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From: owner-61-79-list-digest To: 61-79-list-digest Subject: 61-79-list-digest V3 #227 Reply-To: 61-79-list Sender: owner-61-79-list-digest Errors-To: owner-61-79-list-digest Precedence: bulk 61-79-list-digest Wednesday, June 30 1999 Volume 03 : Number 227 ======================================================================= Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961-1979 Trucks and Vans Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, send email to: majordomo with the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list-digest" in the body of the message. ======================================================================= In this issue: Re: FTE 61-79 - Diesel in '66 Re: FTE 61-79 - Bronco flooding Re: FTE 61-79 - Fw: Engine ID sticker / codes Re: FTE 61-79 - Weird FE Water Pump Re: FTE 61-79 - web page update FTE 61-79 - Is this a myth? FTE 61-79 - Cam gear spacers. FTE 61-79 - RE. 5.0 computer FTE 61-79 - No WWW access Re: FTE 61-79 - Fw: Engine ID sticker / codes FTE 61-79 - Oil Galleys FTE 61-79 - Cam gears FTE 61-79 - Restoration question FTE 61-79 - 460 hp FTE 61-79 - Re: 460hp (and other stuff) FTE 61-79 - Door panels Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 hp FTE 61-79 - Re: Bronco Flooding FTE 61-79 - Stiff steering Re: FTE 61-79 - Stiff steering Re: FTE 61-79 - Restoration question Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 hp Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 hp Re: FTE 61-79 - Fw: Engine ID sticker / codes FTE 61-79 - Stiff steering FTE 61-79 - Owners manual Re: FTE 61-79 - Owners manual FTE 61-79 - 71 F-100 back-up lights Re: FTE 61-79 - Owners manual Re: FTE 61-79 - 71 F-100 back-up lights Re: FTE 61-79 - 71 F-100 back-up lights FTE 61-79 - Preliminary Success in IVR Replacement FTE 61-79 - Valves FTE 61-79 - RE:6-cyl to 302 swap and exhuming old engines FTE 61-79 - Ranger lariat door panels Re: FTE 61-79 - Speed Bleeders? FTE 61-79 - interior RE: FTE 61-79 - Preliminary Success in IVR Replacement Re: FTE 61-79 - Weird FE Water Pump Re: FTE 61-79 - 5.0 litre FI stand alone computer... Re: FTE 61-79 - Ranger lariat door panels Re: FTE 61-79 - interior ======================================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 07:31:27 EDT From: TBeeee Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Diesel in '66 In a message dated 6/29/99 1:06:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, vogt writes: > In the owner's manual of my '66 F-250 it says that a 4-cylinder diesel > was an option. There were 4 cyl. diesels which Ford used (Dagenhams and Dorsets) but not in an F-100/350 truck. My suspicions were confirmed when I checked in my MPC for 64-72. No F-series with any factory option for a diesel. Stock Man 1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible (in need of factory rims) 1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aol.com/tbeeee/page/index.htm == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 08:04:28 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Bronco flooding >about an hour after running. Seems to be a flooding thing, as a little blue >smoke comes out after I finally get it cranked. Blue is an indication of oil ... black is rich/flooded. > Motor was completely rebuilt >about 2 yrs ago, and has an edelbrock 4bbl intake and carb (500cfm) - carb is >only 1 yr old. Runs great otherwise. Here's a few things I've looked at or >tried: >- Choke is manual, and not stuck closed >- air cleaner is not clogged >- Replaced bad fuel pump with an electric, located it away from engine >compartment. Also replaced mettal fuel line (pump to carb) with rubber, and >re-routed fuel line away from headers. >- Installed a 1" rubber spacer. > Is it really a rubber spacer you've installed ? How about the fuel line, why go to rubber on it ? It seems to me the rubber would be slower to cool down than the aluminum/steel parts they are replacing...especially the fuel line. Also on the electric pump, did you put a restricter of some sort in there ? Or is this one designed to work with a carburetor, its possible that it will start cold just fine because you need more fuel, but are flooding out when its already warm because you don't need that much ... oh I should have mentioned, usually elec. fuel pumps are quite capable of filling up a carb, and without some restrictions may blow past the needle/seat valve filling the fuel bowl and splashing into the intake. >Anybody have any ideas about whats wrong? I'm thinking about trying >a 3/4" plywood spacer - anybody tried that? > I would also check the timing and be sure you weren't too far advanced on that, as advanced timing will make things hard to start as well. As for the plywood spacer, those are known to absorb some of the fuel as it goes past, I'd look into the phenolic spacers, if not a stock replacement ... Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 08:05:31 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Fw: Engine ID sticker / codes >I had always understood the 400 was designated an M since the basic block >was derived from the 351C (albeit 1.100" taller) and I also remember the Y >blocks being differentiated by casting numbers. > I think the point was that we don't call it an M because it is the only 400, the only reason the 351's get so many designations is because there are 3 of them (W,M,C) ... it is the same block, we just don't use the M designation behind it ... Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 08:06:38 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Weird FE Water Pump > > a rumor, never actually seen any hard evidence of it. >> > >I thought this only applied to Mexican 302 blocks, as they have a higher >nickel content. I could be wrong though. > I've only heard it applied to the 302 ... but I would imagine that the Mexican plants got their steel from the same source, so they should all have a higher nickel content, just that the 302 was a touch more popular than all the 6's they probably made too. Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 08:08:04 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - web page update >At last, I, too, have updated my web page. Wish inspired me. I did not make him update it before putting the link up, but hey, whatever motivates you :) You can get links to John's truck, and lots more stuff through my links page now. I even have a neat link to a ... dare I say it ... J**p Wrangler ...its a bit overpowered, so its cool :) www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html :) Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:26:55 -0400 (EDT) From: "Sean O'Malley" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Is this a myth? A while back, someone mentioned travelling to Brazil and seeing many _brand new_ Ford Granadas, D*dge D*rts, and other "dark days of Detroit" models on the streets. They claimed that this was a result of the big makers sending their obsolete tooling and dies to various third-world factories and licensing them to produce those models for local sale. For the intrepid traveller, this could be a good source for brand new FE parts; however, the tale has the feel of an urban legend. Anybody know if this is for real or not? - --sean == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:49:34 -0400 From: am14 Subject: FTE 61-79 - Cam gear spacers. I'm correcting a post from yeaterday to Ted Freeman. Boy did I ever goof that one up. I wrote: >>The earlier ones had a spacer seperate from the cam, but I believe the later ones had it made onto the cam, and all the aftermarket ones I've used had the spaces built into the cam as an offset. Every where you see Cam in above post, I meant Cam gear. Dang - I hate it when I do something that dumb. --- Sorry folks. Azie Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 08:56:16 -0600 From: "Mike Striegl" Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE. 5.0 computer I installed a 89 Mustang 5.0 in my 74 F-100, I had the complete wiring on the engine and bought awire harness from Ford Motorsport that connected to it. With this wiring comes a installation manual, the best money I every spent on a part. I do think you could turn the top half of the manifold but go figure the throttle linkage it would be backward then. I have worked both car and truck EFI manifolds and I don't think they will work together look totally different. I do know you can get rebuilt EFI computers at Autozone a lot cheaper. Be sure to get the right year computer for the engine, and hook up all of the sensors or it won't run right, past experience. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:53:55 -0400 From: am14 Subject: FTE 61-79 - No WWW access Wiregoat writes: >> I only have e-mail and no way to access the archives. Finally -- Another one to deal with. Me too. Azie Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 07:47:41 -0700 From: "Bill Beyer" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Fw: Engine ID sticker / codes The M is used on the 351 to distinguish it from the C and W motor with the same displacement. Since there are no other 400 Ford motors there's no need for the M, just like there's no 390C or 302W. Obviously since the 351M and 400 share the same block it's easiest to simply refer to them as M blocks. Don't know anything about Y blocks but on the 335s D5AZ, D7TE-A2B, D8 are all either 351Ms or 400s. "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets" - -----Original Message----- From: Jett Rink To: 61-79-list Date: Monday, June 28, 1999 7:36 PM Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Fw: Engine ID sticker / codes >I had always understood the 400 was designated an M since the basic block >was derived from the 351C (albeit 1.100" taller) and I also remember the Y >blocks being differentiated by casting numbers. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:00:51 -0400 From: am14 Subject: FTE 61-79 - Oil Galleys Jason writes: >>The center ridge running the length of the valley is the oil supply galley from the front cam and crank bearings. Towards the rear of the block you'll find two more bosses that run through the oil supply galley. If your block has plugs in these bosses, you'll need to pull one out and look down the hole. It should be open for hydraulic lifter usage. If it has plugs installed below the top(center) galley, the passages are drilled, but blocked for solid lifter usage. Any questions? This can be confusing! This was an aftermarket function and not factory. All the early FE('60 thru '67) hi performance solid lifter blocks did not have the drilled access passages for hydraulics. Many people did exactly what you described to convert to solids from factory hydraulics, though. I did a couple of them myself. Azie Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:04:26 -0400 From: am14 Subject: FTE 61-79 - Cam gears Danger writes: >> I thought that the