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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - First MPG Test Results
Re: FTE 61-79 - Diesel in '66
FTE 61-79 - Tony's New Toy From Montana!!!
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: 78 Ranger Lariat door panels
Re: FTE 61-79 - Truck
Re: FTE 61-79 - Truck
Re: FTE 61-79 - First MPG Test Results
FTE 61-79 - Re: Truck (side trim)
Re: FTE 61-79 - 73-79 Fleetside boxes
Re: FTE 61-79 - First MPG Test Results
Re: FTE 61-79 - First MPG Test Results
Re: FTE 61-79 - First MPG Test Results
RE: FTE 61-79 - 73-79 Fleetside boxes
FTE 61-79 - 460 hp
RE: FTE 61-79 - 73-79 Fleetside boxes
Re: FTE 61-79 - Is this a myth?
Re: FTE 61-79 - First MPG Test Results
FTE 61-79 - White Wheel Color Code
Re: FTE 61-79 - First MPG Test Results
FTE 61-79 - adding trim
Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 hp
FTE 61-79 - RE: Brake howl & Fiberglass beds
Re: FTE 61-79 - White Wheel Color Code
FTE 61-79 - Re: Lots of spare parts
FTE 61-79 - L & R motormounts
FTE 61-79 - FE HP blocks
Re: FTE 61-79 - C6 Transmission
Re: FTE 61-79 - Growling while in 4WD
Re: FTE 61-79 - Hand turning engine
Re: FTE 61-79 - Headers
Re: FTE 61-79 - OD
Re: FTE 61-79 - Tranny Question
Re: FTE 61-79 - Brakes and wheel cylinders.
Re: FTE 61-79 - batteries was hot starting problems
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE:4spd/auto
Re: FTE 61-79 - Headers
FTE 61-79 - 4x4 usage
Re: FTE 61-79 - First MPG Test Results
Re: FTE 61-79 - Headers
Re: FTE 61-79 - Hand turning engine
Re: FTE 61-79 - 4x4 usage
Re: FTE 61-79 - 4x4 usage
FTE 61-79 - I AM SO SCARED!!!!!!!
FTE 61-79 - Back-up lights
Re: FTE 61-79 - First MPG Test Results
Re: FTE 61-79 - First MPG Test Results
Re: FTE 61-79 - Deacon
Re: FTE 61-79 - Back-up lights
FTE 61-79 - Midwest Fender
Re: FTE 61-79 - Back-up lights
Re: FTE 61-79 - overdrive
Re: FTE 61-79 - Truck
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Lots of spare parts
FTE 61-79 - 429 Crank specs
FTE 61-79 - backup light switch
FTE 61-79 - 390 Vacuum Advance

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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 05:08:41 -0700
From: "Danger"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - First MPG Test Results

After traveling 378 miles breaking in a new 390 with 10:1 compression in
my 69 F250 with 4bbl Holley C6 and 3.73 gears, I stopped to get gas and was
surprised when I only needed 28.3 gallons which works out to 13.35 MPG. It
would be interesting to compare the data on MPG that some of the list
members have gathered on these heavy F-series trucks.

What effect would headers have on MPG and the compression ratio compared
to the stock manifold? I was also thinking of installing a set of Hooker
Competition headers along with a high flow dual exhaust that exited behind
the rear tires at an angle and wanted to know what effect those changes
should have on everything else. The truck now has stock exhaust manifolds
and a dual exhaust exiting in front of the rear tires.


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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 08:02:28 EDT
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Diesel in '66

In a message dated 6/30/99 9:17:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, temple carol.net
writes:

> The owner's manual of my '66 F-350 indicates also that a diesel was an
option.
>
>
I think if you look closer you will see that your manual also covers the P
series trucks. To my knowledge that is what the diesel was for not the
F-series.


Stock Man
1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible (in need of factory rims)
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
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Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 08:58:14 -0400
From: Tony Marino
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Tony's New Toy From Montana!!!

It has arrived everybody!!!

My truck from Montana was hauled into Akron, Ohio yesterday afternoon. I'm
so excited I can hardly stand myself. As some of you know, I bought this
truck SIGHT UNSEEN-- a '76 F-250 Explorer 4x4 with a 360 and a 4spd.
Well, I'm going to keep my story short on the newsgroup posting for those
of you who could care less, and as soon as pictures get developed will add
the whole thing to my web page. (along with that 300-6 stuff I STILL have
to do!) ;-)

I'll give you some of the skinny though-- It was worth the money--
all-in-all I have $2500 invested ($1600 for the truck, $900 for shipping)
and here in Ohio, I could probably resell it for around $4,000 bucks with
some work.

Body:
It has a PERFECT RUST FREE cab, doors, inner fenders, and hood. Beds
pretty well shot, outer front fenders are munched.

Driveline/Frame:
Dana-44 HD front, Dana-60 Rear, 4:10's, Divorced NP205 transfer, NP435
tranny, stock rims and tires. The funny part was this-- I was crawling
around under it checking universals once I got the chance, and pulled on
the transfer case to move myself under the truck and was able to swing the
transfer case back and forth on it's mount about 2 inches...Gee, wonder why
all the driveshafts are bad....8-( Scary huh? On the other hand, the
frame on this bad boy (yes, it's a boy Stu!!) is absolutely perfect, and
tracks straight down the road. Never been wrecked, never twisted.

