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61-79-list-digest Friday, July 23 1999 Volume 03 : Number 256



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - Bed liners and dash covers
FTE 61-79 - Shipping Advice
Re: FTE 61-79 - Shipping Advice
Re: FTE 61-79 - cams for 390
FTE 61-79 - horsepower #'s
Re: FTE 61-79 - horsepower #'s
FTE 61-79 - Dist caps
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Exhaust
FTE 61-79 - Filtering the gas
Re: FTE 61-79 - Shipping Advice
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE - anybody have an idea, polishing aluminum
FTE 61-79 - Re: Extraordinary Ford Trucks
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: 534 engine
Re: FTE 61-79 - emissions
Re: FTE 61-79 - Help with Guages
Re: FTE 61-79 - Looking at 74 Bronco Needs Help
Re: FTE 61-79 - exhuast for a 352
RE: FTE 61-79 - emissions
FTE 61-79 - It's been awhile????????
Re: FTE 61-79 - It's been awhile????????
FTE 61-79 - RE: Radio whine
FTE 61-79 - RE: Axle ratio differences
Re: FTE 61-79 - Dist caps
FTE 61-79 - Growing Up
Re: FTE 61-79 - New truck
Re: FTE 61-79 - New truck
FTE 61-79 - 240/300 Preferences
FTE 61-79 - 352 Engine
FTE 61-79 - 390 Cams
FTE 61-79 - Dashes
Re: FTE 61-79 - Bed liners and dash covers
Re: FTE 61-79 - horsepower #'s
Re: FTE 61-79 - Growing Up
Re: FTE 61-79 - Bed liners and dash covers
FTE 61-79 - OH MY WOUNDED PRIDE!
Re: FTE 61-79 - OH MY WOUNDED PRIDE!
FTE 61-79 - More 240-300 questions
FTE 61-79 - Extraordinary Ford Trucks
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: New Ford Superduty Trucks
Re: FTE 61-79 - Shipping Advice
Re: FTE 61-79 - Shipping Advice
FTE 61-79 - Power steering pump pully
Re: FTE 61-79 - Whine in radio
Re: FTE 61-79 - horsepower #'s
Re: FTE 61-79 - Power steering pump pully
Re: FTE 61-79 - emissions
FTE 61-79 - e4od

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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 07:08:29 -0500
From: "John R. Austin"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Bed liners and dash covers

Accu-Form Molded Dash Cap - JCWhitney- $80-$120

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> Brent,
> Where can you get a dash cover for $260? The ones I've seen are $400!
>
> Tim 66F100, SWB, 352, Custom Cab, Power Steering and Manual O/D
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 09:01:59 EDT
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Shipping Advice

Does anyone have experience shipping tires and rims? I have (5) cool 17"
F-250 rims with tires mounted (Thanks again Steve!) that must be shipped from
Santa Cruz, CA to New York. Any advice will be most appreciated.

Stock Man
1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible (in need of factory rims)
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 09:06:41 -0400
From: Joe & Jen DeLaurentis
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Shipping Advice

One thing is leave the air out!!!Dont pay shiping on air in the tires...You also
might
want to un mount the tires UPS will ship tires unwrapped with just a label on
them
and box the rims..
Joe

TBeeee aol.com wrote:

> Does anyone have experience shipping tires and rims? I have (5) cool 17"
> F-250 rims with tires mounted (Thanks again Steve!) that must be shipped from
> Santa Cruz, CA to New York. Any advice will be most appreciated.
>
> Stock Man
> 1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible (in need of factory rims)
> 1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 08:17:44 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - cams for 390

> hello i am new to the list and would like some suggestions on a cam for
>the
> 390 i am rebuilding.
> i am going to put it into a 69 f250 2wd only for fun no towing or hauling.
> i have headers, ported heads, balanced, and oversize valves about like a
> 428 cobra jet head. between 9.5 and 10 to 1 compression.
> my machinist recomended a crane maximum velocity 272 duration cam. i want
> to hear what everyone else has to say about cams.

The crane 272 cam should be a good one, I've got a "melling equivalent" ...
my advice to everyone trying to pick a cam, listen to the machinist, if you
don't trust him you don't want him building your motor anyway. Watch the
compression ratio though, that sounds good til you try and feed it and
realize you can't dial in all the timing you want/need... mine's on the
high side of 9.5 and I'm gonna have to back my timing off a bit more yet to
get up hills at highway speeds ... also remember headers do wonders for
these motors, if you're putting the cam in, make sure you can get the air
out. .... and in for that matter... if you want to read about the stuff
I've done to mine, check out http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ranger3.cc.iastate.edu/rebuild.html


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 09:18:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: rich may
Subject: FTE 61-79 - horsepower #'s

I was wondering if there was any way that somebody out there could find
the factory numbers(hp,trq) for a 1968 Mustang with a 390GT.

