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61-79-list-digest Tuesday, July 6 1999 Volume 03 : Number 235



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Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961-1979 Trucks and Vans
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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - 351M/351 Cleveland
Re: FTE 61-79 - FE to 300 swap
FTE 61-79 - Jet Size for Holley 390 cfm on 300 I-6
Re: FTE 61-79 - Daddy's Little Helper
Re: FTE 61-79 - 351M/351 Cleveland
Re: FTE 61-79 - 351M/351 Cleveland
FTE 61-79 - T-18 or NP 435
Re: FTE 61-79 - T-18 or NP 435
FTE 61-79 - Mild RV cam for a 352
Re: FTE 61-79 - 351M/351 Cleveland
Re: FTE 61-79 - T-18 or NP 435
FTE 61-79 - T-19
Re: FTE 61-79 - Mild RV cam for a 352
FTE 61-79 - Re: The Stumbler
FTE 61-79 - Re: 351M/351 Cleveland
FTE 61-79 - 65 transmission
FTE 61-79 - Re: The Stumbler
FTE 61-79 - Copper Header Gaskets
Re: FTE 61-79 - Jet Size for Holley 390 cfm on 300 I-6
Re: FTE 61-79 - Copper Header Gaskets
Re: FTE 61-79 - T-18 or NP 435
Re: FTE 61-79 - Copper Header Gaskets

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Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 03:27:10 -0500
From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351M/351 Cleveland

I looked at the block tonight, and the thermostat is level with the
bottom of the intake. But it has the 335/385 series bellhousing pattern.
Could it still be a Cleveland?
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Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 04:51:35 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FE to 300 swap

In a message dated 7/4/99 8:22:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bhabben juno.com
writes:


work, and does that include vans (E100's)? >>
As I recall, you just put the left tower on the right side, and vice versa.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 05:47:47 -0500
From: jcarbone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Jet Size for Holley 390 cfm on 300 I-6

I am running an Offenhauser intake with a Holley 390 cfm 4 bbl. and
Hedman dual outlet headers on my '78 F-100 with 300 c.i. I-6/C-6
auto/2.75 gears.

What is the correct carb jet size for this set-up?

I need to fabricate/buy a transmission kick-down set-up. Any
suggestions?

Thanks!

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Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 08:51:03 EDT
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Daddy's Little Helper

In a message dated 7/5/99 12:17:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
JJJJJGRANT aol.com writes:

> all compliments of a darling two year old son
> wanting to help daddy.


Pound for pound I would take a fleet of 6 year olds over the older ones.
There isn't anything they will not do for you. I will tell you that their
interest fades until about the time they have to get their driving permit.....

Stock Man
1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible (I need factory rims)
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
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Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 07:32:07 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351M/351 Cleveland

The t-stat is level with the intake on the Ms so if it has a big block bolt
pattern it's a 351M/400.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

- -----Original Message-----
From: Jason & Kathy Kendrick
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, July 05, 1999 1:33 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351M/351 Cleveland


>I looked at the block tonight, and the thermostat is level with the
>bottom of the intake. But it has the 335/385 series bellhousing pattern.
>Could it still be a Cleveland?



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Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 08:17:50 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351M/351 Cleveland

I should say that the bottom of the t-stat housing is level with the bottom
of the intake manifold.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Bill Beyer
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, July 05, 1999 7:28 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351M/351 Cleveland


>The t-stat is level with the intake on the Ms so if it has a big block bolt
>pattern it's a 351M/400.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jason & Kathy Kendrick
>To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>Date: Monday, July 05, 1999 1:33 AM
>Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351M/351 Cleveland
>
>
>>I looked at the block tonight, and the thermostat is level with the
>>bottom of the intake. But it has the 335/385 series bellhousing pattern.
>>Could it still be a Cleveland?



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Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 08:34:20 -0600
From: "Grady M. Shock"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - T-18 or NP 435

Guys & Gals,
I have a 78 F-150 400 & non snycro 4 on the floor. My assumption was
that it was a T-18. Just looked it up on
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://.medicine.wisc.edu/~mrm/bronco/ftvin.cgi and it said I have an NP
435. So my question is what is the difference between the two trannys? Also
what trannys mount to a 400 auto & manual.
Thanks,
- -Grady Shock

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Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 08:45:01 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - T-18 or NP 435

As far as autos go the C6 is the only one I know of on the big block pattern
400s.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

- -----Original Message-----
From: Grady M. Shock
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, July 05, 1999 8:37 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - T-18 or NP 435


>Guys & Gals,
> I have a 78 F-150 400 & non snycro 4 on the floor. My assumption was
>that it was a T-18. Just looked it up on
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://.medicine.wisc.edu/~mrm/bronco/ftvin.cgi and it said I have an NP
>435. So my question is what is the difference between the two trannys? Also
>what trannys mount to a 400 auto & manual.