Engine--
Ok, who wants to trade a 360 for an Inline-6? I'm NOT JOKING!!!! So the
truck arrives and it's not running. I knew it didn't run, the lady had
told me that it had an ignition problem, so on a whim, I picked up a Wells
ignition module for it. 12 minutes after the truck had arrived, I got it
started. This is where the most of my fun began... Sitting there getting
the truck to idle and being overjoyed that it DID run, I noticed a little
smoke coming out of the tailpipe.. Ok, sure, no problem. About 2 more
minutes of the motor running and I couldn't see my other truck that was
parked 10 feet away from me!!! This motor could spray an entire county
for bugs if you just keep feeding it oil!!! I popped the hood and pulled
out the EGR valve and watched it chug smoke out of the valve cover just
like a choo-choo-train... Laughing my off, I
turned it off and let the haze float away... Compression? Rings? What
rings!!!! Hehehe... Gotta love burned up motors. It didn't knock, but
I'm scared to open it up.

Well, to sum it all up, the truck is at home awaiting a motor transplant
from either one of my other trucks, or I'm contemplating how much the
cheapest rebuild would be (if it's possible) on that 360. I can get a
crate motor for about $1,200 bucks (or maybe Wish's old one for slightly
cheaper!), so I have to weigh the options. I would really like to have a
300 in it (blasphemy, I know!) but if I can get away with rebuilding the
360 for the same price, I'll keep it with an 8. They just sound cooler!

I have to say MANY THANKS to Dave Henderson, Colorado Jeff, Idaho Jeff,
Bill Hart, Ian, Stoney, and Ed Saunders for trying to help me get this
truck across America-- Should things work out with it come late fall, I
wouldn't mind hopping in it at all and coming down, over and up to see all
you guys! I really appreciated it. ;-)

Tony
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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 09:10:03 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: 78 Ranger Lariat door panels

In a message dated 6/30/99 8:35:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
1SHOCK prodigy.net writes:


thinking) ? >>
Only thing you can do is check. Ya never know what they are gonna have. I
know the dealers here in Vegas stock some of this stuff, as a lot of people
are still buying it. Good luck.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 09:17:32 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Truck

In a message dated 6/30/99 9:55:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
IanBoss69 aol.com writes:


can
it be attached by some other means? >>

The trim is held on by clips, either metal or nylon. I would think you could
just screw the clips on, but you would be putting holes in your bed. I tell
ya though, it looks sharp. That long piece down the side, and the ones for
the cab are the ONLY pieces that are staying on my truck. I dont like the
bottom trim, or the stuff for the fender wells. Ok so I lied. Im also
keeping the big chrome FORD piece for the tailgate. But thats for pure
egotistical reasons.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 08:44:39 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Truck

> I dont like the
>bottom trim, or the stuff for the fender wells.

Which bottom trim do you have ? The wide chrome strips on the very bottom
like I've got ? If so, what kind of shape are yours in ? Mine have holes
drilled randomly to replace clips that fell out and such, I'd really like
to get a good set of lower trim ... I see that LMC offers the very rear
pieces, but they don't list any of the other stuff ...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 08:49:12 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - First MPG Test Results

> What effect would headers have on MPG and the compression ratio compared
>to the stock manifold?

The headers shouldn't affect the compression ratio at all. But they will
cause your mpg to drop, not because of any lost efficiency (it should
actually go up), but because you won't be able to keep your foot out of it :)


I was also thinking of installing a set of Hooker
>Competition headers along with a high flow dual exhaust that exited behind
>the rear tires at an angle and wanted to know what effect those changes
>should have on everything else. The truck now has stock exhaust manifolds
>and a dual exhaust exiting in front of the rear tires.
>
You will notice a huge power increase if you do this, not to mention a bit
louder because of less restriction. One thing though, if you have a 4x4
(don't remember), its likely that the header on the driver's side will hang
down ... some people don't like the look, other's do ... I don't have any
good pics of it, but a 2wd this isn't a problem because you don't have to
go under the xfer case ...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 06:51:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: draco pacifier.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Truck (side trim)

ian wrote:
> i was thinking, blue on the bottom and white on top,

Blue and white is probably the most popular combination around
here.

> does the side trim have to be mounted by drilling holes into
> the body or can it be attached by some other means?

You will have a tough time because the trim is attached to these
little studs that look like they are rivited to the body. They
have heads on them like a nail. There are plastic clips that
go on the trim and slip onto the studs. Take a look the next
time you go to a wrecking yard. I'm sure it could be done, but
it won't be easy. I am talking about the larger trim with the
vinyl strip in it.

By the way, I have seen trucks done with the later two-tone
style, the kind with the race-track trim, without the trim, that
didn't look bad at all. But if you don't do a good taping job
it will look awful.