Thanks

Rich May
_________________________________________________________
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 09:29:17 EDT
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - horsepower #'s

In a message dated 7/22/99 9:20:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
doom460 yahoo.com writes:

> I was wondering if there was any way that somebody out there could find
> the factory numbers(hp,trq) for a 1968 Mustang with a 390GT.

Two great sites for Ford Cars are as follows:

Fomoco Obsolete : www. Fomoco.com
(Go to the Engine Text book-- link is in the left frame)

Ford V-8 Engine Workshop: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.wrljet.com/engines/specs.html

Chock full of great engine (and other valuable) info. Hope these help.

Stock Man
1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible (in need of factory rims)
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 09:44:46 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Dist caps

Bill writes: >>Has anyone tried to use the upper part of a 302 Duraspark
distributor on a
lower part 352 FT distributor ???.... came to think of that today... the
302 Duraspark dist. would be so much easier to find around everywhere.
In other words, take the pickup and plate from the 302, and also the upper
shaft part. The part that turns when the centrifugal system advance the
timing.

Was I silly now ????????... have never compared them...

I personally haven't done this, but I'm led to believe that all the early V8
Fords use the same diameter base, so it should work. I've seen some discussion
on this list previously about this, but can't remember it.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 06:56:31 -0700
From: "James A. Doty"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Exhaust

>This is a good opportunity to say that after living with the Flowmaster
>for a while, I am not sure I made the right decision. It is really loud
>at idle and quiets down at speed. I pulled over one day to talk to my
>neighbor who was in his front yard and had to shut it off because it was
>so loud I couldn't hear him talk. The sound it makes at speed is pretty
>tinny. Mufflers like Super Turbos would have a lower rumble at speed
>and quieter idle.
>
>Bottom line is, I am happy with the way it sounds from inside the truck,
>but if you care what it sounds like to other people I would consider
>something else.

Hi Mark:

I've got the same basic setup. Two 2.5" in, one 3" out Flowmaster, but
as you heard it isn't that loud. I wonder if it's because of the size
of the engine? I have the 351w which is a small block.

I do have an exhaust leak that needs fixin' though. Probably take care of
it sometime this summer.


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James A. Doty
Technology Aide
Woodland School District
dotyj earthlink.net
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:03:30 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Filtering the gas

Mike writes: >>
I also had some trouble with my 1978 F100 with corrosion from the tank
plugging the tiny little filter on the carb. It had been sitting for
about 2 or 3 years and had no gas in the tank the whole time. I
replaced the filter twice before I bought a spin on water separating
filter kit from the Mercruiser dealer that I worked for. Now I just dump
it out at least once a year and if it is rusty just replace the filter.
The initial cost is around 25 bucks but I have never had any trouble
with it. One important thing is to place it somewhere cool. I have heard
of people putting them in the engine compartment and having trouble with
vapor lock after that. I placed mine on the frame just below where the
bed and cab meet. Just make sure you mount the assembly up high enough
that you don't tear it off on a rock.

A great idea. Thanks, Mike. This is one of the many things I've personally had
trouble with on some of my conversions.. This idea along with some others about
how to "treat" the inside of a gas tank that hasn't been used in quite a while
should save me some problems in the future. Good ole Marine stuff.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 08:03:44 -0700
From: "Danger"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Shipping Advice

Joe wrote...

> One thing is leave the air out!!!Dont pay
> shiping on air in the tires...You also
> might want to un mount the tires UPS will ship
> tires unwrapped with just a label on
> them and box the rims
...............

Hmmm,..... I wonder what effect Helium would have on shipping cost?....
Hehe

"Wow,.. these big tires sure are light" says the clerk as he weights all
items to be shipped.


Danger


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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 09:07:14 -0500
From: "Corey Johnson"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE - anybody have an idea, polishing aluminum

I myself and most of my biker friends use Muthers Polish... works great on
chrome and aluminum.



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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 11:15:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dan Lee
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Extraordinary Ford Trucks

I park my '53 at the train station. I park close to
the road and I take my AM/FM/CD faceplate with me. I
would give a thief the radio to leave the rest alone,
but the damage that is done could be $$$$$. I also
disable my electric fuel pump(remove the fuse), if
someone hotwires it, it will start. They will be able
to drive it for about 1 minute on the gas in the float
bowl. Then it will stall in a highly visible
location(middle of highway). Hopefully at that time
the thief will panic and leave it, where it can be
recovered.

