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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - Diesel in '66
Re: FTE 61-79 - Bronco flooding
Re: FTE 61-79 - Fw: Engine ID sticker / codes
Re: FTE 61-79 - Weird FE Water Pump
Re: FTE 61-79 - web page update
FTE 61-79 - Is this a myth?
FTE 61-79 - Cam gear spacers.
FTE 61-79 - RE. 5.0 computer
FTE 61-79 - No WWW access
Re: FTE 61-79 - Fw: Engine ID sticker / codes
FTE 61-79 - Oil Galleys
FTE 61-79 - Cam gears
FTE 61-79 - Restoration question
FTE 61-79 - 460 hp
FTE 61-79 - Re: 460hp (and other stuff)
FTE 61-79 - Door panels
Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 hp
FTE 61-79 - Re: Bronco Flooding
FTE 61-79 - Stiff steering
Re: FTE 61-79 - Stiff steering
Re: FTE 61-79 - Restoration question
Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 hp
Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 hp
Re: FTE 61-79 - Fw: Engine ID sticker / codes
FTE 61-79 - Stiff steering
FTE 61-79 - Owners manual
Re: FTE 61-79 - Owners manual
FTE 61-79 - 71 F-100 back-up lights
Re: FTE 61-79 - Owners manual
Re: FTE 61-79 - 71 F-100 back-up lights
Re: FTE 61-79 - 71 F-100 back-up lights
FTE 61-79 - Preliminary Success in IVR Replacement
FTE 61-79 - Valves
FTE 61-79 - RE:6-cyl to 302 swap and exhuming old engines
FTE 61-79 - Ranger lariat door panels
Re: FTE 61-79 - Speed Bleeders?
FTE 61-79 - interior
RE: FTE 61-79 - Preliminary Success in IVR Replacement
Re: FTE 61-79 - Weird FE Water Pump
Re: FTE 61-79 - 5.0 litre FI stand alone computer...
Re: FTE 61-79 - Ranger lariat door panels
Re: FTE 61-79 - interior

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 07:31:27 EDT
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Diesel in '66

In a message dated 6/29/99 1:06:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, vogt oro.net
writes:

> In the owner's manual of my '66 F-250 it says that a 4-cylinder diesel
> was an option.

There were 4 cyl. diesels which Ford used (Dagenhams and Dorsets)
but not in an F-100/350 truck. My suspicions were confirmed when I checked
in my MPC for 64-72. No F-series with any factory option for a diesel.

Stock Man
1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible (in need of factory rims)
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 08:04:28 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Bronco flooding

>about an hour after running. Seems to be a flooding thing, as a little blue
>smoke comes out after I finally get it cranked.


Blue is an indication of oil ... black is rich/flooded.


> Motor was completely rebuilt
>about 2 yrs ago, and has an edelbrock 4bbl intake and carb (500cfm) - carb is
>only 1 yr old. Runs great otherwise. Here's a few things I've looked at or
>tried:
>- Choke is manual, and not stuck closed
>- air cleaner is not clogged
>- Replaced bad fuel pump with an electric, located it away from engine
>compartment. Also replaced mettal fuel line (pump to carb) with rubber, and
>re-routed fuel line away from headers.
>- Installed a 1" rubber spacer.
>

Is it really a rubber spacer you've installed ? How about the fuel line,
why go to rubber on it ? It seems to me the rubber would be slower to cool
down than the aluminum/steel parts they are replacing...especially the fuel
line. Also on the electric pump, did you put a restricter of some sort in
there ? Or is this one designed to work with a carburetor, its possible
that it will start cold just fine because you need more fuel, but are
flooding out when its already warm because you don't need that much ... oh
I should have mentioned, usually elec. fuel pumps are quite capable of
filling up a carb, and without some restrictions may blow past the
needle/seat valve filling the fuel bowl and splashing into the intake.

>Anybody have any ideas about whats wrong? I'm thinking about trying
>a 3/4" plywood spacer - anybody tried that?
>
I would also check the timing and be sure you weren't too far advanced on
that, as advanced timing will make things hard to start as well. As for
the plywood spacer, those are known to absorb some of the fuel as it goes
past, I'd look into the phenolic spacers, if not a stock replacement ...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 08:05:31 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Fw: Engine ID sticker / codes

>I had always understood the 400 was designated an M since the basic block
>was derived from the 351C (albeit 1.100" taller) and I also remember the Y
>blocks being differentiated by casting numbers.
>
I think the point was that we don't call it an M because it is the only
400, the only reason the 351's get so many designations is because there
are 3 of them (W,M,C) ... it is the same block, we just don't use the M
designation behind it ...