I suppose you could use some of that trim you can get that
attaches with adhesive, but it wouldn't look original. You
might also have trouble with the small piece just behind the
door that bends around the corner of the cab.


Mark in Southwest Washington
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Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 08:52:18 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 73-79 Fleetside boxes

>I know Midwest Fender makes brand new reproduction boxes(steel) for many
>trucks, getting one soon for my truck, $ 995 for a 79 long-bed, no tailgate
>or light fixtures, but those aren't hard to come by, I can get the number if
>you want, I'd imagine that they ship orders, it's only 5 miles from me though
>so I've never checked out shipping,
>
Hey, can you pass along the contact info on this!!!! I'm definitely
interested ... when they say midwest, where do they mean ? Ohio ? MN? MI?
Sorry Ian, I forgot where you live ...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 09:57:37 -0400
From: James Oxley
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - First MPG Test Results

... I don't have any
> good pics of it, but a 2wd this isn't a problem because you don't have to
> go under the xfer case ...
>

You don't have to go under the transfer. See

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thecore.com/~luxjo/BRONC_DETAILS/under.jpg

It's prob more efficient if you do though.

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Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 09:10:51 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - First MPG Test Results

>You don't have to go under the transfer. See
>
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thecore.com/~luxjo/BRONC_DETAILS/under.jpg
>
>It's prob more efficient if you do though.
>
What are we lookin at here OX ? How did those two header's end up so close
together ? That's almost a worse routing than my truck has ...but yours
hasn't been smashed by the front axle ... :)



Just my 2cents

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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 10:08:10 -0400
From: David Henderson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - First MPG Test Results

WiSH wrote...
>One thing though, if you have a 4x4
>(don't remember), its likely that the header on the driver's side will hang
>down ... some people don't like the look, other's do ... I don't have any
>good pics of it, but a 2wd this isn't a problem because you don't have to
>go under the xfer case ...

Another option would be to drop in a durable, dependable 300 I6. Then ALL of
your exhaust exits from the passenger side ;^)!! Some solutions are just
simple if you think about them enough ;^)

Dave H - Cruising town in my newly awakened 300 I6
"Brownie" 1979 F250 4x4

PS I'll bet all of you V8 guys wish your truck sounded like a Cessna!!

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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 09:20:09 -0500
From: Jeff Lester
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 73-79 Fleetside boxes

I just emailed them last night about some parts, and they promptly
responded this morning. Try the following:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.midwestfender.com/
midwest midwestfender.com

Jeff Lester - La Porte, Texas
78 Ford E350 4x4, 460, C6, NP205, D44/70, 35" BFG MT's
http://www.ford-trucks.com/pictorial/big/1978_e350_1.html

On Thursday, July 01, 1999 8:52 AM, William S Hart [SMTP:wish iastate.edu] wrote:
> >I know Midwest Fender makes brand new reproduction boxes(steel) for many
> >trucks, getting one soon for my truck, $ 995 for a 79 long-bed, no tailgate
> >or light fixtures, but those aren't hard to come by, I can get the number if
> >you want, I'd imagine that they ship orders, it's only 5 miles from me though
> >so I've never checked out shipping,
> >
> Hey, can you pass along the contact info on this!!!! I'm definitely
> interested ... when they say midwest, where do they mean ? Ohio ? MN? MI?
> Sorry Ian, I forgot where you live ...

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Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 09:39:35 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 460 hp

>> Brother John, I think you forgot "seat of the pants" as another
*legitimate* way to measure HP. WOOF

Ok, Stu. How do you tell when you have just the right amount of HP no matter
what method you use to measure it?
1. All you see of any Che#y is the bowtie on the grille in your rear view
mirrors.
2. You get a knot on the back of your head and leave a greasy spot on your
rear glass when you leave the line. (regular cabs only)

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Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 09:46:08 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 73-79 Fleetside boxes

>I just emailed them last night about some parts, and they promptly
>responded this morning. Try the following:
>
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.midwestfender.com/
>midwest midwestfender.com
>

I can't get their site to do anything :( oh well maybe I'll book mark it
for later...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 07:46:36 -0700
From: "Jeff Carver"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Is this a myth?

An article a few months ago in Automobile magazine
profiled a couple of people in Cuba who are making
parts to keep the old vehicles running,
even though it was (for awhile) illegal. One guy
took an old ring to the University, had the material
examined, looked at a lot of stuff and found a pipe
with similar properties and is making rings from it.

Other stories of people using whatever they can to
keep whatever they have running with almost nothing
available. It'e getting easier in the past couple
of years though as the political tensions are
easing.

Jeff
'64 F100 CrewCab


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Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 10:53:01 -0400
From: James Oxley
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - First MPG Test Results

William S Hart wrote:
>
> >You don't have to go under the transfer. See
> >
> >http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thecore.com/~luxjo/BRONC_DETAILS/under.jpg
> >
> >It's prob more efficient if you do though.
> >
> What are we lookin at here OX ?

Uuhhh!!, the underside of my truck, heehee :-) Not sure what your
asking.

>How did those two header's end up so close together ?

They are standard cheapo blackjack headers on my 78 Bronc. Any set of 4
X 4 headers will end up like this, have to get around that front DS.

