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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - transmission modulator
FTE 61-79 - Emissions Testing : Vote with your feet
Re: FTE 61-79 - Ford Country
FTE 61-79 - 460 motor mount brackets for a 79
Re: FTE 61-79 - 534 engine
Re: FTE 61-79 - Emissions Testing : Vote with your feet
FTE 61-79 - srewball designs
FTE 61-79 - VIN decoder
FTE 61-79 - Extaordinary Ford Trucks !
Re: FTE 61-79 - Ford Country
Re: FTE 61-79 - 71 Manuals and Wiring Diagrams
Re: FTE 61-79 - Emissions Testing : Vote with your feet
Re: FTE 61-79 - VIN decoder
Re: FTE 61-79 - VIN decoder
FTE 61-79 - Non FTE content
Re: FTE 61-79 - 351M/351 Cleveland
FTE 61-79 - Modulator vacuum
Re: FTE 61-79 - Emissions Testing : Vote with your feet
FTE 61-79 - Ummm... It was just working fine a minute ago
FTE 61-79 - Wheelbase
FTE 61-79 - 71 Wiring Diagrams
FTE 61-79 - CB antenna
Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 motor mount brackets for a 79
Re: FTE 61-79 - Non FTE content
Re: FTE 61-79 - Emissions Testing : Vote with your feet
Re: FTE 61-79 - Emissions Testing : Vote with your feet
FTE 61-79 - RE: Valve Stem Seals
Re: FTE 61-79 - Non FTE content
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Valve Stem Seals
FTE 61-79 - What's it worth - '79 Bronco
Re: FTE 61-79 - Ummm... It was just working fine a minute ago
Re: FTE 61-79 - Ummm... It was just working fine a minute ago
Re: FTE 61-79 - 71 Wiring Diagrams
Re: FTE 61-79 - What's it worth - '79 Bronco
FTE 61-79 - Re: 534 engine
Re: FTE 61-79 - 351M/351 Cleveland
FTE 61-79 - Timing question
Re: FTE 61-79 - Timing question
FTE 61-79 - 351M pistons in a 400M application?
Re: FTE 61-79 - 351M pistons in a 400M application?
Re: FTE 61-79 - 351M/351 Cleveland
FTE 61-79 - Re: Smoking 360
FTE 61-79 - 68 Parts/Whole For sale
FTE 61-79 - Stories
RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Smoking 360
FTE 61-79 - 78 duraspark with vacuum problem.
FTE 61-79 - C4 Bellhousing
FTE 61-79 - C4 Bellhousing
Re: FTE 61-79 - Non FTE content
FTE 61-79 - intermit wipers
Re: FTE 61-79 - What's it worth - '79 Bronco
FTE 61-79 - wheels
FTE 61-79 - Re: Cummins 4BTA's
FTE 61-79 - Flooding (not carb related!)
FTE 61-79 - Signallight/brakelight
FTE 61-79 - Re: Smokin Joe Camel

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Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 06:37:18 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - transmission modulator

> I have a 79 f250 4x4 400 and live in CA. After extensive research I
> believe that I have all of the vacuum lines connected to the right
> spots. The only one I was not able to determine the location of was the
> transmission modulator line. Does it connect to manifold or port
> vacuum?

Manifold.
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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 07:53:08 -0500 (CDT)
From: hodgson2 ix.netcom.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Emissions Testing : Vote with your feet

I have been reading with interest all the recent posts on emissions testing. One solution that
works for some people is to register your truck in a state that doesn't require emissions
testing. Some states allow non-resident registration of vehicles, or you use a friend or
relative's address in a "performance friendly" state. Your own state law may prohibit this, but
not necessarily. Check it out. As a law enforcement officer, I've run into this quite
frequently. Shoot, maybe you guys should just move to Tennessee; Ford truck people are our kind
of folks!

As some of you likely know, especially if you've been to Pigeon Forge and talked to some
Tennesse FTEs, our state doesn't require emissions testing. We don't have the smog problems that
areas like LA have, and most of our visible industrial air pollution was cleared up during the
70s and early 80s. State government figured out that the expense of emission inspection and
testing wasn't cost effective. As newer, cleaner running cars replace the existing "fleet,"
attrition will have the desired effect on air quality. [Heck, back in the mid-70's before the
manufacturers figured out how to make cars run decently on unleaded gas, the Sheriff's
Department I worked for pulled the catalytic converters off and kept putting leaded gas in our
Ford patrol cars. Running on the unleaded, we could shut off the engine and the darn thing would
diesel for five minutes! ...and wouldn't pull the proverbial greasy string.;-)Back on the
leaded, they ran great.]

Besides, your well-tuned, modified ("tampered with") Ford truck likely pollutes a lot less than
many "stock" vehicles in a poorer state of tune. The total number of these "enthusiast vehicles"
and the amount of fuel b urned in them is a mere drop in the bucket compared to the total number
of vehicles, so state government taking you to the mat about your truck's emissions equipment is
just bureaucracy at its worst rather than sensible environmental concern.

