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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Grindin' gears/352
Re: FTE 61-79 - Door locks.
FTE 61-79 - Thunder 4 Wheel Drive
FTE 61-79 - Bill and Door locks
Re: FTE 61-79 - 9 Inch Rear End
FTE 61-79 - 352
FTE 61-79 - 352
Re: FTE 61-79 - 352
FTE 61-79 - Need advice 3351M/360????
FTE 61-79 - FS: 72 F100 4x4
Re: FTE 61-79 - 352
Re: FTE 61-79 - 352
FTE 61-79 - '69 f-250 Camper Special
FTE 61-79 - stuck dist
Re: FTE 61-79 - '69 f-250 Camper Special
FTE 61-79 - "WHY IS THIS HAPPENING" Problem solved!
FTE 61-79 - Fix for leaking drain plug
FTE 61-79 - Converting to a 460
FTE 61-79 - 240/300 Questions
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Web site updates
FTE 61-79 - Removing Bed Bolts
FTE 61-79 - 352 Exhaust
FTE 61-79 - RE: Emissions Testing
RE: FTE 61-79 - 352 Exhaust
FTE 61-79 - RE: door locks & '62 unibody for sale
Re: FTE 61-79 - 352
RE: FTE 61-79 - RE: Emissions Testing

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Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 07:58:47 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Grindin' gears/352

> Not always,I bought a truck from a guy who swore it had a 390 in it and
> found out later it was a 428.

That's about like getting married and finding out after the fact she's
got a million bucks in the bank aint it?
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Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 08:02:29 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Door locks.

>
>
> I obviously should have told you all that there is no way to lock the doors
> from the inside either... so the truck is open, all the time, even on
> sundays,,, and Christmas eve >>

If you push down on the inside door handle (the opposite way from
opening) it should lock.
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Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 09:15:08 EDT
From: FORDTRKNUT aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Thunder 4 Wheel Drive

Guys (and Gals)....have you ever heard of "Thunder 4 Wheel Drive"? The guy
used to be in Southern New Jersey and I have heard that he moved to North
Carolina. The problem being is that he has a 4:10 ratio Front Dana 44 for my
Bronco. I sold him a Dana 60 Front and when he was picking it up from he
asked if I had a Dana 44 F-250 front with 3:50 gears. I had the complete
opposite set-up and he said he would swap the gears over without charge.
This has been over a year now and I am pissed!!! I call the number approx.
every 2 weeks to ask him to call me......but nobody calls back!!! I called
today and good old gramma bell says "Sorry...The number you have dialed has
been disconnected" I called the following number: 1-609-261-3300 If
anybody knows where in NC he has moved...PLEASE E-mail me offlist as I don't
want o tie up list traffic. Thanks!!! Wayne Grabley
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Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 09:31:46 -0400
From: "Upchurch, Jason"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Bill and Door locks

Well Bill I have never seen this one before, my 65 standard cab has door locks on both sides. Maybe someone swapped a door for you?

Jason E. UpChurch

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Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 11:12:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: barry mitchell
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 9 Inch Rear End

Hey guys I've had a 4spd transmission given to me and
I don't have an idea of it's origin(except it is a ford). The numbers
on the side are arranged and read like this
;



c-2604194
X
RF-09BR-7006-AB
119011

Can anyone give me a clue as to what engine this might
have been used behind?
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Barry Mitchell-Many projects going on:
V8 Pinto (mine)
429 Torino swap (a buddy's)
76 Ford 4X4 460 swap (same buddy's)
64 F100 390 swap (son's)
63 unibody converted to 4X4 (stepson's)
82 F250 rebuild (mine)
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Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 08:26:57 PDT
From: "Christopher Denson"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 352

Hey Garry,
Long time no see! Well as you know I have a 352 in my '67 F100 Camper
Special. The restoration is just about complete. I have got a slight oil
leak comming out of the valve covers. I've replaced the gaskets time and
time again but to no avail.
To the guy asking about headers or glasspacks for a 352 I say this: I'm
running 3" duals into glasspacks w/o headers and this truck sounds MEAN! I
actually set of car alarms as I pass by. I do plan on getting headers
though.

