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61-79-list-digest Friday, June 25 1999 Volume 03 : Number 222

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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - NP 203
Re: FTE 61-79 - stall converters
FTE 61-79 - Performance parts for a 300 I6
Re: FTE 61-79 - Finally got those new kingpins...
Re: FTE 61-79 - F-350 GVW Ratings (1964-72)
Re: FTE 61-79 - whining
FTE 61-79 - stall converters
Re: [FTE 61-79 - Performance parts for a 300 I6]
Re: [FTE 61-79 - RE: Stall speed]
Re: [FTE 61-79 - RE: Stall speed]
Re: FTE 61-79 - F-350 GVW Ratings (1964-72)
FTE 61-79 - RE: steering box lube
Re: FTE 61-79 - Anyone using 16 inch wheels?
FTE 61-79 - voltage regulator
Re: FTE 61-79 - Performance parts for a 300 I6
FTE 61-79 - 1976 Super Cab FS
Re: FTE 61-79 - 1976 Super Cab FS
FTE 61-79 - Mickey Mouse plastic armrest part?
Re: FTE 61-79 - 1976 Super Cab FS
Re: [Re: [FTE 61-79 - RE: Stall speed]]
RE: FTE 61-79 - Mickey Mouse plastic armrest part?
Re: FTE 61-79 - 1976 Super Cab FS
Re: [Re: [FTE 61-79 - RE: Stall speed]]
FTE 61-79 - Mickey Mouse plastic armrest part?
Re: [Re: [FTE 61-79 - RE: Stall speed]]
Re: FTE 61-79 - Mickey Mouse plastic armrest part?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Mickey Mouse plastic armrest part?
FTE 61-79 - "Finger Cups"
FTE 61-79 - Catching up, CrewCabs, Auto Trans, Wheels, Ford Tough
Re: FTE 61-79 - Mickey Mouse plastic armrest part?
Re: FTE 61-79 - 1976 Super Cab FS
Re: FTE 61-79 - 1976 Super Cab FS
FTE 61-79 - Speed Bleeders?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Speed Bleeders?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Catching up, CrewCabs, Auto Trans, Wheels, Ford Tough
FTE 61-79 - Wheels fittin ...
RE: FTE 61-79 - Catching up, CrewCabs, Auto Trans, Wheels, FordTough
RE: FTE 61-79 - Catching up, CrewCabs, Auto Trans, Wheels, FordTo ugh
FTE 61-79 - Wheels fittin ...
Re: FTE 61-79 - Catching up, CrewCabs, Auto Trans, Wheels, FordTough
RE: FTE 61-79 - Wheels fittin ...
Re: FTE 61-79 - Catching up, CrewCabs, Auto Trans, Wheels, FordTough
FTE 61-79 - Smokin Joe Camel
Re: FTE 61-79 - Wheels fittin ...
Re: FTE 61-79 - Smokin Joe Camel
Re: FTE 61-79 - Smokin Joe Camel
Re: FTE 61-79 - Smokin Joe Camel
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Extended Warrantees
FTE 61-79 - sluggish trans
Re: FTE 61-79 - sluggish trans
FTE 61-79 - NP 203
RE: FTE 61-79 - Anyone using 16 inch wheels?

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 07:28:23 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - NP 203

>>I would like
>one that could have parttime or full time or all 4 locked together as
>selectable
>by a shift lever('s), but I don't think that is about to happen.

Now, now, Azie. The levers and the dials and the computer all make it too
easy. All you need is a full time system. When you want full time, no
problem. When you want part time (only rear drive I assume) you take out
the front drive shaft and throw it in the box to rattle around. Put transfer
case in Hi Lock and take off.
Note: I learned this trick the hard way. Once bought a 4x4 with the front
drive shaft behind the seat. I discovered when I put it back that I had a
broken half shaft in front. :-( $$$.

- -- John
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 08:29:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Sean O'Malley"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - stall converters

> with a higher stall you can get more revs before the engine gets full load
> put on it, hence for pulling a trailer, you can get farther up in the rev
> band to help you with pulling the trailer and reduce the "lugging" on the
> engine.

Hm. If I understand the concept correctly, you'll be trading off better
engine performance for more stress on the trans, right? Won't a higher
stall speed generate more heat, especially under towing loads?

- --sean
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:06:51 -0400
From: David Henderson
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Performance parts for a 300 I6

David:

The only place for performance parts for a 300 I6 is
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.cliffordperformance.com . The stuff is pricey, though. I do not
have any real experiences with the end result, yet, but as of tomorrow morning,
I should be able to tell you. There are some things you will need to watch out
for (actually plan for) and on Monday I'll elaborate in one post. Not that I'm
trying to keep any secrets, but I would rather send only one post and who knows
what problems I'll encounter tonight.

