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61-79-list-digest Monday, July 5 1999 Volume 03 : Number 234



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - 360 long block
FTE 61-79 - engine swap
FTE 61-79 - The Stumbler
Re: FTE 61-79 - 360 long block
FTE 61-79 - 429/460 stuff
Re: FTE 61-79 - Found Dana 60 front...
FTE 61-79 - 351M/351 Cleveland
Re: FTE 61-79 - 351M/351 Cleveland
FTE 61-79 - C-6 Transmission slippage
FTE 61-79 - RE: 360 Long Block
Re: FTE 61-79 - 351M/351 Cleveland
FTE 61-79 - Great Parts Site
Re: FTE 61-79 - 351M/351 Cleveland
Re: FTE 61-79 - 351M/351 Cleveland
Re: FTE 61-79 - 351M/351 Cleveland
Re: FTE 61-79 - 351M/351 Cleveland
FTE 61-79 - '78 351W headers
FTE 61-79 - San Antonio Junk Yards
FTE 61-79 - FE to 300 swap
FTE 61-79 - Cummins B series swap
Re: FTE 61-79 - Texas truck for sale!
Re: FTE 61-79 - '78 351W headers
Re: FTE 61-79 - 289/302 parts interchange
Re: FTE 61-79 - 289/302 interchangability
Re: FTE 61-79 - Wanted: '79 brake rotors, drums, 460 parts
Re: FTE 61-79 - My NEW TOY
Re: FTE 61-79 - 429/460 stuff
Re: FTE 61-79 - 351M/351 Cleveland
Re: FTE 61-79 - 351M/351 Cleveland
Re: FTE 61-79 - Cummins B motor in 79 Ford pickup

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Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 04:17:23 -0700
From: "Danger"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 360 long block

> Well, I am about to get started. While not much experience in mechanics. I
> am about to attempt to replace the long block in my 1972 f150, 360 2 bbl.
in
> the backyard, between two trees and using an old 1/2 ton chain hoist,
(its
> all I have access to). I must admit to a lot of apprehension in this
> project. At the same time I can't wait to get started. Anyone have any
hints
> for me? Danger signs? Or just good common sense? know of any good books
> available for this project. Everything is going to go back as original as
I
> can. I have thought about using a chilton's truck manual, (if I can find
> one).
> Darrell
> dunn direclynx.net
...........

Two trees and a hoist would allow you to easily remove the engine, but I
wouldn't want to install one like that. An engine hoist with load leveler
(on a hard level surface) would make the job much easier, and could be
rented when you're ready. Spend a little extra time to label things with
tape (wires, hoses, etc) when removing the old engine because it really
makes assembly much easier. If you can't afford to buy a book, then borrow
one from the library as it could save you a lot of time, work, and money. A
Chilton would help but Steve Christ's book "How to Rebuild Big-Block Ford
Engined" with ISBN # "0-89586-070-8" would probably be more useful.


Danger
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Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 05:24:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: rich may
Subject: FTE 61-79 - engine swap

I currently have a 1976 F-250 with a rebuilt 390 out of a 1968 mustang
and I was wondering if I could put a 1989 460 in it's place. The 460 is
fuel injected and would be alot better in this t

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Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 07:37:20 -0500
From: "John R. Austin"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - The Stumbler

1967 F100 w/300 I-6. Had it tuned wonderfully using vacuum guages (great
advice from this group) Ran super for a couple of weeks. All of a sudden it
has started to stumble at acceleration, REALLY stumble. Have rechecked
timing, plug wires, looked for loose plugs. Where do I look first (next)?
Thanks,
John
Our Savior Lutheran Church
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Granbury, TX 76048
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Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 04:36:57 -0700
From: Dennis Dellinger
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 360 long block

Anyone have any hints
for me? Danger signs? Or just good common sense?

Hi Darrell
I would also suggest that you remove the radiator, fan and hood (scribe
around the hinges with an awl). If you are not going to pull the trans
with the engine make sure it is supported. You didn't mention the type
of trans but if it's a manual change out the clutch and if it's an auto
make sure to change the front seal.
Dennis Dellinger

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Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 09:09:14 -0500 (CDT)
From: Rubberducky23 webtv.net (Danny Ling)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 429/460 stuff

I'm building a 429 to take the place of the aging 400M in my 77 F250
Hiboy 4X4. I'm looking for a rear sump oil pan. I found a couple in
catalogs but they want $250+ for them. I dont need anything that fancy.
I'm also looking for fenderwell exit headers for the same motor. If
anyone has any of this stuff ot knows where to get it fairly
inexpensively please reply it wil be greatly appreciated.
Thank you for your time,
Danny Ling

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Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 08:20:22 -0700
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Found Dana 60 front...