Chris in San Diego
'67 F100 Custom Cab C/S 352FE/Cruise-O-Matic


>Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 23:40:53 -0400
>From: Garry Bowling
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - 352 Engine
>
>I was just wondering how many of you folks out there are still running
>the 352. My 67 has 352 which I rebuilt and bored 30 over back in 95.
>With the exception of a slight oil leak. The engine is one very strong
>engine...Also, the engine is the original engine.
>Garry Bowing
>garrya bellsouth.net
>67 F100 long bed



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Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 08:25:58 PDT
From: "Christopher Denson"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 352

Hey Garry,
Long time no see! Well as you know I have a 352 in my '67 F100 Camper
Special. The restoration is just about complete. I have got a slight oil
leak comming out of the valve covers. I've replaced the gaskets time and
time again but to no avail.
To the guy asking about headers or glasspacks for a 352 I say this: I'm
running 3" duals into glasspacks w/o headers and this truck sounds MEAN! I
actually set of car alarms as I pass by. I do plan on getting headers
though.

>Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 23:40:53 -0400
>From: Garry Bowling
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - 352 Engine
>
>I was just wondering how many of you folks out there are still running
>the 352. My 67 has 352 which I rebuilt and bored 30 over back in 95.
>With the exception of a slight oil leak. The engine is one very strong
>engine...Also, the engine is the original engine.
>Garry Bowing
>garrya bellsouth.net
>67 F100 long bed



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Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 11:51:51 EDT
From: TWL1911 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 352

Hey
how do i determine how big my exhaust manifold is for the exit. im not to
sure because there is about 3 reducers in the entire system and i have no
clue as to what size it is i think the exit is 2 1/2 any info is apreciated
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Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 10:38:15 -0500
From: Melanie & Ronnie Rowton
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Need advice 3351M/360????

I have been reading e-mail from this group for a month now. Thanks for all
the great ideas, advice and tips. So, here is my problem.

I bought this 76 Supercab for AC and rust free body parts. My main ride, 78
Regular cab F250 4X4, has a 351M w/ NP435 and the Supercab has a 360 w/ C6.
I would like to trade the 360 for another 351M to rebuild possibly with
high prefomance parts (thnks David for the great technical article on FTE).
I have found someone who would like to trade his 351M which had a problem
after he finished doing some work to it. I don't remember exactly what he
was doing to the motor but, he said his kid droped something in one of the
cylinders and he think the piston has a hole in it.
The 76 has been sitting for 9 years in a barn and has not been started
since then. I didn't check out the motor but I had to take one of the valve
covers off to remove the evaporator housing. The rockers look perfectly
clean, no build up or gunk(keep in mind I am not a mechanic). My neighbor
was going to use the tranny and while removing it he turned the motor and
aid it has strong compression. It looks as if the motor and tranny are not
originals. The block still has orange paint and several parts on the
tranny look brand new. The odometer reads 90,000
I hate to trade a perfectly good motor for a peice of junk and I have
already told the guy I would make the trade. Here is my question, can I use
the 360 and C6 in place of my 351M and NP435? Will I need to get some new
parts for the tranny to connect to the transfer case? Right now I am
removing the steering column just in case this is an option. What do I need
to consider? I can use the engine mounts from the 76 but what about the C6
connecting to my transfer case? I do not know what type of transfer caase
I have. The ID tag has Ner Process and a 205 with 196 gears. The numbers I
have found on the C6 are RF-C6AP 7A105-A. If I can use the 360 and C6
without major reconstruction then I will just rebuild 360 (or maybe I don't
have to) instead of looking for another 351M.



Ronnie
78 F250 4wd 351M NP435 (main ride)
76 Supercab F100 2wd 360 C6(parts)

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Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 09:34:24 -0700
From: "Josh Assing"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FS: 72 F100 4x4

Due to some unforseen bills; I have to sell off some of my toys; so
I'm putting them all up for sale until I get enough money.

I hate to see it go; but it's a toy.

I'm considering offers of $2500/obo (currently a neighbor has
already offered me 2200 but I don't like selling to friends/neighbors)

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.jassing.dyndns.org/josh/f100.htm

I've put a new steering wheel in it; and put a fan shroud in it; other
than that; the pictures are what it is.
NEEDS a new steering box and differnt pitman arm (due to the lift
kit)
The truck is located in Snoqualme, WA

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Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 12:46:55 EDT
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 352

Are you going to purchase an new exhaust or fabricate something? My
recollection is that it's 2 1/2" off the stock manifolds.
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Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 12:51:35 EDT
From: TWL1911 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 352

Hey
well as far as i know ther is a few reducers and i haent a clue as to why
they did that. but i do want my truck to turn heads as i go by so think
glass packs are the way to go
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Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 13:23:33 -0400
From: Bill
Subject: FTE 61-79 - '69 f-250 Camper Special

Hey Folks,

I posted this last Wednesday and I was kind of surprised I didn't get a
response to it. I'll give it another try and see what happens...

