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In this issue:

RE: FTE 61-79 - Trim clips
FTE 61-79 - FE stuff/Headlight switch
FTE 61-79 - 390 motor mounts
over 10,000 GVWR was; Re: FTE 61-79 - Somebody must know???
Re: FTE 61-79 - Somebody must know???
Re: FTE 61-79 - manual vs. auto tranny
Re: FTE 61-79 - manual vs. auto tranny
Re: FTE 61-79 - 360 or 390 or???
Re: FTE 61-79 - manual vs. auto tranny
Re: FTE 61-79 - manual vs. auto tranny
FTE 61-79 - RE: Electronic Ignition (was tire sizes)
Re: FTE 61-79 - FE stuff/Headlight switch
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: NC tint laws
Re: FTE 61-79 - tire sizes
Re: FTE 61-79 - NP203 and NP205
Re: FTE 61-79 - NP203 and NP205
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: NC tint laws
Re: FTE 61-79 - NP203 and NP205
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: NC tint laws
FTE 61-79 - blinking headlights
Re: FTE 61-79 - Brake Lining Material
Re: FTE 61-79 - timing
FTE 61-79 - Blinking headlights
Re: FTE 61-79 - More info on hot starts
Re: FTE 61-79 - New member - need advice
Re: FTE 61-79 - OHIO tint laws
Re: FTE 61-79 - timing marks and junk yards
Re: FTE 61-79 - no oil?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Steering Wheel restoration
Re: FTE 61-79 - 360 FE Engine Question
Re: FTE 61-79 - air conditioning
Re: FTE 61-79 - MY FIRST OFFROADING TRIP!
Re: FTE 61-79 - Voltage Regulator
Re: FTE 61-79 - ARB air locker
Re: FTE 61-79 - Overdrive
Re: FTE 61-79 - timing
FTE 61-79 - power steering rebuild
Re: FTE 61-79 - Freewheeling OD
Re: FTE 61-79 - NP203 and NP205
Re: FTE 61-79 - NP203 and NP205
Re: FTE 61-79 - timing
Re: FTE 61-79 - NP203 and NP205
FTE 61-79 - swap NP203 for a NP205
Re: FTE 61-79 - NP203 and NP205
Re: FTE 61-79 - timing marks and junk yards
FTE 61-79 - Thanx for the trim !
Re: FTE 61-79 - manual vs. auto tranny
FTE 61-79 - Tint removal
Re: FTE 61-79 - NP203 and NP205
FTE 61-79 - Headers?
FTE 61-79 - WAS:RE: F-250 tire sizes NOW: FE Electronic ignition
Re: FTE 61-79 - Headers?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Headers?

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 03:27:48 -0500
From: Larry Brown
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Trim clips

Try Mill Supply, Inc.
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.millsupply.com
800-888-5072
They have almost any body and trim part you need.
Larry


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From: Jacob Heilman [SMTP:jnlheilman earthlink.net]
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Subject: FTE 61-79 - Trim clips

Anyone know where to get the plastic clips used to hold on the chrome
side body moldings on an XLT. I need the ones for the center chrome
that has the rubber strip and for the racetrack moldings on the rocker
panels. I also need a new gasket for the rear window. Any little tips
about a repaint would be appreciated also. Is it possible to match the
color of a 73 with today's paints without custom mixing?

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 02:12:20 -0700
From: "J.S.H."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FE stuff/Headlight switch

>I have a '73 F-250 with 360 and C6. What all-electronic ignition >options do
>I have for my FE engine? I NEED to get rid of those points/condenser!

Lots of guys put Dura Spark from later(74?-76)truck FEs on the earlier
ones.I took the Dura Spark off and put a Mallory Uni-Lite($200)on mine.
Another option is putting a Petronix ($70) in the existing dist.

>I was told my 73 F250 4X4
>had a 390 when I bought it but the vin decoder on the web site says it
>came with a 360.

VIN should say 360.390 was not available in 4x4 trucks.Does not mean
it has a 360 in it now tho.

> my headlights startblinking
>after they've been on for about 2 minutes.
>The only thing I can come up with, is that I need
>to replace the headlight switch all together. Any thoughts???

I agree that it is probably the headlight switch and I would also at
least check the dimmer switch.The connections come into the dimmer from
the bottom and moisture gets trapped betwwen the floor and the switch.
Mine was a cooroded mess but still working when I tossed it.
Cheap insurance on a 20+ year old truck.