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Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 13:55:02 EDT
From: TWL1911 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Mild RV cam for a 352

Hey
i have never really decked outa ford motor because my buddy showed me how on
a ch*v*. but anyways he was saying that if i but a mild rv cam in my 352 it
should up the horse power and tourqe. im plan on getting one but i would like
a few suggestions on which kind i should get. my truck spends a fair amount
of time idleing so it has to have a smooth enought idle. plus i need lots of
tourqe because come fall ill be pulling grain wagons. any info is apreciated
thanks
Travis
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Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 14:16:31 EDT
From: SevnD2 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351M/351 Cleveland

The 351cleveland uses a 335 series block . The The 385 series block is for
the 429 and 460 and the bellhousing bolt pattern for them is the same as the
351M and the 400 . Here are some measurements I took on my 351 cleveland :
top 2 bolts are 5 -1/16 apart , the left ( drivers side ) from top to bottom
are 6 - 9/16 and then 3 - 5/8 . The right side ( Passenger side ) from top to
bottom : 5 - 7/8 and then 3 - 1/8 . These are just rough measurements without
bieng exact but close enough to figure out what the engine you have is or is
not .
Hope this helps .
Rollie.

5-1/16
o o
5-7/8 6-9/16
o o
3-1/8 3-5/8
o 16" o
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Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 13:31:55 -0500
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - T-18 or NP 435

At 08:34 AM 7/5/99 -0600, you wrote:
>Guys & Gals,
> I have a 78 F-150 400 & non snycro 4 on the floor. My assumption was
>that it was a T-18. Just looked it up on
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://.medicine.wisc.edu/~mrm/bronco/ftvin.cgi and it said I have an NP
>435. So my question is what is the difference between the two trannys? Also
>what trannys mount to a 400 auto & manual.

Grady,

Only first gear is not synchroed in an NP 435, not sure about a T-18.
Anyone??
The NP 435 should have reverse over to the right and down.
T-18 should have reverse over to the left and up. I think there were a
few T-18's
that had the same shift pattern as an NP 435 but I have never seen one like
that. I may be way off here. Anyone??

They are both bullet proof and super tuff tranny's. I prefer the NP 435
myself but would take a free T-18 in a second.

Both tranny's would mount to a 400 if you have the right bell housing.

Good Luck,

Stu
Nuke GM!
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/stu

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Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 13:24:53 -0700
From: "Dan Duke"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - T-19

Mark Flynn writes:

Tranny:
I'm still trying to locate a reasonably priced T19, (fully sync'd 4spd
with 5:11 1st). They seem to be pretty rare. Basically; I need to fix
the NP435 I now have (2nd doesn't sync); so I'd rather put the money
into a more drivable manual tranny, (can't convince myself to put in an
automatic).

I've heard that the T19 was used in '80 to '87 F250s and F300s. Does
this sound right, or does anyone know of a source on the West coast that
would accept a NP435 core, for a T19? Or for that matter; has anyone
done this swap before?


Let me check the local Mini-Merchant because I remember seeing an ad for
a guy that sold rebuilt T-18 & 19's. He did want the same back for a core
though if I remember right. As for your swap, I'm not sure about. I was
considering the same swap for my T-18 because it has 318k original miles.
(still works and handles what I give it though)
Although, after 20 years of shifting I'm starting to lean towards an auto
when the time comes.
Anyway if I find anything out I'll let you know.

Dan Duke
'70 F250 Camper Special mine now, but always "My Dad's Truck"
'81 Jeep Wagoneer Ltd.
Modesto CA








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Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 15:52:29 -0500
From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Mild RV cam for a 352

TWL1911 aol.com wrote:
>
> Hey
> i have never really decked outa ford motor because my buddy showed me how on
> a ch*v*. but anyways he was saying that if i but a mild rv cam in my 352 it
> should up the horse power and tourqe. im plan on getting one but i would like
> a few suggestions on which kind i should get. my truck spends a fair amount
> of time idleing so it has to have a smooth enought idle. plus i need lots of
> tourqe because come fall ill be pulling grain wagons. any info is apreciated
> thanks
> Travis
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I'd try something like a Comp Cam 260H. You should be able to use new
stock Ford valve springs without worrying about coil bind or not enough
spring pressure. Always use new lifters with a new cam.
It'll give a smooth idle, with good low to midrange torque increase.
Throttle response will be good. However, with the multitude of cam
manufacturers out there, you have quite a few choices to work with. Talk
with other people and see what they've used and you might even call a
couple cam companies and talk with their tech department. Good luck!
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Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 15:26:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dan Lee
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: The Stumbler

John,

It sounds like spark to me. Check your plugs or just
change them. Be sure they are gapped right.