As for an update:
1) Sunday evening I had the old 300 I6 removed
2) Monday evening I had the new 300 I6 and new clutch installed and in place
3) all day Tuesday, I spent installing the intake and headers and working on my
alternator bracket. I also ordered a throttle cable and bracket kit.
4) Wednesday evening I had the intake and headers installed, the power steering
installed, and figured out the alternator bracket
5) Thursday morning I had spacers cut for my alternator bracket

I should be able to give you some advice and comments on the stuff from
Clifford by Monday morning. Good luck!!

Dave H

PS Tony Marino (mailto://tony

pscico.com) is the real expert on this, my memory
is just a little fresher than his having done this more recently ;^)

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Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - whining

i get that too, same sender, list, time/date topic... hmmm

cannandale
'78 F250 4x4 460

At 06:06 PM 6/24/99 -0500, you wrote:
>
>> No actually this is the first time I've seen this kind of thread happen, at
>> least on this list, in the year and a half I've subscribed. It's really a
>
>Speaking of which.. do you guys also get all these duplicate messages? At
>least one in five messages I read I have read before. I am not talking
>about quotes, but really the same sender, same time/date. Very annoying :(
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 08:58:47 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - stall converters

>>I hope this makes some sense and clears things a little, though I think I
missed something obvious ...

Thanks, wish. It did make sense. In manual terms I translate it to granny
low. The only thing obviuos we both missed was breakfast.:-(

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Date: 25 Jun 99 09:33:12 CDT
From: Ford Man
Subject: Re: [FTE 61-79 - Performance parts for a 300 I6]

I've used Clifford items on other Ford inlines with good results. They kn=
ow
their business.

David Henderson wrote:
David:

The only place for performance parts for a 300 I6 is
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.cliffordperformance.com . The stuff is pricey, though. I do =
not
have any real experiences with the end result, yet, but as of tomorrow
morning,
I should be able to tell you. There are some things you will need to wat=
ch
out
for (actually plan for) and on Monday I'll elaborate in one post. Not th=
at
I'm
trying to keep any secrets, but I would rather send only one post and who=

knows
what problems I'll encounter tonight.

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Date: 25 Jun 99 09:37:45 CDT
From: Ford Man
Subject: Re: [FTE 61-79 - RE: Stall speed]

Add a shift kit and transmission cooler if you go with a higher stall spe=
ed
convertor.

"George W. Selby, III" wrote:
Stall speed is the maximum speed the engine can go without spinning the =

output shaft of the transmission. The classic method of testing (holding =

the brake and gas at the same time and seeing what rpm it is) reveals low=
=

numbers, as the brakes cannot usually hold the engine torque at the stall=
=

speed (the rears spin, and the front holds the car still. The stall spee=
d =

varies according the torque output of the engine, the more torque, the =

higher the stall speed. So the exact same torque converter could have a =

stall speed of 1500 rpm behind a mild 302, and 3000 rpm behind a built 46=
0. =

Higher stall speeds equal more heat for the tranny. So any labeled stal=
l =

speed on a torque converter is merely an educated guess, and may vary =

considerably. The best bet is to talk to a professional at one of the =

major Torque converter remans or a tranny shop, and get their =

recommendation.

Hope this helps a little.

George Selby
78 F-150 400M, 4 on floor, 4x4
86 Audi 4000CS Quattro
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:40:12 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: [FTE 61-79 - RE: Stall speed]

At 09:37 AM 6/25/99 , you wrote:
>Add a shift kit and transmission cooler if you go with a higher stall speed
>convertor.
>
Can I ask why to add the shift kit at the same time ? Is that to
compensate for potentially reduced line pressures, or for some other reason ?

The reason I'm asking is because if you get too much of a shift kit in
there, you'll bang the gears so hard you'll lose traction in some
situations (ie snow/loose gravel)...

Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 10:48:24 EDT
From: TBeeee

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Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - F-350 GVW Ratings (1964-72)

In a message dated 6/25/99 9:38:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, wish

iastate.edu
writes:

> the older 64-72 F-500's were like grain trucks right ?