Dan Lee
'53 F100
351C-4V

>I leave my bronco at the train station every day, it
>is a huge parkinglot and most people park near the
>tracks - where there is nobody around and they can
>hide inbetween the cars. For that reason I always
>park in the open, next to the (busy) road. I am
>hoping they won't touch it there because there are
>people driving by and the police patrols too now and
>then. They actually apprehended me once because they
>thought I was stealing my own vehicle :)
>I suppose there are some things you can do to
>immobilise your vehicle easily, like taking the coil
>wire with you or disconnecting the transmission
>shifter linkage. Maybe even put a clip on the fuel
>line.But none of those really classify for something
>you'd do all the time. If I ever buy a new ignition
>system, maybe I should get one with anti-theft
>facilities. Of course all this doesn't keep them from
>stealing stuffout or off of it.

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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:04:40 -0700
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: 534 engine

>>Geeze, that's in the ballpark of what my 351 generates. I thought a 534
>>would be a 400-500hp monster.
>Uhm ... ever seen the torque on these beasts ? Its a touch over what your
>351 generates ... depending on the type of application of the equipment it
>is rated MUCH different also. Tractors are rated by their sustainable
>horsepower ... that is the motor must be able to maintain this hp for a
>certain period of time (like 8 hours or something) ... its kind of a
>different can of worms than the peak that your 351 advertises and MIGHT hit
>occasionally.

Well.. If you get a higher gear ratio you can MAKE high torque, right? And
if it gets proper cooling etc, it should be able to work hard continuously.
It's just that maybe it does not take as much abuse.

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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 17:37:35 -0700
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - emissions

>>All this talk about vehicle emissions got me thinking. Do we really need
>>those stupid rules? I'd rather live in smog and die young than to give up
my
>>big ol' V8. I want to enjoy my life. Don't wanna live like a cactus.
>
>But a cactus would like to be able to live like a cactus...

Dunno.. I never argue with them because then they sting. That's about all
the excitement they get.

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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 18:46:57 -0700
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Help with Guages

>I've got a 71 F100 with a full set of guages. All of my guages read
>low. By that I mean, the alternator needle barely swings when the
>headlights are turned on with the ignition is turned off or the turn
>signals activated, the temp guage doesn't reach the operating range and
>the electric oil pressure guage reads on the low side of the operating
>range.

The water temp, oil pressure, and fuel gauge are fed from the voltage
regulator. The current then goes through the gauge and to the sensor. The
sensor is grounded wherever it is screwed in. So you should observe that
the voltage regulator is grounded somewhere different than the sensors. The
regulator has a little heater element that disengages as it heats up, then
engages as it cools down, etc. Same as for the signals. Very simple, not
necessarily durable. I myself went through two of them in less then a year.
So yeah, that could be your problem. But the charge/discharge meter is
usually separate, it is an isolated wire curled around one of the main
battery cables. The meter measures the induced voltage by the large
current. You can adjust the meter by changing the number of windings. Mine
actually is not connected at all.





>I have a hunch the problem may be in the cluster voltage regulator.
>Does anyone have any experience with this type of situation and a
>possible solution? Does anyone know the part # for the voltage
>regulator?

That should be easy to find out from a ford dealer.

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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 18:31:10 -0700
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Looking at 74 Bronco Needs Help

>I am looking at a 74 Bronco with and Auto/302 and power steering, its
>only down side
>is the heavy rust in the drivers side rocker and floor...Is this a truck
>to fix or stay away???I know the auto/ power steering is worth the $1000
>there asking..
>Like to here from you

Take it, early bronco's are well built and easy to work on (easy emissions
too). The body is not as good in the sense that it has some spots like the
wheel wells which are completely "open", they have no plastic protective
slab like most vehicles do. This is why they rust so bad. Still the frame
and driveline are very good, the '74 has the bigger brake drums and the
dana 44, right?

A friend of mine has a '69 which had the 3-spd standard and no power
steering or brakes. When he hits a rock with four wheeling his steering
wheel turns into a helicoper so be glad you'll have the power steering :)
He also put a e4od in it with a programmable computer. He can program all
his shift points and has LEDs on his dash which indicate the current gear
and when it's going to shift etc. It's really cool to look at in such an
old vehicle :) He had rust problems too and basically what he needed for
the bodywork was an arsenal of ballistic tools (super duty impact wrenches,
torches, saws). I helped him install his body lift which sure was an
interesting project.

They're great vehicles and they are becoming collector's items.



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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 17:57:14 -0700
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - exhuast for a 352

>
>torque, and 30-40 HP or thereabouts) is worth the hassle. I've got
>them on my '65, and you have to drop the right one to change starters.
>FE's really like headers though, you can't believe the difference.

How would this work out for a 351M? I was thinking of getting headers at
some point, but I want to retain the accessibility I have right now. Of
course with anything you add, there will be less working space..

