channel of sound. If you have no signal processors/amps, grounding the head unit to the battery directly with a 8 gauge wire will do wonders. In fact grounding everything to one point, and then grounding that point directly to the battery with a large gauge cable also works pretty good. For desperate measures, you can ground the outer jackets of the RCA cables to each other and to ground (unless you have balanced outputs.) If all this doesn't work, replace that piece of bad equipment. George Selby 78 F-150 400M, 4 on floor, 4x4 86 Audi 4000CS Quattro IsuzuG prodigy.net == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:21:46 -0400 From: "George W. Selby, III" Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Axle ratio differences No more than 2%, IMHO. If you run in 4wd (part time) with your current setup then you willl break something on dry pavement, or handle funny off road; if you have a full time system, you are cuasing needless wear on the differnetial. Right now, it takes 4.1 engine revs to turn one axle, and 3.23 to turn the other, this is uneven and will cause problems (unless you never use 4wd. An acceptable ratio to use with the 3.23 would be between 3.21 and 3.25. George Selby 78 F-150 400M, 4 on floor, 4x4 86 Audi 4000CS Quattro IsuzuG prodigy.net == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 16:54:41 +0200 From: "Bill Brox" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dist caps Just that finding an FE / FT engine distr. from the last years with Duraspark in Norway would be like finding the needle in the haystack. Bill > > I personally haven't done this, but I'm led to believe that all the early V8 > Fords use the same diameter base, so it should work. I've seen some discussion > on this list previously about this, but can't remember it. > > Azie > Ardmore, Al. > > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 15:19:06 -0500 From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger) Subject: FTE 61-79 - Growing Up > > Azie writes: > >Just kidding you Bas, but not about the growing up and > >looking at the rear end of a mule. > > you grew up ? what was wrong with you ? I thought you still played with > trucks like the rest of us, but I guess you've had to start "working" on > them now huh ? :) My wife doesn't understand why I get such a kick out of that old '65 F250 4X4 of mine. I can't really use it for my 70 mile a day commute, and "it's so g*dd*mn crude to ride in."(her exact words, reminds her of riding in her dad's grain truck) She doesn't understand why when I get $50.00 ahead, I spend it on "that truck." Or why I'm buying up parts to build my 390, the engine runs well enough to spin the tires free of most any mud hole. (son says so anyway) and it doesn't leak much. Why? I'm a child. It's a toy. I polish, paint, abuse, and fix my toy. It's fun. I have an '83 Bu*ck LeS*bre (a real turd) with no hubcaps or headliner to drive 70 miles a day at 80 mph. It was free, I got it running and I'm not even going to wash it. It's a shovel, and being a child, I leave tools out in the rain.(except my pretty Snap-On Tools, more toys you know) If I get sick enough of it I might put a brick on the accellerator and turn it loose on the levee road. Or set it on fire. Who cares, it's an ugly car that should never have been built, and I could care less about it. She thinks I need a new car to drive to work, but I don't Why spend $15-$20,000 on a shiny new shovel. I can't leave it out in the rain... I refuse to grow up. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:18:47 -0700 From: MC Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - New truck William S Hart wrote: > > Congratluations on the new truck, it sounds like a pretty cool one ( I know > I'm jealous! ) I would bet that most of that stuff is stock, nothing > sounds too far out of line to me anyway That's what I figured, but after not having any of that on my '70, it is just so exciting! :) > ... also with the 360 (for it to be > stock with a 4x4 it has to be a 360) you have the only year they put in > elec. ignition ... The VIN decoder says the same thing as you did....but the p.o. said he thought it was a 390, so maybe it has been rebuilt? I guess I'll have to do the ol' dowel in the spark plug hole trick. The engine on my new truck has coolant lines routed through the intake manifold. Is this normal? The 390 on my '70 doesn't have this, but it is an Edelbrock intake. If I get rid of one of the trucks should I put the intake with the coolant lines in the truck I keep? - -- Matt Cozad When everything's coming your way, you're in the wrong lane. [||||||]=[|00|]=(|¯_¯_¯_¯_¯_¯_¯_¯_¯_¯_¯_¯_¯_¯_¯_¯_¯_¯_¯_¯_) == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 15:23:40 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - New truck >> ... also with the 360 (for it to be >> stock with a 4x4 it has to be a 360) you have