cam spacer had been considered obsolete because the newer timing gears (not the cam) have it cast into them? Yeah!! I fouled that one up good. Already saw my post from yesterday and sent correction. (I'm in digest mode, so don't get to see post as they are posted, but get all of them once a day) Azie Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 07:59:28 -0700 From: Brian Koss Subject: FTE 61-79 - Restoration question I'm in the middle of a cab off restoration (actually bought a cab to work on so I could still use the truck). I have a question regarding the pins or nails that attach the cowl to hood weatherstripping. Are these small pins simialr to the pins that hold the insulation to the firewall? Should I cut them off and weld the holes shut and drill new holes when I reattach the weatherstripping. Also, I will be replacing the firewall insulation. What are the chances the existing holes in the firewall will match the new insulation. Were the holes jigged on installation or do you think the guys on the line just drilled holes in apprximately the same location. I'm planning on having the floor and firewall coated with Speedliner to help reduce noise and prevent corrosion of the floor if water gets under the mat. After 6 years of collecting parts I'm finally ready to assemble them. If anybody is interested, I found a dash pad in a 66 the other day that has only a 1 inch crack in it with the rest being in perfect shape. The yard generally charges $15 if anybody is interested. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:11:11 -0400 From: am14 Subject: FTE 61-79 - 460 hp Darrell writes: >>> not quite. Its more like 160 hp difference. (385 hp vs 220)Not only did they drop compression, they went to a real crappy cam. Yeah, but didn't the way they measure hp change at the same time??? In reality do you think there is that much difference in the hp of the hi comp vs the lower comp??? I don't feel that kind of difference in the ones I fool around with. I would think that a true 160 hp difference (both measured the same way) would be more than what I feel, but then again all this is JMHO. Azie Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:06:22 -0600 From: "Richard Currit" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 460hp (and other stuff) > >not quite. Its more like 160 hp difference. (385 hp vs 220)Not only did = they=20 >drop compression, they went to a real crappy cam. Didn't they also change the HP rating system from gross to net during this = period? This would account for part of the HP drop, but I certainly agree = that it doesn't account for all of it. On the other hand its been a long time since I've posted anything to the = list here. As some of you may recall I swapped the old worn out 240 I6 = for a remanufactured (scary) 300 I6 in the ol' 72 F-100. I'm happy to = report that its arunnin like a champ!!!! In May me and the wife took a = drive down to her folks place in Altoona, KS, quite a haul from Cheyenne, = ran great. Had to stop in North Platte to back the timing off due to the = large drop in elevation. Also wound up pulling the thermostat due to a = bit of overheating, ran nice and cool after that. I've put the thermostat = back in now, still likes to run warm but from I've read on the list this = is pretty common after this motor swap. I also took it down to Delta, CO = the other week and it ran great, only time it got very warm was coming out = of Steamboat Springs climbing up Rabbit Ears Pass. But then this climb = has been known to warm up an engine or two. Oh yeah, I also put a set of = Hellwig anti-sway bars on the 'ol girl, man what a difference!!! One = thing I'm going to look into is a bigger radiator, I forget who had the = website showing how to hook up a 3 core from a 351M wasn't it? Also, a = guy here at work used to be a mechanic for UPS. He claims that the UPS = trucks ran 300 I6 engines for a long time. If so, they would have had to = run larger radiators on them. Can anybody confirm or dismiss this?? =20 High Plains Richard '72 F-100 =20 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:20:18 -0400 From: am14 Subject: FTE 61-79 - Door panels JefriHanson writes: >>While we're on the subject - does anyone have, or know who has a drivers side door panel - Money Pit Green in color? I'm not sure what Money pit green is, but I have a '77 F250 that I'm parting out the body. It was two tone green (dark and light) , and I believe the panels are also two tone. If you (or anyone) are interested, I'll check closer and post back to you the condition and color. Azie Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:32:33 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 hp >Darrell writes: >>> >not quite. Its more like 160 hp difference. (385 hp vs 220)Not only did they >drop compression, they went to a real crappy cam. > >Yeah, but didn't the way they measure hp change at the same time??? Yeah, they changed sometime between 71 and 73 over to SAE Net instead of gross ... which means they had to hook up all the accessories and exhaust to get their numbers. I think there was a change again a few years ago, but I can't remember for sure what it was. >I don't feel that kind of difference in the ones I fool around >with. You have to push the long pedal on the right to feel all of it I imagine :) Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 08:41:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Lee Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Bronco