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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 17:53:15 -0700
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - emissions

At 08:08 PM 7/19/99 -0700, you wrote:
>I hear Eastern Europe is nice this time of year...

Yeah they used to have these cars called "trabant", they have 2-cyl
2-stroke engines that use a 1:25 oil/gas mixture and get maybe 15-20mpg. I
heard they were working on 2-stroke engines with a crankcase, with a
supercharger and direct injection. In the 20s-30's they made ship diesels
like this, since you are "flushing" the cylinder with clean air you can
flush all you want and not spray out half of your gasoline. Also you can
pre-compress the air.

FTE content: If I ever win the lottery I'll take a 460 (or a 534 ),
put a custom made cam in it that operates the valves in 2-stroke fashion,
make the distributor run at double speed(install super high energy coil)
and replace the spark plugs with injectors. You'd get double power without
the added stress on your engine, you still have low compression -> low
emissions. But of course you'd fail visual

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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 12:38:48 -0400
From: "Mike & Carrie Elmer"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - It's been awhile????????

Hey All,It seems like I've been off this list way to long.Anyway I've had
alot done to the ' 69 360FE in the time I've missed out on the exemplary
knowledge of every body,I had the oil pump changed to a HV pump,added
headders,timing chain and gears,water pump fr. and rear seals,4V carb and
manifold and the C-6 rebuilt,my problem is after I've gone 25 or 30 miles in
one shot w/I stop the oil pressure drops no change in the sound or way it
runs,like it did before I replaced the pump,my mechinic suggetsted either a
new sending unit or a mech.guage.We checked the compression and it's where
is should be,they checked the crank berrings w/the pan was off.What do I
do?As always thanks up front and I've missed you all. Mikey

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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 12:02:40 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - It's been awhile????????

>manifold and the C-6 rebuilt,my problem is after I've gone 25 or 30 miles in
>one shot w/I stop the oil pressure drops no change in the sound or way it
>runs,like it did before I replaced the pump,my mechinic suggetsted either a
>new sending unit or a mech.guage.We checked the compression and it's where
>is should be,they checked the crank berrings w/the pan was off.What do I
>do?As always thanks up front and I've missed you all. Mikey

Does it come back up to normal when you step on the gas ? If so, then this
is just a function of lower revs. My 82 GT used to do this when idling for
long periods, but touch the gas and it shot back to the high side ... my
truck was the same way on its 360 right before I pulled it .. its just a
function of the pump not running fast enough to keep everything under
pressure when the oil is warm and thin ... what weight of oil are you
running ?... an HV pump should've helped some, but might not have cured it
(obviously since you still have the "problem" ...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:41:55 -0400
From: "George W. Selby, III"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Radio whine

Ground loop. While your description is correct, there are many more pages
in the story of correcting the ground loop problem. After much experience
with car stereos I feel that most ground loops are caused by equipment with
poor internal grounds. When diagnosing ground loop noise, I find almost
invariably that the removal of one piece of equipment will result in the
total absence of noise. With me this piece has been 3 equalizers, 1 head
unit,1 crossover, and 2 amps. The base system is a head unit, eq,
crossover, and 3 amps, for a total of about 500 watts. I have given up on
the eqs, they all made noise (different brands). The equipment has been
both cheap and expensive, so you can't go by price alone.

Sometimes the Radio Shack ground loop isolators work, sometimes will result
in the loss of one channel of sound. If you have no signal
processors/amps, grounding the head unit to the battery directly with a 8
gauge wire will do wonders. In fact grounding everything to one point, and
then grounding that point directly to the battery with a large gauge cable
also works pretty good. For desperate measures, you can ground the outer
jackets of the RCA cables to each other and to ground (unless you have
balanced outputs.) If all this doesn't work, replace that piece of bad
equipment.

George Selby
78 F-150 400M, 4 on floor, 4x4
86 Audi 4000CS Quattro
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:21:46 -0400
From: "George W. Selby, III"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Axle ratio differences

No more than 2%, IMHO. If you run in 4wd (part time) with your current
setup then you willl break something on dry pavement, or handle funny off
road; if you have a full time system, you are cuasing needless wear on the
differnetial. Right now, it takes 4.1 engine revs to turn one axle, and
3.23 to turn the other, this is uneven and will cause problems (unless you
never use 4wd.

An acceptable ratio to use with the 3.23 would be between 3.21 and 3.25.

George Selby
78 F-150 400M, 4 on floor, 4x4
86 Audi 4000CS Quattro
IsuzuG prodigy.net

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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 16:54:41 +0200
From: "Bill Brox"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dist caps

Just that finding an FE / FT engine distr. from the last years with
Duraspark in Norway would be like finding the needle in the haystack.