the only year they put in >> elec. ignition ... > >The VIN decoder says the same thing as you did....but the p.o. said he thought >it was a 390, so maybe it has been rebuilt? I guess I'll have to do the ol' >dowel in the spark plug hole trick. > If you're sure its original, then its likely a 360, but you're always welcome to check. Unless you're buying something that gets sized based on the motor (like a radiator) it won't matter, even then, likely you'd rather have the 390 piece anyway as it was designed to handle more power :) >The engine on my new truck has coolant lines routed through the intake >manifold. Is this normal? The 390 on my '70 doesn't have this, but it is an >Edelbrock intake. If I get rid of one of the trucks should I put the intake >with the coolant lines in the truck I keep? > My 2V didn't, but the 4V I got off of an old Galaxie does. I don't think a 2V was available with the coolant lines (can't guarantee it, just never heard/seen it), but the 4V's obviously were. If you've got an edelbrock intake, then likely they just went to the salvage yard and grabbed a 4V spacer off of whatever was closest to the door ... whether you run with it or not is up to you, I just switched mine over to run with it and haven't had it in long enough to tell if its made a difference for the better or worse at all yet. Good luck with the truck, I'm sure you'll have loads of fun with it. Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 15:35:58 -0500 From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger) Subject: FTE 61-79 - 240/300 Preferences > I personally do not have experience with the K-B Silv-O-Lite pistons, so I do > not really feel confident in specifying a specific piston for you. I put > Badger pistons in mine since that was what came with my engine rebuild kit. So > far I really like them and the truck has plenty of power. Just do what you > like! (besides, if you choose something different from either Tony M or myself, > you're only adding to the knowledge base for these engines). Badger pistons, Hastings rings, Michigan (Clevite)bearings, and Fel-Pro gaskets are a good, high quality combination for anything short of all out racing. You can spend more money for exotic stuff in your shortblock, but I don't think you gain much unless you spend alot more money and use it for what it's built for. You can get it all at AutoZone too, none of that mail order garbage to deal with(and it keeps me in a job, Mr. 70 hour a week Assistant Manager, hehehe! "would you like some hand cleaner and shop towels with that sir?") All joking aside, these brands are good quality and will give excellent service as long as the machine work and assembly is up to par. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 18:10:36 -0700 From: "O'Connor" Subject: FTE 61-79 - 352 Engine Corey, I'm in Whispering Pines NC Tim 66F100, SWB, 352, Custom Cab, Power Steering and Manual O/D == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 18:45:41 -0500 From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger) Subject: FTE 61-79 - 390 Cams > hello i am new to the list and would like some suggestions on a cam for > the > 390 i am rebuilding. > i am going to put it into a 69 f250 2wd only for fun no towing or hauling. > i have headers, ported heads, balanced, and oversize valves about like a > 428 cobra jet head. between 9.5 and 10 to 1 compression. > my machinist recomended a crane maximum velocity 272 duration cam. i want > to hear what everyone else has to say about cams. > thanks jake You have to be careful with that much compression, not to go too short with the cam. A 272d cam would be allright torque wise, but pinging will be a problem if you plan to time it where the power is. I prefer mechanical cams myself. Federal Mogul, Crane and Lunati all have 1.76 adj. rocker arms available now. A 20501 Lunati 427-425 HP blueprint cam would be strong, and still make pretty good low end, and real strong mid-range. Idle is a little lopey, and very sweet. Specs are :245° 245° .050 324° 324° ADV INT .524" EXH .524" LCA 114° 12.5° BTC 52.5° ABC 60.5° BBC 4.5° ATC 459 lbs.FT 4000 RPM 424HP 5500 RPM (still makes 413 lbs ft 2000 rpms) This is one stout cam, look at the simulation engine specs below. It's pretty stock with 10 to 1 CR. This is an old Saturday-night special circle-track favorite, strong off the corners. It isn't using a high dollar set of heads, either. - ---------------- A Crane Fireball 294 mechanical-lifter cam is extremely strong in the low and mid range and idles alot smoother. Specs are: 227 227 .050 294 294 ADV INT .523 EXH .523 LCA 114 4 43 52.5 -5 481 lbs.FT 3500 RPM 392HP 5000 RPM (I'm concerned with a encountering little ping on this one, you could lose a little bit if you can't get the timing in it) - ---------------- The NHRA 428CJ blueprint hydraulic-lifter cam is : 224 232 304 324 .481 .490 114 LCA 0 44 52 0 442 lbs FT 4000 RPM 407HP 5500 RPM And you have to hear the idle on this one, SWEET. I knew two different guys in back in high school who had this cam in their Stangs. In a 390 it sounds TOUGH. Simulations run on Desktop Dyno 2.57 .030 over 390 395 ci 10.0 to 1 CR 2.03 1.56 valves Small-Block Pocket Porting Stock Valves 700cfm Dual Plane Small tube headers open exhaust Bigger valves, and ported heads will increase power a little bit. - ------------ I'm leaning toward the 294, but I would like any of them. Mechanical cams yield more torque as you can see. The cool thing about the CJ cam and the 425 HP numbers is that they are Ford cams, you can say "oh it's a stock cam" to any one who asks. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 19:55:41 EDT From: JUMPINFORD aol.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Dashes After receiving a few inquiries about the LOW price my dad paid for his Dash to be recovered, I figured Id just post directly to the list. The name of the company is Discount Upholstery. They are located right here in Las Vegas. Phone # is 1-702-648-7283. This was some time ago when he had this done, so the $40 might have gone up. Even so It cant have gone up too much. I understand a lot of his pricing depends on how busy he is at the time. Good luck. I know I'll be callin him in the next few weeks. Darrell Duggan 74 F-350 "Tweety" == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 19:52:48 -0400 From: Brent Cole Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Bed liners and dash covers LMC Truck has them for $289.95 and the covers for $79.95. Their web site is www.lmctruck.com and from there you can order their free catalog. They have all the bits and pieces that are sometimes hard to find. But JUMPINFORD said something about "recovering" the dash pad?? Is that gluing the plactic cover over the old cracked pad or is that something else? Brent - -----Original Message----- From: O'Connor To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com Date: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 8:58 PM Subject: FTE 61-79 - Bed liners and dash covers >Brent, >Where can you get a dash cover for $260? The ones I've seen are $400! > >Tim 66F100, SWB, 352, Custom Cab, Power Steering and Manual O/D >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 19:01:09 -0500 From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - horsepower #'s rich may wrote: > > I was wondering if there was any way that somebody out there could find > the factory numbers(hp,trq) for a 1968 Mustang with a 390GT. > > Thanks > > Rich May Try about 312 horsepower at 3,400 rpm and 427 foot pounds of torque at 3,200 rpm. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 20:08:19 EDT From: JUMPINFORD aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Growing Up Well said. Darrell Duggan 74 F-350 "Tweety" == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 20:12:45 EDT From: JUMPINFORD aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Bed liners and dash covers In a message dated 7/22/99 5:05:35 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ColeJB ftc-i.net writes: said something about "recovering" the dash pad?? Is that gluing the plactic cover over the old cracked pad or is that something else? >> This is a complete redo of the pad matierial. It does have visible seams, where the cloth was sewn together, but they put the seams along the corners of the dash so it looks good. I was very happy with the job they did on my dads. Im gonna try and take a pic, and make it available for download. If I can, I'll let ya know. Darrell Duggan 74 F-350 "Tweety" == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 20:23:16 EDT From: Bad4dFilly aol.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - OH MY WOUNDED PRIDE! Hey y'all *sigh* today wasn't a good day! Lately I've been having a problem with my truck stallin out. Well today I was racing my friend home Chevy> Then while goin up the hill he passes me just as my truck stalls out! Worst part of the whole thing was for some strange act of God he circles and see's me sittin on the side of the road so the nice guy he is he points and honks and laughs! God was lookin down opn me cuz my baby started up and got me home before he could catch up to "rescue me." Just for the record I'd rather walk barefoot in the sahara then give him the satisfaction of rescuing me and my Ford! Just thought I'd share my lil story for the day! Bye y'all! *~*~Lisa and Envy~*~* *~*~Silly boys....trucks are for GIRLS! ~*~* == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 19:29:27 -0500 From: "Larry Brown" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - OH MY WOUNDED PRIDE! If I remember right, you said in one of your last posts that your dad found that your carb was running out of fuel. I had a similar problem with a '71 F100 with a 360 cid in it, what