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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 08:06:38 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Weird FE Water Pump

>
> a rumor, never actually seen any hard evidence of it. >>
>
>I thought this only applied to Mexican 302 blocks, as they have a higher
>nickel content. I could be wrong though.
>
I've only heard it applied to the 302 ... but I would imagine that the
Mexican plants got their steel from the same source, so they should all
have a higher nickel content, just that the 302 was a touch more popular
than all the 6's they probably made too.




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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 08:08:04 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - web page update

>At last, I, too, have updated my web page. Wish inspired me.

I did not make him update it before putting the link up, but hey, whatever
motivates you :)

You can get links to John's truck, and lots more stuff through my links
page now. I even have a neat link to a ... dare I say it ... J**p Wrangler
...its a bit overpowered, so its cool :)

www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html

:)


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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:26:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Sean O'Malley"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Is this a myth?

A while back, someone mentioned travelling to Brazil and seeing
many _brand new_ Ford Granadas, D*dge D*rts, and other "dark
days of Detroit" models on the streets. They claimed that this
was a result of the big makers sending their obsolete tooling
and dies to various third-world factories and licensing them to produce
those models for local sale. For the intrepid traveller, this
could be a good source for brand new FE parts; however, the
tale has the feel of an urban legend. Anybody know if this is
for real or not?

- --sean
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:49:34 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Cam gear spacers.

I'm correcting a post from yeaterday to Ted Freeman. Boy did I ever goof that
one up.

I wrote:
>>The earlier ones had a spacer seperate from the cam, but I believe the later
ones had it made onto the cam, and all the aftermarket ones I've used had the
spaces built into the cam as an offset.

Every where you see Cam in above post, I meant Cam gear. Dang - I hate it
when I do something that dumb. --- Sorry folks.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 08:56:16 -0600
From: "Mike Striegl"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE. 5.0 computer

I installed a 89 Mustang 5.0 in my 74 F-100, I had the complete wiring on
the engine and bought awire harness from Ford Motorsport that connected to
it. With this wiring comes a installation manual, the best money I every
spent on a part. I do think you could turn the top half of the manifold but
go figure the throttle linkage it would be backward then. I have worked
both car and truck EFI manifolds and I don't think they will work together
look totally different. I do know you can get rebuilt EFI computers at
Autozone a lot cheaper. Be sure to get the right year computer for the
engine, and hook up all of the sensors or it won't run right, past
experience.

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:53:55 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - No WWW access

Wiregoat writes: >> I only have e-mail and no way to access the archives.

Finally -- Another one to deal with.

Me too.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 07:47:41 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Fw: Engine ID sticker / codes

The M is used on the 351 to distinguish it from the C and W motor with the
same displacement. Since there are no other 400 Ford motors there's no need
for the M, just like there's no 390C or 302W. Obviously since the 351M and
400 share the same block it's easiest to simply refer to them as M blocks.
Don't know anything about Y blocks but on the 335s D5AZ, D7TE-A2B, D8 are
all either 351Ms or 400s.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

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From: Jett Rink
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, June 28, 1999 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Fw: Engine ID sticker / codes


>I had always understood the 400 was designated an M since the basic block
>was derived from the 351C (albeit 1.100" taller) and I also remember the Y
>blocks being differentiated by casting numbers.



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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:00:51 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Oil Galleys

Jason writes: >>The center ridge running the length of the valley is the oil
supply galley from the front cam and crank bearings. Towards the rear of
the block you'll find two more bosses that run through the oil supply
galley. If your block has plugs in these bosses, you'll need to pull one
out and look down the hole. It should be open for hydraulic lifter
usage. If it has plugs installed below the top(center) galley, the
passages are drilled, but blocked for solid lifter usage. Any
questions? This can be confusing!