Also, as someone else mentioned, do talk to your local street rod crowd about which inspection
stations may be more lenient. My experience in other states where I have lived is that some
inspectors have the "power trip" attitude of a mall security guard, while others are pretty laid
back so long as your vehicle isn't belching smoke. The rodding guys will usually have the skinny
on where to go.

Food for thought, just my two cents .... Considering the length, maybe a nickel's worth :^)

Jim Hodgson
Cleveland, Tennessee


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Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 07:52:14 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Ford Country

>> Please be patient, Rome wasn't built in a day
>> either...:-)
>
>But the earth was made in 7 ;-) (by my way of looking at it)
>
We all know the REAL story ... He sluffed off for 6 days, and worked his
butt off on the 7th to get it done in time ....

hehehehehe ;) Just jokin guys, don't take this too seriously...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 08:03:15 -0500
From: "James L. Wiley"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 460 motor mount brackets for a 79

>
>I am looking for a set of motor mount brackets or stands to put a 460 into
>a 1979 3/4 ton pickup. I have a set of stands for a 400 I could trade.
>
>Thanks
>
>James L. Wiley
>Wiley Tarleton.edu


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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:09:58 EDT
From: IanBoss69 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 534 engine

In a message dated 7/8/99 2:21:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
r72cnvt hotmail.com writes:

> I cannot see any reason to try to adapt this monster
> into a smaller F-series p.u.

They put jet engines in trucks, v8's in motorcycles, and allison v-12's in
dragsters, a F-series with a dump truck engine would fit right in, course
thats my opinion. :-)

Ian
79 F250 4x4 4spd 351M
members.aol.com/ianboss69/page/home.htm
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Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 09:14:17 -0400
From: James Oxley
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Emissions Testing : Vote with your feet

hodgson2 ix.netcom.com wrote:
>
ks!
>
> As some of you likely know, especially if you've been to Pigeon Forge and talked to some
> Tennesse FTEs, our state doesn't require emissions testing.

Maybe not yet, but when that international Kyoto treaty kicks in, about
2008, the whole country will be in trouble. It states we need 1990
emission levels by 2008.

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Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 08:19:40 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - srewball designs

>>> Yes, Bas, I have AC. And yes the AC made it an extra pain. That and it had
> never been out in 20 years. It was rusty, full of pine needles, a tight fit,
> I have big hands, etc. Interesting you mention the pine needles. My heater was
almost empty but a friend of mine had a rat (or mouse, not sure) nest in his
and it almost caught fire, started smoking etc, hahahah. Anothr friend also
had this
with plain leaves, he said he had to open his window to see anything,
the whole cab filled with smoke. He showed me later, smelt like a brush
fire.

The problem here is that Ford does not put screen over the fresh air intake.
My uncle lived in Dikinson, TX, and had a lot covered in pine trees. All of
the needles fell on and in the truck over the years. My ex bro-in-law had 85
and 86 Ranger pickups which filled up with live oak leaves. I dreaded going
anywhere in his truck because as soon as he turned on the fan the passenger
(me) would get a leaf bath.

- -- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom LWB Regular Cab 351M C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!

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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:21:35 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - VIN decoder

OK guys/gals in the know. I don't have access to the WWW, so I need a little
help. I purchased my wife a truck (1976 F100 2wd) and I need someone with
access (or a book) to decode the VIN for me. I know what I got, but I'd like
to know what it was when it left the factory.

F10GLC29290.

AM14 DaimlerChrysler.com

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 08:24:43 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Extaordinary Ford Trucks !

>>hahah, yeah I did something like that too once. There was about 6" of
snow and I was driving on a little dirt road on the side of a mountain,

What's snow? What's a dirt road? What's a mountain? We don't get that stuff
down here. :-)

At one time my truck was worth about $20,000. How can a 79 F150 daily driver
be worth so much? Easy: It was loaded down with 10 brand new Macintosh
systems!!

- -- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom LWB Regular Cab 351M C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!

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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:29:30 EDT
From: IanBoss69 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Ford Country

that would be my way :-) lol

Ian
79 F250 4x4 4spd 351M
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Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 09:29:27 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 71 Manuals and Wiring Diagrams

Selling manuals you find is one thing, photocopying them for
others is known as copyright violation.

How do you think Microsoft would react if you were on one
of their mailing lists discussing giving out copies of
Office to others on the list?

Tim Bowman wrote:
>
> If anyone needs prints from 71 Ford Truck Wiring Diagrams, let me know.
> I just received a set that I found on eBay. They are unused and will
> copy well.
>
> Tim Bowman
> Burien, WA
> 71 F100
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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:35:28 EDT
From: IanBoss69 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Emissions Testing : Vote with your feet

In a message dated 7/8/99 9:17:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, luxjo thecore.com
writes:

> we need 1990
> emission levels by 2008.


whats up with this? they expect individuals who dont even understand how
this stuff works to make their own car more efficient than the engineers who
had about 8 years of training designed them to??? this is nuts, who else
thinks that the transportation offices have to much power? I mean you dont
see cats on tractors or other gas powered vehicles? motorcycles? boats? oh
how about the friendly blender? putting restrictions on highway (or
off-highway) vehicles emmisions won't make up for the thousands of factorys
in the world that do most of the polluting,