Bill

>
> I personally haven't done this, but I'm led to believe that all the early
V8
> Fords use the same diameter base, so it should work. I've seen some
discussion
> on this list previously about this, but can't remember it.
>
> Azie
> Ardmore, Al.
>
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 15:19:06 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Growing Up

>
> Azie writes:
> >Just kidding you Bas, but not about the growing up and
> >looking at the rear end of a mule.
>
> you grew up ? what was wrong with you ? I thought you still played with
> trucks like the rest of us, but I guess you've had to start "working" on
> them now huh ? :)

My wife doesn't understand why I get such a kick out of that old '65
F250 4X4 of mine. I can't really use it for my 70 mile a day commute,
and "it's so g*dd*mn crude to ride in."(her exact words, reminds her of
riding in her dad's grain truck) She doesn't understand why when I get
$50.00 ahead, I spend it on "that truck." Or why I'm buying up parts to
build my 390, the engine runs well enough to spin the tires free of most
any mud hole. (son says so anyway) and it doesn't leak much. Why?

I'm a child. It's a toy. I polish, paint, abuse, and fix my toy. It's
fun. I have an '83 Bu*ck LeS*bre (a real turd) with no hubcaps or
headliner to drive 70 miles a day at 80 mph. It was free, I got it
running and I'm not even going to wash it. It's a shovel, and being a
child, I leave tools out in the rain.(except my pretty Snap-On Tools,
more toys you know) If I get sick enough of it I might put a brick on
the accellerator and turn it loose on the levee road. Or set it on
fire. Who cares, it's an ugly car that should never have been built, and
I could care less about it. She thinks I need a new car to drive to
work, but I don't Why spend $15-$20,000 on a shiny new shovel. I can't
leave it out in the rain...

I refuse to grow up.
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:18:47 -0700
From: MC
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - New truck

William S Hart wrote:

>
> Congratluations on the new truck, it sounds like a pretty cool one ( I know
> I'm jealous! ) I would bet that most of that stuff is stock, nothing
> sounds too far out of line to me anyway

That's what I figured, but after not having any of that on my '70, it is just
so exciting! :)

> ... also with the 360 (for it to be
> stock with a 4x4 it has to be a 360) you have the only year they put in
> elec. ignition ...

The VIN decoder says the same thing as you did....but the p.o. said he thought
it was a 390, so maybe it has been rebuilt? I guess I'll have to do the ol'
dowel in the spark plug hole trick.

The engine on my new truck has coolant lines routed through the intake
manifold. Is this normal? The 390 on my '70 doesn't have this, but it is an
Edelbrock intake. If I get rid of one of the trucks should I put the intake
with the coolant lines in the truck I keep?

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When everything's coming your way, you're in the wrong lane.

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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 15:23:40 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - New truck

>> ... also with the 360 (for it to be
>> stock with a 4x4 it has to be a 360) you have the only year they put in
>> elec. ignition ...
>
>The VIN decoder says the same thing as you did....but the p.o. said he thought
>it was a 390, so maybe it has been rebuilt? I guess I'll have to do the ol'
>dowel in the spark plug hole trick.
>
If you're sure its original, then its likely a 360, but you're always
welcome to check. Unless you're buying something that gets sized based on
the motor (like a radiator) it won't matter, even then, likely you'd rather
have the 390 piece anyway as it was designed to handle more power :)


>The engine on my new truck has coolant lines routed through the intake
>manifold. Is this normal? The 390 on my '70 doesn't have this, but it is an
>Edelbrock intake. If I get rid of one of the trucks should I put the intake
>with the coolant lines in the truck I keep?
>
My 2V didn't, but the 4V I got off of an old Galaxie does. I don't think a
2V was available with the coolant lines (can't guarantee it, just never
heard/seen it), but the 4V's obviously were. If you've got an edelbrock
intake, then likely they just went to the salvage yard and grabbed a 4V
spacer off of whatever was closest to the door ... whether you run with it
or not is up to you, I just switched mine over to run with it and haven't
had it in long enough to tell if its made a difference for the better or
worse at all yet.

Good luck with the truck, I'm sure you'll have loads of fun with it.


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 15:35:58 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 240/300 Preferences

> I personally do not have experience with the K-B Silv-O-Lite pistons, so I do
> not really feel confident in specifying a specific piston for you. I put
> Badger pistons in mine since that was what came with my engine rebuild kit. So
> far I really like them and the truck has plenty of power. Just do what you
> like! (besides, if you choose something different from either Tony M or myself,
> you're only adding to the knowledge base for these engines).