Yeah more or less. My dad has one with an FT 330 cid that used to be a
"Paint" truck for a construction company that painted bridges. It had a
"van" body with overhead doors. I suspect it had been on the scene of
numerous bridge paintings since it has so much paint caked on it. The last
coat looks like maybe the crew was boared over lunch and decided to paint the
entire rig. I plan on making this one a small dump (project No. 59 on the
list)

Stock Man
1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible (in need of factory rims)
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 10:40:55 -0400
From: "Don Haring, Jr."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: steering box lube

Deputy said:

> The box has the gray grease all around the gears and the box. I've never
> seen any tube labeled "steering gear grease" either! Yeah, I know what the
> whole oil and water thing looks like. This isn't it though, good thought.
> I'm going to do what you suggested and clean the whole box out over the
> weekend and put in new gear oil. Thanks for the help.

I messed around with the steering on my van last fall. My steering was very
sloppy, so I wanted to adjust the steering box. When I opened the filler
hole, I didn't see anything resembing gear oil either -- it was like you
describe, thick grease. I have a restoration manual for Mustangs, and there
is a very detailed article about rebuilding steering boxes. The author says
to use high temp grease, like wheel bearing grease, in the box.

If you follow the instructions in a shop manual to adjust the box, it
REALLY improves the feel of the truck. I got rid of just about all of the
slop. Unfortunately, I got the pre-load too tight, so I need to get back in
there and loosen that up a bit. I was warned by several old timers not to
just crank the worm gear screw in. You have to adjust the pre-load first
and not overtighten the worm, or you'll wear out the inside components.

> Complicating this though is that I've been getting a chatter in my steering
> wheel sometimes. Usually I notice it when I'm just taking up the play in
> the steering or barely steering around a gentle bend in the road. I hope
> this isn't bad news. Any ideas?

I've never experienced that before. I don't think it would be the steering
box, but it could be tires or steering/suspension adjustment. I would guess
that something is slghtly out of alignment, causing the chatter at low
speeds. I heard of one person (can't remember if it was on this list or
another) that said he was having steering problems. He thought it was a bad
steering box, but it turned out to just be that one of the steering box
bolts was loose. Maybe jsut check to see that everything is tight, and take
it in for a front end alignment.

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 08:07:26 -0700
From: Brian Koss
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Anyone using 16 inch wheels?

> I realize that you need a 16" 5 lug pattern. I am not familiar with
>a 16" rim on an F-100 series truck. However, a quick look in my MPC
>indicates that several different vehicles came equipped that way. I can run
>down specifics if you need any info. I also wonder if there is any NOS out
>there. I would just say that based on my experience you should not be
>disappointed with a radial. If your truck doesn't react well to a set of
>radials it probably means that you have a suspension and/or steering issue to
>deal with. Good luck.

I spent a lot of time researching putting 16 inch factory rims back on my
66 F-100 4x4. I have a set of factory rims, 16x5.5. The only tires that
will fit them today are the 16x7.00 (Approx 29 inch OD). You can put bigger
tires on them but the the rim width is narrower than the minimum rim width
recommended by the tire manufactures. Stockton Wheels in Stockton
California will custom amke any size width and offset for $100 a wheel. A
little less for non powder coated wheels. For $45 per wheel they will
replace the outer section. For $100 I purchased a set of chrome wheels off
a 92 Bronco and mounted 33x9.5 BFG TA's. The're not period correct but they
look good on the truck and I still have the ground clearance of the 33's.
An added benefit of getting rid of the 33x12.5 Mudders is that I can now
here myself think while I'm driving.

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 17:47:05 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: FTE 61-79 - voltage regulator

hi guys,

Ever since I got my truck I have not been too happy about the charging
system. I blew two voltage regulators on long trips, both had the effect
that it would start charging the h#ll out of everything, it even fried my
battery. Then the third one did the opposite, it stopped charging
completely. In all cases it happened from one instance to the other, no
"transition period". I replaced the regulator again, had my alternator
tested and they said it was probably on its way out. I got a new heavy
duty one, 65 amp. And I added a ground wire directly from the alternator
to the regulator on the fender. Since then I drove some 10k miles and it
did not blow anymore. But the voltage with the engine running had always
been about 14.5 - 14.8 volts. Now since a month or so the voltage is 13.5
volts. The voltage does seem to be constant, even with the engine idling
and all the accessories on (high beams, heater at full blast etc) it does
not drop. Then when I turn off the engine the voltage drops to 12.5 - 12.8
or so. Obviously it is charging. Would I have a problem coming up here, or
is this "normal"? Please share your experiences.

Thanks,
Bas.