Ian
79 F250 4x4 4spd 351M
members.aol.com/ianboss69/page/home.htm
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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:39:13 EDT
From: IanBoss69 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - VIN decoder

F100 2wd, 302ci 2bbl, michigan assembly

courtesy fordtruck links on the FTE site

Ian
79 F250 4x4 4spd 351M
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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 06:42:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: rich may
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - VIN decoder

Do you know the transmission code, front axle code, and rear axle code?
If you don't this was the only info that I could get w/o the other
info:

Results for VIN#: F10GLC29290

Model Year: 76
Series: F100 - 4x2 Pickup
Engine: 8 Cyl, 302ci (5.0L) 2bbl
Assembly Plant: Michigan Truck
Transmission: No code selected
Front Axle: No code selected
Rear Axle: No code selected



_________________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?

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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:43:12 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Non FTE content

Ian writes: >>But the earth was made in 7 ;-)

Shouldn't that be 6 days. I believe he rested on the 7th.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 06:45:01 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351M/351 Cleveland

Thanks for your message at 11:58 PM 7/7/99 EDT, JJJJJGRANT aol.com. Your
message was:
>both have the same amount of valve cover bolts, in fact the use the same
>valve cover, in fact you can put 351 c heads on a modified and vice versa
>because they are basicaly the same head. i have a fried that is building a
>400 with 351 cleveland 4v closed chamber heads and a 351 cleveland 4v
intake,
>yes a 351c intake, they make spacers for this.

Alright! Alright! I erred! I can't go on with the constant reminder...The
truth is out...I see "M," I think "W."


Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:45:07 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Modulator vacuum

Pat Green writes: >>I have a 79 f250 4x4 400 and live in CA. After extensive
research I
believe that I have all of the vacuum lines connected to the right
spots. The only one I was not able to determine the location of was the
transmission modulator line. Does it connect to manifold or port
vacuum?

Manifold.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 08:44:52 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Emissions Testing : Vote with your feet

>whats up with this? they expect individuals who dont even understand how
>this stuff works to make their own car more efficient than the engineers who
>had about 8 years of training designed them to??? this is nuts, who else
>thinks that the transportation offices have to much power? I mean you dont
>see cats on tractors or other gas powered vehicles? motorcycles? boats? oh
>how about the friendly blender?

SHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! We need to keep them the way they are, no more of this
tractor stuff... actually most tractors are diesel these days (the bigger
ones anyway), and they usually operate under a load, not like your daily
driver car which really only"needs" about 10-15 hp to cruise at the
speedlimit.


putting restrictions on highway (or
>off-highway) vehicles emmisions won't make up for the thousands of factorys
>in the world that do most of the polluting,
>
Very true ... how would you regulate off highway vehicles ? Do you know
what a farmer would do to the stupid cop who chased him into the field to
check his cat-converter? I don't think it would be pretty ...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 08:48:12 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Ummm... It was just working fine a minute ago

Danger,

Points are relatively cheap. I would replace them. I once had a set that was
relatively new and failed because the rubbing block wore down. They looked
OK static, but would not open while running. Next, I would look for a wire
that wasn't making connection on your starter, solenoid, or ignition switch.
Next I would look for a wire that had fallen against something and burned
through the insulation. Can we say "short"? Every one of these has happened
to me at one time or another, but so far not in my F150!

Usually when the timing chain jumps it is accompanied by the appropriate
racket of things not working in synch any more.

- -- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom LWB Regular Cab 351M C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:52:02 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Wheelbase

Jeff Grant writes: >>also does anyone know if a 78-79 extended can with a short
box has the same
wheel base as a regular cab with a long box?

Isn't the wheelbase dimensions stamped on the data plate on the door or door
jam???

It is on the older larger F series for sure, so I just assumed it was on the
smaller (f350 and down) F series......

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 06:53:47 -0700
From: Tim Bowman
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 71 Wiring Diagrams

To all who responded to my post re: 71 Wiring diagrams, please note that
they are 70+ pages of 11x17, so any requests need to be specific. I'm
not willing or eager to copy that much.

If anyone needs a set of 72 manuals (5 volumes in 4 books w/o wiring
diagrams) check my ad on on the FTE site.

Tim Bowman
Burien, WA


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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:56:48 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - CB antenna

Dave (Downunder) writes: >>If you spend the money on your antenna system
instead you will not only get
out almost as well but you will hear twice as much as well

Want ot expound on this a bit??? I need an education on CB Antenna's
Contact me offline please.
AM14 DaimlerChrysler.com

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Thu, 08 Jul 99 09:05:54 PDT
From: "jeff loosier"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 motor mount brackets for a 79

I know that you said trade but if you cant find them anywhere else
Dennis Carpenter Ford has a kit for $160.00 for 65-79 trucks they
say no welding required and not for Lincoln motors There # is
704/786-8139.

Hope this helps Jeff

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Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 07:14:05 -0700
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Non FTE content

am14 daimlerchrysler.com wrote:

> Ian writes: >>But the earth was made in 7 ;-)
>
> Shouldn't that be 6 days. I believe he rested on the 7th.
>
> Azie
> Ardmore, Al.

