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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - re: fte-61-79-300six performance parts
Re: FTE 61-79 - Mickey Mouse plastic armrest part?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Catching up, CrewCabs, Auto Trans, Wheels, Ford Tough
Re: FTE 61-79 - Wheels fittin ...
FTE 61-79 - F250, Ranch Edition?
FTE 61-79 - LMC Truck Catalog
FTE 61-79 - Need Source for Poly cab mounts
FTE 61-79 - 300six performance page
Re: [Re: [FTE 61-79 - RE: Stall speed]]
Re: FTE 61-79 - F250, Ranch Edition?
Re: [Re: [FTE 61-79 - RE: Stall speed]]
Re: FTE 61-79 - Need Source for Poly cab mounts
Re: FTE 61-79 - 300six performance page
FTE 61-79 - push rod length
Re: FTE 61-79 - push rod length
FTE 61-79 - King pin reamers
Re: FTE 61-79 - push rod length
FTE 61-79 - Bloomsburg Jamboree
FTE 61-79 - 69 Update
FTE 61-79 - Fw: Engine ID sticker / codes

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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 09:23:06 -0600
From: "David Wiese"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - re: fte-61-79-300six performance parts

to tony pscio.com
hi tony i would like to know if you have any other sources for 300six perf
parts i know jeggs has a four barrel intake that recamends a 390 cfm carb
but it dose not list any camshafts to go with it i am looking for low to mid
range torque spec i know about clifford perfomance but i live in wi a little
spendy yo get parts from him can you help
thanks dave
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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 07:31:17 -0700
From: Don
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Mickey Mouse plastic armrest part?

I found that a little hunting in a "recycled parts" place yielded METAL
"finger cups" for the arm rests..just sand them down..paint em...never
replace broken plastic ones again!!
Don

At 01:02 PM 6/25/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Does anyone have a spare little plastic "finger cup" for a 73-79 that screws
>in just behind the armrest? Any color will do....just need one....
>
>Thanks!
>
>CJ
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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 07:57:38 -0700
From: Don
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Catching up, CrewCabs, Auto Trans, Wheels, Ford Tough

Don't remember if i already sent this out once...i put factory ford 16"
rims off of a 94-95 f2504x4 on my 1978 F250 4X4 and used them for 10k-20k
miles with NO problems,zip,nada,NONE!
Ian, this isn't like the last question you had about the 351 windsor
motor in your 79 F250 4X4 is it????? ;-)


At 04:04 PM 6/25/99 -0400, you wrote:
>whats up with this? so what happens if 16" wheels won't fit? i may be
>bringing up an old subject here but im pretty sure 16.5 rims are the smallest
>size that will fit, pretty much telling me i have to get smaller brakes?
>
>Ian
>79 F250 4x4 4spd 351M
>members.aol.com/ianboss69/page/home.htm
>
>True Blue Ford Blue
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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 08:13:43 -0700
From: Don
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Wheels fittin ...

Ian, if you have a F250 it has a dana 60 in the rear, unless someone has
changed it. if you crawl under the back of the truck and look on the back
of the pumpkin on the lower right side (if memory serves) you will see some
raised numbers on the case. This should be a number 60. Ok, now go look at
the front of the truck and at the lower right corner of the pumpkin and you
should see either a 44 or 60 in raised numbers. Also, the 60 is quite a bit
larger in size (at least noticeable) then the 44. Also, your vin number
will tell you what axle ratio and size you have (unless these were changed).
Good luck with yer rig

Don

>good chance it has the dana 60 and the snowfighter package? the font brakes
>
>Ian
>79 F250 4x4 4spd 351M
>members.aol.com/ianboss69/page/home.htm
>
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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:00:26 -0400
From: Brent Cole
Subject: FTE 61-79 - F250, Ranch Edition?

I was in Knoxville TN the other day and in the Lowe's parking lot I saw a
stock looking F250 2wd with an odd looking badge on the cowl. I went over
to look at it and it said Ranch Edition. This was the first truck I have
seen with these markings. Was this a custom dealer option / package or
what? If so, what would be different about this truck? I couldn't see
anything that made it any different than the normal F250s. It was of the
73-78 body style.

Brent

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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:07:13 -0400
From: Brent Cole
Subject: FTE 61-79 - LMC Truck Catalog

I just received a catalog from LMC Truck that sells all kinds of OEM and
repo parts for 73-79 trucks and bronco's. The company is out of Kansas and
was wondering if anyone on the list has ordered from them. The prices seem
reasonable and they have a web site www.lmctruck.com Before I order
anything from them I wanted to be sure they are not another JC Whitless.

Brent

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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:32:52 -0400
From: Brent Cole
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Need Source for Poly cab mounts

I would like to find a source for poly cab mounts. I have found stock
rubber ones but not poly. Any suggestions?