This was an aftermarket function and not factory. All the early FE('60 thru
'67) hi performance solid lifter blocks did not have the drilled access passages
for hydraulics. Many people did exactly what you described to convert to
solids from factory hydraulics, though. I did a couple of them myself.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:04:26 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Cam gears

Danger writes: >> I thought that the cam spacer had been considered obsolete
because the
newer timing gears (not the cam) have it cast into them?

Yeah!! I fouled that one up good. Already saw my post from yesterday and sent
correction. (I'm in digest mode, so don't get to see post as they are posted,
but get all of them once a day)

Azie
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 07:59:28 -0700
From: Brian Koss
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Restoration question

I'm in the middle of a cab off restoration (actually bought a cab to work
on so I could still use the truck). I have a question regarding the pins or
nails that attach the cowl to hood weatherstripping. Are these small pins
simialr to the pins that hold the insulation to the firewall? Should I cut
them off and weld the holes shut and drill new holes when I reattach the
weatherstripping. Also, I will be replacing the firewall insulation. What
are the chances the existing holes in the firewall will match the new
insulation. Were the holes jigged on installation or do you think the guys
on the line just drilled holes in apprximately the same location.

I'm planning on having the floor and firewall coated with Speedliner to
help reduce noise and prevent corrosion of the floor if water gets under
the mat. After 6 years of collecting parts I'm finally ready to assemble
them.

If anybody is interested, I found a dash pad in a 66 the other day that has
only a 1 inch crack in it with the rest being in perfect shape. The yard
generally charges $15 if anybody is interested.


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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:11:11 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 460 hp

Darrell writes: >>>
not quite. Its more like 160 hp difference. (385 hp vs 220)Not only did they
drop compression, they went to a real crappy cam.

Yeah, but didn't the way they measure hp change at the same time??? In reality
do you think there is that much difference in the hp of the hi comp vs the lower
comp??? I don't feel that kind of difference in the ones I fool around with. I
would think that a true 160 hp difference (both measured the same way) would be
more than what I feel, but then again all this is JMHO.

Azie
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:06:22 -0600
From: "Richard Currit"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 460hp (and other stuff)

>
>not quite. Its more like 160 hp difference. (385 hp vs 220)Not only did =
they=20
>drop compression, they went to a real crappy cam.

Didn't they also change the HP rating system from gross to net during this =
period? This would account for part of the HP drop, but I certainly agree =
that it doesn't account for all of it.

On the other hand its been a long time since I've posted anything to the =
list here. As some of you may recall I swapped the old worn out 240 I6 =
for a remanufactured (scary) 300 I6 in the ol' 72 F-100. I'm happy to =
report that its arunnin like a champ!!!! In May me and the wife took a =
drive down to her folks place in Altoona, KS, quite a haul from Cheyenne, =
ran great. Had to stop in North Platte to back the timing off due to the =
large drop in elevation. Also wound up pulling the thermostat due to a =
bit of overheating, ran nice and cool after that. I've put the thermostat =
back in now, still likes to run warm but from I've read on the list this =
is pretty common after this motor swap. I also took it down to Delta, CO =
the other week and it ran great, only time it got very warm was coming out =
of Steamboat Springs climbing up Rabbit Ears Pass. But then this climb =
has been known to warm up an engine or two. Oh yeah, I also put a set of =
Hellwig anti-sway bars on the 'ol girl, man what a difference!!! One =
thing I'm going to look into is a bigger radiator, I forget who had the =
website showing how to hook up a 3 core from a 351M wasn't it? Also, a =
guy here at work used to be a mechanic for UPS. He claims that the UPS =
trucks ran 300 I6 engines for a long time. If so, they would have had to =
run larger radiators on them. Can anybody confirm or dismiss this?? =20

High Plains Richard
'72 F-100 =20




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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:20:18 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Door panels

JefriHanson writes: >>While we're on the subject - does anyone have, or know
who has a
drivers side door panel - Money Pit Green in color?

I'm not sure what Money pit green is, but I have a '77 F250 that I'm parting out
the body. It was two tone green (dark and light) , and I believe the panels are
also two tone. If you (or anyone) are interested, I'll check closer and post
back to you the condition and color.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:32:33 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 hp

>Darrell writes: >>>
>not quite. Its more like 160 hp difference. (385 hp vs 220)Not only did they
>drop compression, they went to a real crappy cam.
>
>Yeah, but didn't the way they measure hp change at the same time???

