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61-79-list-digest Monday, June 28 1999 Volume 03 : Number 225



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - sluggish trans
FTE 61-79 - Weird FE Water Pump
FTE 61-79 - Re: F250, Ranch Edition
FTE 61-79 - push rod length
FTE 61-79 - 68-72 Driver's Side Armrest Source
Re: FTE 61-79 - 68-72 Driver's Side Armrest Source
FTE 61-79 - '64 16 inch wheels update
FTE 61-79 - Push Rod Length
Re: FTE 61-79 - 68-72 Driver's Side Armrest Source
FTE 61-79 - overdrive
Re: FTE 61-79 - 68-72 Driver's Side Armrest Source
Re: FTE 61-79 - 68-72 Driver's Side Armrest Source
Re: FTE 61-79 - Mickey Mouse plastic armrest part?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Weird FE Water Pump
FTE 61-79 - push rod length
Re: FTE 61-79 - Catching up, CrewCabs, Auto Trans, Wheels, Ford Tough
Re: FTE 61-79 - push rod length
Re: FTE 61-79 - F250, Ranch Edition?
Re: FTE 61-79 - push rod length

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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 05:49:47 -0500
From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - sluggish trans

Could the vacuum modulator be bad?
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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 09:14:33 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Weird FE Water Pump

I'll tell you something I saw this weekend while working at AutoZone. A
guy came in with a water pump, and one of the other zoners was waiting
on him. The guy said he thought it was a 351, but none of the pumps we
had looked anything like it. I went outside to look at his engine (he
pulled the pump off out in the parking lot) and saw I the darndest
thing. The engine was an FE, but it had a front cover like a small
block, with the small block style perimeter bolted water pump. It
wasn't like any other pump I'd seen before. The casting number was the
normal C8TE- number, but it had a stamp on it thet denoted that it had
been cast in Mexico. Has anyone ever seen one of these before? I
figure he can swap front covers and put a normal FE water pump on it,
does anyone know if the blocks were cast differently between US and
Mexico? I felt bad not being able to find something that would work on
it, it would seem that they would have adapted an existing Ford part to
many applications in foreign stuff, but this one is a one-off.

Reminds me of my favorite line from "The Crow" when he's trying to rub
the mud off the inside of his windshield, while it's really on the
outside..."G*dd*mn foreign cars..."
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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 11:56:53 EDT
From: FORDTRKNUT aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: F250, Ranch Edition

The "Ranch Edition" was probably a 1972 (and down) F-series. I have had one
1972 that was a "Contractors Special" that I got for the motor. It had the
passenger side tool box (built into the bed), HD suspension, and radio
delete. I traded the emblems to "The Emblem" guy who goes to my local swap
meet at Englishtown NJ. If anyone wants his address I can dig around to find
his card. He is located somewhere out in Iowa (I think). Take Care!!!
Wayne Grabley
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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 11:31:06 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - push rod length

>Block Markings

> 10
> C2AE
>
> and on the passenger side
>
> C1AE
> 0015

Whoop, Whoop, Whoop, Danger, Danger! There's no such thing as a '67
Torino.

Look behind the alternator mounting area on the block just under the
head and check that number. If it's also C1 (1961) or C2 (1962) you may
have a couple of issues to deal with. The motor mount lugs on the block
are different on pre-'65 blocks. Look to see if you have two sets of
mounting bosses. If you have one set, it didn't come from a Torino
unless they used an adapter plate to fit the later mounts. It will
require the same adapter (try to get it from the previous owener) to fit
any truck application too. Been there. I had a friend who built a 390
to go in a '66 F100 and found out that the '64 block required an adapter
to make the mounts work, not a big deal to make, it's a 1/4 in. steel
plate you make that bolts between the mount and block. Ugly, but
functional. Another issue is that pre-'63 blocks use a different thrust
bearing from the later blocks. You'll need to resaerch it before you
move forward. Steve Christ's book on the FE will explain what to look
for.

> The heads are marked
>
> D2TEAA
> 203

'72-up 360/390 truck heads. They should be the small-port w/rounded
corner 76 cc chambers.

> the crank is stamped C4AE-B

I don't have a list of crank numbers. 352's (and 360's) could have that
number too. You need to check the stroke to be sure.

> Only after I had these did I see the thread about different push rod >lengths (a long scream goes here).


There's an article that's on the FTE site about FE pushrods and how to
check them. It's not all that hard. Federal Mogul makes an adjustable
rocker to fit the stock shaft, and they aren't that expensive. When I
build my 390 I plan to use them with the 427-425 HP solid-lifter cam. I
prefer mechanical cams because you can use a lot more duration but still
have strong low-end. I want more compression. Just what my over-geared
(4.56's) '65 needs.
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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 09:52:24 -0700
From: Tim Bowman
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 68-72 Driver's Side Armrest Source

Does anyone know if 68-72 driver's side armrests are being reproduced or
if somehow they can be repaired like dashboards? I'm looking for one
for a 68 and a 71 F100. I've found the passenger side (excellent
condition) at swap meets but have had no success in locating the
driver's side.

