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61-79-list-digest Wednesday, June 23 1999 Volume 03 : Number 215

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Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961-1979 Trucks and Vans
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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - Headers?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Headers?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Headers?
Re: FTE 61-79 - NP203 and NP205
FTE 61-79 - NP205 swap for NP203
FTE 61-79 - C6 Transmission
FTE 61-79 - Dura-Spark-Mallory
Re: FTE 61-79 - C6 Transmission
Re: FTE 61-79 - Thanx for the trim !
Re: FTE 61-79 - Dura-Spark-Mallory
Re: FTE 61-79 - MY FIRST OFFROADING TRIP!
Re: FTE 61-79 - Tricks and Tips (was NP203 and NP205)
FTE 61-79 - RE: NC Tint Law
Re: FTE 61-79 - Tricks and Tips (was NP203 and NP205)
FTE 61-79 - blinking headlights
FTE 61-79 - Re: ignorant or stupid (little bit of both?)
FTE 61-79 - somebody must know?
FTE 61-79 - window tint
Re: FTE 61-79 - C6 Transmission
Re: FTE 61-79 - somebody must know?
Re: FTE 61-79 - C6 Transmission
Re: FTE 61-79 - timing
FTE 61-79 - timing?
FTE 61-79 - window tint
FTE 61-79 - shifter solutions
RE: FTE 61-79 - RE: Electronic Ignition / Lights-a-flashin'
Re: FTE 61-79 - window tint
Re: FTE 61-79 - window tint
Re: FTE 61-79 - window tint
ADMIN: Re: FTE 61-79 - Thanx for the trim !
FTE 61-79 - Steering Wheel restoration
FTE 61-79 - constant variable tranny
Re: FTE 61-79 - timing
Re: FTE 61-79 - OHIO tint laws
FTE 61-79 - ARB Air locker
FTE 61-79 - Growling while in 4WD
Re: FTE 61-79 - Growling while in 4WD
Re: FTE 61-79 - window tint
Re: ADMIN: Re: FTE 61-79 - Thanx for the trim !
Re: ADMIN: Re: FTE 61-79 - Thanx for the trim !
Re: ADMIN: Re: FTE 61-79 - Thanx for the trim !
FTE 61-79 - Re: Points and condenser in 73
Re: FTE 61-79 - Dura-Spark-Mallory
FTE 61-79 - 79 F100 with 460 cid
Re: FTE 61-79 - somebody must know?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Points and condenser in 73
Re: ADMIN: Re: FTE 61-79 - Thanx for the trim !
Re: FTE 61-79 - C6 Transmission
Re: FTE 61-79 - Tire Sizes
FTE 61-79 - 390 front cover/motor mount
Re: FTE 61-79 - blinking headlights
Re: FTE 61-79 - 390 front cover/motor mount
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: NC tint laws
Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 van, ack..
FTE 61-79 - RE-truck trim
Re: FTE 61-79 - C6 Transmission
Re: FTE 61-79 - NP203 and NP205
Re: FTE 61-79 - NP205 swap for NP203
FTE 61-79 - Cab Bushings
Re: FTE 61-79 - 390 front cover/motor mount
Re: FTE 61-79 - Freewheeling OD

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:35:05 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Headers?

My 79 passes the sniffer even without the cats that came on it. I could put
headers on it legally because the AIR system goes into the intake manifold
instead of the exhaust. It has a 400 in it with EGR, AIR, cats (used to
anyway) and canisters.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

- -----Original Message-----
From: sdelanty

sonic.net
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Date: Tuesday, June 22, 1999 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Headers?

>Travis wrote:
>>just throw on headers it doesnt matter on a truck thats old they could
never
>>pass a smopg test
>
> Why not? Any well tuned motor that isn't a severe oil burner
> (And passes the visual inspection) should be able to slip thru
> the smog test O.K.
> My '71 FE390 with headers and mild cam passed the Ca. smog check
> with ease. Max allowable unburned HC is 300ppm, I slipped thru at
> 176ppm. Can't remember the CO numbers, but it was about 1/2 the
> max allowable also.
> This was when the motor was JUST rebuilt and not broke in yet (less
> than 150 miles on rebuild) and with a very poorly running stock 2-bbl
> carb. Now that it's well broke in (almost 60K miles) and with the
> well tuned edelbrock carb that's on it now, I'm sure the numbers
> would be much better...
>

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 13:41:56 -0400
From: James Oxley
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Headers?

> The inexpensive (
> came with a little sheet metal tube that clamps to a header tube with
> a hose clamp and feeds warm air to the air cleaner HAC valve.
> This makes them "smog legal" for California, and they even came with
> a C.A.R.B. sticker proclaiming them to be smog legal in all states.
>

WOOO HOOOOO!!, CARB approved headers. Full length??? Maybe there is hope
for my truck (78) yet?