Flooding You have two problems. The blue smoke is oil, possibly from your valve guides, when your heads were rebuilt they knurled your guides to get the right fit on your valves. Now the knurle is wearing and oil is getting passed. The other problem is 'heat soak.' Because you have an aluminum manifold too much heat is conducted to your carb and percolation occurs. This is easy to fix. Get an insulating spacer between your carb and manifold to prevent heat conduction. Dan Lee '53 F100 351C-4V _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 08:46:50 -0700 From: Eric Subject: FTE 61-79 - Stiff steering Friends; I got the kingpins done on the '66 yesterday, (I'm too embarrassed to tell how much it cost) and I'm a little disappointed. The truck steers better, for sure, but it still tramlines a little and the steering is still stiff. The tech said all steering linkage components are ok. We recently discussed steering box lubrication on the list, and I was surprised to learn that others had discovered grease rather than gear lube, as I had. I found a pinkish grease that had been grooved by the moving parts and replaced it with 90wt. It made no difference. I'd really like to fix this problem. Would a steering box adjustment help? Could a worn column bearing cause this? Or, are those big fat tires the culprit? Any ideas? Thanks, Eric == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:56:00 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Stiff steering >The truck steers >better, for sure, Usually a good thing :) but it still tramlines a little and the steering is still >stiff. Stiff I understand ... tramlines I don't quite follow, can you be a bit more descriptive for me ? > I'd really like to fix this problem. Would a steering box adjustment >help? Could a worn column bearing cause this? Or, are those big fat tires >the culprit? Any ideas? I'm sure the big tires won't help, but also have the alignment checked again ... be sure you've got it all set right.... the steering adjustment could be off, check the pre-load instructions in a manual and see how that works out possibly...and I have heard of worn columns causing some odd stuff ... here's another one ... how are your cab mounts ? One guy told me his steering cleared up after he put new cab mounts on 'cause it was putting extra pressure on the column ... Just some thoughts.... Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 11:02:00 -0500 From: Stu Varner Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Restoration question At 07:59 AM 6/29/99 -0700, you wrote: >I'm in the middle of a cab off restoration (actually bought a cab to work >on so I could still use the truck). I have a question regarding the pins or >nails that attach the cowl to hood weatherstripping. Are these small pins >simialr to the pins that hold the insulation to the firewall? Should I cut >them off and weld the holes shut and drill new holes when I reattach the >weatherstripping. Also, I will be replacing the firewall insulation. What >are the chances the existing holes in the firewall will match the new >insulation. Were the holes jigged on installation or do you think the guys >on the line just drilled holes in apprximately the same location. Just remove the old cowl lacing that was on there (usually it was gone after 10 years. The kit from Dennis Carpenter comes ready to install with clips on the lacing. They run about 16 or 17 bucks. To return it to factory appearances (if you are as anal as I) you need to use the 3M flexible black strip caulking behind each hole. Put a little dab in there and push the new lace kit in. The firewall insulation is just as easy. You can buy the kit which runs about 150 bucks or so. Make sure you get the metal Christmas tree plugs from Carpenter or Melvins, you do order them separately. They work much better. It does require a little manipulating of the firewall to get them to fit but over all, Mine went in fairly easily and looks good. There are only 3 holes which require firewall fasteners. Sounds like you are coming along very nicely with the project. My engine is only half built right now and I hope the get the lifters and intake on tonight, then the tranny and engine in the frame , then the cab and bed. I can hardly wait to get this rolling tonight!!!!! Stu Nuke GM! http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/stu > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 18:35:42 +0200 From: "Bill Brox" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 hp As far as I know net hp is measured at the rear end of the transmission, not at the flywheel,,,, this in addition to the other stuff, Bill - ---------- > From: William S Hart > To: 61-79-list > Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 hp > Date: 29. juni 1999 17:32 > > >Darrell writes: >>> > >not quite. Its more like 160 hp difference. (385 hp vs 220)Not only did they > >drop compression, they went to a real crappy cam. > > > >Yeah, but didn't the way they measure hp change at the same time??? > > Yeah, they changed sometime between 71 and 73 over to SAE Net instead of > gross ... which means they had to hook up all the accessories and exhaust > to get their numbers. I think there was a change again a few years ago, > but I can't remember for sure what it was. > > > >I don't feel that kind of difference in the ones I fool around > >with. > > You have to push the long pedal on the right to feel all of it I imagine :) > > Just my 2cents > > wish > > Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html > '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html > '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 11:43:32 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 hp >As far as I know net hp is measured at the rear end of the transmission, >not at the flywheel,,,, this in addition to the other stuff, > I don't think this is true ... if it were, then wouldn't they have to advertise different hp for different trannies (since autos have more losses than manuals) ? Not that any advertised number is ever accomplished regularly .... There is also RWHP (rear wheel) that is gathered by putting the car on a chassis-dyno, this will be greatly affected by the transmission ... Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:35:58 CDT From: Jett Rink Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Fw: Engine ID sticker / codes Well, I certainly stand corrected! >I think the point was that we don't call it an M because it is the only >400Remember, if it's free it can't be all bad. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.msn.com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:44:40 -0700 From: Eric Subject: FTE 61-79 - Stiff steering Thanks, wish Tramlining describes a vehicle's proclivity to follow ruts in a road, as it would follow street car rails. Wide tires often cause it. The cab mounts are ok. I think I'll separate the pitman arm from the steering and see if the problem is isolated to either half of the system. It shouldn't need a steering box at 66,000, but it shouldn't have needed king pins either.... Eric == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 15:31:48 -0400 From: Rob Long Subject: FTE 61-79 - Owners manual Does anyone have, or know where I can get an owners manual for my '78 F250 ? ? ? Any help would be appreciated ! ! - -- Rob '78 F 250 - 400 - 4 spd. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Campus/4249 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:44:40 -0700 From: "Bill Beyer" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Owners manual Check on eBay and keep checking. Search on 1978 ford and 78 ford. You could also check here: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.vintage-books.com They may not have it right now but they get lots of stuff in all the time. "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets" - -----Original Message----- From: Rob Long To: 61-79-list Date: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 12:34 PM Subject: FTE 61-79 - Owners manual >Does anyone have, or know where I can get an owners manual for my '78 >F250 ? ? ? Any help would be appreciated ! ! == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 17:01:29 -0400 From: jdklaers Subject: FTE 61-79 - 71 F-100 back-up lights Gang: The other day I was informed that my back-up lights do not work. When checking this, I found that it is disconnected at the switch in the engine compartment. It is just dangling there. My question is where is it supposed to be connected to? I can't find the switch! The connector is a small L-shaped black connector with two black with red striped wires coming off of one end. Thanks John Klaers - ----------------------------------- Deja Fu: The feeling you get that somehow, somewhere, you've been kicked in the head like this before. - ----------------------------------- == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 15:15:49 -0700 From: Dennis Pearson Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Owners manual Thanks for your message at 03:31 PM 6/29/99 -0400, Rob Long. Your message was: >Does anyone have, or know where I can get an owners manual for my '78 >F250 ? ? ? Any help would be appreciated ! ! You might check ebay. I see many different manuals being auctioned from time to time... http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ebay.com Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA 1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C 1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed 1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood) I shortened this to only FT's http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.att.net/~dlpearson/levi.htm == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 20:11:16 EDT From: TBeeee Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 71 F-100 back-up lights In a message dated 6/29/99 5:08:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jdklaers > > My question is where is it supposed to be connected to? I can't find the > switch! > What kind of transmission do you have? Stock Man 1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible (in need of factory rims) 1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aol.com/tbeeee/page/index.htm == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 21:07:31 -0400 From: jdklaers Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 71 F-100 back-up lights Automatic. C-5 I think. John >In a message dated 6/29/99 5:08:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >jdklaers > >> >> My question is where is it supposed to be connected to? I can't find the >> switch! >> >What kind of transmission do you have? > >Stock Man >1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible (in need of factory rims) >1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd >http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aol.com/tbeeee/page/index.htm >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html - ----------------------------------- Deja Fu: The feeling you get that somehow, somewhere, you've been kicked in the head like this before. - ----------------------------------- == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 18:35:07 -0700 From: Vogt Family Subject: FTE 61-79 - Preliminary Success in IVR Replacement To all it may concern, today I built and installed a new electronic IVR (instrument voltage regulator) to replace my malfunctioning mechanical one on my '86 F-250. I used a schematic and parts list that Mike Sloane gave me. I bought all the parts from Digikey (www.digikey.com) except two of the capacitors that had been discontinued, which I scrounged from some old Commodore 64 boards I keep around for that purpose. The discontinued part number was P1353-ND, a quick search at Digikey revealed many, many others that would be suitable. 100 uF is the value. This circuit uses a switching type regulator that is designed as a replacement for the 7805. I assume it uses these capacitors, as well as some zener diodes and a resistor, to control voltage spikes and present a minimum load to the regulator. I'm not sure if any of this is necessary as the gauges are always there and probably aren't too suceptible to voltage spikes. I used a small plastic case and no circuit board, just soldered the parts across a couple of bus wires I put in with hot glue. When done, there are three wires, voltage in, out and a ground, that I soldered to their original locations on the "flexible circuit board" that is behind the instruments. It checked out at a steady five volts and appears to be working OK. Total cost was about $30. Feel free to ask if you have any questions. Birken == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 18:33:48 -0700 From: Mike Pacheco Subject: FTE 61-79 - Valves I just received my stainless steel valves from Summit... they sent the wrong ones and don't even offer valves for a 351C-2V... they sent valves for 4V... does anyone know where I might purchase some. Here are the sizes Intake 2.044 Exhaust 1.656 Help !!! I'm at a standstill..... Mike in Burien == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 22:32:28 EDT From: CATLN7 Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE:6-cyl to 302 swap and exhuming old engines > My questions are, What must I do to >safely resurect this engine, and, what grab-me-gotchas will I get into >sticking it in place of the 240? Has it sat for 20 years? If so a rebuild would be in order. For the swap you will need the engine to frame mounts for 302/351W (68 to at least 77 will work). This is a 2WD, right? You will need truck motor mounts (I used model year 70 for ordering parts). You'll need an auto steering column, or an auto floor shifter. You can probably use the same drive shaft(s), I had to shorten mine as I had a 3 speed manual. And definitely a bigger radiator, I bought one that was intended for 302 through 400 for $170 (new) at a radiator shop. Does the Galaxy motor have the accessories (P/S, Alternator, etc.), if not you can get those from 70 and up cars with the 302. My engine came from a 68 Cougar so I had to change all the accessory brackets to work in the truck (because of the change of the water pump inlet circa 69 or 70). Its really a fairly easy swap. Good luck hope this helps Chris Thompson 67 F100 302/C4 PDB, P/S finally!!! 68 Cougar DGS 302/C4 82 Merc LN7 1.6L/4sp == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 19:40:13 -0600 From: "Grady M. Shock" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Ranger lariat door panels Hi all, I have a 78 F-150 Ranger Lariat. I need new door panels but they aren't the standard hard plastic panels they are brown and padded with an off white stripe running through them and pockets at the bottom of the door. I like the way they look in the truck and don't want to have to get the hard plastick ones (like JC Whitless & Sears sell). Perhaps someone knows of a place where I could pick some up. Maybe one of you has a set you would be looking to get rid of? Do I have any hopes of finding these most likely outrageously rare panels? I've never seen them in any other 73-79 F-series. Thanks in advance for any help, -Grady Shock == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 22:04:49 -0500 From: Michael Strawn Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Speed Bleeders? I have the Mityvac Bleeder, and it works fine. One person job to bleed the brakes. Just remember to keep the resevoir topped off :). Don Yerhot wrote: > Has any one out there tried speed bleeders? I've seen a couple > different brands out there, Russel and I believe Earl's. They go for 10 > bucks a pair. Or how about Mityvac bleeder's? I'm having a hard time > getting SWMBO to sit out in my old truck for an hour in the heat pumping > on the brake pedal. TIA > > DonY > 65F250-351W-435NP > 74F100-351W-Fomoco 3on-the-tree > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:16:06 EDT From: IanBoss69 Subject: FTE 61-79 - interior hey, just a wild thought i had guys while riding in my plain vinyl seat and with my arm on the rock hard boring door panels,,,,how hard would it be to take a late model ford pickup interior (door panels, seats, possibly dash shell????) and install it in an older truck, without all the computers for the dash and stuff, maybe make a new inner frame for the late-model dash face and cover to fit with the original gauges...just a crazy