FORDTRKNUT aol.com wrote:

> I went "Bone yarding" today (Saturday) here in Northern New Jersey. I came
> across another Dana 60 Front axel in a 1978 F-250. The guy who runs the
> junkyard said that he will sell the pair for $400.00 (Dana 60 Front & rear).

snip...


There's an idea I could fly out and get a renta-a-truck, buy two sets, drive
back to California, Sell 1 set and have every thing paid for. Now if I only had
the time off work.....

Happy 4th
- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net
99 Contour
63 F-100 4x4


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Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 11:03:22 -0500
From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 351M/351 Cleveland

Hey guys, is there any way to tell the difference between a 351M and a
Cleveland, just be looking at the outside?
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Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 12:41:31 EDT
From: SevnD2 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351M/351 Cleveland

Yes ! the fastest and easiest way I know is to look at the area on the top of
the
block where the thermostat housing bolts to the block . If it's a cleveland
then this area is the same height as the area where the manifold sets on the
block . If it's a 351 M or 400 then the area under the manifold will be about
an inch taller than where the thermostat sets on the block . Thats all you
need to look at !
Hope this helps .
R.H.Hunt
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Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 12:01:19 -0500
From: "Jason Merritt"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - C-6 Transmission slippage

This is only my second question to the list, so please bear with me. The
other day I was driving around by one of our local lakes in my 70 f-100
(w/390 and C-6) mostly speeds under 10 miles per hour, when the transmission
started slipping something awful. I managed to get it back to the main road
and call a freind of mine to tow me home. When we got to my house I put it
in gear to try to put it in the driveway and it went in like there was no
problem. I smelled the fluid and it does not smell burnt and it looks good
also. I wonder if I have the tranny to full of fluid or if the fluid
overheated or both. Could someone please tell me where the fluid should read
on the dipstick when it is cold and when it is hot? and should it read lower
when cold and higher when hot? my last question is, I currently have type F
fluid in it, but my dad had a 77 with a C-6 and he said that I should use
Dexron. If you guys and gals could help me out it would be greatly
appreciated as I dont want to have to rebuild this transmission unless I
have to.


Thank You in advance for all of your help. I really love all the great
information from this site.

Thank You,
Jason
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Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 13:11:11 -0400
From: "George W. Selby, III"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: 360 Long Block

This shuld be a pain, getting the engine lined up carrectly is already a
pain with a cherry picker type hoist that you can move around, much less a
hoist you have to move the vehicle around the engine. I would recommend
several friends when installing the engine, and make sure you keep your
hands away from between the engine and anything that an crush them.. Then
engine can get hung up on the frame and seem to be supported, but nudge it
and it goes a swinging, and it's to heavy your you tostop swinging, so
don't try.

George Selby
78 F-150 400M, 4 on floor, 4x4
86 Audi 4000CS Quattro
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Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 11:09:02 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351M/351 Cleveland

The 351M/400 also has a 1 inch high "web" extending straight out from the
manifold just to the left of the distributor.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

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From: SevnD2 aol.com
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Sunday, July 04, 1999 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351M/351 Cleveland


>Yes ! the fastest and easiest way I know is to look at the area on the top
of
>the
>block where the thermostat housing bolts to the block . If it's a cleveland
>then this area is the same height as the area where the manifold sets on
the
>block . If it's a 351 M or 400 then the area under the manifold will be
about
>an inch taller than where the thermostat sets on the block . Thats all you
>need to look at !



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Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 15:07:05 -0400
From: William A Whited
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Great Parts Site

Hey, www.wrenchead.com lets you search for parts
without having to know the part number. It's very
similar to the computers most of the part stores use:
year; make; model; engine; so forth and so on.

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William A Whited
74 F100 RANGER SUPERCAB 390
77 F100 CUSTOM FLAIRSIDE 302
79 F100 EXPLORER SUPERCAB 302 (PARTS TRUCK)
"IT DON'T GTMO BETTER THEN THIS, SEMPER FI"


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Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 15:53:12 -0400
From: Tony Marino
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351M/351 Cleveland

Just for own personal curiosity-- I had thought I heard somewhere down the line
that the two bolts that hold the fuel pump on a Cleveland are vertical, and the
ones on a Modified are horizontal? Or was that vise versa....

Tony
tony pscico.com
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/~tony

Bill Beyer wrote:

> The 351M/400 also has a 1 inch high "web" extending straight out from the
> manifold just to the left of the distributor.
>
> "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SevnD2 aol.com
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Date: Sunday, July 04, 1999 9:43 AM
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351M/351 Cleveland
>
> >Yes ! the fastest and easiest way I know is to look at the area on the top
> of
> >the
> >block where the thermostat housing bolts to the block . If it's a cleveland
> >then this area is the same height as the area where the manifold sets on
> the
> >block . If it's a 351 M or 400 then the area under the manifold will be
> about
> >an inch taller than where the thermostat sets on the block . Thats all you
> >need to look at !
>
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Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 16:29:18 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351M/351 Cleveland

Well the ones that hold the pump on my 400 are vertical.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

- -----Original Message-----
From: Tony Marino
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Sunday, July 04, 1999 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351M/351 Cleveland


>Just for own personal curiosity-- I had thought I heard somewhere down the
line
>that the two bolts that hold the fuel pump on a Cleveland are vertical, and
the
>ones on a Modified are horizontal? Or was that vise versa....