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 07:29:23 -0400
From: "Upchurch, Jason"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 390 motor mounts

Hey yall! Just wanted to tell you betsy is still going strong. (65 f-100
w/ 300 I 6 and a cruise-o-matic tranny from a 72 LTD)
Just wanted to say thanks one more time for all of the folks that lent a
hand on my charging and overheating problems.
SUBJECT MATTER-- Now that the 300 is running so good I think it is time for
a new project. I got a set of 390 motor mounts installed now that is
holding my 300 in place. What motor/tranny combos can I use and keep my
motor mounts? How about a 77 351M backed to a C-6?
Thanks for your help!
Jason UpChurch
Cameron, North Carolina
Home of the antiques!
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 07:56:56 -0400
From: James Oxley
Subject: over 10,000 GVWR was; Re: FTE 61-79 - Somebody must know???

Norm wrote:
>
> > Asked this last week, didn't see an answer, so I'll try once more. Was
> > there an F-350 over 10,000 lb GVWR in the 70's.
> >
> > OX
>
> OX..... I am looking at my 1978 Ford spec books and they are not showing
> anything over 10,000 GVW!! And thats in a 2x4 cab and chassie! Interestingly
> enogh is that they are not even showing the availability of a F-350 in
> 4x4?..Go figure!!
>

Reason I ask is that our new lift law only covers up to 10,000 lb GVWR
and the new superduties come in over 10,000 lb GVWR, sooooo I assumed
the older trucks with 4WD and camper special (or some combination
thereof) must have had it too. I wonder what the laws are on over 10,000
lb GVWR???

OX
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 08:01:40 -0400
From: James Oxley
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Somebody must know???

JUMPINFORD aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 6/21/99 4:28:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> luxjo thecore.com writes:
>
>
> there an F-350 over 10,000 lb GVWR in the 70's. >>
> Hmm, maybe you didnt get mine. My dad has a 73 F-350 that started life as a
> Super Camper Special and is now a work truck with a 600 gal sludge tank on
> the back. Its GVW is 12k. It was 10k, but it was moved up (legally) by
> adding helpers. Its still a single wheel, but we run a massive tire designed
> for forklift duty.
>

Thanks, no I see your response. Anyone know if 10,000 lb GVWR is a
cutoff number for passenger type vehicles. Do different laws usually
apply to 10,000 GVWR and up vehicles?

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 20:01:43 +0800
From: "David and Cherie"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - manual vs. auto tranny

Although I don't like Auto's, my ute has a C4 that has just clocked 320 000
kms. not bad eh.
Dave , Australia.

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 08:18:17 -0400
From: Rob Long
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - manual vs. auto tranny

Dave,
Can you elaborate on that "320 000 kms" a little? I'm not up on that
metric stuff yet.

- --
Rob in Ohio, USA

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 08:24:56 -0400
From: tfreeman murphyfarms.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 360 or 390 or???

The only way to tell for sure is to measure the stroke. It can be done easily
with a dowel through the spark plug hole.

- -Ted






Does anyone know how to tell the difference between a 360 and a 390
without taking internal engine measurements? I was told my 73 F250 4X4
had a 390 when I bought it but the vin decoder on the web site says it
came with a 360. I like the way the truck runs but I just want to know
exactly what I have.













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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 06:34:59 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - manual vs. auto tranny

Thanks for your message at 08:18 AM 6/22/99 -0400, Rob Long. Your message was:
>Dave,
>Can you elaborate on that "320 000 kms" a little? I'm not up on that
>metric stuff yet.
I believe that is 192,000 miles (.6 x km).

Right?
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 09:50:32 -0400
From: Rob Long
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - manual vs. auto tranny

Gracias senior Dennis ! I should have known how to convert .... but I'm
on summer break from school and I'm trying to save my brain till fall.
heh...

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 09:09:04 -0400
From: William King
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Electronic Ignition (was tire sizes)

>I have a '73 F-250 with 360 and C6. What all-electronic ignition options do
>I have for my FE engine? I NEED to get rid of those points/condenser!
>Thanks,
>teve

Steve,
List members will probably point you towards a Ford Duraspark conversion.
I went with a Mallory Unilite conversion for my FE. Simply conversion
(pull points and condensor from dizzy, stomp on them while laughing,
and toss the smashed parts in trash. Screw Unilite module into dizzy,
connect three wires, and pop-on new rotor. Replace dist. cap. Drive truck).
The entire conversion takes about an hour. I always carry a spare module
in the glovebox (as do some of the Duraspark folks). If the module ever
cooks, you're stuck and the only way home is to replace the module.
I recall that Jacobs and Petronix (sp?) make similar conversions, so you have
plenty of choices for electronic ignitions. Good luck.

Ohio Bill
1968 Torino GT (429 4V 4speed)
1968 F100 (360 4V 4speed)
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 09:03:31 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FE stuff/Headlight switch

>Lots of guys put Dura Spark from later(74?-76)truck FEs on the earlier
>ones.