> That's almost a worse routing than my truck has

It's not the greatest, but it is true duals and it's mostly up out of
the way. Anything under the transfer would be crushed pretty quickly. I
regularly bury myself to the frame or dam near. The headers are higher
than the radius arms, so they are pretty well protected also.

>...but yours hasn't been smashed by the front axle ... :)
>

And they're not gonna be with 8 inches of susp list, although the dana
60 front has made slight contact a possibility if the susp compresses
enough.

See

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Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 07:58:10 -0700
From: "Jeff Carver"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - White Wheel Color Code

I know, I'm getting picky, but as long as I'm
going to paint my wheels the original white, does
anybody know what the paint code would be for the
wheels for a '64 F100? Another FTE list member is
selling me a couple of wheels, very cool, thanks BK.

I found photo in the owners manual showing that the
tires had whitewalls, so that's what I'm gonna do.

Would it be the same color as the interior white?
I can find some of that color if I need to match.

I assume that the white bumpers would be the same
color as the wheels. This truck got a couple of
Earl Scheib paint jobs a couple of decades ago,
so the exterior colors are close, but not exactly
the same.

Jeff
'64 F100 CrewCab


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Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 10:03:27 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - First MPG Test Results

>> What are we lookin at here OX ?
>
>Uuhhh!!, the underside of my truck, heehee :-) Not sure what your
>asking.
>
Sorry, just meaning there wasn't much description of it ...

>>How did those two header's end up so close together ?
>
>They are standard cheapo blackjack headers on my 78 Bronc. Any set of 4
>X 4 headers will end up like this, have to get around that front DS.
>
I don't remember mine ever being that close together ... do you have a
divorced x-case? how about a manual tranny ? with a married x-fer case
and a C6, mine were quite a ways apart ... and you wouldn't be able to
nicely go to the other side as they were already back to the bellhousing
... you'd have had to go under the tranny then ... and you couldn't go over
without a body lift.



Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 10:06:32 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - adding trim

>>does the side trim have to be mounted by drilling holes into the body or can
it be attached by some other means?

Ian,

If you get original equipment trim, you will need to drill holes and get the
plastic clips. Originally the plastic clips hooked under little things like
a rivet head that were part of the fender. When I replaced my door and
fender last year, the door was off of a truck with no trim. I drilled holes
and used aluminum pop rivets to hold the plastic clips in place. There is
also a sheet metal screw in the end of some of the trim. There are also
metal clips with machine threads and a nut at each end of the long trim
pieces. In short, you will need to drill holes if you put real Ford trim on.

Now there is another option. There is a lot of after market trim that glues
on. Personally, I wouldn't use it. In the Texas heat it comes unglued and
falls off. (Honey, a piece of something just fell off the truck. BTW it
wasn't a Ford. truck.)

- -- John
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Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 10:26:43 -0500
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 hp

>>> Brother John, I think you forgot "seat of the pants" as another
>*legitimate* way to measure HP. WOOF
>
>Ok, Stu. How do you tell when you have just the right amount of HP no matter
>what method you use to measure it?

Brother John,

I usually measure it by two methods.

Method Number 1 is always the "Pucker Factor"

(BTW- Tony Marino will testify what the pucker factor of a tornado is, much
like the one he drove into, in West
Tennessee in January on his way to my house) hehehehe

This factor scale is a 1-10 scale with 86 being too much HP. 8^)
Usually experienced by such things as ProStreet Mustangs etc. and John
Force's Funny car.

Not really sure where a 460 falls since it has been many years since I have
driven one but I do know it is up there.

35 on this scale would be a Real 427 Lightweight Galaxie or Fairlane T-Bolt
60 would be a NASCAR F-150 Super Truck prepped by Jack Roush of course.
(truck content) hehehe

Method Number 2 is how long it takes for me to get a nose bleed from the
acceleration an force
of being thrown into my seat or slammed into the side door glass.

Hope this is helpful info.

Stu
Nuke GM!
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>1. All you see of any Che#y is the bowtie on the grille in your rear view
>mirrors.
>2. You get a knot on the back of your head and leave a greasy spot on your
>rear glass when you leave the line. (regular cabs only)

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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 10:26:44 -0500
From: "Desanto, Phillip"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Brake howl & Fiberglass beds

>>>>>>>>

> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999
> From: REvans8341 aol.com
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Howling Brakes
> This is going to sound like a joke, but It's true, cause I can't make
> this stuff up.
________________________________________________________________
> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999
> From: "Weber"
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - 73-79 Fleetside boxes
> Years ago I remember seeing ads for fiberglass boxes. Does anyone still
> make them? I have also heard rumors of new boxes being made, any truth to
> this?
____________________________________________________________________
Hi all-
I'd like to respond to these 2 posts, but couldn't resist the
temptation to respond with.
A. Hey Pal, nobody cares about your dog.
B. Pet questions should be taken to another list.
C. If you have those "dog dish" hubcaps, try removing them.
D. Sounds like a brake booster/ diaphragm leak, but everybody used
that one already !
E. I have a catalog at home from a place in Florida that makes
fiberglass replacement beds and parts, but can't remember the name, I'll
post it when I get it. As was so accurately noted last week....I'm using a
"company" computer right now.