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:50:00 EDT
From: TWL1911

aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Performance parts for a 300 I6

Hey
have you ever tried splitting your manifold. my nighbor did that and his
trucks can really go wheh he needs to. just a few suggestions
Travis

www.angelfire/ia/comanderbubba/fordtruck.html
66 Ford F-250 camper special
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:45:57 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1976 Super Cab FS

Just saw a 1976 2wd Super Cab (that's what it says on the rear side windows
I swear!) Camper Special w/460. Body's in good shape no dents a little rust
in the rear cab corners both sides, bed's good, no tailgate, interior OK,
dash isn't butchered still has factory AM radio, couldn't see the mileage,
guy wants $2900. If anyone is interested I'll get the phone #.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:46:23 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1976 Super Cab FS

At 11:45 AM 6/25/99 , you wrote:
>Just saw a 1976 2wd Super Cab (that's what it says on the rear side windows
>I swear!) Camper Special w/460. Body's in good shape no dents a little rust

here's an odd thought, what if the difference between the super cab and the
king cab is the rear seat(s) ? Seems like I read you could get a bench or
the jump seat style in the back ... maybe the jumpseats take up less room,
hence a king cab ?

Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 13:02:47 EDT
From: BDIJXS

ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, June 25, 1999 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1976 Super Cab FS

>here's an odd thought, what if the difference between the super cab and the
>king cab is the rear seat(s) ? Seems like I read you could get a bench or
>the jump seat style in the back ... maybe the jumpseats take up less room,
>hence a king cab ?

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Date: 25 Jun 99 12:07:20 CDT
From: Ford Man
Subject: Re: [Re: [FTE 61-79 - RE: Stall speed]]

A shift kit will give you firmer shifts and help with acceleration, but t=
he
big reason is it will reduce heat by reducing slippage as the transmissio=
n
goes gear to gear.

Can I ask why to add the shift kit at the same time ? Is that to
compensate for potentially reduced line pressures, or for some other reas=
on ? =

The reason I'm asking is because if you get too much of a shift kit in
there, you'll bang the gears so hard you'll lose traction in some
situations (ie snow/loose gravel)... =

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 10:22:23 -0700
From: "Brandt, Chris"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Mickey Mouse plastic armrest part?

A guy in my area made up a few solid Al finger cups, expensive as hell but
after putting them on I would pay double what he charged....

> -----Original Message-----
> From: BDIJXS

aol.com [SMTP:BDIJXS

aol.com]
> Sent: Friday, June 25, 1999 6:03 PM
> To: 61-79-list

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> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Mickey Mouse plastic armrest part?
>
> Does anyone have a spare little plastic "finger cup" for a 73-79 that
> screws
> in just behind the armrest? Any color will do....just need one....
>
> Thanks!
>
> CJ
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 10:09:00 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1976 Super Cab FS

It had a bench seat in the back but it was either reupholstered or not stock
'cause it was the wrong color. BTW I forgot to mention that this truck is in
SW Wash. state...

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

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From: William S Hart
To: 61-79-list

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Date: Friday, June 25, 1999 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1976 Super Cab FS

>here's an odd thought, what if the difference between the super cab and the
>king cab is the rear seat(s) ? Seems like I read you could get a bench or
>the jump seat style in the back ... maybe the jumpseats take up less room,
>hence a king cab ?

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Date: 25 Jun 99 12:07:20 CDT
From: Ford Man
Subject: Re: [Re: [FTE 61-79 - RE: Stall speed]]

A shift kit will give you firmer shifts and help with acceleration, but t=
he
big reason is it will reduce heat by reducing slippage as the transmissio=
n
goes gear to gear.

Can I ask why to add the shift kit at the same time ? Is that to
compensate for potentially reduced line pressures, or for some other reas=
on ? =

The reason I'm asking is because if you get too much of a shift kit in
there, you'll bang the gears so hard you'll lose traction in some
situations (ie snow/loose gravel)... =

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 13:02:47 EDT
From: BDIJXS

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Subject: FTE 61-79 - Mickey Mouse plastic armrest part?

Does anyone have a spare little plastic "finger cup" for a 73-79 that screws
in just behind the armrest? Any color will do....just need one....

Thanks!

CJ
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 19:43:50 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: Re: [Re: [FTE 61-79 - RE: Stall speed]]

> The reason I'm asking is because if you get too much of a shift kit in
> there, you'll bang the gears so hard you'll lose traction in some
> situations (ie snow/loose gravel)...