Also, had the heads sent out...8 new intakes, a couple of new seats, and had
the exhaust manifold side planed a tad to make it flat..... looking forward
to getting it bolted back together in the next couple of days.

Tnx again.

> First, thanks in advance for reading this. Second, this is the first
> time around on this list, so I hope this is appropriate.
>
> The Truck:
>
> F-250 Camper Special
> 360 C.I.D
> 4-spd top loader (assuming that it's a BW T-18)
> 4.10 or 4.11 rears (need to research vin plate to know for sure)
>
> 43,000 original two owner (three counting me) miles.
>
> This truck is completely factory original. The interior is remarkably
> clean (black dash, shiny, not cracked. White buckets that are very
> white,etc. Black carpets
>
> Factory Air (mechanicals/electrical work, no gas)
>
> The body is remarkably clean. Two slight (and I mean slight) dings on
> hood. And a very slight crease (about 1 inch) on the right door where
> the west coast mirror meets the door. The paint (med. beige) still has a
> little shine to it, but has a lot of oxidation. Looks good for 30 years
> old. The undercarriage is as new. Cab mounts, rockers, door bottoms,
> etc.....all as new. The truck was undercoated and Ziebarted when it was
> purchased in '69
>
> I bought this from a neighbor a few weeks ago. My intention was to use
> it as a work truck, but since then have been told by many it would be a
> shame to put this ol' girl into the salt this winter. I didn't intend to
> buy a "classic". Anyway the truck has had 15,000 miles put on it since
> 1973. The guy I bought it from has put 500 miles a year on it to go
> hunting each fall. A few years ago he dropped about 3k (I have the
> receipts) into it to have everything on the bottom of the truck replaced
> that wasn't undercoated (oil pan, cables, exhaust manifolds, calipers,
> wheel cylinders,exhaust sys., etc.).
> Presently, I'm having a valve job done to it (sat for about a year,
> valves sit seized I think). Heads are off as we speak and the bottom
> looks very good (no ridge on the tops of the cylinders, etc.) Also, just
> put a brand new set of 16.5 X 9.50 Coopers under it.
>
> The only rust on this truck is the battery box and a 4" diameter hole
> thru the inner fender under the battery box. Otherwise, no rust.
>
> So what's reasonable to ask? I have no idea what the market is for this
> old beast.
>
> Thanks again.
>
> Bill



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Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 20:41:31 GMT
From: "Brian Vance"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - stuck dist

I have another question about the unstuck dist. I'm now at around 30
degrees ATC.(???) If I align "0" up with the arrow and take off my dist
cap, where should the rotor be pointing to? Is there a notch or something
on there? My knock is better, still a little noticeable but much better,
I'll see next week what the gas mileage is up to.

Brian


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Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 15:53:51 -0500
From: "Johannes Fluetter"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '69 f-250 Camper Special

Bill;

Tha't a very subjective question. Blue book, of course, is next to
nothing - but to a collector, it might be worth 7 to 8k. My suggestion is
to go to http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.traderonline.com/pickup/index.shtml and search pickups
of your type and condition. This is usually a pretty good gauge of what
it's worth.

John Fluetter

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From: Bill
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Sunday, July 18, 1999 12:32 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - '69 f-250 Camper Special