>
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Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 10:30:21 -0500
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - White Wheel Color Code

Jeff,

I talked to a feller who works for Ford in their parts headquarters and I
had posed a similiar
question. His response was the Ford usually used Wimbeldon White for
wheels but any of the white colors listed for the entire Ford family of
that year are perfectly acceptable for that OEM look.

Stu
Nuke GM!
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>I know, I'm getting picky, but as long as I'm
>going to paint my wheels the original white, does
>anybody know what the paint code would be for the
>wheels for a '64 F100? Another FTE list member is
>selling me a couple of wheels, very cool, thanks BK.
>
>I found photo in the owners manual showing that the
>tires had whitewalls, so that's what I'm gonna do.
>
>Would it be the same color as the interior white?
>I can find some of that color if I need to match.

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Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 08:35:52 -0700
From: Jacob Heilman
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Lots of spare parts

I'm not sure about 72 but I know for sure that 73 F250 4X4 frames are
about 6 inches narrower than their 2wd and half ton 4X4 counterparts. I
put a half ton 4X4 box on my 73 F250 Hi Boy. Had to drill new holes for
the bolts and use one of the support crossmembers off the old box.
Other than that it was a perfect match. Good luck with your switch
over. BTW...I'm looking for a factory rear fuel tank for said narrow
frame. If anyone has one in useable condition I'm interested. I live
in Northwestern Oregon. Thanks.
Jake Heilman
73 F250 4X4 C6,360-390?

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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 11:42:57 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - L & R motormounts

John Dolson writes: >>which sides of the engine are these in relation to
drivers-side and passengers-side?

L = Drivers side
R = Passenger side

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 11:30:49 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FE HP blocks

William writes: >> The 2nd and 4th cam bearings were grooved to provide oil to
the rocker shafts too, if memory serves, right Azie?

Same way I remember it.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 06:46:47 -0700
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - C6 Transmission

>c4,c5,fmx have bolt on bell housings, c6 bellhousing is made to the housing,
>but yes the pan is also different. i think the late model overdrive
trannies
>have bellhousings made to housing.

Thanks, yeah I bought a gasket and filter for a C6 last weekend and it fit
so that settles the matter I suppose :)

Are there different C6 versions too? I heard somebody talk about
heavy/light duty versions. I wonder what's thedifference (and what I have).

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 07:15:48 -0700
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Growling while in 4WD

>decelerating. Anybody ever had this problem. I don't want to pull the
>front axles and replace the front axle u-joints just for fun if you know
>what I mean.

I had the same growling in 4wd at high speeds (well, 15+ mph, that's fast
for four-wheeling anyway) especially when taking very weak turns. and
squealing at lower speeds. No noise in 2wd. Turned out the front axle u
joints were ejecting rust and the bearings were gone (must have fallen out
or something). Also one of the bearings inside the axle towards the middle
(do they have a name?) were gone. The reason it was rattling at weak turns
is probably because the joints were very stiff and at the right angle and
speed it just rocks the axle back and forth.

Bas.
'78 bronco/351M


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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 07:18:20 -0700
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Hand turning engine

>Brian writes: >>So how do I turn my 351M over to find those timing marks.
>Can't I put a
>wrench on the crank somewhere?
>There is a large bolt head in the center of the front pulley. I'm not
sure of
>the size on the 351M/400, but on FE's it is a 15/16". Use a 1/2" pull handle

Or if you're lazy you can just put a jumper wire on the starter solenoid
and tap the other end on the battery :)

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 07:21:41 -0700
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Headers

>I am looking for suggestions on a reliable set of headers for a 360 cid 71

I just saw some nice headers for my bronco but they were not CA smog legal.
I wonder why they consider headers part of the emission control system.. it
should only be better to have a better gas flow in the engine. Ahwell just
wait a couple more years :)

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 18:11:16 -0700
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - OD

>Bas writes: >>My uncle had an electric overdrive on his car. He could just
>toggle the
>I've only seen these on European vehicles. Never on an American vehicle.

Yes this was a volvo. I never really got the point why american vehicles
did not have overdrives; these lovely V8s really don't need 4000 rpm to
cruise highway speeds.


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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 18:34:40 -0700
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Tranny Question

>>my 72 makes one heck of a "clunk" when shifting into reverse. I've checked
>Check the rear end and be sure those gears are tight, remember there's more
>places for slop than just the tranny when it comes to putting power to the
>ground ... in my case it was a worn xfer case, my sister's I think is a
>little of the rear end since the case was recently rebuilt ...

If I take my driveshaft off and run the engine with the gear selector in
neutral the shaft turns forward. Even if you go between neutral and reverse
it may cluck. Mine clunks a bit too, probably differential. I can move that
a little even with the wheels on the ground.

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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 19:42:32 -0700
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Brakes and wheel cylinders.