Yeah, they changed sometime between 71 and 73 over to SAE Net instead of
gross ... which means they had to hook up all the accessories and exhaust
to get their numbers. I think there was a change again a few years ago,
but I can't remember for sure what it was.


>I don't feel that kind of difference in the ones I fool around
>with.

You have to push the long pedal on the right to feel all of it I imagine :)

Just my 2cents

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 08:41:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dan Lee
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Bronco Flooding

You have two problems. The blue smoke is oil, possibly
from your valve guides, when your heads were rebuilt
they knurled your guides to get the right fit on your
valves. Now the knurle is wearing and oil is getting
passed. The other problem is 'heat soak.' Because you
have an aluminum manifold too much heat is conducted
to your carb and percolation occurs. This is easy to
fix. Get an insulating spacer between your carb and
manifold to prevent heat conduction.

Dan Lee
'53 F100
351C-4V
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 08:46:50 -0700
From: Eric
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Stiff steering

Friends;
I got the kingpins done on the '66 yesterday, (I'm too embarrassed to
tell how much it cost) and I'm a little disappointed. The truck steers
better, for sure, but it still tramlines a little and the steering is still
stiff. The tech said all steering linkage components are ok.
We recently discussed steering box lubrication on the list, and I was
surprised to learn that others had discovered grease rather than gear lube,
as I had. I found a pinkish grease that had been grooved by the moving
parts and replaced it with 90wt. It made no difference.
I'd really like to fix this problem. Would a steering box adjustment
help? Could a worn column bearing cause this? Or, are those big fat tires
the culprit? Any ideas?
Thanks, Eric

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:56:00 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Stiff steering

>The truck steers
>better, for sure,

Usually a good thing :)

but it still tramlines a little and the steering is still
>stiff.

Stiff I understand ... tramlines I don't quite follow, can you be a bit
more descriptive for me ?

> I'd really like to fix this problem. Would a steering box adjustment
>help? Could a worn column bearing cause this? Or, are those big fat tires
>the culprit? Any ideas?

I'm sure the big tires won't help, but also have the alignment checked
again ... be sure you've got it all set right.... the steering adjustment
could be off, check the pre-load instructions in a manual and see how that
works out possibly...and I have heard of worn columns causing some odd
stuff ... here's another one ... how are your cab mounts ? One guy told me
his steering cleared up after he put new cab mounts on 'cause it was
putting extra pressure on the column ...

Just some thoughts....



Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 11:02:00 -0500
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Restoration question

At 07:59 AM 6/29/99 -0700, you wrote:
>I'm in the middle of a cab off restoration (actually bought a cab to work
>on so I could still use the truck). I have a question regarding the pins or
>nails that attach the cowl to hood weatherstripping. Are these small pins
>simialr to the pins that hold the insulation to the firewall? Should I cut
>them off and weld the holes shut and drill new holes when I reattach the
>weatherstripping. Also, I will be replacing the firewall insulation. What
>are the chances the existing holes in the firewall will match the new
>insulation. Were the holes jigged on installation or do you think the guys
>on the line just drilled holes in apprximately the same location.

Just remove the old cowl lacing that was on there (usually it was gone
after 10 years. The kit from Dennis Carpenter comes ready to install with
clips on the lacing. They run about 16 or 17 bucks. To return it to
factory appearances (if you are as anal as I) you need to use the 3M
flexible black strip caulking behind each hole. Put a little dab in there
and push the new lace kit in.

The firewall insulation is just as easy. You can buy the kit which runs
about 150 bucks or so. Make sure you get the metal Christmas tree plugs
from Carpenter or Melvins, you do order them separately. They work much
better. It does require a little manipulating of the firewall to get them
to fit but over all, Mine went in fairly easily and looks good. There are
only 3 holes which require firewall fasteners.

Sounds like you are coming along very nicely with the project. My engine is
only half built right now and I hope the get the lifters and intake on
tonight, then the tranny and engine in the frame , then the cab and bed.

I can hardly wait to get this rolling tonight!!!!!