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Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 23:02:28 EDT
From: SevnD2 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351M/351 Cleveland

I have a cleveland and the fuel pump bolts are vertical . As far as I know
the 351 M and the 400 use the same pattern as the cleveland . The 302 has the
horizontal pattern for it's fuel pump .
Rollie .
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Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 23:09:26 -0400
From: Tony Marino
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351M/351 Cleveland

Ok, thanks-- I couldn't remember if that was an identifying aspect of it or
not-- but figured if it was, it would be one more thing that could be
easily seen to add to the list. Thanks!

Tony
tony pscico.com
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/~tony

At 11:02 PM 7/4/99 -0400, you wrote:
>I have a cleveland and the fuel pump bolts are vertical . As far as I know
>the 351 M and the 400 use the same pattern as the cleveland . The 302 has the
>horizontal pattern for it's fuel pump .
>Rollie .
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Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 23:07:45 EDT
From: BScott5766 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - '78 351W headers

Hello fella's!!!
My brother and I are beginning to rebuild (frame-up) his '78 F-100.
We are changing from the 302 to a hopped-up 351W. Does anyone know of a good
source for full length headers for this application? Would prefer to be
stainless. We both have 5.0 Mustangs with full lengths, and the coating on
them started flaking off after about 5k miles or so. I believe they are HTP
coated. Does anyone know of a better coating? Any help would be greatly
appreciated. Thank's in advance guy's (and gal's), you're the greatest.

Brian Scott
'79 F-150
'92 Mustang 5.0
'88 Mustang (soon to be 351W/C4)
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Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 21:30:02 -0500
From: "Brett L. Habben"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - San Antonio Junk Yards

Subject: FTE 61-79 - San Antonio Bone Yard
Tim,
Are you referring to John's in Seguin? It's couple miles South of Seguin
on 123, then East a couple miles up a farm road. There are signs on 123
directing you.
John's Salvage: 830-379-2092
Happy Hunting!
Brett in Spicewood, TX
'75 F100 Supercab

>Someone about a week or so ago mentioned a junk yard for old Ford truck
>just north of San Antonio. Can you forward an address, phone number,
>E-mail and/or directions for it. Thanx.
>Tim (66F100 Custom Cab, SWB, 352, power steering & overdrive)

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Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 22:18:00 -0500
From: "Brett L. Habben"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FE to 300 swap

Folks,
After 276,000 miles the crank snapped in my '75 390 F100. (A moment of
silence please; RIP FE 390). I'm contemplating replacing the 390/C6 with
a 300 six/stick OD setup, and had a couple of questions:
1.) Do I have to change the frame mounts, and if so what year range will
work, and does that include vans (E100's)?
2.) Do I have to change the tranny crossmember, and if so what year range
will work, and does that include vans (E100's)?
3.) What years clutch pedals and linkages will work?
4.) Is the T&C (toploader; Mexican overdrive) 4spd OD any good, and if
not what manual OD is better behind the 300?
Economics are driving the decision process. The reason I ask about vans
is that my favorite yard is full of E100/300 sixes and the parts are
cheap . Thanks for any 300 tips,
Brett in Spicewood, TX.
'75 not so Supercab F100

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Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 22:03:27 -0500
From: "Brett L. Habben"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Cummins B series swap

Subject: FTE 61-79 - Cummins B motor in 79 Ford pickup
James,
This is a swap I've looked into. I found my scribbled notes, and I
believe Powermark LTD., in Indiana made all the repower parts, but has
since gone out of business. National Fleet Supply picked up their
remaining inventory (317-289-2823). I don't know what they have left. B
series swaps are an excellant choice. A mechanic at Freighliner of
Austin stuck a 4BTA in a Bronco. Womack Diesel Service in Seguin, TX.
(830-303-2755) still does custom B-series repowers. The trickiest part
is mating it up to a bellhousing. The B-series block has a separate
bolt on transmission adapter, that can be had in a variety of
configurations like SAE #2, #3, Chev, Ford, and two different Dodge
configurations. Best bet is to rob everything fan-to-tranny-yoke off
the Dodge. As far as other parts sources, the B-series is incredibly
popular and has ended up powering everthing from tractors to boats to
generator sets to air compressors, so don't overlook tractor, industrial,
tractor, marine, etc. salvage yards for bracketry, parts, etc.
Good Luck!
Brett in Spicewood, TX
'75 Supercab F100
PS. Anybody know where I can find a Cummins 4BTA or Deutz BF4L913?