I know a guy who rebuilt his transmission and he had a mask he could drill
out so it would let more fluid through and hence the band would apply
faster. The manual specified sizes from "mode" 1 (soft) to 5 (firm). The
manual says the transmission can handle 5 easily and that it is the best
for the transmission, but that you should not do it with a stock
driveshaft :). Anyway he did 2 and he took me for a ride; it shifts so
hard, my cup of coffee pretty much flew out of my hand when it went to
2nd. Don't want to know what 5 is like! Another reason why it shifted like
that is probably because IMHO he programmed the shiftpoints way too high,
even with slow acceleration his engine went to like 3500 rpm. When I
accelerate like that (stock C6) it shifts at 1500 or so, and takes much
less throttle to do the same. His setup is pretty screwed up as far as I'm
concerned, but he seems to like it a lot. And if he's happy with it, so am
I :)

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 12:48:14 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Mickey Mouse plastic armrest part?

>Does anyone have a spare little plastic "finger cup" for a 73-79 that screws
>in just behind the armrest? Any color will do....just need one....
>
I think mine are metal ... I don't have an extra, but can probably pick one
up on the way home from work tonight ... maybe in whatever color you want
too ... the piece you grab to close the door when the window's up right ?

Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 12:58:49 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Mickey Mouse plastic armrest part?

At 12:48 PM 6/25/99 , you wrote:
>>Does anyone have a spare little plastic "finger cup" for a 73-79 that screws
>>in just behind the armrest? Any color will do....just need one....
>>
Hmmm...after reading someone else's post on this, maybe I'm not thinking of
the right thing ...

I was talkin about the cup in the top of the armrest, next to the door, 2
screws go through it into clips ? Maybe my 73 is different than the newer
ones this way ...

Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:23:54 -0400
From: David Henderson
Subject: FTE 61-79 - "Finger Cups"

WiSH:

There were some trucks sent out with metal "finger cups". A friend of mines
'78 F-150 XLT had them. My plastic ones are broken as well (along with the
door panels). At the beginning of next month I'm going back to San Antonio to
visit my parents. I'm also planning on visiting a few of the local salvage
yards. I'll try to scrounge up as many metal ones as I can find and let the
list know how many I got. No requests yet though, please. Thanks!!

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:34:50 -0700
From: "Jeff Carver"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Catching up, CrewCabs, Auto Trans, Wheels, Ford Tough

Been catching up on posts from the past few weeks.

Thanks Pat. Ford offered crewcabs, the ones with
4 real doors in 1965. Mine is a coachbuilt '64
F100. The '65's and newer were F250's/350's.

The original auto trans in my truck lasted 175K
before it needed $200 worth of work. Until that
point it had had some fluid added once. Dad was
PO'd at the high cost of the tranny work! It had
shifted without noticing it was so smooth, but has
clunked while shifting ever since.

Ford tough? This truck started life as a F100
longbed with the 5000 GVW option. It currently
weighs in at 4700 with me in it. Dad had a custom
built 8 foot camper with a crew cab length cabover
section on it for a couple of decades. The camper
weighed in at about 1500 pounds without the 3 kids,
dogs, gram, and camping gear. Any wonder why
the springs are flat? Lots of memories. Learned
to drive in this beast. No power steering, but
it has a B**ck power brake booster. Still working
air conditioning, Park Air. He added 16x7.5 rear
tires and overload springs, 16x6.5 stock.

At a tire shop yesterday was told that all tire
and wheel manufacturer's are quitting the 16.5
wheels, yet offering more 16 tires. Kinda forces
those with 16.5's to buy new wheels when the
time comes to get new tires. He said something
about tire people breaking their arms trying to
it 16's onto 16.5's. I guess to get the low
profile look on big rims. These changes are due
in the fall. Steel scrap prices are really low
right now, so if you have 16.5's and need 16's
hit the yards while they are eager to sell stuff,
since it doesn't pay them to sell steel to scrap.

My owners manual includes the tire sizes, including
different ones with trucks with different options,
such as the 5K GVW versus the 4K standard.

Back when we got the truck, we referred to them
as '4 door' trucks, the crewcab term came a few
years later after they were more available and were
used to carry 'crews' of workers to the jobsite.

Jeff
'64 F100 CrewCab

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:38:17 -0400
From: Rob Long
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Mickey Mouse plastic armrest part?

wish,
My 78 had those cups that you mentioned that sets down in the arm
rest/door handle. Mine are metal also.

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 15:01:31 -0400
From: William A Whited
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1976 Super Cab FS

Wish, My 74 SUPERCAB has the jump seats and says "SUPERCAB" on it, my 79
SUPERCAB has the bench. I'm not really sue if "King Cab" applies to Fords.
This reminds me of the Step side Flairside conversation awhile back.