idea from yours truly Ian 79 F250 4x4 4spd 351M members.aol.com/ianboss69/page/home.htm True Blue Ford Blue == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 20:27:53 -0700 From: "Steve Schwartz" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Preliminary Success in IVR Replacement Hi Birken, Congratulations on your project. It is really a great idea, and should be much more reliable. A couple of comments (without seeing the schematic): 1) The capacitor you couldn't find is a low impedance type, and most switching regulators require this, depending on the switcher's frequency. You should substitute ONLY another low impedance type. The P1245-ND would be a good choice, although it is a radial-lead type. In your case, since you aren't using a printed wiring board, this should still fit. 2) Switchers are usually rather layout-dependent. While I have successfully breadboarded a few older designs, many of the current chips used to drive the switching element need specific ground routing to avoid unwanted oscillations. If your circuit supplies enough current to run all of your instrument panel (measure the 5V under full load), then you have dodged the bullet. I am aware of several off-the-shelf 12v to 5v switchers in small packages, complete with heatsink. I think they are good for about 1A. What is the total current requirement for your dashboard? Thanks for sharing this. Best, Steve > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-61-79-list > [mailto:owner-61-79-list > Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 6:35 PM > To: 80-96-list > Subject: FTE 61-79 - Preliminary Success in IVR Replacement > > > To all it may concern, today I built and installed a new electronic IVR > (instrument voltage regulator) to replace my malfunctioning mechanical > one on my '86 F-250. I used a schematic and parts list that Mike Sloane > gave me. I bought all the parts from Digikey (www.digikey.com) except > two of the capacitors that had been discontinued, which I scrounged from > some old Commodore 64 boards I keep around for that purpose. The > discontinued part number was P1353-ND, a quick search at Digikey > revealed many, many others that would be suitable. 100 uF is the > value. This circuit uses a switching type regulator that is designed as > a replacement for the 7805. I assume it uses these capacitors, as well > as some zener diodes and a resistor, to control voltage spikes and > present a minimum load to the regulator. I'm not sure if any of this is > necessary as the gauges are always there and probably aren't too > suceptible to voltage spikes. I used a small plastic case and no > circuit board, just soldered the parts across a couple of bus wires I > put in with hot glue. When done, there are three wires, voltage in, out > and a ground, that I soldered to their original locations on the > "flexible circuit board" that is behind the instruments. It checked out > at a steady five volts and appears to be working OK. Total cost was > about $30. Feel free to ask if you have any questions. > > Birken > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 22:47:38 -0500 From: Michael Strawn Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Weird FE Water Pump In requards to Mexican Blocks, the difference is in the main caps. US cast main caps taper away from the mains. The Mexican castings pretty much remain uniform in thickness from top to bottom. William S Hart wrote: > > Has anyone ever seen one of these before? I > >figure he can swap front covers and put a normal FE water pump on it, > >does anyone know if the blocks were cast differently between US and > >Mexico? > > Supposedly the Mexican blocks are thicker and stronger ... but that's just > a rumor, never actually seen any hard evidence of it. Lots of people are > looking for the Mexican "windsors" for that reason, but I've never seen > reference to a Mexican FE ... I think the thread about the irrigation motor > might be a good one to look up ... try looking up the Ag section of your > older books and see if they have a waterpump for a stationary motor listed ?? > > Just my 2cents > > wish > > Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html > '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html > '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 22:55:56 -0500 From: Michael Strawn Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 5.0 litre FI stand alone computer... I am currently in the process of doing a similar deal. '68 302 Mexican Block with '91 model GT40 heads. I got the EFI setup in exchange for some custom transmission tools. So far it looks like Painless Wiring (Summit Catalog) is one solution, or perhaps a used EEC-IV setup from a Crown Vic.? Any suggestions? "Smith, Brian" wrote: > I have a oppurtunity to buy a complete 5.0L EFI manifold (for $10!). Can I > buy (or steal,borrow,fashion,etc) the computre control for this thing and > fit it to my 351W with 302 heads. Looking to build a ford "frankenmotor" > with cheap or free part for my '67. > > Brian H. Smith > 1959 TR3 > 1972 Spitfire IV > 1977 TR7 > Lake Charles, LA > and a 1967 f100 > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 00:51:21 EDT From: JUMPINFORD Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Ranger lariat door panels In a message dated 6/29/99 7:45:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 1SHOCK To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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