>Has anyone on the list ever put a Cummins B motor (Straight 6 like D*dg*

>uses) in a 73 - 79 ford Pickup? Or know of someone who has?
>I have a 1979 Ford 3/4 ton Crew cab pickup that I picked up at a
wrecking
>yard, and a Cummins B motor out of a 1990 D*dg* pickup. I was hoping to

>buy some kind of kit from Cummins, but I am told nothing is available.
> Although I will fabricate motor mounts if necessary, I was hoping
someone
>had already done that.
>Thanks for any help
>James L. Wiley
>Wiley Tarleton.edu


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Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 23:43:45 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Texas truck for sale!

i have seen some long bed step sides, there is a 78 f150 4x4 for sale localy
it has a lwb step bed.

jeff grant
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Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 20:47:15 -0700
From: "James A. Doty"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '78 351W headers

Hi there:

I've got a '78 E-150 w/351W. Last year I put on a set of ceramic
coated Dynomax headers. I commute an average of 50 miles a day and
they still look good.

At 11:07 PM 7/4/99 EDT, you wrote:
>Hello fella's!!!
> My brother and I are beginning to rebuild (frame-up) his '78 F-100.
>We are changing from the 302 to a hopped-up 351W. Does anyone know of a
good
>source for full length headers for this application? Would prefer to be
>stainless. We both have 5.0 Mustangs with full lengths, and the coating on
>them started flaking off after about 5k miles or so. I believe they are HTP
>coated.
=========================
James A. Doty
Technology Aide
Woodland School District
dotyj earthlink.net
www.moselle.com/~jamesd
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Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 23:48:12 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 289/302 parts interchange

the very early 289 and 260's used a different bell housing, most people think
it was the 260 only, but i had a 289 in once that had the 5 bolt bellhousing.

jeff grant
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Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 23:51:20 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 289/302 interchangability

i have a c4 bellhousing for a 351m,400,429 or 460 if anybody wants it, but
you have to spend some bucks to beef up the tranny. drag racers run c4's
behind big motors due to being so light weight.

jeff grant
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Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 00:11:57 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Wanted: '79 brake rotors, drums, 460 parts

rotors aren't too bad new. i had to replace one thanks to my two year old
helper. i must tell this story, so it maybe long. but i'm sure it may get a
chuckle or two.

when changing my 78 f150 4x4 from automatic to granny 4 speed, i did
everything right. put in a centerforce stage three clutch (the one with the
centrifugal weights on it) when i first drove it at slower speeds i heard
this weird clanging noise, similar to a chain. i looked all under the truck,
no signs of anything. so i continued to drive it for a few days, i had
determined it was those weights on the clutch, boy was i frustrated. after
about three days of this, i noticed the front wheel trying to grab and the
noise seemed to come and go. so immediately when i got home. once again i got
under the truck, looked at all drive line parts, still saw nothing, but when
i started getting out from under the truck i noticed a bolt head inside the
wheel, i pulled the wheel and found an assortment of nuts and bolts, a busted
rotor and a chewed up wheel, all compliments of a darling two year old son
wanting to help daddy.
this is the same son that stuck a couple of screw drivers up the exhaust
pipe of my mustang. now he's about to turn five (july 13) and he is getting
an interest in cars and trucks. he always wants to ride in the old ford truck
or the mustang.

jeff grant

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Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 00:25:31 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - My NEW TOY

is the centurion for sale?

jeff grant
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Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 00:34:17 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 429/460 stuff

go to ford and buy an oil pan for a 78-79 e350 van with a 460, when i bought
mine it cost about $100.00 for the pan, dip stick tube and oil pick up. but
that was many years ago.

jeff grant
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Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 00:37:34 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351M/351 Cleveland

351c has a small block bellhousing pattern, you could measure the difference,
the 351 m has the 429-460 pattern, maybe someone on the list has those
measurements, i can tell the difference by looking at front of the engine but
can't explain to you how to tell.

jeff grant
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Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 00:39:47 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351M/351 Cleveland

i have seen modifieds without the web you are speaking of. the one that came
out of my truck didn't have it for some reason.

jeff grant
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Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 07:36:33 +0200
From: "Bill Brox"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Cummins B motor in 79 Ford pickup

Hi all,

How much does this Cummins B engine weights compared to a FT engine ?

Last friday I went to the local Ford dealer and there was the new Ford
Ranger pickup with turbodiesel and intercooler, 109 hp, and the mileage
around 37 mpg and that's on a 4x4 truck..... huh...

What would the next be, give them a bottle of gas to smell on, and drive
for 100 miles..... lol

Bill Brox


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