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 13:41:13 EDT
From: Bad4dFilly

aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Headers?

In a message dated 06/22/1999 5:24:56 PM !!!First Boot!!!,
Tom.Hogan

kla-tencor.com writes:

What year/engine truck do you have? If the Headers will not defeat any
existing smog equipment they may be completely legal. >>

I have a 1977 F-150 4x4 with a 400 under the hood

smog laws so if it is legal there many times it is legal in your area.>>

Yeah tell me about it, I'm in LA area of Southern California and smog laws
are pretty tuff here! =(

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 12:56:57 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - NP203 and NP205

>>I have a couple ideas here. 1) to make 4 wheeling a bit more fun, get
>>about a foot long bungee cord and hook it to the bottom of the dash, it'll
>
>I don't know if I want to ride around with you in your truck WISH ;-) Do you
>have the engine held in with bubble gum? ;-)
>

No, bubble gum is for the gas tank, eggs for the radiator, and bailing wire
for almost everything else ... I'll have to ask Grandpa for sure, but
seems like he's got a couple more tricks up his sleeve from "field
dressing" tractors ... :)

ps I actually used bolts when putting the motor mounts back in :)

Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 14:00:03 -0400
From: am14

daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - NP205 swap for NP203

Matt Schumacher writes: >>Anyone ever swap out a NP203 for a NP205 in a 76
F-150.

Yep!!! I did it once. A '76 F150 4X4 lwb.

>>I would like to go to part time 4 wheel drive, but don't care for the
conversion kit.

Ditto here.

>>The truck is a 76 F-150 4x4, 390 engine, C6 tranny.

So was the one I did, except when I did mine it also had a 428CJ in it.

>>Is it a pain?

Easy IF you get everything you need. Roughest part is the transfer case. It is
some kind of heavy. The 203 is heavier than the 205.

>>Can it be done?

Yep!

>>Do I need a converter?

If you are speaking of torque converter - NO.

Here is a list of the differences as I remember them(and my memory isn't what it
used to be)
Both drive shafts are different lengths.
The adaptor between the tranny and the Transfer case is different (I think).
Maybe not - maybe I'm thinking of the standard tranny vs automatic. (like I
said, the memory ain't good)
Shifter is different.
Front hubs will need part time lockouts.

That's all I remember. If you can find a donor vehicle that has everything you
need, that is the way to go. I got my pieces from three different vehicles.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 14:19:04 -0400
From: Rob Long
Subject: FTE 61-79 - C6 Transmission

Correct me if I'm wrong... but an quick, easy way to ID a C6 Tranny is
by the shape of the pan? C6 will have a notch in one corner:
_____
| |
| | __
| |
| |
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And the C4 tranny is square? ? ?

Thanks...
- --
Rob
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 11:49:27 -0700
From: "J.S.H."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Dura-Spark-Mallory

> Mine likes to pop out of 4wd a lot. So often that I have to
>have my passenger keep his foot on the shift lever when we are wheeling.

I have had this problem twice.First time it was bad mounts.Second
time I had to adjust the linkage to "push" it in to gear farther.
My T-case is divorced.

>Lots of guys put Dura Spark from later(74?-76)truck FEs on the earlier
>ones.

>I think you're limited to 75 or maybe only 76 ..

I'm sure 75s have Dura Spark,Unsure about 74s

>I took the Dura Spark off and put a Mallory Uni-Lite($200)on mine.

>Can I ask why ? Just curious as I'm gathering the ambition to do the
>Duraspark on mine and wondering what your reasoning was for going to >the Mallory ?

Relucter(sp) went bad.Destroyed dist #1 trying to get relucter out.
Bought rebuild.Wrong one.Took it back.Got another one,bad relucter.
Took it back and got one so slopped out I couldn't set timming.
Tryed to get brand new dist.from Ford.Heard the word that sends shivers
up a grown mans spine.Obsolete.They only had rebuilts.
Grew tired of driving girlfriends squareback so I boughjt a Mallory.
Dura-Spark is a good system and I had no trouble with it up to that
point.
I went with the Mallory mainly out of frustration. I have had no
problems with the Uni-Light and would recommend it.
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 14:59:13 -0400
From: tfreeman

murphyfarms.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - C6 Transmission

Yes, I haven't looked at a C4 in a while. But the C4 should be square.

- -Ted

Correct me if I'm wrong... but an quick, easy way to ID a C6 Tranny is
by the shape of the pan? C6 will have a notch in one corner:
_____
| |
| | __
| |
| |
-----------
And the C4 tranny is square? ? ?

Thanks...
- --
Rob

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 14:07:13 CDT
From: Robert Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Thanx for the trim !