Badger pistons, Hastings rings, Michigan (Clevite)bearings, and Fel-Pro
gaskets are a good, high quality combination for anything short of all
out racing. You can spend more money for exotic stuff in your
shortblock, but I don't think you gain much unless you spend alot more
money and use it for what it's built for. You can get it all at
AutoZone too, none of that mail order garbage to deal with(and it keeps
me in a job, Mr. 70 hour a week Assistant Manager, hehehe! "would you
like some hand cleaner and shop towels with that sir?")

All joking aside, these brands are good quality and will give excellent
service as long as the machine work and assembly is up to par.
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 18:10:36 -0700
From: "O'Connor"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 352 Engine

Corey,
I'm in Whispering Pines NC

Tim 66F100, SWB, 352, Custom Cab, Power Steering and Manual O/D
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 18:45:41 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 390 Cams

> hello i am new to the list and would like some suggestions on a cam for
> the
> 390 i am rebuilding.
> i am going to put it into a 69 f250 2wd only for fun no towing or hauling.
> i have headers, ported heads, balanced, and oversize valves about like a
> 428 cobra jet head. between 9.5 and 10 to 1 compression.
> my machinist recomended a crane maximum velocity 272 duration cam. i want
> to hear what everyone else has to say about cams.
> thanks jake

You have to be careful with that much compression, not to go too short
with the cam. A 272d cam would be allright torque wise, but pinging
will be a problem if you plan to time it where the power is.

I prefer mechanical cams myself. Federal Mogul, Crane and Lunati all
have 1.76 adj. rocker arms available now. A 20501 Lunati 427-425 HP
blueprint cam would be strong, and still make pretty good low end, and
real strong mid-range. Idle is a little lopey, and very sweet. Specs are
:245 245 .050
324 324
ADV
INT
.524"
EXH
.524"

LCA 114
12.5 BTC
52.5 ABC
60.5 BBC
4.5 ATC
459 lbs.FT 4000 RPM 424HP 5500 RPM (still makes 413 lbs ft 2000
rpms) This is one stout cam, look at the simulation engine specs below.
It's pretty stock with 10 to 1 CR. This is an old Saturday-night special
circle-track favorite, strong off the corners. It isn't using a high
dollar set of heads, either.
- ----------------

A Crane Fireball 294 mechanical-lifter cam is extremely strong in the
low and mid range and idles alot smoother. Specs are: 227 227 .050
294 294 ADV
INT .523
EXH .523
LCA 114
4 43
52.5 -5
481 lbs.FT 3500 RPM 392HP 5000 RPM (I'm concerned with a encountering
little ping on this one, you could lose a little bit if you can't get
the timing in it)
- ----------------

The NHRA 428CJ blueprint hydraulic-lifter cam is : 224 232
304 324
.481
.490
114 LCA
0 44
52 0

442 lbs FT 4000 RPM 407HP 5500 RPM And you have to hear the idle on
this one, SWEET. I knew two different guys in back in high school who
had this cam in their Stangs. In a 390 it sounds TOUGH.

Simulations run on Desktop Dyno 2.57
.030 over 390 395 ci
10.0 to 1 CR
2.03 1.56 valves Small-Block Pocket Porting Stock Valves
700cfm Dual Plane
Small tube headers open exhaust

Bigger valves, and ported heads will increase power a little bit.
- ------------

I'm leaning toward the 294, but I would like any of them. Mechanical
cams yield more torque as you can see. The cool thing about the CJ cam
and the 425 HP numbers is that they are Ford cams, you can say "oh it's
a stock cam" to any one who asks.
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 19:55:41 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Dashes

After receiving a few inquiries about the LOW price my dad paid for his Dash
to be recovered, I figured Id just post directly to the list. The name of
the company is Discount Upholstery. They are located right here in Las
Vegas. Phone # is 1-702-648-7283. This was some time ago when he had this
done, so the $40 might have gone up. Even so It cant have gone up too much.
I understand a lot of his pricing depends on how busy he is at the time.
Good luck. I know I'll be callin him in the next few weeks.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 19:52:48 -0400
From: Brent Cole
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Bed liners and dash covers

LMC Truck has them for $289.95 and the covers for $79.95. Their web site is
www.lmctruck.com and from there you can order their free catalog. They have
all the bits and pieces that are sometimes hard to find. But JUMPINFORD
said something about "recovering" the dash pad?? Is that gluing the plactic
cover over the old cracked pad or is that something else?