Dan Lee
'53 F100
351C-4V

> Subject: FTE 61-79 - The Stumbler
>
> 1967 F100 w/300 I-6. Had it tuned wonderfully using
> vacuum guages (great
> advice from this group) Ran super for a couple of
> weeks. All of a sudden it
> has started to stumble at acceleration, REALLY
> stumble. Have rechecked
> timing, plug wires, looked for loose plugs. Where do
> I look first (next)?
> Thanks,
> John
> Our Savior Lutheran Church
> 1101 Old Cleburne Road
> Granbury, TX 76048
> (817) 573-5011

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Do You Yahoo!?

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Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 15:38:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dan Lee
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 351M/351 Cleveland

They easy way to tell is to put the pedal to the
metal. If you hear wheels squealing its a Cleveland.
My Cleveland has a vertical bolt pattern on the fuel
pump mount.
I am looking for a shorty dipstick for a rear sump oil
pan for a 351M/400. If you could supply a part #, or
year/model #, so I can order one that will be fine.

Dan Lee
'53 F100
351C-4V


>Hey guys, is there any way to tell the difference
>between a 351M and a
>Cleveland, just be looking at the outside?

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Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 19:02:07 -0500
From: jpit mail.cei.net
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 65 transmission

My 65 F-100 has a 240 with three on the tree. I have been driving it
daily
> for the last year and a half without major problems.
>
> Most everything is original. This past weekend, a strange problem
occurred.
> It felt like the transmission was skipping or maybe jumping in 2nd and
3rd gear.
> It was very brief and I'm pretty sure it was the transmission and not
the
> clutch. It did not affect the truck's mobility but it is something I
want to
> repair if possible. If this the beginning of a major problem? It is
my understanding the transmission was rebuilt
> several years ago. (Don't know for sure.)
>
> This has never happened during the time I have been driving, however
the gear
> shift has stuck in neutral between first and second a couple of
times. How
> can this be repaired?
>
> Any suggestions on either problem will be appreciated.
>

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Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 17:13:42 -0700
From: "Steven Salas"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: The Stumbler

John asked about what would make his truck stumble upon acceleration. I
would check the carbureter accelerator pump. To do this, (with engine not
running of course) look down carb throat and actuate throttle. You should
get fuel squirting out the instant you move the throttle. If this is not
happening you may need to adjust or repair the accelerator pump. You didn't
say if your truck was stumbling other than on acceleration so this may or
may not help you. If it is only on acceleration, this would be the first
thing I would check. Best Regards, Steve



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Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 20:31:14 EDT
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Copper Header Gaskets

Has anyone used copper exhaust manifold gaskets for their headers?

Just curious what the experience has been...

CJ
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Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 20:00:24 -0700
From: "Danger"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Jet Size for Holley 390 cfm on 300 I-6

> I need to fabricate/buy a transmission kick-down set-up. Any
> suggestions?
..........

Shouldn't you be able to buy a 'Ford AT kickdown kit' for most Holley's?
Perhaps you might be able to buy an entire carb with the linkage you need
from the salvage yard for about the same price as the kit. Removing the
throttle plates in order to get the throttle shaft out can be a bit tricky
because the phillips head screws have been peened at the tips which makes
them difficult to remove. It would be a good idea to peen the tips of the
screws after assembly so you don't risk them coming loose and falling into
the engine.


Danger





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Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 20:19:19 -0700
From: "Danger"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Copper Header Gaskets

> Has anyone used copper exhaust manifold gaskets for their headers?
>
> Just curious what the experience has been...
>
> CJ
................

I've used Copper-Spray-A-Gasket on cylinder head and exhaust gaskets by
adding a thin coat to the gasket and have never had a problem with them.


Danger



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Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 20:28:22 -0700
From: "Danger"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - T-18 or NP 435

> Only first gear is not synchroed in an NP 435, not sure about a T-18.
> Anyone??
> The NP 435 should have reverse over to the right and down.
> T-18 should have reverse over to the left and up. I think there were a
> few T-18's
> that had the same shift pattern as an NP 435 but I have never seen one
like
> that. I may be way off here. Anyone??
> Stu
...........

I've got a 69 F250 with T18 and 1st is not sychronized. Reverse is to
the right and up.


1 3 R

2 4

Um... what is the difference between a T-19 and a NP 435? Which is the best
(bullet proof) standard trans for a 460 in a mid 70's F-series?....

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