If you won't sweat my posts, I won't tell your boss you're using the company
computer and email for this stuff.

>From: pdesanto

Cinergy.com
>Reply-To: 61-79-list

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>To: 61-79-list

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>Subject: FTE 61-79 - Thanx for the trim !
>Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 12:02:42 -0400
>
>Thanx a lot guys for the trim job. Todays "re-posted" posts only used up 14
>pages. Hey Johannes & Robert.....Learn how to trim your posts ! When you
>hit
>"reply", how about just replying to the line your interested in, and NOT
>the
>whole darn post. Jeeze! I'll haul all this wasted paper to the dump in my
>truck. ( Ford truck content)
>
> > Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999
> > From: "Johannes Fluetter"
> > Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - window tint
> > I go to school in Edmond, work inOKC (TAFB).
> > John
> > - -----Original Message-----
> > From: Robert Brown
> > To: 61-79-list

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> > Date: Monday, June 21, 1999 9:19 PM
> > Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - window tint
> > >Edmond (work in Anadarko)
> > >From: "Johannes Fluetter"
> > >>Reply-To: 61-79-list

ford-trucks.com
> > >>To:
> > >>Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - window tint
> > >>Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 20:44:45 -0500
> > >>Where in OK are you located, Rob?
> > >>John F.
> >
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 14:11:15 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dura-Spark-Mallory

>>I'm sure 75s have Dura Spark,Unsure about 74s
>
I know 74's dont, at least not the early ones (I have one)

> I went with the Mallory mainly out of frustration. I have had no
>problems with the Uni-Light and would recommend it.

cool. I've got everything to convert mine to duraspark (came with a motor
I bought). It looks like right now I'm going to take the dist in to the
local Auto Elec. shop and have them go through it before I put it on, then
just swap to duraspark for now, with an eventual move to an MSD box
probably ... just wanted to be sure I wasn't going the long route for
something that won't work very well.

Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 13:14:43 -0700
From: "Danger"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - MY FIRST OFFROADING TRIP!

> > I wear my leather gloves most of the time when working on my trucks.
This
> > includes body work and repairs on the tranny and engine. The gloves are
a
> > knuckle saver and kept your hands clean.
............

> My input is that I tried gloves and I'm pretty clumsy with 'em (I don't
> consider myself clumsy without them). Especially if you have to reach
where
> you cannot see you have no clue what's going on. Only when handling heavy
> or sharp pieces of metal I rarely use them to protect my hands. Personal
> preference I guess... but I've been pretty successful at keeping my hands
> from being damaged. But I must admit I don't seldomely get to work with
> black finger nails :)
...........

I've restored a 68 F250 and two 69's and I still don't like to get my
hands dirty... hehe

I often use leather gloves for heavy or sharp objects, and disposable latex
(lightly pre-powdered) when doing oil changes or packing bearings.

Danger

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 13:22:39 -0700
From: "Danger"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Tricks and Tips (was NP203 and NP205)

> No, bubble gum is for the gas tank, eggs for the radiator, and bailing
wire
> for almost everything else ... I'll have to ask Grandpa for sure, but
> seems like he's got a couple more tricks up his sleeve from "field
> dressing" tractors ... :)
................

I might go along with the gum, and I always have bailing (aka mechanics)
wire around, but eggs for the radiator?... What's up with that?

Danger

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 15:19:12 -0400
From: "George W. Selby, III"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: NC Tint Law

From June 1986 to about 1996 it applied to vehicles that were not already
tinted, something about ex post facto. Now NC law applies to all cars,
regardless of age, except unplated show cars, guess they got aroound the ex
post facto.

I know this because I turned 16 in July 1986 and was running into problems
tinting my car's windows. Eventually just learned to lie and say, I bough
it like that, which worked until about 1996.

So your tint in NC has to transmit at least 33% light, whatever year it is.

George Selby
78 F-150 400M, 4 on floor, 4x4
86 Audi 4000CS Quattro
IsuzuG

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 14:35:34 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Tricks and Tips (was NP203 and NP205)

> I might go along with the gum, and I always have bailing (aka mechanics)
>wire around, but eggs for the radiator?... What's up with that?
>
Well if you're leakin lots of anti-freeze you've gotta do something to stop
up that hole ...the egg should get forced to the hole pretty quickly and
start to cook on the hot radiator... I'll have to ask for sure about how it
works.

Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 12:40:08 PDT
From: b hp
Subject: FTE 61-79 - blinking headlights

Is there a source to get new switches (wiper and headlights) for mid 60's
Fords?

Or should I adapt a late model switch? I did this for the cig lighter and it
looks original and works perfectly. Kept the chrome handle and just rebuilt
the guts. I only get a fluttering in the headlights a low rpm..but I thought
this was common among old Fords. And no, I have not replaced the voltage
regulator..yet..