I found was that the rubber fuel line down by the fuel pump had gotten soft and would sometimes collapse on me. I replaced the fuel line and installed a new vented fuel cap and cured the problem. I hope this helps, it worked for me. Freewheelin' in LA Larry - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, July 22, 1999 7:23 PM Subject: FTE 61-79 - OH MY WOUNDED PRIDE! > Hey y'all *sigh* today wasn't a good day! Lately I've been having a problem > with my truck stallin out. Well today I was racing my friend home > Chevy> Then while goin up the hill he passes me just as my truck stalls out! > Worst part of the whole thing was for some strange act of God he circles and > see's me sittin on the side of the road so the nice > guy he is he points and honks and laughs! God was lookin down opn me cuz my > baby started up and got me home before he could catch up to "rescue me." Just > for the record I'd rather walk barefoot in the sahara then give him the > satisfaction of rescuing me and my Ford! Just thought I'd share my lil story > for the day! Bye y'all! > > *~*~Lisa and Envy~*~* > *~*~Silly boys....trucks are for GIRLS! ~*~* > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 19:50:00 -0500 From: "Brett L. Habben" Subject: FTE 61-79 - More 240-300 questions Dave, One other odd thing I noticed off Silv-o-lite's Web page; 240 piston compression heights 1.577"-1.585" while 300 piston compression heights 1.740"-1.780" (taller!). Henry changed the pistons AND the rods? Well, you know how it goes, you can never find a deal on something when you need one. Last week I called on a 300 in the paper and the guy said he must have gotten 200 phone calls for it. He's the one who suggested looking into a 240 since apparently there's a shortage of servicable 300's here. The double whammy of Austin's building boom and the Mexican's buying up all the serviceable trucks and parts and shipping 'em south of the border has driven up commercial vehicles and used parts. All the yards want $550 on up for a runner longblock (if they have one). I figured it was worth looking into the clean $200 complete '69 240. But, it isn't cost effective to convert it. I also called on a complete 300/T18 $300 rebuilder combo from a '74 F250, but it's in Longview, 4 hours away. Would that be the Heavy Duty 300? How do you tell? Thanks Folks for the education! Brett Super75cab >If you're going to spend the money on a good 300 steel heavy duty crank and a >good 300 head, you might be better off finding a donor 300 that came out of one >of the heavy duty trucks (F and E series 250-350). Dave H ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 21:49:10 +0000 From: "James Holland" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Extraordinary Ford Trucks >I leave my bronco at the train station every day, it is a huge parking lot >and most people park near the tracks - where there is nobody around and >they can hide inbetween the cars. For that reason I always park in the >open, next to the (busy) road. I am hoping they won't touch it there >because there are people driving by and the police patrols too now and >then. They actually apprehended me once because they thought I was >stealing my own vehicle :) > >I suppose there are some things you can do to immobilise your vehicle >easily, like taking the coil wire with you or disconnecting the >transmission shifter linkage. Maybe even put a clip on the fuel line. But >none of those really classify for something you'd do all the time. If I >ever buy a new ignition system, maybe I should get one with anti-theft >facilities. Of course all this doesn't keep them from stealing stuff out >or off of it. > >The world would be so much better if people had some respect for others >and their property. > >Bas. I kinda stumbled onto a great anti-theft device. When I got my 67 F100, I was just getting rid of my 83 Mustang minus a few parts. I took the Holley electric fuel pump (which was given to me) and mounted it under the driver door (on the I-beam). I was in a hurry and didn't have time to trace down the wiring to wire it up so I just hooked it into a toggle switch (now hidden). Whenever I go somewhere I just flip the toggle and.......no fuel. It might start but it'll be dead by the time it gets rolling. I know because I've forgotten about it myself a few times. Not a bad idea for less than $5. - - Brian == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 22:21:52 -0400 From: Ken Payne Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: New Ford Superduty Trucks Dear Ford Truck Enthusiasts list members: Those of you who have been here a while know the drill. :-O We have a new advertiser on our web site. Since the beginning, our practice with web site advertisers has been to make a brief announcement for 2 days (this is day 1 of 2). This is our only exception to commercial advertising on our mailing lists. Please