>ceramic tiles on it's wings. Back to your problem of pulling it's more than
>likely you need to replace both calipers at the same time, you know two new
>ones, instead of one old and one new, also it is poss that it may be a brake

The old ones were actually still good, replacing one was the shade tree
mechanic's way of finding that out. It was a mistake though, I should have
paid a good mechanic to find out for sure. I pretty much gave up trying to
work on my brake system, I can never really figure out what's wrong. Air in
the lines, rear brakes out of adjustment, bad rotors, pfff...



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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 20:03:33 -0700
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - batteries was hot starting problems

>Bas,
>It is my understanding that a deep cycle battery doesn't work well in
>automotive applications. They are designed to be severely discharged then
>recharged like for a golf cart or a trolling motor. I've never tried one,
>but I have read articles along this line several years ago. The technology
>could have changed since then, but I doubt it.

They are in fact hybrid batteries that have some of both. They have
different materials, one supplies with peak currents and the other with low
cycles. If it has 1000 CCA it must be able to start a vehicle, my current
one is only 900 or so. True deep cycle batteries probably don't get those
high peak currents.

>BTW, don't ever buy a maintanence free battery with no caps for adding
>water. There is no such thing as maintanence free unless you count install
>it then use it until it is no good. On a lead acid battery, that could be a
>short period if you don't keep the cells in acid.

I know, my acdelco is like that. A friend of mine got it for me for free
because he works at a chevy dealer. It's junk though, I fried one already
and they charged me $25 to get another. The short period you mentioned was
about two months for me. It's just like those "lubed for life" u-joints.
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Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 07:11:15 -0700
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE:4spd/auto

>auto back to the manual trans? it seems most people
>go the other way. like i said before these things are
>trucks right???

I know I've already said my word about this. But each time the discussion
comes up I simply cannot resist hitting the reply button for at least one
message in the thread :)

One thing I have not said yet (I think) is that when I first came to canada
I could hardly believe my eyes that american trucks are so powerful, drive
so smooth and also sound so good ;) Compared to most european vehicles it
feels like you're in a hovercraft but then with very good handling. All
controls are so smooth too as compared to having to yank on everything.
Automatic transmissions contribute to that feeling a lot, which is probably
part of why I like them so much. It seems that we are slowly catching up
although a lot of stuff is still built dirt cheap (and then made expensive
by our tax system). When I moved here to CA the first thing I did is look
for a 70s ford truck. It took me a week to find this '78 bronco / C6. I
love it, even though I take the train to work I drove almost 20k miles in
10 months, just in the weekends/holidays.

Bas.


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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 09:36:42 -0800
From: "Erik Marquez"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Headers

In CA, every thing from the gas cap to the cat is part of the emission
system.

But on second thought, is that for all years? or does it start in 19XX???

Erik Marquez
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- -----Original Message-----
From: Bas van der Veer
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, July 01, 1999 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Headers


>>I am looking for suggestions on a reliable set of headers for a 360 cid 71
>
>I just saw some nice headers for my bronco but they were not CA smog legal.
>I wonder why they consider headers part of the emission control system.. it
>should only be better to have a better gas flow in the engine. Ahwell just
>wait a couple more years :)
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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 13:44:39 -0400
From: dgerow stonehill.edu (Daniel R. Gerow)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 4x4 usage

What are the rules of 4 wheel drive engagement for a '79 Bronco w/ a 205/C6?
Obviously it's not shift on the fly w/ the locking hubs...I know that part,
but can it be driven on the road while in 4 wheel drive? I know my '71
counldn't. It emitted this awful howling noise and heated up. Is it the
same for the later years?

Thanks in advamce,

Dan

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Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 13:46:36 -0400
From: James Oxley
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - First MPG Test Results

William S Hart wrote:

> >> What are we lookin at here OX ?
>
>Uuhhh!!, the underside of my truck, heehee :-) Not sure what your
>asking.
>
Sorry, just meaning there wasn't much description of it ...

78 bronco. 8 inches of lift, 2 inch body lift. T-18 trans, married 205
case.

how about a manual tranny ? with a married x-fer case
> and a C6, mine were quite a ways apart ...

I don't think a C6 would be an issue. probably need to reroute drivers
side pipe a little, but I think it would fit.

OX
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Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 13:57:11 -0400
From: James Oxley
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Headers

Erik Marquez wrote:
>
> In CA, every thing from the gas cap to the cat is part of the emission
> system.
>
> But on second thought, is that for all years? or does it start in 19XX???
>

It seems like headers are part of it, but that some have gotten
through visual anyway. Not sure about gas cap if you don't have EVAP.
No EVAP and gas would have to vent through cap, right??

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Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 10:57:30 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Hand turning engine

Thanks for your message at 07:18 AM 6/29/99 -0700, Bas van der Veer. Your
message was:
>>Brian writes: >>So how do I turn my 351M over to find those timing marks.
>>Can't I put a
>>wrench on the crank somewhere?
>>There is a large bolt head in the center of the front pulley. I'm not
>sure of
>>the size on the 351M/400, but on FE's it is a 15/16". Use a 1/2" pull
handle
>
>Or if you're lazy you can just put a jumper wire on the starter solenoid
>and tap the other end on the battery :)

But do not use both procedures simultaneously...(another video in the works?)


Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 09:54:33 -0800
From: "Erik Marquez"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 4x4 usage

>What are the rules of 4 wheel drive engagement for a '79 Bronco w/ a
205/C6?
>Obviously it's not shift on the fly w/ the locking hubs...I know that part,
>but can it be driven on the road while in 4 wheel drive? I know my '71
>counldn't. It emitted this awful howling noise and heated up. Is it the
>same for the later years?

First: with the hubs locked you can shift the TC from 2wd to 4hi any time
you want, just clutch, and shift. with the hubs locked the front drive train
is up to speed so you'll have no problems.

second: No, do not drive on hard, non slip surface with a NP205 in 4Wd, it
will cause tremendous bind in the drive line, and something will
give......u-joint, drive shaft tube, pinion shaft, etc etc.

Third: It should be the same for all years, the NP205 never had anykind
of dif in the system, so no way to release binding when being used on non
slip surface.

Erik Marquez
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Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 12:59:55 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 4x4 usage

>What are the rules of 4 wheel drive engagement for a '79 Bronco w/ a 205/C6?
>Obviously it's not shift on the fly w/ the locking hubs...

Actually it is, if the hubs are already locked in, I think its speeds below
35mph is what's advertised. DON"T SHIFT TO LOW RANGE WHILE MOVING! If you
can physically do it then you will likely screw up LOTS of stuff..


>but can it be driven on the road while in 4 wheel drive? I know my '71
>counldn't. It emitted this awful howling noise and heated up. Is it the
>same for the later years?
>
The only ones that can be driven on pavement without damaging things too
badly are the ones that came equipped from the factory with the full time
4wd (the 205 is not such an animal) ... you MAY be able to drive on
pavement, but I wouldn't recommend it, its just un-necessary wear on things.


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 14:56:27 CDT
From: Daniel Hansen
Subject: FTE 61-79 - I AM SO SCARED!!!!!!!

All right i am so scared i was putting a 2 barrel intake on the car and
replaced all of the gaskets. Now i was putting the distribitor back in and
it wouldn't go all the way down so i turned it over so then it would pop in
and it did, then i come to find out the timing is now way off so i have been
trying to find the right spot for the distribitor, now after working on
this for about a hour or two trying to get it started, all of the sudden i
see oil coming out under the car, now i am wondering is there anyway that i
could off blew it up or what happened, please help i am so scared that i did
blow it up, or is it a easy fix. Please give me all of the possibilites
that could of happened thanks.

Endroman


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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 16:17:57 -0400
From: jdklaers magicnet.net (PredFan)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Back-up lights

My back-up lights are not working. I've traced them down to a plug in the
engine compartment that is disconnected. However, I cannot find the place
it is supposed to be connected to.

I have a '71 F-100 with a automatic tranny and a 302.

The plug in question is an "L" shaped black plug with two black with red
striped wires in one end and the two female connector on the other. It
comes off of the main withing trunk that comes up from under the truck on
the right (driver's) side next to the steering column.

Any help here would be appreciated.

Thanks.

John

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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 15:07:20 -0700
From: "Danger"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - First MPG Test Results

When I asked...

> > What effect would headers have on MPG and the compression ratio
compared
> >to the stock manifold?
> I was also thinking of installing a set of Hooker
> >Competition headers along with a high flow dual exhaust that exited
behind
> >the rear tires at an angle and wanted to know what effect those changes
> >should have on everything else. The truck now has stock exhaust manifolds
> >and a dual exhaust exiting in front of the rear tires.

wish replied...

> The headers shouldn't affect the compression ratio at all. But they will
> cause your mpg to drop, not because of any lost efficiency (it should
> actually go up), but because you won't be able to keep your foot out of it
:)
> You will notice a huge power increase if you do this, not to mention a bit
> louder because of less restriction
...............

What I meant was with 10:1 compression wouldn't headers be a good idea? I
won't keep my foot out of the gas with, or without headers because I enjoy
using the power of a strong V-8. That's why I changed a stock 2 bbl 360 into
a modified 4 bbl 390, and why I'm gathering info on the mid 70's 4x4
F-series
and 460 which will be my next project.
I was hoping that by exiting behind the rear tires it would help to cut
down on what I hear in the cab.

More Power!
:: insert multiple 'Tim Taylor' grunts here ::


Danger
69 F250 2wd 390 4bbl T18 PowrLok 3.55 (already has Hooker Comp headers and
magna flow 3")
69 F250 2wd 390 4bbl C6 4.11 (thinking of exhaust mods and PowrLok upgrade)





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Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 16:27:28 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - First MPG Test Results

>What I meant was with 10:1 compression wouldn't headers be a good idea?

Oh ... sorry I misread that I guess ... yeah it would probably be a good
idea no matter what since the stock manifolds are so restrictive.

Have you looked at Mark's site that shows the sanderson headers ? Those
are about the best I've seen for an FE (www.pacifier.com/~draco)

> I was hoping that by exiting behind the rear tires it would help to cut
>down on what I hear in the cab.
>
Mine went from just over the axle to clear out the back (straight), and it
quieted down some, but not a lot ...