Bruce
65 Mercury M-100 2WD P/U 240 |6

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 12:48:15 PDT
From: b hp
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: ignorant or stupid (little bit of both?)

don't feel too bad..I just did my start of the week commute today [120
miles] ...with the choke half out....240's are not the most powerful engines
around but..wow ..today i thought I was driving into a gale force
wind..haha..

>>>>
>>>>just like the other night, my
instrument light wasn't working, drove all the way home with no light before
i remembered to check the dimmer!!! please feel free to throw whatever
rotten fruit you may have at me

Bruce (I thought it went faster than this?)
65 Mercury M-100 2WD P/U 240 |6

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 14:51:54 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - somebody must know?

>>Thanks, no I see your response. Anyone know if 10,000 lb GVWR is a
cutoff number for passenger type vehicles. Do different laws usually
apply to 10,000 GVWR and up vehicles?

Well Ox, you will love this. In our fair city, you cannot park a vehicle of
such weight or greater at curbside, it must be off street. The idea is to
keep 18 wheelers and gigantic motor homes from clogging our residential
streets. Plus this weight class causes more wear on the street itself. Some
cities will not let this large of a truck off of the truck routes unless it
is making a delivery or running a route. It may also require additional
registration fees if you take it into another state. Knowing NJ, you may
even have to pay extra to keep it in NJ. Check your local DMV office before
you buy. Either that or put it in Azie's name and call it a farm truck. :-)

- -- John
jlagrone

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Dearborn iron rules!!!!

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:07:06 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - C6 Transmission

> Correct me if I'm wrong... but an quick, easy way to ID a C6 Tranny is
> by the shape of the pan? C6 will have a notch in one corner:
> And the C4 tranny is square? ? ?
Yes .. note that the bottom side of the (my) C6 is square also. This made
me think I had a C6 but then I read some posts that the 351M only came
with a C6 so I looked again and saw my mistake.. C6 is an awesome
transmission.

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:14:23 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - somebody must know?

> >>Thanks, no I see your response. Anyone know if 10,000 lb GVWR is a
> cutoff number for passenger type vehicles. Do different laws usually
> apply to 10,000 GVWR and up vehicles?
> Well Ox, you will love this. In our fair city, you cannot park a vehicle of
> such weight or greater at curbside, it must be off street. The idea is to

I wonder how CA does this. I think it does not make sense not to allow
(short term) parking of vehicles.. I take the train to work and every day
there is this guy who drives his gigantic *motorhome* to the train
station. I love the US :) .. then again, I got a ticket for parking
backwards (also at the train parking lot) which kinda s#cks. Do more places
have these weird rules?

Bas.
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:15:48 -0400
From: Rob Long
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - C6 Transmission

Yeah... I've heard many good things about the C6

- --
Rob
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:24:07 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - timing

> >The dafodile had some sort of belt on a pulley that changed size. I have
> A CVT or Constantly Variable Transmission (as it was described to me), they
> are used on snow mobiles quite often... (and Formula 440 in SCCA racing :)

Ah yeah they use them on mopeds in neth. too; they can only be 50cc (about
3.3 cid) so every bit of power is welcome. The rpm on those only varies
with the throttle position, if you open them up they just run a constant
rpm - until of course the transmission reaches its lowest "gear ratio". My
guess is that these transmissions can't really stand hundreds of HP's,
otherwise they would probably do great in trucks.

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 15:14:16 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - timing?

>>The dafodile had some sort of belt on a pulley that changed size. I have
only seen a very short video of it, I'd be very interested to know how
exactly it works.

Bas,
I don't know what a dafodile is, but you are describing the "transmission"
in many gasoline powered golf carts. I had an early to mid 70s Eazy Go that
had this set up. It seems to me that someone, I want to say Plymouth , had a
small car with this set up. It had a centrifugal unit as the outside half of
the pulley. As the RPM increased, the pulley got wider letting the belt slip
down until it ran directly on the shaft at 1:1. It was OK for a golf cart,
but I wouldn't want it in a car I was depending on.

- -- John
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ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of William King
> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 1999 6:09 AM
> To: 61-79-list

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> Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Electronic Ignition (was tire sizes)
>
>
> >I have a '73 F-250 with 360 and C6. What all-electronic
> >ignition options do
> >I have for my FE engine? I NEED to get rid of those points/condenser!
> >Thanks,
> >Steve

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:33:01 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - window tint

> police all have little lights that they shine through the glass to measure
> the % passage. They run on flashlight batteries. If you have tint and get
> stopped, they check it. If you don't pass, your truck gets impounded and you
> get fined. :-(

Is this for front or rear windows? In the neth. you can tint whatever you
want on the rear but tinted front is an issue. I wonder what the deal is
with them, did accidents ever happen because of tinted windows or do they
just want to be able to look inside?