Tim Bowman
Burien, WA
71 F-100



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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 13:02:29 -0500
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 68-72 Driver's Side Armrest Source

Tim,

Most everyone has them. Try Melvin's at 770-981-2357 Part number
AR1000LH only in black. $35.00
Bought a set from them and hey are identical to the OEM piece. Very good
quality too.


Later,

Stu
Nuke GM!
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At 09:52 AM 6/27/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Does anyone know if 68-72 driver's side armrests are being reproduced or
>if somehow they can be repaired like dashboards? I'm looking for one
>for a 68 and a 71 F100. I've found the passenger side (excellent
>condition) at swap meets but have had no success in locating the
>driver's side.
>
>Tim Bowman
>Burien, WA
>71 F-100

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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 11:01:40 -0700
From: "Jeff Carver"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - '64 16 inch wheels update

Well, AAA picked up the truck on Friday, gotta
love the AAA Plus plan, up to 100 miles towing
instead of 5. I asked for a flatbed and got one.
Last time I got towed (major carb leak) they crunched
the original metal license plate frame. Anyone
have one from Ellsworth Harrold Ford in Sacramento?
Yeah, right, like someone has a pile of these sitting
around.

Additional measurements has revealed that the
original wheels on my '64 F100 are 16x5 rims and
should have 16x6.5 tires. I have three of these
rims (this includes the spare in original white).

I've decided to find a couple of original style rims
and get back on the road with new bias ply tires all
around and save the pennies and later buy a set of
aftermarket rims in the original style and run
radials on them, and keep the bias ply for no
apparent reason! Well, there is still some
apprehension that the radials will cause some
handling problems, if the changeout of springs
doesn't cure the problem.
Anyone have a couple of '64 style rims available?

Jeff
'64 F100 CrewCab


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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 18:09:14 -0700
From: "O'Connor"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Push Rod Length

If I remember correctly from when I did my 352, you turn the crankshaft to
different positions and it allows certain pushrods to have no tension on
them. When the push rods have no tension on them, you pivot the rocker arm
back all the way. With a feeler gage, you measure the gap between the arm
and the valve stem. I think it is suposed to be between .050-.150". If it
is not, you can buy oversize or undersize push rods at places like Auto
Zone. If that doesn't do the trick, you need to look at the condition of
the arms and the shaft they ride on.

Tim 66F100 SWB Custom Cab 352 P/S & O/D
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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 16:04:29 -0700
From: Jeff Harsha
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 68-72 Driver's Side Armrest Source

Just Dashes (www.justdashes.com) 1-800-247-3274 says that if you send them
yours they can repair it to original specs (color and all). Quoted me
$80.00 for my '69. I haven't tried it yet but I understand they do good
work

Tim Bowman wrote:

> Does anyone know if 68-72 driver's side armrests are being reproduced or
> if somehow they can be repaired like dashboards? I'm looking for one
> for a 68 and a 71 F100. I've found the passenger side (excellent
> condition) at swap meets but have had no success in locating the
> driver's side.
>
> Tim Bowman
> Burien, WA
> 71 F-100
>
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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 16:14:03 -0700
From: "Barry Renfro"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - overdrive

I have a 69 f 100 w/300, 3ontree, recently bought a overdrive tranny but
minus the kickdown switch and relay and the cable. the rearend has a 3.70
ratio, is that a proper ratio for the o/d? Is there any difference on
installing this on my truck? TIA

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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 20:25:01 -0400
From: "Ted and Sarah Freeman"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 68-72 Driver's Side Armrest Source

I had Just Dashes redo the dash in my '70 Torino GT. Very nice work. They
resealed everthing with the factory grain and color. The put on a thicker
layer of the finish coat to help it from cracking again and I think they put
a UV protector in the grain as well. I had mine done about three years ago
and it still looks new.

- -Ted

P.S. They told me they could recover anything, not just dashes.