>Hey Folks,
>
>I posted this last Wednesday and I was kind of surprised I didn't get a
>response to it. I'll give it another try and see what happens...
>
>Also, had the heads sent out...8 new intakes, a couple of new seats, and
had
>the exhaust manifold side planed a tad to make it flat..... looking forward
>to getting it bolted back together in the next couple of days.
>
>Tnx again.
>
>> First, thanks in advance for reading this. Second, this is the first
>> time around on this list, so I hope this is appropriate.
>>
>> The Truck:
>>
>> F-250 Camper Special
>> 360 C.I.D
>> 4-spd top loader (assuming that it's a BW T-18)
>> 4.10 or 4.11 rears (need to research vin plate to know for sure)
>>
>> 43,000 original two owner (three counting me) miles.
>>
>> This truck is completely factory original. The interior is remarkably
>> clean (black dash, shiny, not cracked. White buckets that are very
>> white,etc. Black carpets
>>
>> Factory Air (mechanicals/electrical work, no gas)
>>
>> The body is remarkably clean. Two slight (and I mean slight) dings on
>> hood. And a very slight crease (about 1 inch) on the right door where
>> the west coast mirror meets the door. The paint (med. beige) still has a
>> little shine to it, but has a lot of oxidation. Looks good for 30 years
>> old. The undercarriage is as new. Cab mounts, rockers, door bottoms,
>> etc.....all as new. The truck was undercoated and Ziebarted when it was
>> purchased in '69
>>
>> I bought this from a neighbor a few weeks ago. My intention was to use
>> it as a work truck, but since then have been told by many it would be a
>> shame to put this ol' girl into the salt this winter. I didn't intend to
>> buy a "classic". Anyway the truck has had 15,000 miles put on it since
>> 1973. The guy I bought it from has put 500 miles a year on it to go
>> hunting each fall. A few years ago he dropped about 3k (I have the
>> receipts) into it to have everything on the bottom of the truck replaced
>> that wasn't undercoated (oil pan, cables, exhaust manifolds, calipers,
>> wheel cylinders,exhaust sys., etc.).
>> Presently, I'm having a valve job done to it (sat for about a year,
>> valves sit seized I think). Heads are off as we speak and the bottom
>> looks very good (no ridge on the tops of the cylinders, etc.) Also, just
>> put a brand new set of 16.5 X 9.50 Coopers under it.
>>
>> The only rust on this truck is the battery box and a 4" diameter hole
>> thru the inner fender under the battery box. Otherwise, no rust.
>>
>> So what's reasonable to ask? I have no idea what the market is for this
>> old beast.
>>
>> Thanks again.
>>
>> Bill
>
>
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Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 17:24:03 EDT
From: Bad4dFilly aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - "WHY IS THIS HAPPENING" Problem solved!

Hey everybody! Well after dad drove my truck he finally found out what was up
with it. There was no fuel in the carburetor and the fuel line was dry
that makes any sense> so he is gonna fix it today! Bye y'all! Oh and BTW, I
got a enw decal to add to my collection....it has a lil girl w/ pigtails
"whirlin the bird" sayin "Up yours Chevy Girl" Now is that classic or what?
=) Mom and dad aren't too happy with it but it is MY truck! =)

*~*~Lisa and Envy~*~*
*~*~Silly boys...trucks are for GIRLS! ~*~*
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Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 14:22:06 -0700
From: Sean Hess
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Fix for leaking drain plug

Hey y'all,

The drainplug on my oil pan has a slow leak. I just got done with the oil
change and torqued it to spec., but I've still got the drip. Could I use
teflon tape around the threads to fix this, or would I be courting trouble with
some sort of contamination?

Dr. Hess
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Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 18:42:34 -0700
From: "Bob"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Converting to a 460

I currently have a '78 SuperCab 2 wheel drive with a very tired 400M/C6. I
just found out about a '78 Lincoln sitting in a guy's back yard that only
has 56k on it. It has been sitting for about the last 5 years. It is a
460/C6, that has never been molested, ie all stock emmissions systems still
in place. The owner tells me the car was running ok when he parked it, but
the radiator was bad, and the interior was shot (vandalized), and he lost
his license. Now I am wondering what I would have to do to install that
combo in my truck. I would like to eliminate all smog equipment, as I am
sure the bracketry would be almost impossible to find for a truck. Also I
would like to use the complete rear end assembly as the one I have is REAL
bad. Any help or thoughts would be appriciated either to the list or
directly to saintnsinner mpinet.net
Thanks

Bob

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Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 21:03:31 -0500
From: "Eric Washburn"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 240/300 Questions

Alright, I need some info. I have a 1967 F100 pickup with the original 240
in it. I also have a 300, but I don't know what it came out of. I would like
to know how I can identify the year of engine it is. After I know the year,
ya'll can help me with some more questions :-)


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Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 22:22:20 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Web site updates