Brent

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From: O'Connor
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 8:58 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Bed liners and dash covers


>Brent,
>Where can you get a dash cover for $260? The ones I've seen are $400!
>
>Tim 66F100, SWB, 352, Custom Cab, Power Steering and Manual O/D
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 19:01:09 -0500
From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - horsepower #'s

rich may wrote:
>
> I was wondering if there was any way that somebody out there could find
> the factory numbers(hp,trq) for a 1968 Mustang with a 390GT.
>
> Thanks
>
> Rich May

Try about 312 horsepower at 3,400 rpm and 427 foot pounds of torque at
3,200 rpm.
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 20:08:19 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Growing Up

Well said.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 20:12:45 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Bed liners and dash covers

In a message dated 7/22/99 5:05:35 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ColeJB ftc-i.net
writes:


said something about "recovering" the dash pad?? Is that gluing the plactic
cover over the old cracked pad or is that something else? >>

This is a complete redo of the pad matierial. It does have visible seams,
where the cloth was sewn together, but they put the seams along the corners
of the dash so it looks good. I was very happy with the job they did on my
dads. Im gonna try and take a pic, and make it available for download. If I
can, I'll let ya know.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 20:23:16 EDT
From: Bad4dFilly aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - OH MY WOUNDED PRIDE!

Hey y'all *sigh* today wasn't a good day! Lately I've been having a problem
with my truck stallin out. Well today I was racing my friend home
Chevy> Then while goin up the hill he passes me just as my truck stalls out!
Worst part of the whole thing was for some strange act of God he circles and
see's me sittin on the side of the road so the nice
guy he is he points and honks and laughs! God was lookin down opn me cuz my
baby started up and got me home before he could catch up to "rescue me." Just
for the record I'd rather walk barefoot in the sahara then give him the
satisfaction of rescuing me and my Ford! Just thought I'd share my lil story
for the day! Bye y'all!

*~*~Lisa and Envy~*~*
*~*~Silly boys....trucks are for GIRLS! ~*~*
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 19:29:27 -0500
From: "Larry Brown"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - OH MY WOUNDED PRIDE!

If I remember right, you said in one of your last posts that your dad found
that your carb was running out of fuel.

I had a similar problem with a '71 F100 with a 360 cid in it, what I found
was that the rubber fuel line down by the fuel pump had gotten soft and
would sometimes collapse on me. I replaced the fuel line and installed a new
vented fuel cap and cured the problem.

I hope this helps, it worked for me.

Freewheelin' in LA
Larry


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From:
To: ;
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 1999 7:23 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - OH MY WOUNDED PRIDE!


> Hey y'all *sigh* today wasn't a good day! Lately I've been having a
problem
> with my truck stallin out. Well today I was racing my friend home
> Chevy> Then while goin up the hill he passes me just as my truck stalls
out!
> Worst part of the whole thing was for some strange act of God he circles
and
> see's me sittin on the side of the road so the
nice
> guy he is he points and honks and laughs! God was lookin down opn me cuz
my
> baby started up and got me home before he could catch up to "rescue me."
Just
> for the record I'd rather walk barefoot in the sahara then give him the
> satisfaction of rescuing me and my Ford! Just thought I'd share my lil
story
> for the day! Bye y'all!
>
> *~*~Lisa and Envy~*~*
> *~*~Silly boys....trucks are for GIRLS! ~*~*
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 19:50:00 -0500
From: "Brett L. Habben"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - More 240-300 questions

Dave,
One other odd thing I noticed off Silv-o-lite's Web page; 240 piston
compression heights 1.577"-1.585" while 300 piston compression heights
1.740"-1.780" (taller!). Henry changed the pistons AND the rods?
Well, you know how it goes, you can never find a deal on something when
you need one. Last week I called on a 300 in the paper and the guy said
he must have gotten 200 phone calls for it. He's the one who suggested
looking into a 240 since apparently there's a shortage of servicable
300's here. The double whammy of Austin's building boom and the
Mexican's buying up all the serviceable trucks and parts and shipping 'em
south of the border has driven up commercial vehicles and used parts.
All the yards want $550 on up for a runner longblock (if they have one).
I figured it was worth looking into the clean $200 complete '69 240.
But, it isn't cost effective to convert it. I also called on a complete
300/T18 $300 rebuilder combo from a '74 F250, but it's in Longview, 4
hours away. Would that be the Heavy Duty 300? How do you tell?
Thanks Folks for the education!
Brett
Super75cab
>If you're going to spend the money on a good 300 steel heavy duty crank
and a
>good 300 head, you might be better off finding a donor 300 that came out
of one
>of the heavy duty trucks (F and E series 250-350). Dave H
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 21:49:10 +0000
From: "James Holland"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Extraordinary Ford Trucks

>I leave my bronco at the train station every day, it is a huge parking lot
>and most people park near the tracks - where there is nobody around and
>they can hide inbetween the cars. For that reason I always park in the
>open, next to the (busy) road. I am hoping they won't touch it there
>because there are people driving by and the police patrols too now and
>then. They actually apprehended me once because they thought I was
>stealing my own vehicle :)
>
>I suppose there are some things you can do to immobilise your vehicle
>easily, like taking the coil wire with you or disconnecting the
>transmission shifter linkage. Maybe even put a clip on the fuel line. But
>none of those really classify for something you'd do all the time. If I
>ever buy a new ignition system, maybe I should get one with anti-theft
>facilities. Of course all this doesn't keep them from stealing stuff out
>or off of it.
>
>The world would be so much better if people had some respect for others
>and their property.
>
>Bas.