I think you're limited to 75 or maybe only 76 ... those dizzys can be hard
to find, get to know your parts guys, they may order one in and take your
points dizzy as a core on the Elec. ign. one...

>I took the Dura Spark off and put a Mallory Uni-Lite($200)on mine.

Can I ask why ? Just curious as I'm gathering the ambition to do the
Duraspark on mine and wondering what your reasoning was for going to the
Mallory ?

> VIN should say 360.390 was not available in 4x4 trucks.Does not mean
>it has a 360 in it now tho.
>
Really ? wow, I did not know that.... anyone else seen this before ? Just
curious 'cause I've never heard that ...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 09:04:41 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: NC tint laws

>NC TINT LAW
>If it was on the vehicle before June 1986, it is OK, until two years ago,

Very similar to the IL laws ... may be the same years too ...


>Funny how all the police cars in my area are starting to be equipted with
>Limo Black (5-10% light trans) on the cruisers.
>
Makes em easier to pick out then though, especially from the vantage point
most trucks offer :)


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 09:10:58 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - tire sizes

>What the heck is a 9.5R-16.5J? I thought tire sizes went "###/###/R##" as in
>235/85/R16?
>
Ah, you young guys kill me! There are many "standard" tire measurements
that have come into use over the years. The P-metric that you refer to is
one of the newest (most people don't understand it!) Then there's the
floating style that came with the offroad tires (31x10.5r15) and before
that there was the letter series, no idea what its really called, but the
bias ply tires used it ... I think our 69 stang has E70-14 tires on it,
which are a good sized tire, but not huge by any stretch ... oh yeah, and
before that there was the "hundred sizing" I have no idea what its called
or how it really worked, but seems like the 50's cars had things like 9.00
J -15 ??? hmmm...that doesn't sound quite right, maybe someone with a bit
more experience can help us out here ...

One thing I have noticed, you can't convert directly from one to the other
... you have to measure things out to be sure you've got the right sizing
on your vehicle ...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 09:13:18 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - NP203 and NP205

>Anyone ever swap out a NP203 for a NP205 in a 76 F-150. I would like
>to go to part time 4 wheel drive, but don't care for the conversion kit.
>
>The truck is a 76 F-150 4x4, 390 engine, C6 tranny.
>
>Is it a pain? Can it be done? Do I need a converter?

I looked at doing this in my truck ( ironically very similar to yours! :)
Here's a short list of things that you'll need to get (as far as I could tell)

a) complete transfer case, including shifter and levers
b) new drive shafts (as the 205 is much narrower than the 203)
c) adapter from xfer case to tranny
d) lots of muscle or brains to lift the 205 into place!

Hope this helps out a little bit. It was much more cost effective for me
to rebuild the 203 and have the kit put in at the same time, that and I was
running out of time, thanksgiving break is only so long when you're in
college...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 09:28:31 -0500
From: "Brett Yerks"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - NP203 and NP205

I'm very interested in this swap also, mainly because I've had some problems
with the 203. Mine likes to pop out of 4wd a lot. So often that I have to
have my passenger keep his foot on the shift lever when we are wheeling. I
installed the part time make your own shaft type kit. This is the second
tcase I've had that does this, anyone have any ideas?

Brett
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>>Anyone ever swap out a NP203 for a NP205 in a 76 F-150. I would like
>>to go to part time 4 wheel drive, but don't care for the conversion kit.
>>
>>The truck is a 76 F-150 4x4, 390 engine, C6 tranny.
>>
>>Is it a pain? Can it be done? Do I need a converter?
>
>I looked at doing this in my truck ( ironically very similar to yours! :)
>Here's a short list of things that you'll need to get (as far as I could
tell)
>
>a) complete transfer case, including shifter and levers
>b) new drive shafts (as the 205 is much narrower than the 203)
>c) adapter from xfer case to tranny
>d) lots of muscle or brains to lift the 205 into place!
>
>Hope this helps out a little bit. It was much more cost effective for me
>to rebuild the 203 and have the kit put in at the same time, that and I was
>running out of time, thanksgiving break is only so long when you're in
>college...
>
>
>Just my 2cents
>
>wish


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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:36:08 -0400
From: tfreeman murphyfarms.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: NC tint laws

Thanks for the info! I know they are pretty strict in NC about it. A few
years ago, some of my friends had put tint on their windows. Most were
aggravated when they got tickets and I know a lot of places have harsher laws
than others and wanted to bring that to the attention of the person considering
it.

I wonder why it only affects vehicles after June 1986? Seems like it would
apply to all year models.

- -Ted








NC TINT LAW

If it was on the vehicle before June 1986, it is OK, until two years ago,
now it has to be no less light transmittance than 35%. It is tested in
order to get your vehicle inspection. A figure as low as 33% will pass, to
allow some change in original 35% film over time.