My bronco has tinted windows on the hardtop and I've been stopped twice
but they never said or tested anything (here in California).

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 15:50:01 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - window tint

>Is this for front or rear windows? In the neth. you can tint whatever you
>want on the rear but tinted front is an issue. I wonder what the deal is
>with them, did accidents ever happen because of tinted windows or do they
>just want to be able to look inside?
>
Usually its just the windshield and the windows in the front doors.... the
rear quarter windows on my GT are fairly dark and I've never been stopped,
but then our 70 Ranchero has really dark rear and side windows and I've
never been stopped in it either ...it is very hard to see out of, but also
hard to see in (the whole idea), which means that the people could be
hiding a gun or any number of nasty things that a police officer doesn't
really want to deal with, especially if he can't see it til its too late...

>My bronco has tinted windows on the hardtop and I've been stopped twice
>but they never said or tested anything (here in California).
>
probably legal to have those tinted ... I wouldn't worry about it too much.
I notice a lot of the sunny states have fewer tint laws than we do here in
the midwest ...

Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 13:52:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: Pat Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - window tint

Bas observes:
>
> My bronco has tinted windows on the hardtop and I've been stopped twice
> but they never said or tested anything (here in California).
>
California law in a nutshell:

Nothing on windshield, exceptions for parking stickers, and
a strip across the top.

Nothing on side windows in front seat.

Nothing in the above cases includes snow or ice!

Anything goes on side windows behind driver.

Anything goes on rear window, provided rear view mirrors are
used on BOTH sides of vehicle.

Or, read the whole thing at:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.hpi.net/~bpc/auto_law/tint/tint_ca.html

A search on "tint law" and your particular state will get
many hits.
- --
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From sunny & hot Sebastopol, California
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:49:45 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: Re: FTE 61-79 - Thanx for the trim !

Before a flame war erupts ---- trimming posts is common net
courtesy (which is uncommon these days) and has been an
unofficial policy of FTE for a long time. On several
occasions I've stepped in a asked people to trim the posts.

Postings ***have*** been unacceptable large -- no doubt
about it. I would like to suggest that members find some
Netiquette FAQs and read about Usenet and mailing list
usage.

Once again, an official "please trim your posts!"

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:30:41 -0400
From: "Don Haring, Jr."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Steering Wheel restoration

>>There was an article about 2 years ago in Custom Classic Trucks on how to
>>restore a Ford steering wheel. It gave blow by blow instructions...

Bas said:
>You mean steering wheel or steering column? I don't really see what would
>need restoring on the wheel itself. I had my mechanic rebuild the column
>last week though, he got a kit from the ford dealer for $90.

The old steering wheels crack and discolor with age. The restoration is not
structural -- it's cosmetic, but it really does improve the look of the
interior since the steering wheel is a focal point.

At the risk of repeating myself, since many people have been talking about
this subject, I will ... I have restored the white "deluxe" wheel on my '66
Falcon Club Wagon. Instructions can be found at:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.fedora.net/falconaut/tech/steering_wheel.html

Enjoy,
don

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66 Falcon Deluxe Club Wagon, 61 Falcon Futura, and classic scooters
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:58:41 -0400
From: "Don Haring, Jr."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - constant variable tranny

>>The dafodile had some sort of belt on a pulley that changed size. I have
>>only seen a very short video of it, I'd be very interested to know how
>>exactly it works. They didn't shift, instead the gear ratio changed
>>linearly keeping the engine at peak rpm. They only shifted to get forward
>>and reverse - meaning they could go as fast backwards as forward. They
>>used them for backing up races at the beach in zandvoort :)

William S Hart said:
>A CVT or Constantly Variable Transmission (as it was described to me),
>they are used on snow mobiles quite often... (and Formula 440 in
>SCCA racing :)

Yup, CVT is a good way to describe it. This technology has been around for
a long time. Believe it or not, Harley Davidson used it on one of their
bikes -- the only one that ISN'T found in the HD museum in York, PA ... The
Topper, an HD motorscooter. I guess HD doesn't like to admit they ever made
a scooter. :)

BTW, if anyone has old scooters laying around, send them my direction.

- -don

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:09:31 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - timing

> My
>guess is that these transmissions can't really stand hundreds of HP's,
>otherwise they would probably do great in trucks.
>

They have been getting some use in the SAE MiniFormula competition. As you
would guess they are mini versions of formula 1 cars, or ideally they are.
There was a team there one year (Texas I think, one with lots of money
anyway), they had computer controlled EFI and a turbo charger, they claimed
215 hp from
from a dead stop using a CVT we decided they had probably done a pretty
good job ...