I kinda stumbled onto a great anti-theft device. When I got my 67 F100, I
was
just getting rid of my 83 Mustang minus a few parts. I took the Holley
electric
fuel pump (which was given to me) and mounted it under the driver door
(on the I-beam). I was in a hurry and didn't have time to trace down the
wiring
to wire it up so I just hooked it into a toggle switch (now hidden).
Whenever I
go somewhere I just flip the toggle and.......no fuel. It might start but
it'll be
dead by the time it gets rolling. I know because I've forgotten about it
myself
a few times. Not a bad idea for less than $5.

- - Brian
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 22:21:52 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: New Ford Superduty Trucks

Dear Ford Truck Enthusiasts list members:

Those of you who have been here a while know the drill. :-O

We have a new advertiser on our web site. Since the beginning,
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We would like to you to let then know you heard about them via
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 23:37:02 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Shipping Advice

put em on a pallet, strap em down and send them common carrier, we like to
use central transport, but i'm not sure if they cover it direct. who ever you
use be sure they go from point a to point b direct, i have had stuff to come
up missing when a truckline has to interline it with another.
if you know someone that has a business you can ship it to their business
and possibly get a good discount. we get a 50% to 55% from most of the
carriers we deal with.
most of them charge extra for residential stops.
be sure you insure the wheels.

jeff grant
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 23:45:21 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Shipping Advice

4 tires and 4 wheels = 8 packages which probably = 100.00 or better on ups

we have shipped pallets acoss country for 40.00 of course we mostly ship less
than
300 pounds which goes under a minimum charge. ask the truckline how to
classify them probably class 70, i would guess.
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 21:38:15 -0700
From: Don Grossman
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Power steering pump pully

Hey there

I've been at it for over an hour. How do you remove the pulley from
a power steering pump? It's the round 70's type with the hex in the end
of the shaft. I've tried it on the truck, off the truck, pipe wrench,
2lb sledge, heat, more heat..... What's the trick here.... take it to
the parts house and have them do it.. ;-)

TIA


- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net
99 Contour
63 F-100 4x4


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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 00:53:15 EDT
From: IanBoss69 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Whine in radio

probably not worth the trouble, cant hear it in the regular speakers, only
when you hook up a headset in the back, and even then you can barely hear it,
only when no music is playing, and maybe some very soft parts of song,,,,but
thanks anyways!! ill run it by them to see maybe if they want it fixed,

Ian
79 F250 4x4 4spd 351M
members.aol.com/ianboss69/page/home.htm
True Blue Ford Blue
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 00:57:24 EDT
From: IanBoss69 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - horsepower #'s

Rich, may i suggest the Mustang Red Book, great source for all sorts of
mustang stuff, VIN #'s, Engine, paint, carburator, tranny codes, even have
the original options price list, and optional steering gear ratio, I have it
around somewhere, if you want ill get the ISSN off it
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 23:49:47 -0500
From: "Larry Brown"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Power steering pump pully

It takes a special puller to grab hold of the small lip around the shaft and
pull it off. Most parts houses sell/rent or will pull and reinstall the
pully if you are buying the pump from them. It also takes a special
installer to reinstall the pully, but it can be made from a bolt, a couple
of washers and a nut.

Larry


- ----- Original Message -----
From: Don Grossman
To:
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 1999 11:38 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Power steering pump pully


> Hey there
>
> I've been at it for over an hour. How do you remove the pulley from
> a power steering pump? It's the round 70's type with the hex in the end
> of the shaft. I've tried it on the truck, off the truck, pipe wrench,
> 2lb sledge, heat, more heat..... What's the trick here.... take it to
> the parts house and have them do it.. ;-)
>
> TIA
>
>
> --
> Don Grossman
> duckdon pacific.net
> 99 Contour
> 63 F-100 4x4
>
>
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 01:07:37 EDT
From: IanBoss69 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - emissions

In a message dated 7/22/99 11:53:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, yl dds.nl
writes:

> FTE content: If I ever win the lottery I'll take a 460 (or a 534 ),
> put a custom made cam in it that operates the valves in 2-stroke fashion,....


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