Stu
Nuke GM!
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 18:35:42 +0200
From: "Bill Brox"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 hp

As far as I know net hp is measured at the rear end of the transmission,
not at the flywheel,,,, this in addition to the other stuff,

Bill

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> From: William S Hart
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 hp
> Date: 29. juni 1999 17:32
>
> >Darrell writes: >>>
> >not quite. Its more like 160 hp difference. (385 hp vs 220)Not only did
they
> >drop compression, they went to a real crappy cam.
> >
> >Yeah, but didn't the way they measure hp change at the same time???
>
> Yeah, they changed sometime between 71 and 73 over to SAE Net instead of
> gross ... which means they had to hook up all the accessories and exhaust
> to get their numbers. I think there was a change again a few years ago,
> but I can't remember for sure what it was.
>
>
> >I don't feel that kind of difference in the ones I fool around
> >with.
>
> You have to push the long pedal on the right to feel all of it I imagine
:)
>
> Just my 2cents
>
> wish
>
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 11:43:32 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 hp

>As far as I know net hp is measured at the rear end of the transmission,
>not at the flywheel,,,, this in addition to the other stuff,
>
I don't think this is true ... if it were, then wouldn't they have to
advertise different hp for different trannies (since autos have more losses
than manuals) ? Not that any advertised number is ever accomplished
regularly .... There is also RWHP (rear wheel) that is gathered by putting
the car on a chassis-dyno, this will be greatly affected by the
transmission ...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:35:58 CDT
From: Jett Rink
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Fw: Engine ID sticker / codes

Well, I certainly stand corrected!


>I think the point was that we don't call it an M because it is the only
>400Remember, if it's free it can't be all bad.


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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:44:40 -0700
From: Eric
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Stiff steering

Thanks, wish
Tramlining describes a vehicle's proclivity to follow ruts in a road, as
it would follow street car rails. Wide tires often cause it.
The cab mounts are ok. I think I'll separate the pitman arm from the
steering and see if the problem is isolated to either half of the system.
It shouldn't need a steering box at 66,000, but it shouldn't have needed
king pins either....
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 15:31:48 -0400
From: Rob Long
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Owners manual

Does anyone have, or know where I can get an owners manual for my '78
F250 ? ? ? Any help would be appreciated ! !

- --
Rob
'78 F 250 - 400 - 4 spd.
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:44:40 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Owners manual

Check on eBay and keep checking. Search on 1978 ford and 78 ford. You could
also check here:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.vintage-books.com

They may not have it right now but they get lots of stuff in all the time.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

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From: Rob Long
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 12:34 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Owners manual


>Does anyone have, or know where I can get an owners manual for my '78
>F250 ? ? ? Any help would be appreciated ! !



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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 17:01:29 -0400
From: jdklaers magicnet.net (PredFan)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 71 F-100 back-up lights

Gang:

The other day I was informed that my back-up lights do not work. When
checking this, I found that it is disconnected at the switch in the engine
compartment. It is just dangling there.

My question is where is it supposed to be connected to? I can't find the switch!

The connector is a small L-shaped black connector with two black with red
striped wires coming off of one end.

Thanks

John Klaers

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 15:15:49 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Owners manual

Thanks for your message at 03:31 PM 6/29/99 -0400, Rob Long. Your message was:
>Does anyone have, or know where I can get an owners manual for my '78
>F250 ? ? ? Any help would be appreciated ! !

You might check ebay. I see many different manuals being auctioned from
time to time...

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ebay.com


Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 20:11:16 EDT
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 71 F-100 back-up lights

In a message dated 6/29/99 5:08:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
jdklaers magicnet.net writes:

>
> My question is where is it supposed to be connected to? I can't find the
> switch!
>
What kind of transmission do you have?

Stock Man
1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible (in need of factory rims)
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 21:07:31 -0400
From: jdklaers magicnet.net (PredFan)
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 71 F-100 back-up lights

Automatic. C-5 I think.

John

>In a message dated 6/29/99 5:08:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>jdklaers magicnet.net writes:
>
>>
>> My question is where is it supposed to be connected to? I can't find the
>> switch!
>>
>What kind of transmission do you have?
>
>Stock Man
>1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible (in need of factory rims)
>1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 18:35:07 -0700
From: Vogt Family
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Preliminary Success in IVR Replacement