William S Hart wrote:

> here's an odd thought, what if the difference between the super cab and the
> king cab is the rear seat(s) ? Seems like I read you could get a bench or
> the jump seat style in the back ... maybe the jumpseats take up less room,
> hence a king cab ?

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74 F100 RANGER SUPERCAB 390
77 F100 CUSTOM FLAIRSIDE 302
79 F100 EXPLORER SUPERCAB 302 (PARTS TRUCK)
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 13:58:50 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1976 Super Cab FS

At 02:01 PM 6/25/99 , you wrote:
> Wish, My 74 SUPERCAB has the jump seats and says "SUPERCAB" on it, my 79
>SUPERCAB has the bench. I'm not really sue if "King Cab" applies to Fords.
>This reminds me of the Step side Flairside conversation awhile back.
>
DOH! there goes that theory ... I thought someone on the list said they
had a truck that said King Cab on it ... but I never reallyunderstood if it
was a 4door or not ... (yes I know 4 doors are generally crew cabs)

Incidently someone mentioned calling the crew cabs 6 packs ...seems to me
like a chevy term since theirs were labelled 3+3 ...

Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:09:01 -0500
From: Don Yerhot
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Speed Bleeders?

Has any one out there tried speed bleeders? I've seen a couple
different brands out there, Russel and I believe Earl's. They go for 10
bucks a pair. Or how about Mityvac bleeder's? I'm having a hard time
getting SWMBO to sit out in my old truck for an hour in the heat pumping
on the brake pedal. TIA

DonY
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 12:42:06 -0700
From: "Josh Assing"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Speed Bleeders?

> Has any one out there tried speed bleeders? I've seen a couple
I"ve tried the cheap ones that are basically a oen way vavlve, a
brass tube; with a ball bearing & spring to hold it in place.
JUNK....

> getting SWMBO to sit out in my old truck for an hour in the heat pumping
Go to your bigger equipment rental places, ask for a power bleeder.
It basically is a reseviour that you fill with brake fluid, then add
compressed air in a bladder (so air/water doesn't actually touch the
fluid) then another bit snaps/screws over the master; and you just
crack the bleeders on the brakes and watch the fluid come out.
VERY fast, VERY easy. I did two trucks, a car, and 3 motorcycles
(all full fluid changes) in under 4 hours.

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 16:04:28 EDT
From: IanBoss69

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Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Catching up, CrewCabs, Auto Trans, Wheels, Ford Tough

whats up with this? so what happens if 16" wheels won't fit? i may be
bringing up an old subject here but im pretty sure 16.5 rims are the smallest
size that will fit, pretty much telling me i have to get smaller brakes?

Ian
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 15:11:03 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Wheels fittin ...

>whats up with this? so what happens if 16" wheels won't fit? i may be
>bringing up an old subject here but im pretty sure 16.5 rims are the smallest
>size that will fit, pretty much telling me i have to get smaller brakes?
>
I've seen this thread several times now, and it always seems like people
have 16's on their 3/4ton's ... I know my dad's truck that I'm drivin now
has 16's on it, and its an F250HD, but its also an 89 ... My advice, which
isn't worth much, would be to find someone you know who has a newer one
with 16's, or hit a salvage yard, they'll probably let you try one first to
be sure it fits before you buy it.

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If anyone else wants/needs(??) a link to their page from mine, feel free to
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Just my 2cents

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 13:18:45 -0700
From: "Steve Schwartz"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Catching up, CrewCabs, Auto Trans, Wheels, FordTough

16" wheels will fit. I have them on my '73 F250 2WD with dual piston
calipers (big).

Best,
Steve

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16" wheels will fit. I have them on my '73 F250 2WD with dual piston
calipers (big).

Best,
Steve

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>
>
> whats up with this? so what happens if 16" wheels won't fit? i may be
> bringing up an old subject here but im pretty sure 16.5 rims are
> the smallest
> size that will fit, pretty much telling me i have to get smaller brakes?
>
> Ian
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 15:11:03 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Wheels fittin ...

>whats up with this? so what happens if 16" wheels won't fit? i may be
>bringing up an old subject here but im pretty sure 16.5 rims are the smallest
>size that will fit, pretty much telling me i have to get smaller brakes?
>
I've seen this thread several times now, and it always seems like people
have 16's on their 3/4ton's ... I know my dad's truck that I'm drivin now
has 16's on it, and its an F250HD, but its also an 89 ... My advice, which
isn't worth much, would be to find someone you know who has a newer one
with 16's, or hit a salvage yard, they'll probably let you try one first to
be sure it fits before you buy it.