FTE content: We always used an E250 to pull 10 guys and a trailer from
central IA to Pontiac MI for the competition ... :)

Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 17:17:54 EDT
From: IanBoss69

aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - OHIO tint laws

rob, im from canal winchester little town near columbus, some kidds running
around here have 5% tint and ive never seen them get pulled over nor have
heard anything about it, you still should check about the laws to make sure,
but i've never really seen them enforced if there are any,

Ian
79 F250 4x4 4spd 351M

True Blue Ford Blue
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 14:20:16 -0700
From: Brett Withers
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ARB Air locker

Just a quick thought. The more moving and working parts that a system has
the opportunity for something to break. The air lockers might be fine but
that air line hanging down to the diff is just trouble in my book. If you
want guaranteed traction for about the same or less $$$ have a Detroit
Locker set up. My brothers got them front and rear in his Boss 302 powered
'70 bronco. The detroit locker is a ratchet type unit that keeps both
wheels locked all the time, but unlike a spool it ratchets in the corners.
The unit is noisy, but if your crawling over rocks or full throttle through
the mud you'll be glad that noise is there.

for what it's worth

RBW
65 F100 352 police interceptor
74 bronco
78 bronco

Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 17:24:44 -0700
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ARB air locker

Air lockers work good when rock crawling and in occasions where there is a
lot of traction on one wheel. When you are on the paved road or in snow you
turn them off. They work really well. I guess the main disadvantage is that
if anything in your air system quits working, you'll be totally open.

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 14:32:12 -0700
From: Brett Withers
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Growling while in 4WD

While driving my 74 bronco last winter in 4wd I kept hearing a
grinding/growling sound on deceleration. After the snow left I replace all
6 u-joints with spicer heavy duty ones, cleaned and greased all the points
on each drive shaft. Pulled the inspection cover on the transfer case and
checked all the gears and refilled it with 50 wt racing oil and power punch.
A also rebuilt both hubs and pulled the inspection cover from the front axle
and checked this out also. Took the truck out for a road test and still get
the grinding/growling sound. It will not make the noise on a lift (wheel
of the ground) tried it. Tried running with just hubs locked and just the
transfer case in low and 4 high. It only makes the noise when in 4wd on
decelerating. Anybody ever had this problem. I don't want to pull the
front axles and replace the front axle u-joints just for fun if you know
what I mean.

RBW
65 F100 352 police interceptor
74 bronco
78 bronco
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:40:00 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Growling while in 4WD

>transfer case in low and 4 high. It only makes the noise when in 4wd on
>decelerating. Anybody ever had this problem. I don't want to pull the
>front axles and replace the front axle u-joints just for fun if you know
>what I mean.
>
Yup, right around the time a spider gear welded itself to the carrier and
the ring and pinion went out ... pull the cover on the front end and
inspect that diff for wear and damage ... eventually it got so bad it was
only quiet while accelerating ...

Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 17:52:00 EDT
From: IanBoss69

aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - window tint

any window that doesnt correspond to the drivers seat (everything but the
front door windows and the windsheild can be tinted to any darkness i think,
just the windows that the driver looks out of, but thats just what i think,
also ive noticed that almost every late model bronco has almost black windows
on the hardtop, alot of conversion vans are like this too,

Ian
79 f250 4x4 4spd 351M
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 17:21:27 CDT
From: Robert Brown
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Re: FTE 61-79 - Thanx for the trim !

No wonder Mom was so disappointed in me. Oh yeah, William S. Hart, I deleted
that crap without taking the time to download it, I'm sure it was some sort
of mental masturbation. Nice try.

>From: Ken Payne
>Reply-To: 61-79-list

ford-trucks.com
>To: 61-79-list

ford-trucks.com
>Subject: ADMIN: Re: FTE 61-79 - Thanx for the trim !
>Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:49:45 -0400
>
>Before a flame war erupts ---- trimming posts is common net
>courtesy (which is uncommon these days) and has been an
>unofficial policy of FTE for a long time. On several
>occasions I've stepped in a asked people to trim the posts.
>
>Postings ***have*** been unacceptable large -- no doubt
>about it. I would like to suggest that members find some
>Netiquette FAQs and read about Usenet and mailing list
>usage.
>
>Once again, an official "please trim your posts!"
>
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:02:16 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Re: FTE 61-79 - Thanx for the trim !

It's always interesting to watch someone crashing and burning out of
cyberspace...see ya Bobby!

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

- -----Original Message-----
From: Robert Brown
To: 61-79-list

ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, June 22, 1999 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Re: FTE 61-79 - Thanx for the trim !

>No wonder Mom was so disappointed in me. Oh yeah, William S. Hart, I
deleted
>that crap without taking the time to download it, I'm sure it was some sort
>of mental masturbation. Nice try.