The Ford Truck Enthusiasts web site has been updated:
http://www.ford-trucks.com

- -All sections of the pictorial have had new pictures
added.
- -1973-1979 Ammeter Diag article added to tech articles.
- -BBS reorganized (actually took place 3 days ago) for
easier navigation.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 23:32:59 EDT
From: Spike188 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Removing Bed Bolts

I recently did battle with these ^* %^& bed bolts when I swapped beds between
a 67 and a 70 F100. I resorted to grinding the heads off and punching them
through from the top. Glad thats over with!
Rob
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Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 23:44:14 -0400
From: Garry Bowling
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 352 Exhaust

Travis,
You asked about making the 352 sound good. I rebuilt the engine before
restoring the truck. When
the engine was rebuilt I had stand plain 2 1/4" duals with stock
mufflers installed. After I completed
the restoration I had 2 1/2" duals with Flowmaster triple chamber
mufflers installed. Sounds as
good or better then any mustang. They can be noisy on the road. I had
the mufflers placed under
the bed just before the rear axle and straight pipes out the back. (The
current exhause system cost
me $330.00) I am going to install headers once I can afford them.. I
was told to buy Dan Worley
headers or Dan's headers. They are made for FE engines. Cost is very
very high. To have them
installed is approx $450.00. They are made with the FE starter in mind
and will not burn it up. The
headers are very heavy and guarenteed a life time. When I have the
headers installed I will go to 3"
pipe all the way back. I have heard a newer Ford Pick up with 3 inch
pipes and headers and it
sounds good.

Just remember if you drive the truck alot noise becomes a real
factor....

Just my opinion.

Garry Bowling
garrya bellsouth.net

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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 00:46:29 -0400
From: "Sean R. Kerns"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Emissions Testing

Hey George,

What state are you locate in?

Thanks,

Sean

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Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 07:38:39 -0400
From: "George W. Selby, III"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Emissions Testing

Apperantly on a 78 f-150 400M the only emissions part
required is a PCV
valve. Just had my truck inspected and everything else was
checked NA for
not applicable.

George Selby
78 F-150 400M, 4 on floor, 4x4
86 Audi 4000CS Quattro
IsuzuG prodigy.net

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Bloodspoint Studio - Home of Stalking Horse
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cool, with complimentary mojo after takeoff..."


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Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 22:07:27 -0700
From: "Steve Schwartz"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 352 Exhaust

Garry,

Could this possibly be Doug Thorley, instead of Dan Worley?

Steve

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Garry Bowling
> Sent: Sunday, July 18, 1999 8:44 PM
> To: Ford Truck Enthusiasts
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - 352 Exhaust
>
>
> me $330.00) I am going to install headers once I can afford them.. I
> was told to buy Dan Worley
> headers or Dan's headers. They are made for FE engines. Cost is very
> very high. To have them


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Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 22:25:56 -0700
From: "Jeff Carver"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: door locks & '62 unibody for sale

Wow, hearing about the potential for lack of door
locks makes me feel lucky that all four doors have
the same key still! Since the door key and ignition
key have the same shape, dad cut a little v-notch in
the ignition key so he could feel the difference
in the dark. I'm still using the original key with the
notch and just received another from dad they found
while moving out of the old house, this key has a
notch too, he was thorough.

Since the rear doors are cut down a little they had
to re-position the window cranks, and thus had to shift
the angle of the door handle so they are pointing
forward. You figure after 34 years of being in
this truck I would know which way to push to lock
the door, but I still get it wrong!


BTW found this ad in the local Grass Valley paper:
'62 Ford Pickup Unibody Shortbed $1000 530-639-1818
I don't recognize the 639 prefix however.
That's all I know!

Jeff
'64 F100 CrewCab


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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 01:46:20 EDT
From: TWL1911 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 352

hey all
i have the same problem with vavle cover gaskets leaking on my 352 is this
just the nature of the engine or what. i also apreciate every one responding
to my question about the exhaust. thanks again and again
Travis
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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 02:00:26 -0400
From: "George W. Selby, III"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - RE: Emissions Testing

North Carolina

George Selby
78 F-150 400M, 4 on floor, 4x4
86 Audi 4000CS Quattro
IsuzuG prodigy.net

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From: Sean R. Kerns [SMTP:bpmusic choice.net]
Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 12:46 AM
To: Ford 61-79 List; IsuzuG prodigy.net
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Emissions Testing

Hey George,

What state are you locate in?....

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