PS I'm working on my links page, its just about updated to include you.
If anyone else wants/needs(??) a link to their page from mine, feel free to
email me and let me know.

Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 13:25:33 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Catching up, CrewCabs, Auto Trans, Wheels, FordTough

Besides tire manufacturers are still making 16.5 inch tires. Even the new BF
Goodrichs are made in 16.5. They may decide to phase them out over time but
for the foreseeable future I don't think we have much to worry
about...hmmm...maybe it's all a big government conspiracy to get old trucks
off the road...

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Date: Friday, June 25, 1999 1:14 PM
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Catching up, CrewCabs, Auto Trans, Wheels,
FordTough

>16" wheels will fit. I have them on my '73 F250 2WD with dual piston
>calipers (big).

>> On Behalf Of IanBoss69

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>> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Catching up, CrewCabs, Auto Trans, Wheels,
>> FordTough
>>
>>
>> whats up with this? so what happens if 16" wheels won't fit? i may be
>> bringing up an old subject here but im pretty sure 16.5 rims are
>> the smallest
>> size that will fit, pretty much telling me i have to get smaller brakes?

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 13:28:31 -0700
From: "Brandt, Chris"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Wheels fittin ...

I know for sure that 16" wheels will fit the biggest brakes Ford offered on
the older trucks (Dana 60 front end with snowfighter package) Just be sure
that the ofset is correct. Use a factory steel wheel or a higher quality:
Micky Thompson, Alcoa, Factory Ford (all the same) or Weld Super Single
wheel. The problem developes when you are trying to use a cheap cast Al
wheel that has a thick section. The 16.5 "mag style" wheels I took of my
truck had less caliper clearance in front than my current Micky Thompson
16"'s do..... You get what you pay for.

CB

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> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Wheels fittin ...
>
> >whats up with this? so what happens if 16" wheels won't fit? i may be
> >bringing up an old subject here but im pretty sure 16.5 rims are the
> smallest
> >size that will fit, pretty much telling me i have to get smaller brakes?
> >
> I've seen this thread several times now, and it always seems like people
> have 16's on their 3/4ton's ... I know my dad's truck that I'm drivin now
> has 16's on it, and its an F250HD, but its also an 89 ... My advice, which
> isn't worth much, would be to find someone you know who has a newer one
> with 16's, or hit a salvage yard, they'll probably let you try one first
> to
> be sure it fits before you buy it.
>
> PS I'm working on my links page, its just about updated to include you.
> If anyone else wants/needs(??) a link to their page from mine, feel free
> to
> email me and let me know.
>
>
> Just my 2cents
>
> wish
>
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 16:28:30 EDT
From: IanBoss69

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Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Catching up, CrewCabs, Auto Trans, Wheels, FordTough

well i sure hope 16" fit, sounds like they will, thanks for calming my fears
guys,

ian
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 16:34:23 EDT
From: IanBoss69

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Subject: FTE 61-79 - Smokin Joe Camel

after driving my truck for over 30 minutes the engine will start to smoke
slightly from the passenger side of the engine, the smoke is light light
white like steam almost but it seems to originate near the back of the
engine, away from any water. My first thought was engine sludge that is
heating up and starting to burn. It has quite a bit of crap all over it,
pretty grimy. I'm going to clean it off see if that works, but i also have
fears that the head may be cracked and it is indeed steam coming from the
crack in the heads. any ideas? I plan to get another 351/400M soon(if you
have one you're getting rid of let me know) to rebuild while i still drive
the original so if it is a cracked head can i drive it like that till i can
swap the engines.

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 16:39:12 EDT
From: IanBoss69

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Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Wheels fittin ...

I know for a fact that the truck was once a city snowplow, so is it a pretty
good chance it has the dana 60 and the snowfighter package? the font brakes
are huge also, much bigger than the rear. I was planning on 16x10 Superior
Monte Carlos, i don't know for sure what type of metal they are, know if
they'd fit? anybody?

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 15:42:39 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Smokin Joe Camel

>after driving my truck for over 30 minutes the engine will start to smoke
>slightly from the passenger side of the engine, the smoke is light light
>white like steam almost

White would point to anti-freeze/coolant, that's for sure ...

> but it seems to originate near the back of the
>engine, away from any water.

Well not any water, your heads and block and intake all have
water/antifreeze running through them ...

> I'm going to clean it off see if that works, but i also have
>fears that the head may be cracked and it is indeed steam coming from the
>crack in the heads. any ideas?