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:04:46 -0400
From: Tony Marino
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Re: FTE 61-79 - Thanx for the trim !

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I couldn't hold it any longer....Sorry guys.....
from face>

Tony
tony

pscico.com
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At 04:02 PM 6/22/99 -0700, you wrote:
>It's always interesting to watch someone crashing and burning out of
>cyberspace...see ya Bobby!
>
>"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Robert Brown
>To: 61-79-list

ford-trucks.com
>Date: Tuesday, June 22, 1999 3:22 PM
>Subject: Re: ADMIN: Re: FTE 61-79 - Thanx for the trim !
>
>
>>No wonder Mom was so disappointed in me. Oh yeah, William S. Hart, I
>deleted
>>that crap without taking the time to download it, I'm sure it was some sort
>>of mental masturbation. Nice try.
>
>
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:56:25 -0700
From: Jacob Heilman
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Points and condenser in 73

I used a rebuilt duraspark distributor and an MSD 6 ignition box in my
73. It starts and runs much smoother and I won't ever have to change
points again. YEAH!!! It cost about $60 for the rebuilt dist. and
another $120 or so for the MSD box on sale at my local speed shop.
I used a Pertronix Ignitor for a while with the old original coil and it
worked like a charm until my truck got stolen and they burned up the
ignitor by hotwiring from the battery straight to the coil.
It's a lot cheaper to use the ignitor and it works just fine. It drops
in in place of the points in your old dist. and once set there is no
need to replace or adjust ever, theoretically. I think you can get the
ignitor from some mail order places or check out their web site.
www.pertronix.com
good luck, Jake

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:52:36 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD

aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dura-Spark-Mallory

In a message dated 6/22/99 12:16:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
wish

iastate.edu writes:

>
I may be restating something, but this fact doesn't apply to 460s. My truck
has it, as do all 74 trucks with the 460s (all though there arent many).

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 18:50:35 -0500
From: "MICHAEL HOLMES"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 79 F100 with 460 cid

I bought a 79 F100 that originally had a 302 cid but was replaced with a
460 cid that came out of a 77 or 78 Mercury Marquis. Is there a way to mount
this thing properly? Currently it has a bracket welded to the frame through
the mounts. Needless to say this doesn't work. The oil pan rest on the frame
and has worn a hole through the pan. Is this engine to big for this
application and what is the largest replacement engine I can put in with
standard engine mounts or a mount conversion kit.

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:55:34 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD

aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - somebody must know?

In a message dated 6/22/99 1:18:26 PM Pacific Daylight Time, yl

dds.nl writes:

have these weird rules? >>

Here in NV, I have to pay slightly extra fees to register because of my heavy
GVW.

Darrell Duggan

74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 17:13:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: Pat Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Points and condenser in 73

Jake writes:
> I used a Pertronix Ignitor for a while with the old original coil and it
> worked like a charm until my truck got stolen and they burned up the
> ignitor by hotwiring from the battery straight to the coil.

Cool! A passive anti-theft device! You don't even have to hide
the ballast resistor, Ford already did (It's a resistor wire,
for those of you that just said 'Huh?'). So, how long does it
take to burn out the ignitor? A block? a mile? fifty miles?
- --
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Sebastopol, California
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:11:34 EDT
From: TBeeee

aol.com
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Re: FTE 61-79 - Thanx for the trim !

It's amazing how fat, happy and stupid a guy like me can be regarding
all the posts on this subject. (FTE CONTENT: Kinda reminds me of when my
truck is running *better* then it ever did (even counting the time when it
was new). When ever I suspect I am at this point I simply shut it down
because it can only be a down-hill spiral from there).

Stock Man
1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible (in need of factory rims)
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:46:07 EDT
From: TBeeee

aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - C6 Transmission

Auto transmission id questions seem to pop up a lot so I added a scan of some
some auto tranny pans to my page for anyone that wants a hand reference. Go
to Transmission Identification off my main page. I will send the scan to
anyone that doesn't have www access. (e-mail me off list please).

Stock Man
1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible (in need of factory rims)
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:02:44 -0500
From: "Darryl Wright"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Tire Sizes

Another country heard from;

Depends on the GVW rating of the axles. Mine is 9.50x16.5 (8200 GVW). A
great changeout is the 9.50R16.5 (from folks like Pep Boys for $80 per,
including balancing, mounting, stems and a bit of a warranty. Just bought
five!
The measured overall height is 1.1" higher, including the new tread,
compared to the old (gone) tread. I figure about 2% error in the odometer
(it will read low), and about 10% improvement in fuel mileage (460 w/3.36
Dana 60).