To all it may concern, today I built and installed a new electronic IVR
(instrument voltage regulator) to replace my malfunctioning mechanical
one on my '86 F-250. I used a schematic and parts list that Mike Sloane
gave me. I bought all the parts from Digikey (www.digikey.com) except
two of the capacitors that had been discontinued, which I scrounged from
some old Commodore 64 boards I keep around for that purpose. The
discontinued part number was P1353-ND, a quick search at Digikey
revealed many, many others that would be suitable. 100 uF is the
value. This circuit uses a switching type regulator that is designed as
a replacement for the 7805. I assume it uses these capacitors, as well
as some zener diodes and a resistor, to control voltage spikes and
present a minimum load to the regulator. I'm not sure if any of this is
necessary as the gauges are always there and probably aren't too
suceptible to voltage spikes. I used a small plastic case and no
circuit board, just soldered the parts across a couple of bus wires I
put in with hot glue. When done, there are three wires, voltage in, out
and a ground, that I soldered to their original locations on the
"flexible circuit board" that is behind the instruments. It checked out
at a steady five volts and appears to be working OK. Total cost was
about $30. Feel free to ask if you have any questions.

Birken
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 18:33:48 -0700
From: Mike Pacheco
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Valves

I just received my stainless steel valves from Summit... they sent the
wrong ones and don't even offer valves for a 351C-2V... they sent valves
for 4V... does anyone know where I might purchase some. Here are the
sizes
Intake 2.044
Exhaust 1.656

Help !!! I'm at a standstill.....
Mike in Burien

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 22:32:28 EDT
From: CATLN7 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE:6-cyl to 302 swap and exhuming old engines

> My questions are, What must I do to
>safely resurect this engine, and, what grab-me-gotchas will I get into
>sticking it in place of the 240?

Has it sat for 20 years? If so a rebuild would be in order. For the swap
you will need the engine to frame mounts for 302/351W (68 to at least 77 will
work). This is a 2WD, right? You will need truck motor mounts (I used model
year 70 for ordering parts). You'll need an auto steering column, or an auto
floor shifter. You can probably use the same drive shaft(s), I had to
shorten mine as I had a 3 speed manual. And definitely a bigger radiator, I
bought one that was intended for 302 through 400 for $170 (new) at a radiator
shop. Does the Galaxy motor have the accessories (P/S, Alternator, etc.), if
not you can get those from 70 and up cars with the 302. My engine came from
a 68 Cougar so I had to change all the accessory brackets to work in the
truck (because of the change of the water pump inlet circa 69 or 70). Its
really a fairly easy swap. Good luck hope this helps


Chris Thompson
67 F100 302/C4 PDB, P/S finally!!!
68 Cougar DGS 302/C4
82 Merc LN7 1.6L/4sp
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 19:40:13 -0600
From: "Grady M. Shock"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Ranger lariat door panels

Hi all,
I have a 78 F-150 Ranger Lariat. I need new door panels but they aren't
the standard hard plastic panels they are brown and padded with an off white
stripe running through them and pockets at the bottom of the door. I like
the way they look in the truck and don't want to have to get the hard
plastick ones (like JC Whitless & Sears sell). Perhaps someone knows of a
place where I could pick some up. Maybe one of you has a set you would be
looking to get rid of? Do I have any hopes of finding these most likely
outrageously rare panels? I've never seen them in any other 73-79 F-series.
Thanks in advance for any help,
-Grady Shock

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 22:04:49 -0500
From: Michael Strawn
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Speed Bleeders?

I have the Mityvac Bleeder, and it works fine. One person job to bleed the
brakes. Just remember to keep the resevoir topped off :).

Don Yerhot wrote:

> Has any one out there tried speed bleeders? I've seen a couple
> different brands out there, Russel and I believe Earl's. They go for 10
> bucks a pair. Or how about Mityvac bleeder's? I'm having a hard time
> getting SWMBO to sit out in my old truck for an hour in the heat pumping
> on the brake pedal. TIA
>
> DonY
> 65F250-351W-435NP
> 74F100-351W-Fomoco 3on-the-tree
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:16:06 EDT
From: IanBoss69 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - interior

hey, just a wild thought i had guys while riding in my plain vinyl seat and
with my arm on the rock hard boring door panels,,,,how hard would it be to
take a late model ford pickup interior (door panels, seats, possibly dash
shell????) and install it in an older truck, without all the computers for
the dash and stuff, maybe make a new inner frame for the late-model dash
face and cover to fit with the original gauges...just a crazy idea from yours
truly

Ian
79 F250 4x4 4spd 351M
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 20:27:53 -0700
From: "Steve Schwartz"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Preliminary Success in IVR Replacement

Hi Birken,

Congratulations on your project. It is really a great idea, and should be
much more reliable.