show your appreciation to them for helping to support the web site and the lists by checking out their site. Here is the description provided by them: "New Ford Superduty Trucks Available! Rollingwheels.com is a new car auction website. We specialize in hard to find vehicles. During our initial pilot pphase we will be auctioning several new Ford Superduty Trucks. As we move out of the pilot phase many more vehicles will become available on the website." We would like to you to let then know you heard about them via Ford Truck Enthusiasts. You can visit them at: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.rollingwheels.com Now returning you to our regularly scheduled program... Ken Payne Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 23:37:02 EDT From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Shipping Advice put em on a pallet, strap em down and send them common carrier, we like to use central transport, but i'm not sure if they cover it direct. who ever you use be sure they go from point a to point b direct, i have had stuff to come up missing when a truckline has to interline it with another. if you know someone that has a business you can ship it to their business and possibly get a good discount. we get a 50% to 55% from most of the carriers we deal with. most of them charge extra for residential stops. be sure you insure the wheels. jeff grant == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 23:45:21 EDT From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Shipping Advice 4 tires and 4 wheels = 8 packages which probably = 100.00 or better on ups we have shipped pallets acoss country for 40.00 of course we mostly ship less than 300 pounds which goes under a minimum charge. ask the truckline how to classify them probably class 70, i would guess. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 21:38:15 -0700 From: Don Grossman Subject: FTE 61-79 - Power steering pump pully Hey there I've been at it for over an hour. How do you remove the pulley from a power steering pump? It's the round 70's type with the hex in the end of the shaft. I've tried it on the truck, off the truck, pipe wrench, 2lb sledge, heat, more heat..... What's the trick here.... take it to the parts house and have them do it.. ;-) TIA - -- Don Grossman duckdon pacific.net 99 Contour 63 F-100 4x4 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 00:53:15 EDT From: IanBoss69 aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Whine in radio probably not worth the trouble, cant hear it in the regular speakers, only when you hook up a headset in the back, and even then you can barely hear it, only when no music is playing, and maybe some very soft parts of song,,,,but thanks anyways!! ill run it by them to see maybe if they want it fixed, Ian 79 F250 4x4 4spd 351M members.aol.com/ianboss69/page/home.htm True Blue Ford Blue == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 00:57:24 EDT From: IanBoss69 aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - horsepower #'s Rich, may i suggest the Mustang Red Book, great source for all sorts of mustang stuff, VIN #'s, Engine, paint, carburator, tranny codes, even have the original options price list, and optional steering gear ratio, I have it around somewhere, if you want ill get the ISSN off it == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 23:49:47 -0500 From: "Larry Brown" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Power steering pump pully It takes a special puller to grab hold of the small lip around the shaft and pull it off. Most parts houses sell/rent or will pull and reinstall the pully if you are buying the pump from them. It also takes a special installer to reinstall the pully, but it can be made from a bolt, a couple of washers and a nut. Larry - ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Grossman To: Sent: Thursday, July 22, 1999 11:38 PM Subject: FTE 61-79 - Power steering pump pully > Hey there > > I've been at it for over an hour. How do you remove the pulley from > a power steering pump? It's the round 70's type with the hex in the end > of the shaft. I've tried it on the truck, off the truck, pipe wrench, > 2lb sledge, heat, more heat..... What's the trick here.... take it to > the parts house and have them do it.. ;-) > > TIA > > > -- > Don Grossman > duckdon pacific.net > 99 Contour > 63 F-100 4x4 > > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 01:07:37 EDT From: IanBoss69 aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - emissions In a message dated 7/22/99 11:53:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, yl dds.nl writes: > FTE content: If I ever win the lottery I'll take a 460 (or a 534 ), > put a custom made cam in it that operates the valves in 2-stroke fashion,.... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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