Tillie lives!
Darryl and Nancy Wright
Shady Shores, TX
deddo

centuryinter.net

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:05:58 -0600
From: richlars

ibm.net
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 390 front cover/motor mount

A good many years ago I bought a 390 with the intent of
slipping it into my '62 F-250 in place of the old 292. Well
the old 292 is still running but needs a new clutch and is
getting a bit tired anyway so I figured it would be a good
time to do the conversion. At the time I found the engine,
I also picked up a bell housing that would fit a 390 and my
62 tranny. This housing also has the ears that are the rear
motor mounts. Back then I was told that there was a front
cover/front motor mount that would fit the 390 and slip
right onto the front frame mount of the truck. Problem is I
can't remember what it came from. The best my memory serves
me is that it was a cab-over delivery truck but I can't
remember anything else.

Can anyone help me out? I would really appreciate it.

Thanks, Rich

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 23:12:18 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT

aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - blinking headlights

replace the switch.
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 23:16:09 EDT
From: TBeeee

aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 390 front cover/motor mount

In a message dated 6/22/99 11:09:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
richlars

ibm.net writes:

> Back then I was told that there was a front
> cover/front motor mount that would fit the 390 and slip
> right onto the front frame mount of the truck.
I believe you need to look for an FE' which would have been installed in the
1965? trucks. They should have the front mount cover which you need.

Stock Man
1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible (in need of factory rims)
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 23:16:09 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT

aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: NC tint laws

cop cars in my area are all tinted too, pretty dark, darker than 35% i know
for sure.
probably more like 5-10%. it really urks me when cops do the things we aren't
supposed to, such as window tint and cruising at 75 in a 55 for no apparent
reason.

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 23:24:14 -0500
From: cannandale

netpointe.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 van, ack..

hahahaha.. B)

cannandale
'78 F250 4x4, 460

At 11:12 PM 6/21/99 -0500, you wrote:
>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>why not? i did. :-)
>
>Ian
>79 F250 4x4 4spd 351M
>
>True Blue,,,Ford Blue
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:29:55 -0600
From: "Mike Striegl"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE-truck trim

Try your Ford dealer first, if no luck then one of the dealers who sell
Ford reproduction parts look for them in one of the truck magazine adds. I
bought a rear sliding window and new seal from J.C.Whitney they look like
orignals. The back slider lock is all metal on mine which the newer Ford
trucks use cheap plastic on.

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 23:22:29 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT

aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - C6 Transmission

c4,c5,fmx have bolt on bell housings, c6 bellhousing is made to the housing,
but yes the pan is also different. i think the late model overdrive trannies
have bellhousings made to housing.
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 23:31:08 -0500
From: cannandale

netpointe.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - NP203 and NP205

no, as i remember, the Np203 is a chain driven PART-time t-case, it has
2hi, 2lo, 4hi, 4lo. The t-case you are talking about is the Dana 30 or
something to that effect. The 205 has 4hi, 4lo and 2 hi..

cannandale
'78 F250 4x4, 460

At 11:28 AM 6/22/99 -0500, you wrote:
>
>>Does anyone have any idea why my shift lever is loose? It moves side to
>>side.
>>I'm not sure what transfer case I have though. Is there any markings on
>>them to find out ?
>>
> I'm not sayin there aren't others out there, but these are the two you run
>into the most in my experience. The 203 is a full time xfer case and is
>much larger physically. The 205 is a manual case, a bit more compact, and
>weighs a lot as its all gears, no chain. I don't know the exact
>dimensions, but if your xfer case looks pretty long, then its likely the
>203, a shortish one is the 205....if you have factory locking hubs, likely
>the 205, otherwise the 203 ... if you have the original shift knob for the
>case the 203 will not say 2wd anywhere on it, just Hi Lo and Lock ...
>
>As for the shift lever bein loose ... check the linkage for slop. Also be
>sure the bolt that holds it into the xfer case is tight, this might be a
>205 only thing ...
>
>
>Just my 2cents
>
>wish
>
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 23:33:55 -0500
From: cannandale

netpointe.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - NP205 swap for NP203

>Easy IF you get everything you need. Roughest part is the transfer case.
It is
>some kind of heavy. The 203 is heavier than the 205.

Dont underestimate what he said. it is BEYOND heavy. Replaced a 203 on a
chebby, and ended up rigging up a setup for the 3-point hitch on the back
of our '57 ford tractor, and used it to lift it into place.. kinda worked..
hehe :)

cannandale
'78 F250 4x4, 460

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 23:40:56 -0500
From: cannandale

netpointe.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Cab Bushings

my cab is leaning a little bit on the drivers side back, I noticed that
today when i was loading my 4-wheeler in it. So i got under the truck and
took a look, I noticed the bushing on the side was flattened out, and the....

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