A couple of comments (without seeing the schematic):

1) The capacitor you couldn't find is a low impedance type, and most
switching regulators require this, depending on the switcher's frequency.
You should substitute ONLY another low impedance type. The P1245-ND would
be a good choice, although it is a radial-lead type. In your case, since
you aren't using a printed wiring board, this should still fit.

2) Switchers are usually rather layout-dependent. While I have successfully
breadboarded a few older designs, many of the current chips used to drive
the switching element need specific ground routing to avoid unwanted
oscillations. If your circuit supplies enough current to run all of your
instrument panel (measure the 5V under full load), then you have dodged the
bullet.

I am aware of several off-the-shelf 12v to 5v switchers in small packages,
complete with heatsink. I think they are good for about 1A. What is the
total current requirement for your dashboard?

Thanks for sharing this.

Best,
Steve

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Vogt Family
> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 6:35 PM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com; 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Preliminary Success in IVR Replacement
>
>
> To all it may concern, today I built and installed a new electronic IVR
> (instrument voltage regulator) to replace my malfunctioning mechanical
> one on my '86 F-250. I used a schematic and parts list that Mike Sloane
> gave me. I bought all the parts from Digikey (www.digikey.com) except
> two of the capacitors that had been discontinued, which I scrounged from
> some old Commodore 64 boards I keep around for that purpose. The
> discontinued part number was P1353-ND, a quick search at Digikey
> revealed many, many others that would be suitable. 100 uF is the
> value. This circuit uses a switching type regulator that is designed as
> a replacement for the 7805. I assume it uses these capacitors, as well
> as some zener diodes and a resistor, to control voltage spikes and
> present a minimum load to the regulator. I'm not sure if any of this is
> necessary as the gauges are always there and probably aren't too
> suceptible to voltage spikes. I used a small plastic case and no
> circuit board, just soldered the parts across a couple of bus wires I
> put in with hot glue. When done, there are three wires, voltage in, out
> and a ground, that I soldered to their original locations on the
> "flexible circuit board" that is behind the instruments. It checked out
> at a steady five volts and appears to be working OK. Total cost was
> about $30. Feel free to ask if you have any questions.
>
> Birken
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 22:47:38 -0500
From: Michael Strawn
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Weird FE Water Pump

In requards to Mexican Blocks, the difference is in the main caps. US cast main
caps taper away from the mains. The Mexican castings pretty much remain uniform
in thickness from top to bottom.

William S Hart wrote:

> > Has anyone ever seen one of these before? I
> >figure he can swap front covers and put a normal FE water pump on it,
> >does anyone know if the blocks were cast differently between US and
> >Mexico?
>
> Supposedly the Mexican blocks are thicker and stronger ... but that's just
> a rumor, never actually seen any hard evidence of it. Lots of people are
> looking for the Mexican "windsors" for that reason, but I've never seen
> reference to a Mexican FE ... I think the thread about the irrigation motor
> might be a good one to look up ... try looking up the Ag section of your
> older books and see if they have a waterpump for a stationary motor listed ??
>
> Just my 2cents
>
> wish
>
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 22:55:56 -0500
From: Michael Strawn
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 5.0 litre FI stand alone computer...

I am currently in the process of doing a similar deal. '68 302 Mexican Block
with '91 model GT40 heads. I got the EFI setup in exchange for some custom
transmission tools. So far it looks like Painless Wiring (Summit Catalog) is
one solution, or perhaps a used EEC-IV setup from a Crown Vic.? Any
suggestions?

"Smith, Brian" wrote:

> I have a oppurtunity to buy a complete 5.0L EFI manifold (for $10!). Can I
> buy (or steal,borrow,fashion,etc) the computre control for this thing and
> fit it to my 351W with 302 heads. Looking to build a ford "frankenmotor"
> with cheap or free part for my '67.
>
> Brian H. Smith
> 1959 TR3
> 1972 Spitfire IV
> 1977 TR7
> Lake Charles, LA
> and a 1967 f100
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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 00:51:21 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Ranger lariat door panels

In a message dated 6/29/99 7:45:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
1SHOCK ....


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