Brent

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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 11:27:00 -0400
From: Tony Marino
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 300six performance page

Hi Dave--

I'm going to have to put together a "generic" text about my 300, my work
in it, and what's on it... This question is starting to come up more often!
(I'm glad some people realize that they dont have to have "piston evny" in
order to feel like they own a manly truck! (GRIN)) I'll tell you what,
if you aren't in a big hurry, to save me from typing everything twice, I'll
put together something this weekend on it with pictures. If you have any
questions after that, I'd be more than happy to answer them-- I noticed on
the list everybody telling you to write me, but I have been so busy I
didnt' want to get into something I may not be able to keep up with! 8-)
Lemme get my stuff together (work and hauling a truck from Montana--
(haven't forgot about you Dave!), and I'll get something for you this
weekend and post it to the list. Thanks--

Tony
tony pscico.com
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/~tony


At 09:23 AM 6/26/99 -0600, you wrote:
>to tony pscio.com
>hi tony i would like to know if you have any other sources for 300six perf
>parts i know jeggs has a four barrel intake that recamends a 390 cfm carb
>but it dose not list any camshafts to go with it i am looking for low to mid
>range torque spec i know about clifford perfomance but i live in wi a little
>spendy yo get parts from him can you help
> thanks dave
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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 11:27:15 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: [Re: [FTE 61-79 - RE: Stall speed]]

At 12:07 PM 6/25/99 -0500, you wrote:
>A shift kit will give you firmer shifts and help with acceleration, but the
>big reason is it will reduce heat by reducing slippage as the transmission
>goes gear to gear.
>

"Fordman" is outta here. He's just another reincarnation of
the jerk who started all the touble.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 13:11:57 EDT
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - F250, Ranch Edition?

In a message dated 6/26/99 8:23:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ColeJB ftc-i.net
writes:


stock looking F250 2wd with an odd looking badge on the cowl. I went over
to look at it and it said Ranch Edition. This was the first truck I have
seen with these markings. Was this a custom dealer option / package or
what? If so, what would be different about this truck? >>

I just ran into one of these yesterday, as I have been keeping an eye out for
a new box for my 72 F-250. (I may still contact you Steve) Anyway, this was
a 72 not a 73-79 style. The differences I noted were the emblem, tool boxes
built into the lower part of box and fancy chrome. There were probably other
differences inside that I did not look at. But, when comparing it to my
Custom model it looked pretty good. Just my opinion, but, I think this one
was a factory package.
Burt Hill Kennewick Wa 1972 F-250 4x4 460 (still rebuilding)
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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 11:49:44 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: [Re: [FTE 61-79 - RE: Stall speed]]

Thank you Ken.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

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From: Ken Payne
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Saturday, June 26, 1999 8:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Re: [FTE 61-79 - RE: Stall speed]]


>At 12:07 PM 6/25/99 -0500, you wrote:
>>A shift kit will give you firmer shifts and help with acceleration, but
the
>>big reason is it will reduce heat by reducing slippage as the transmission
>>goes gear to gear.
>>
>
>"Fordman" is outta here. He's just another reincarnation of
>the jerk who started all the touble.



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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:43:38 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Need Source for Poly cab mounts

Energy Suspension http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.energysuspension.com makes poly cab mounts.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

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From: Brent Cole
To: Truck List
Date: Saturday, June 26, 1999 8:20 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Need Source for Poly cab mounts


>I would like to find a source for poly cab mounts. I have found stock
>rubber ones but not poly. Any suggestions?



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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:49:17 CDT
From: Jett Rink
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 300six performance page

Nice page, Tony. Great to see somebody giving the big six its due.




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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 17:43:29 -0700
From: Dennis Dellinger
Subject: FTE 61-79 - push rod length

Hi Folks
after following several threads on this list I determined that I had to
have heads with air injector ports to make the 360 in the 76 F-150
California smog legal. I found and bought the heads, then I also bought
a machined 390 short block in a basket. Only after I had these did I see
the thread about different push rod lengths (a long scream goes here).
The block was out of a 67 Torino according to the seller the numbers I
found on it were
On the drivers side front

10
C2AE

and on the passenger side

C1AE
0015

The heads are marked

D2TEAA
203

and the crank is stamped C4AE-B
I know this is very little information to go on. Thank you for any help
you can give me.
Dennis Dellinger

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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 19:23:05 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - push rod length

The best way to determine the correct pushrod length is to assemble the
engine and get a pushrod length tool from someone like Comp Cams. They can
then get the right length for you. The only other option is an adjustable
valvetrain but I don't know jack about FEs so maybe that's not an option.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

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From: Dennis Dellinger
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Saturday, June 26, 1999 7:06 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - push rod length


>Hi Folks
>after following several threads on this list I determined that I had to
>have heads with air injector ports to make the 360 in the 76 F-150
>California smog legal. I found and bought the heads, then I also bought
>a machined 390 short block in a basket. Only after I had these did I see
>the thread about different push rod lengths (a long scream goes here).