>69 F250 2wd 390 4bbl C6 4.11 (thinking of exhaust mods and PowrLok upgrade)
>
With the 2wd, long tubes will work fine from Dynomax or whoever your
favorite supplier is, the issues of clearance and such are with the 4x4's.


Just my 2cents

wish

Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html
'73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html
'96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html
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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 15:46:54 -0700
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Deacon

I'm still here Robert. Every time I send you an email it's returned with

----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----

So if your still on the list email me.

Hi people!
I've been thinking about putting an FE360 C6 in my '73 F100 with the
burned up C4 and put the 302 from it in my '66 Mustang that has a 289
C4. I was talking about this with a guy that said the C4 in the Mustang
wouldn't bolt to the 302 from the truck. From what I've read the 289 and
302 are completely interchangeable. Am I misinformed or is he talking
out the side of his neck.


Later!

Deacon
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.earthlink.net/~deconblu/
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'66 Mustang 289 C4 \ '89 Aerostar Who cares!
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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 17:43:13 -0500
From: "Oscar Johnson"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Back-up lights

John,

I looked at my 71 F250 that is pretty much original and found the plug
to which you refer. It doesn't connect to anything; there is a short piece
of wire with two male spade connectors that join the two female connectors
that you mentioned. It is about 4 1/2" long, the same gauge as the wire
coming into the plug, is blue and red striped, and has "CIMF-126.38-A SX
FOMOCO" printed on it. Each end of the wire (spade connector) is plugged
into one of the female connectors. Hope this helps.

O.T. Johnson
71 F250 Ranger XLT Camper Special 360 C6 2V


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Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 19:49:19 -0700
From: "O'Connor"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Midwest Fender

Please forward any information about Midwest Fender you may have to the
list. Address, Phone number and E-mail address would help. Thanx.

Tim
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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 17:21:23 -0700
From: Don or Bub
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Back-up lights

after you trace your wires, also check to make sure that your back up
light terminals aren't corroded. then also make sure that the armature
that actuates the saftey neutral switch is intact and not broke. it
turned out that my truck problem after all was just the armature
linkage.
good luck and give me a buzz. like i said i had the same exact prob.
bubba

Oscar Johnson wrote:
>
> John,
>
> I looked at my 71 F250 that is pretty much original and found the plug
> to which you refer. It doesn't connect to anything; there is a short piece
> of wire with two male spade connectors that join the two female connectors
> that you mentioned. It is about 4 1/2" long, the same gauge as the wire
> coming into the plug, is blue and red striped, and has "CIMF-126.38-A SX
> FOMOCO" printed on it. Each end of the wire (spade connector) is plugged
> into one of the female connectors. Hope this helps.
>
> O.T. Johnson
> 71 F250 Ranger XLT Camper Special 360 C6 2V
>
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Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 18:40:03 -0700
From: Jeff Harsha
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - overdrive

The factory supplied rear end on my '69 (360 FE) with OD is a 3.50 so your
3.70 is in the ballpark

Barry Renfro wrote:

> I have a 69 f 100 w/300, 3ontree, recently bought a overdrive tranny but
> minus the kickdown switch and relay and the cable. the rearend has a 3.70
> ratio, is that a proper ratio for the o/d? Is there any difference on
> installing this on my truck? TIA
>
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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 21:44:37 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Truck

In a message dated 7/1/99 6:54:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time, wish iastate.edu
writes:

>

Look at the pictorial. My truck is there (the only 74 F-350) and you can
see. Not much of mine will fit yours however, My bed is different from
yours. Also, the passenger side piece near the rear corner of the cab is
mismatched. When I yank it off, your more than welcome to it. I''ll list
exactly what I have thats in good shape.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 22:02:15 EDT
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Lots of spare parts

In a message dated 7/1/99 8:47:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
jnlheilman earthlink.net writes:


about 6 inches narrower than their 2wd and half ton 4X4 counterparts. I
put a half ton 4X4 box on my 73 F250 Hi Boy. Had to drill new holes for
the bolts and use one of the support crossmembers off the old box.
Other than that it was a perfect match. Good luck with your switch
over. BTW...I'm looking for a factory rear fuel tank for said narrow
frame. If anyone has one in useable condition I'm interested. I live
in Northwestern Oregon. Thanks. >>

I think 73 was the year where frames for 4x4's and 2WD's split into 2
different widths. But, I am not sure, so will be looking for that. I do not
have a line on a rear tank, but have heard the newer Ford Rangers have tanks
that will fit. Would like to know more about this myself. Thanks
Burt Hill Kennewick WA F-250 4x4 460
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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 22:39:24 EDT
From: JefriHansn aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 429 Crank specs

WELL - Doesn't really matter what the mains are suspose to be, But
the machine shop says I'll be fine on the high end with my Motorsport high
volume. Doesn't matter now though - because went to put it together tonight
- - got as far as halfway through the second cam bearing - not even forcing it
- - being very careful and slow - cam jammed and wouldn't do nothing. Brand
new cam, brand new bearings - well - were - after three of us twisting and....


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