First was the Earth. Seconds was roads. Third was gas. Fourth was Burger
joints to hang out at and fifth was Ford trucks to connect them all
together. I count only five.... oops forgot about bout police to write
tickets while speeding to get a burger. Yep it was six

Laters

- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net
99 Contour
63 F-100 4x4


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Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 10:19:28 -0400
From: James Oxley
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Emissions Testing : Vote with your feet

IanBoss69 aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 7/8/99 9:17:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, luxjo thecore.com
> writes:
>
> > we need 1990
> > emission levels by 2008.
>
> whats up with this? they expect individuals who dont even understand how
> this stuff works to make their own car more efficient than the engineers who
> had about 8 years of training designed them to??? this is nuts,

I meant pertaining to overall air quality and greenhouse gasses, not
pertaining to individual vehicles. Heehee, sorry for the scare. Make no
mistake it will have a big impact on the country. It does not take into
account emission levels from 1990, plus population increases and more
cars/factories, ect..., it only says 1990 emission levels. It also
places limits on natural resource use. I don't think it was portrayed
for what it really was. It will limit our GNP. It also lets many 3rd
world countries off the hook. Since it's international, even congress
can't override it, although I heard most in congress didn't like it as
it's going to piss off the entire country. I also heard that it somehow
may be in direct conflict with our constitution, but I'm no legal guru.
anyway, starting to get a bit off-topic, so I'l end it here.

who else
> thinks that the transportation offices have to much power? I mean you dont
> see cats on tractors or other gas powered vehicles? motorcycles? boats?

You will, well maybe not boats. Water cooling a cat would be a little
tricky :-) new 2 stroke jetskis/outboards are allready gone (or will be
soon) due to emission regs.



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Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 10:26:58 -0400
From: James Oxley
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Emissions Testing : Vote with your feet

William S Hart wrote:
>

> putting restrictions on highway (or
> >off-highway) vehicles emmisions won't make up for the thousands of factorys
> >in the world that do most of the polluting,
> >
> Very true ... how would you regulate off highway vehicles ?

Easy, specify emission levels for the factories and set up emission
testing, just like they have it now for pass veh's. Some owners of
classic cars have had their fences ripped down and there unregistered
vehicles confisgated and crushed. The ultimate emission device???

Do you know
> what a farmer would do to the stupid cop who chased him into the field to
> check his cat-converter? I don't think it would be pretty ...

Heehee, I like the thought, but the reality is that most of us would
roll over and die before going up against "the man". Most I talk to
would rather spend thousands on trying to get around stupid laws than
write even one letter complaining about them. The laws can be changed.
We don't win em all, but many of us are trying. (falling off my usual 80
foot high SB :-))

OX
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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 12:35:33 -0400
From: "George W. Selby, III"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Valve Stem Seals

My valve stem seals were disintigrating, going into the oil pan, and
getting into the oil pump, causing the pump to lock up and break the
distributor roll pin, causing instant truck shut off. When I replaed my
seals, oil consumption did not decrease at all, my next thought would be
the valve guides.

George Selby
78 F-150 400M, 4 on floor, 4x4
86 Audi 4000CS Quattro
IsuzuG prodigy.net

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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:51:27 -0700
From: "Sam Weatherby"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Non FTE content

Perhaps resting is considered part of working...
If I could convince my boss that i would be getting lots of OT...
-srw

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'65 F100

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> Ian writes: >>But the earth was made in 7 ;-)
>
> Shouldn't that be 6 days. I believe he rested on the 7th.
>
> Azie
> Ardmore, Al.
>
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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 11:38:56 -0700
From: "Danger"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Valve Stem Seals

George Selby wrote...

> My valve stem seals were disintigrating, going into the oil pan, and
> getting into the oil pump, causing the pump to lock up and break the
> distributor roll pin, causing instant truck shut off. When I replaed my
> seals, oil consumption did not decrease at all, my next thought would be
> the valve guides.
...........

I noticed that the stems that had lost their seals hadn't worn the
guides but the ones that had their seals intact were worn on the last 390 I
disassembled. I would think you're losing oil somewhere else other than the
valve guides.

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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 13:50:49 -0400
From: dgerow stonehill.edu (Daniel R. Gerow)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - What's it worth - '79 Bronco

Hello all,

As some of you may know, I've been looking for a '78-79 Bronco over the
past few months. I've found one that I really like and seems decent, but I
just want to know if the price is right. It's a '79 Bronco Ranger XLT.
Rebuilt 351/C6. New brakes, hardware, lines, cv joints, ball joints, wheel
bearings, dual Trailmaster SSV's at all four corners, new windshield, and
other such minor things. It's got NO interior at all, except for the front
buckets which need recovering, a new 6 point rollcage welded in, all gauges
work, everything else works, drives fine, good front end, good brakes. Body
is solid, very little rust except a few spots on the fenders where it was
tapped (2 spots, nothing major), good tailgate and glass. The truck had
141,000 on it and the motor had only about 40K on the rebuild. The guy
wants $6000 firm...I think it's a little high with the lack of interior and
needed body work. I figure you are the experts, so what would something
like this go for...or what do trucks like this bring. I'm located in Mass,
just south of boston if that makes any difference.