>Just Dashes (www.justdashes.com) 1-800-247-3274 says that if you send them
>yours they can repair it to original specs (color and all). Quoted me
>$80.00 for my '69. I haven't tried it yet but I understand they do good
>work


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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 20:34:54 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 68-72 Driver's Side Armrest Source

Im seein this go back and forth, and I think I remember someone sayin that
Van armrests are the same. like the 75 and up body style. I could be wrong
though.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 22:42:15 -0500
From: cannandale netpointe.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Mickey Mouse plastic armrest part?

i think they are metal, not platic.. never seen a plastic one, mine are
steel..

cannandale
'78 F250 4x4, 460

At 01:45 PM 6/25/99 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Does anyone have a spare little plastic "finger cup" for a 73-79 that screws
>in just behind the armrest? Any color will do....just need one....
>
>Thanks!
>
>CJ
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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 22:06:12 -0500
From: "Norm"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Weird FE Water Pump

The engine was an FE, but it had a front cover like a small
> block, with the small block style perimeter bolted water pump. It
> wasn't like any other pump I'd seen before. The casting number was the
> normal C8TE- number, but it had a stamp on it thet denoted that it had
> been cast in Mexico. Has anyone ever seen one of these before?

We used to use the old FE motors on our irragation pumps alot. And I seem to
remember them being a bit unusual like that.....can't say for sure but If I
remember correctly they were all a offshoot of the Ford marine engines! But
at any rate I am sure this isn't much help but I thought I would mention it!
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I
> figure he can swap front covers and put a normal FE water pump on it,
> does anyone know if the blocks were cast differently between US and
> Mexico? I felt bad not being able to find something that would work on
> it, it would seem that they would have adapted an existing Ford part to
> many applications in foreign stuff, but this one is a one-off.
>
> Reminds me of my favorite line from "The Crow" when he's trying to rub
> the mud off the inside of his windshield, while it's really on the
> outside..."G*dd*mn foreign cars..."
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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 19:40:33 -0700
From: Dennis Dellinger
Subject: FTE 61-79 - push rod length

Hi
Since I am one of the people that doesn't snip his posts ( don't know
how yet) I will just try to reply to posts in the order they came to me.

Bill Beyer
I have a set of Comp Cams push rod length tools only problem is that
they have no index mark, something I will have to deal with now.
Jason Kendrick
From the bore size and information from a later post it is a 61 390
bored 40 thousandths. The heads are from the right era whether they had
the bosses drilled from the factory or not they are there now. Your
comments on the cam and crank create a puzzle for me, the lifters that
came with this engine are hydraulic with a monster Sig Erson cam ( specs
at end of post). The crank when tapped lightly rings a bell tone. And I
did buy this block from a hard core racer. As I said a puzzle.
William Ballinger
The numbers you directed me to indicate a 61 block making the adapter
plate is my only option and I thank you very much for telling me about
it now. An article on the FTE site? Where everyone should look before
they ask a question that has been answered hundreds of times before?
Oops shoulda looked, will now. You and Jason both Quote Steve Christ's
book, getting a copy before proceeding is a very good (necessary?) idea.

O'Connor
I don't have a valve train yet but I can use this info with the
adjustable push rods.
Thanks to all for the help and especially for the problems that I did
not foresee.
BTW the cam that came with this block will never pass the sniffer. It's
a Sig Erson with .525" lift, 276 duration on both intake and exhaust and
56 degrees of overlap If anyone can use this cam email me off the list.
Thank you
Dennis Dellinger

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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 00:13:10 EDT
From: IanBoss69 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Catching up, CrewCabs, Auto Trans, Wheels, Ford Tough

hey the windsor thing wasn't my fault the guy i bought it off of said it was
a windsor, and i wasnt really paying attention to details, :-)

Ian
79 F250 4x4 4spd 351M
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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 21:19:34 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - push rod length

If you set the pushrod tool to the correct length and send it to Comp Cams
they will measure it and send you a set of the correct length pushrods...or
if you have a pushrod of known length you can compare it to the tool and
measure the difference. Also I did find out that Crane does make adjustable
FE rockers.

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From: Dennis Dellinger
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Sunday, June 27, 1999 9:03 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - push rod length


>I have a set of Comp Cams push rod length tools only problem is that
>they have no index mark, something I will have to deal with now.



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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 00:20:55 EDT
From: IanBoss69 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - F250, Ranch Edition?

In a message dated 6/26/99 1:17:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
SHill48337 aol.com writes:

> The differences I noted were the emblem, tool boxes
> built into the lower part of box and fancy chrome.

Now that you mention it a guyaround here has a supercab 73-77 2wd and it has
toolboxes built into the lower portion of the bed sides, right in front of
the rear wheel well, i always thought it looked neat and assumed he had it
done by a shop, guess not

Ian
79 F250 4x4 4spd 351M
members.aol.com/ianboss69/page/home.htm
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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 20:22:49 -0700
From: Dennis Dellinger
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - push rod length

Thanks Bill
Dennis

Bill Beyer wrote:

> If you set the pushrod tool to the correct length and send it to Comp Cams
> they will measure it and send you a set of the correct length pushrods...or
> if you have a pushrod of known length you can compare it to the tool and
> measure the difference. Also I did find out that Crane does make adjustable
> FE rockers.
>
> -----Original Message-----....


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