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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 21:27:36 -0500
From: Larry Brown
Subject: FTE 61-79 - King pin reamers

some time ago someone posted a address or company that sold tools to
install king pins, reamers, hones or the like. Could you please repost any
info on it.
Thanks
Larry

"The statistics on sanity are that one out of every four people is
suffering from some form of mental illness. Think of your three best
friends. If they're okay, then it's you."
-Rita Mae Brown

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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 22:04:06 -0500
From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - push rod length

> The block was out of a 67 Torino according to the seller the numbers I
> found on it were
> On the drivers side front
>
> 10
> C2AE
>
> and on the passenger side
>
> C1AE
> 0015
>
> The heads are marked
>
> D2TEAA
> 203
>
> and the crank is stamped C4AE-B
> I know this is very little information to go on. Thank you for any help
> you can give me.
> Dennis Dellinger

All this info comes from Steve Christ's book "How to rebuild your big
block Ford"
As near as I can figure, your block is probably a '61 or '62 390 Hi
Porfomance block. They used solid lifters and had an oil pressure releif
valve at the rear of the block. It could also be a '62 406 block with
soliod lifters and the same oil pressure releif valve. And, it could
also be a '61 or '62 352 block! The best way to tell which one you have
is to check the bore diameter. The original bores on these three blocks
were:
352 = 4.000
390 = 4.050
406 = 4.130
Of course, if the block has been machined, you'll have to subtract the
overbore to get the original bore size.
According to the book, your heads are '72-'76 360,390,428 heads that
are NOT equipped for air injected ports. There has obviously been a
misprint or an error here.
And according to the book, your crank is a 1964 cast iron 427 peice. It
has the same stroke and bearing sizes as a 390. I have actually heard of
people(hardcore racers) removing the forged crank and replacing it with
a cast iron 390 crank because the cast crank is about ten pounds
lighter! Can anyone else find a different application for these casting
numbers? A quick note here- you cannot run hydraulic lifters in a solid
lifter block unless the lifter oil passages are unplugged. And yes,
there are six different size pushrods!
Good luck, Jason
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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 23:31:28 EDT
From: FORDTRKNUT aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Bloomsburg Jamboree

Well.....Its that time again!!!! The Bloomsburg 4 Wheel & Offroad Jamboree
Nationals are on July 9th thru 11th. I will be there all three days for all
the fun. The best part in my opinion is the Saturday Night Cruise up & down
Main Street. If you have never gone to Bloomsburg Jamboree....GO....its
worth the trip. They Manufacturer Area has some of the best prices that I
have seen. They also have the Tough Truck Competition which my friend is
entering (73 Heep with 400 C$%^y). I am driving my Brown (Body work not
finished) 1979 Bronco there. It has 39-1/2" Boggers, 4" Suspension, 3" Body,
Bushwacker Cutout Fender Flares, and 8 Lug Conversion. If your going let me
know off list (so we don't tie up the list) Hope to see some of "The Gang"
there.
PS......If we hang out I'll buy the first round of go karts at the Kart track
off route 11

Wayne Grabley
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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 23:53:52 EDT
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 69 Update

Well, today Montana Mark and I (CJ) finished up the 78 project (F-250 4x4
frame off resto) and started on CJ's old red "Disco Rig" (69 F-100/F250 4x4).
Anyway, pulled the front clip, the 390, the old NP 435 and the Dana 21. We
actually got the new NP 435 and 205 in place....

We figured we would mention that this new setup is out of a 76 F-150 4x4.
This is not a simple bolt-in conversion. It appears that I am going to have
to figure out a way to lower the transmission mount.....plus move it back
about two inches.....send me a message if you want details.

Something else, as I was suspecting all along, the older 435s (pre-75 or so)
and the newer 435s (76-79) don't have the same tail shafts or rear bolt
pattern....just so you know...

Anyway, does anyone have experience with "custom" transmission mounts? Maybe
Advance Adapters?

Anyway, I want to thank Montana Mark for his expertise and strong back in
helping me get this far......by the way, don't attempt this without renting a
transmission jack!!!!

Mark has a scar on the back of his hand to prove this from the last time he
tried to do this....

Of course, we also had some expert guidance from Dave R.....even though it
wasn't related to M blocks!!!!!

Anyway, hope to drop in the 428 sometime in the next month or two.....so it
goes...

CJ, Montana Mark, and Dave R.








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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 08:13:52 +0200
From: "Robert Wiblin"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Fw: Engine ID sticker / codes

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