Thanks alot,

Dan

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Technology Resources
Stonehill College
Easton, MA
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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 12:26:20 -0700
From: "Danger"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Ummm... It was just working fine a minute ago

Thanks for all those who replied, the problem is solved...

When I said "The engine seems to be getting gas, but doesn't even try to
start when I turn it over" I was looking at the transparent filter (which I
installed in order to see what condition the tanks were) and could see the
fuel flowing. The engine was getting its gas poured into the oil pan due to
a faulty fuel pump. I replaced the pump which had about 10k miles on it,
changed the oil and relocated the transparent inline fuel filter by moving
it out from between the tank and pump and placing it between the pump and
carb.

I've never really given an electric fuel pump much thought until now.
Couldn't you remove the mechanical fuel pump and bolt a small custom made
plate in it's place? What do you think of converting an FE to an electric
fuel pump?

Danger



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Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 13:36:10 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Ummm... It was just working fine a minute ago

> I've never really given an electric fuel pump much thought until now.
>Couldn't you remove the mechanical fuel pump and bolt a small custom made
>plate in it's place? What do you think of converting an FE to an electric
>fuel pump?
>
An elec. fuel pump is probably okay, though make sure you get either a low
pressure one, or one with a pressure switch so you don't flood out the carb
... also wanna be careful with the wiring so you're not feeding raw fuel
into an accident if one should occur ...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 11:48:44 -0700
From: Don or Bub
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 71 Wiring Diagrams

what is your ftp site. i have a 72 f-100
thanks
bub

Tim Bowman wrote:
>
> To all who responded to my post re: 71 Wiring diagrams, please note that
> they are 70+ pages of 11x17, so any requests need to be specific. I'm
> not willing or eager to copy that much.
>
> If anyone needs a set of 72 manuals (5 volumes in 4 books w/o wiring
> diagrams) check my ad on on the FTE site.
>
> Tim Bowman
> Burien, WA
>
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Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 14:53:00 -0400
From: James Oxley
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - What's it worth - '79 Bronco

Daniel R. Gerow wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> As some of you may know, I've been looking for a '78-79 Bronco over the
> past few months. I've found one that I really like and seems decent, but I
> just want to know if the price is right. It's a '79 Bronco Ranger XLT.
> Rebuilt 351/C6. New brakes, hardware, lines, cv joints, ball joints, wheel
> bearings, dual Trailmaster SSV's at all four corners, new windshield, and
> other such minor things. It's got NO interior at all, except for the front
> buckets which need recovering, a new 6 point rollcage welded in, all gauges
> work, everything else works, drives fine, good front end, good brakes. Body
> is solid, very little rust except a few spots on the fenders where it was
> tapped (2 spots, nothing major), good tailgate and glass. The truck had
> 141,000 on it and the motor had only about 40K on the rebuild. The guy
> wants $6000 firm...I think it's a little high with the lack of interior and
> needed body work. I figure you are the experts, so what would something
> like this go for...or what do trucks like this bring. I'm located in Mass,
> just south of boston if that makes any difference.
>

It is definately high. 6k$ should bring you a virtually mint truck or
fully restored. I got this one for 2K$

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=556

It has wheelwell rust, a dent on pass rear 1/4 and rust on corner of
drivers door, but it has nice interior (new carpet), extra TG, complete
extra set of wheel/tires. It had 97K when I got it. Not easy to find a
truck like this for this price, but they are out there.

OX
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Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 12:52:54 -0700
From: Vogt Family
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 534 engine

On Wed, 07 Jul 1999, George Litton wrote:
>
> I have seen the 534 engine. It is a huge beast. It probably weighs double
> a 460. It has the combustion chamber in the cylinder, similar to the
> 348-409 Chevy. It is very heavy-duty engine, destined for large 700 series
> and bigger trucks. I cannot see any reason to try to adapt this monster
> into a smaller F-series p.u.

"Have seen the 534?" Is that like, "Have seen the elephant?" Hee hee

Along these lines, I am an on call wildland hand crew firefighter. We
ride a bus that is powered by a 9.0 L International V8 diesel,
non-turbo. It is an 84. It has two horsepower ratings, 160 and 180.
This is the 160. The diesel in my pickup is an 85 6.9 L also by
International, and its ratings are 145 and 175. Mine is the 175. It is
also much smaller than the 9 liter but it probably uses more fuel, since
it spews a lot more black smoke when you push it. It probably doesn't
last as long, either.

Birken
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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 10:12:28 -0600
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351M/351 Cleveland

>From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
>Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351M/351 Cleveland
>
>i have seen modifieds without the web you are
>speaking of. the one that came
>out of my truck didn't have it for some reason.

Yo Jason (or Kathy):

When I saw Bill B's post about the web on the front of an M-block (351M/400), I
thought, "Yep, that's a sure way to identify the M-block." That web makes it a
PITB to get to the distributor hold-down bolt.