I would say its more likely that you have a bad head gasket than a cracked
head ... a bad gasket may hold (for now) until pressure develops in the
system, then when you get a certain amount of pressure it'll slowly release
it and come out as steam ... another thing to check is your coolant level,
if you have some disappearing and don't know why, this will probably be
your cause ... My truck got to leaking pretty bad, but I couldn't tell
where ... turned out it was a head gasket that would only leak with
pressure on the system ... one day I walked out after bein in the store for
only a few minutes to find my truck "leaking" on the ground way back on the
motor by the master cylinder ... a new headgasket (and 4V intake while I
was in there) and it was as good as old ... still to worn to be a new
motor, but it didnt' leak anymore.

Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 13:53:16 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Smokin Joe Camel

Not to be nit picky but the 351M/400 engines don't have coolant running thru
the manifold. Also if you have anti freeze in your truck and it begins to
get hot and vaporize you can definitely tell by the odor what exactly is
leaking.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

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Date: Friday, June 25, 1999 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Smokin Joe Camel

>>after driving my truck for over 30 minutes the engine will start to smoke
>>slightly from the passenger side of the engine, the smoke is light light
>>white like steam almost
>
>White would point to anti-freeze/coolant, that's for sure ...
>
>
>> but it seems to originate near the back of the
>>engine, away from any water.
>
>Well not any water, your heads and block and intake all have
>water/antifreeze running through them ...
>
>> I'm going to clean it off see if that works, but i also have
>>fears that the head may be cracked and it is indeed steam coming from the
>>crack in the heads. any ideas?
>

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 16:00:30 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Smokin Joe Camel

>Not to be nit picky but the 351M/400 engines don't have coolant running thru
>the manifold.

Doh! you're right, I'd forgotten that ... guess I've had my head in the FE
and Windsors for so long I forgot :)

Also if you have anti freeze in your truck and it begins to
>get hot and vaporize you can definitely tell by the odor what exactly is
>leaking.
>

Unless you haven't smelled it before ... but once you do its a smell you
remember ...

drive up lane>

space til his wife can pick him up :)

I felt bad for him ... but I bet he'll pay closer attention to that heat
gauge/lite next time.

>"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"
>
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>Date: Friday, June 25, 1999 1:45 PM
>Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Smokin Joe Camel
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>>>after driving my truck for over 30 minutes the engine will start to smoke
>>>slightly from the passenger side of the engine, the smoke is light light
>>>white like steam almost
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>>White would point to anti-freeze/coolant, that's for sure ...
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>>> but it seems to originate near the back of the
>>>engine, away from any water.
>>
>>Well not any water, your heads and block and intake all have
>>water/antifreeze running through them ...
>>
>>> I'm going to clean it off see if that works, but i also have
>>>fears that the head may be cracked and it is indeed steam coming from the
>>>crack in the heads. any ideas?
>>
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Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 17:03:25 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Extended Warrantees

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:07:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: Daniel DiMartino
Subject: FTE 61-79 - sluggish trans

i posted this question a while ago but i didn't see any response, my problem is the trans
in my 68-F250 C6 struggles to get into drive (3rd gear) it is fine in 2nd and first but
it will rev like the dickins and slip when drive is selected. this problem is due to the
fact that the truck was never driven over 20mph. working on a airport flight line i have
seen this happen to transmissions before. the fluid is clean on the dip stick and
serviced,(just a tad overserviced). i'm hopeing just driving it will work out the bugs
but does anyone have any ideas where i should start looking for solutions??

===
Daniel DiMartino

1968 F-250 soon to be a 4x4
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 16:08:07 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - sluggish trans

>but does anyone have any ideas where i should start looking for solutions??
>
>
Check the alignment of the gear shift with the actual gears on the tranny
... move the selector a little to either side of D and see if it pops right
in or not ... as the bushings get old and wear, sometimes the gears "move"
and you'll need to tweak the adjuster a little bit ... I can't give you an
exact method for doing this, but once you find out where the gear is
supposed to be, i think you can probably figure a way to adjust it.

If this is not the case, its outta my realm as the auto is one of those
wonders of the world to me ...

Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 16:07:27 -0600
From: Bret Godfrey
Subject: FTE 61-79 - NP 203

I am still a little confused about the np203 t-case. I have a
203 t- case that has obviously been changed to part time, but I now have
4hi, 4low, 2hi, and 2low. My shift knob is labeled as follows.

_I Lock
_I 4hi
I Lo
I 4lo
N I ........

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