Then, last night while I was puffing a stogie out in the garage, I happened to
glance over at the 1978 351M (originally from a Bronco) sittin' on the engine
stand and, "Holy moly!!" there was no web on it! Funny thing is, the 351M in my
1980 F250 does have that web. So at this point, I have to concur w/ Jeff Grant
and agree that the absence of that web is not an indicator of a Cleveland (351C)
block. However, the presence of that web does indicate an M-block (and rule out
a 351C block).

AFAIK, a sure-fire way to distinguish a 351C block from an M-block is the block
casting number, located on the right side of the block below the deck of the #3
and #4 cylinders, usually right above where the starter sits. All 351C blocks
have a casting number that starts w/ D0 or D2. M-block casting numbers start w/
D1, D3, D4, D5, D7, or D8. The D1 and D3 blocks were all built (originally) as
400s. The D5, D7, and D8 blocks were used for both 351Ms and 400s.

Dave R (M-block devotee)


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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 13:36:25 -0700
From: "Sam Weatherby"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Timing question

There is a 302 in my '65.
According to the timing marks, our timing is so far retarded it never it is
off the scale by a wide margin.
Is it possible that the outer ring of the dampner has rotated?
any other ideas?
-srw


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Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 16:26:04 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Timing question

>There is a 302 in my '65.
>According to the timing marks, our timing is so far retarded it never it is
>off the scale by a wide margin.
>Is it possible that the outer ring of the dampner has rotated?
>any other ideas?

Possibly your timing has jumped so the dist isn't where it thinks it is ...
otherwise it could also be a sloppy timing chain by itself, mine was
showing way advanced, but for other motors it could show retarded ... try
pulling the cap off and moving the harmonic balancer (a wrench on the crank
bolt usually works), if you can move the harmonic a long ways before the
rotor moves, then your timing chain is pretty bad ... not sure what a long
ways is, but I'm sure others have a good idea ...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 20:51:51 -0400
From: Brent Cole
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 351M pistons in a 400M application?

I have noticed, looking for pistons for my 400M rebuild, that there seems to
be some difference between the 351M and 400M pistons. I have learned about
using the 351C pistons in a M application but what are the differences
between the 351M piston and the 400M piston? Reason I am asking is forged
flat top pistons are available for the 351M engine (but not the 400, as far
as I know). If they will swap, the added cost of a forged piston might
offset the cost of bushing the rod for the different size wrist pin of the
351C pistion. Any info?

Thanks
Brent


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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 15:26:58 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351M pistons in a 400M application?

351M pistons + 400 crank = lots of bad noises when you start up the engine.
The 351M crankshaft has a stroke of only 3.50 vs. the 400 which has a stroke
of 4.00. Since they both use the same rod & block, to make up the difference
they make the compression height of the piston different for the 351M from
the 400. Bottom line the 351M piston would stick out of the block at TDC and
hammer into the head to the tune of beaucoup $.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

- -----Original Message-----
From: Brent Cole
To: Truck List
Date: Thursday, July 08, 1999 3:09 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 351M pistons in a 400M application?


>I have noticed, looking for pistons for my 400M rebuild, that there seems
to
>be some difference between the 351M and 400M pistons. I have learned about
>using the 351C pistons in a M application but what are the differences
>between the 351M piston and the 400M piston? Reason I am asking is forged
>flat top pistons are available for the 351M engine (but not the 400, as far
>as I know). If they will swap, the added cost of a forged piston might
>offset the cost of bushing the rod for the different size wrist pin of the
>351C pistion. Any info?



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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 15:29:25 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351M/351 Cleveland

I just have one question...what kind of stogie?

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

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From: Dave Resch
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, July 08, 1999 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351M/351 Cleveland



>Then, last night while I was puffing a stogie out in the garage, I happened
to
>glance over at the 1978 351M (originally from a Bronco) sittin' on the
engine
>stand and, "Holy moly!!" there was no web on it! Funny thing is, the 351M
in my
>1980 F250 does have that web. So at this point, I have to concur w/ Jeff
Grant
>and agree that the absence of that web is not an indicator of a Cleveland
(351C)
>block. However, the presence of that web does indicate an M-block (and
rule out
>a 351C block).



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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 18:29:27 -0700
From: "Scott Jensen"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Smoking 360

When I was younger and didn't listen very well, I replaced my valve stem
seals. That little pressure was all it took to blow back past the rings and
smoke big time. But I did add that adventure to my mental tool box, so it
wasn't a total loss. I agree, if it ain't broke, don't fix it - unless
you're prepared to go all the way.

Sometimes you have to do it once to learn. A buddy just had to go on a
hunting trip with us one year, and take an old wore out ch. He had money
for lifters, but not for the cam and chain. I told him he might get a week
out of the motor, if he took it easy. I think he might have got a week out
of it, except he decided to throw in a 2000 rpm stall converter, because it
was "free".

Stall converters like that are great in cars. Sit at the line, get the
rpm's up and just launch! But in a 4x4 it didn't work so well. He would
idle up to a little hill and the tranny wouldn't engage untill he rev'ed
it. Then the tires would bury themselves. The stress on the motor was
incredible.

The new lifters on the old cam worked just great. He abused the heck out of
the motor for a bit over two days and he was within 40 miles of getting
home before it gave. He's the kind of guy that see's milepost 80 and thinks
it's the speed limit.

My buddy now drives a Ford and doesn't call for engine advice unless he's
got some cash.

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Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 21:50:51 -0400
From: Joe & Jen DeLaurentis
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 68 Parts/Whole For sale

Anybody in need of a dana 60 floater with 3.73's and some factory front
disc brakes??? How about a 360 motor tooI have these items on a 68 f250
rolling chasis, includes a rusty cab and a half decent bed and tailgate
all this
for $200 or BO..I'm in PA let me know
Joe

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Date: Mon, 27 Aug 1956 13:26:11 +0000
From: mdennis
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Stories

I had a 63 shortbed with a six in highschool. I worked in a body
shop and it had a new Cherry red paint job on it. I wasn't much into
mechanics then so I don't even know what motor it had but it did have
three on the tree. In midwest Illinois we could get pretty bad snow and a
friend got his car stuck in a drift. He called me to help, I had
chains for my tires. When I got there another friend was cruising by
with his dads brand new *hevy wrecker with dual rear wheels. When he
heard that I was going to pull out our friend, who was stuck pretty
badly he just laughed and said "you'll never pull that car out with that
little Ford". He backed up his wrecker and tried to pull our friend out with
a tow chain....just spun his tires. Out in the corn fields of Illinois there
isn't much to tie off to so he couldn't winch him out. Low and behold, he
got the Wrecker stuck. I offered to pull him out.... "You'll never pull
that wrecker out with that little Ford" he said. But he was willing to let me
try because he was desperate. He didn't want daddy to know he got his new
wrecker stuck. I hooked my chain up and pulled him right out! The only
problem was that they had forgotten to unhook the car that was still chained
to the wrecker. It didn't matter, cause my "litle Ford" pulled both the
Wrecker and the car out at the same time!!!! I drug them both an extra 20 feet
down the road just for fun... and maybe to pi** him off a little more. I
still laugh when think of the look and that kid's face.

M.Dennis
79 F150 SB 351M soon to be 460
70 Falcon 390
69 sports roof in need of restoration
67 Mustang fasback in process of being restored
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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 19:31:34 -0700
From: "Steve Schwartz"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Smoking 360

Hi,

I must have missed something: How does replacing the valve stem seals cause
the motor to do anything bad (that it wasn't doing already)?

Curious,
Steve

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Scott Jensen
> Sent: Thursday, July 08, 1999 6:29 PM
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Smoking 360
>
>
> When I was younger and didn't listen very well, I replaced my valve stem
> seals. That little pressure was all it took to blow back past the
> rings and
> smoke big time. But I did add that adventure to my mental tool box, so it
> wasn't a total loss. I agree, if it ain't broke, don't fix it - unless
> you're prepared to go all the way.
>

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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 23:04:22 -0400
From: "Matthew Schwartz"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 78 duraspark with vacuum problem.

I have a rebuilt 460 with all new 78 parts including a "new" 78 distributor.
The engine was timed and running well for about 25 miles then it started
idling and running rough. Rechecking the timing revealed a new condition. If
I pull and plug the vacuum line leading to the distributor's vacuum advance
diaphragm, I get zero spark out of terminal /wire one. Attach the vacuum
line, I get spark as seen by a timing light. That never happened before. I
should get spark on terminal 1 with vacuum or without. Any Ideas?

I suspect that with vacuum, the diaphragm pulls the pickup in line with the
stator, but without vacuum, the pickup defaults to a position does not line
up closely with the stator leg associated with cylinder 1. But why the
change suddenly and what can I do about it? This condition occurs with the
engine timed at 12 BTDC, which ran great a few miles ago.

Thanks

Matt

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Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 19:59:01 PDT
From: "H. Lee Purvis"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - C4 Bellhousing

Does anyone know where I can find a C4 bellhousing to fit a 170 six
cylinder? I believe that Ford put these in the Maverick and Comet in the
early '70s. My '71 Bronco has the 170 and a friend gave me a C4. I'm toying
with the idea of putting the C4 in if I can get the correct tail shaft.
Ultimately, I'll go with a 289 or 302 but $$$$ is a concern right now.

Thanks
Lee


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Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 19:59:23 PDT
From: "H. Lee Purvis"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - C4 Bellhousing

Does anyone know where I can find a C4 bellhousing to fit a 170 six
cylinder? I believe that Ford put these in the Maverick and Comet in the
early '70s. My '71 Bronco has the 170 and a friend gave me a C4. I'm toying
with the idea of putting the C4 in if I can get the correct tail shaft.
Ultimately, I'll go with a 289 or 302 but $$$$ is a concern right now.

Thanks
Lee


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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 23:29:00 EDT
From: IanBoss69 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Non FTE content

In a message dated 7/8/99 10:30:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
duckdon pacific.net writes:

> First was the Earth. Seconds was roads. Third was gas. Fourth was Burger
> joints to hang out at and fifth was Ford trucks to connect them all
> together. I count only five.... oops forgot about bout police to write
> tickets while speeding to get a burger. Yep it was six
>
who drives the trucks and recieves the tickets?

Ian
79 F250 4x4 4spd 351M
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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 23:42:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: metalheaddude webtv.net (PAUL)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - intermit wipers

hi im looking for a intermit wiper setup for my 78 f-250 supercab 4x4 if
anyone has one they would like to sell or knows someone who is selling
one let me know i would appreciate it alot thanks








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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 07:47:25 -0800
From: "Erik Marquez"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - What's it worth - '79 Bronco

- -----Original Message-----
From: Daniel R. Gerow


>Hello all,
>
> As some of you may know, I've been looking for a '78-79 Bronco over the
>past few months. I've found one that I really like and seems decent, but I
>just want to know if the price is right. It's a '79 Bronco Ranger XLT.
>Rebuilt 351/C6. New brakes, hardware, lines, cv joints, ball joints, wheel
>bearings, dual Trailmaster SSV's at all four corners, new windshield, and
>other such minor things. It's got NO interior at all, except for the front
>buckets which need recovering, a new 6 point rollcage welded in, all gauges
>work, everything else works, drives fine, good front end, good brakes.
Body
>is solid, very little rust except a few spots on the fenders where it was
>tapped (2 spots, nothing major), good tailgate and glass. The truck had
>141,000 on it and the motor had only about 40K on the rebuild. The guy
>wants $6000 firm...I think it's a little high with the lack of interior and
>needed body work. I figure you are the experts, so what would something
>like this go for...or what do trucks like this bring. I'm located in Mass,
>just south of boston if that makes any difference.
>
>Thanks alot,
>
>Dan

I would agree with ya there. Interior stuff is not cheap.. I would pay 6k
for that Bronco if it was complete. But not in the condition you described.
Walk up with 4K in cash and watch his eyes light up.
Erik Marquez
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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 00:02:17 EDT
From: IanBoss69 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - wheels

i know this is subject matter having to do with post-79 stuff but im hoping
to apply it to my 79. Has anybody used the 80s stock wheels for the F-series
on their 70's truck? The rim with the disc-like center, and the small 1"
square openings all around the edge. and did they have them in 8-lug does
anyone know? biggest size available? I'm figuring that i can get a used set
of those to use with bigger tires for the same price as 1 aftermarket wheel
and still look relatively better than my "steelies". So i can get my bigger
tires and buy better wheels later. Speaking of tires,,,I'm looking at MT baja
belted and Super Swamper Thornbirds, both in 33x11.5x16/16.5 sizes, anyone
have any comments on which is better for all around performance?
road/rock/mud/dirt sand isnt on my list , thanks

Ian
79 F250 4x4 4spd 351M
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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 23:19:11 -0500
From: "Brett L. Habben"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Cummins 4BTA's

Bill,
You've got 2 pieces between the Cummins block and the tranny: tranmission
housings coming in a variety of patterns, and then the bellhousing.
Fleet Sales used to have tranny housings for a Ford pattern, allowing you
to use a Ford bellhousing. If no longer available, then take a look at
the Dodge pieces used. If they can't be made to work then you're stuck
with SAE #2 or #3, which there may be a bellhousing to fit the 434.
Locating one may be tricky, depending on you location. Industrial
salvage yards often have standing contracts with rebuilders. I was
staring at 4BTA at Quality Core, and while it's price was $500, I
couldn't touch it because of the contracts. Start beating the bushes
with all the diesel service operations in your area. A loner may pop up
out of an E350 cube van, bread van, or a tractor for that matter. A
rebuilt 4BTA is not cheap; Womack wants $4000 for one. But I've heard of
used servicable engines or complete bread vans going for $1500-$2000.
One other thing to remember, these are direct injection 4 cylinder
diesels, and they do vibrate, maybe more than you would find acceptable
in a '66 with it's limited sound deadening. I've ridden in late model
repowers like an '89 Ch*v 3500 and with all the factory sound deadening
it was acceptable to me.
Brett
>Brett,
>What is your thoughts of the Cummins 4BTA bolting up to a four speed
(434)
>in a 66 F350? Also, are 4BTA's available?
>Regards,
>Bill

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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 00:45:50 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Flooding (not carb related!)

Hello folks. Just thought Id share my Ford Story. Here in Vegas, we just
got the worst rain weve had in 15 yrs. Severe flooding all over the Valley.
I spent 5 hrs in a neighborhood pulling out stalled cars. Tweety did me
proud, even with water to the headlights, and the occasional over the hood
wave, it NEVER stalled, or faltered. Ran strong all day. I dont know what
people think. If my truck is in up to its headlights, why does the guy behind
me in the honda think he can go to? I pulled out more vehicles today than
get pulled out at Foster Lake in OR. I pulled out cars that were floating,
stalled, and even one truck that was stuck in a manhole that had popped its
cover. Man was it fun. Better than almost any wheelin trip. Just thought
Id share. See yall

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety" aka "the tug"
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Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 23:20:59 -0700
From: sparky mail.island.net
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Signallight/brakelight

A while back there was a discussion about separating the signal lights
from the brakelights. Well my curiosity finally got the better of me and I
modified my truck. I now have brakelights/running lights on the top, then....


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