The highway patrol has been doing checkpoints in my area (eastern NC) to
verify NC vehicle inspections are being done correctly. They will check
all inspections items at the side of the road on all cars that pass thru.
They write you a ticket (used to be $50 and if you got a sticker before
the court date, you would be dropped, now its $200 and they won't drop it),
and if your inspection sticker is fairly new, they also go after the shp
that gave it to you ($50,000 fine for the shop) Big business for the state
all the way around.

Funny how all the police cars in my area are starting to be equipted with
Limo Black (5-10% light trans) on the cruisers.

George Selby
78 F-150 400M, 4 on floor, 4x4
86 Audi 4000CS Quattro
IsuzuG prodigy.net












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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 09:40:35 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - NP203 and NP205

> Mine likes to pop out of 4wd a lot. So often that I have to
>have my passenger keep his foot on the shift lever when we are wheeling. I
>installed the part time make your own shaft type kit. This is the second
>tcase I've had that does this, anyone have any ideas?
>
I have a couple ideas here. 1) to make 4 wheeling a bit more fun, get
about a foot long bungee cord and hook it to the bottom of the dash, it'll
hold things in just fine :) (trust me, its how I do it in the winter)

2) someone suggested that the bushings in the shift lefer weren't stiff
enough and the linkage just wasn't forcing things far enough in. I haven't
tried this yet, but I think I am going to pull the linkage apart and check
everything to be sure its all in good shape, and bush those pieces that
need it ... also going to double check the adjustments.

As a side note, I just put a rebuilt motor in mine, the engine was balanced
while I was doing the rebuild, and I bolted down the motor mounts this
time, now the shake that was in the transfer case is gone .. it was
apparently the fact that the rear motor mount was doing all the work that
caused things to shake so bad...I drove around about 5 or 10 miles of bad
gravel in 4 and didn't have any problems with it popping out like it used to.


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 09:41:45 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: NC tint laws

>I wonder why it only affects vehicles after June 1986? Seems like it would
>apply to all year models.

If you read a little closer, it does affect all vehicles, just that if it
was done before June 1986 then you are home free.



>NC TINT LAW
>
>If it was on the vehicle before June 1986, it is OK, until two years ago,
>now it has to be no less light transmittance than 35%. It is tested in
>order to get your vehicle inspection. A figure as low as 33% will pass, to
>allow some change in original 35% film over time.

Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:41:50 EDT
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - blinking headlights

Hey Deputy,

Low and behold, I drove half the length of Georgia with blinking headlights
in my 67 F-100. I finally got to Jeff Grant's house, and fixed the problem by
putting a couple of plastic zip ties around the headlight switch. This
particular switch has the wire plug that pulls from the bottom. I pulled it
apart, bent all of the tabs just a little, and put the zip ties on.....cured
the problem!

See if your switch is the kind described above. I'm sure there are other
possibilities, but this was the easiest to check and fix...

Good Luck,

CJ




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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 18:02:40 -0700
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Brake Lining Material

>don't remember asbestos shoes doing that. Note: It's not a good idea to
>breath in particles that contain asbestos!

I always thought they still used asbestos, and that it was okay because you
are supposed to rinse down the dirt with brake cleaner rather than blow it
off. Of course we all know how that usually goes in the back yard....


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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 18:33:54 -0700
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - timing

>"The line was originally routed through some sort of temperature
>switch on the "thing" the upper radiator hose connects to. Intake manifold

>I assume the "thing" is the thermostat housing. The switch you referr to is
yes.

>indeed a temperature switch. The way it operates is to connect the center

So it must be broken if it does not allow either of the vacuums to go
through. Unless it is hooked up wrong, hmm..

>port) and as stated there will be no advance at idle. If the advance has
>been set to factory specs then the idle speed will be low. If the coolant

There is still the high idle cam that makes the engine run 1200 rpm or
such. You will want to have the engine idle a little faster when it is cold
so you have almost instant oil pressure and the engine warms up a little
quicker. In winter I sometimes think it stays on high idle too long (up to
5 minutes or so even if you drive away immediately). Then in summer it is
only a minute which is good..

>Unfortunately I do not have the vacuum diagram for this engine. But frankly
>the vacuum advance does not seem to be doing a whole lot. If I look at my
>timing while cracking open the gas, it only advances after a second or so.
>Does anybody know some backyard mechanic type of tests I can do to find out
>more about this?"
>
>What year/engine combination is this? It sounds like the 390 in my 76 and
>if so the above discussion covers the entire vacuum circuit. It sounds to

The vacuum stuff seems to change more by year/application than by engine..
this is a 351M in a '78 bronco. The previous owner was nice enough to put a
new engine in it shortly before selling it. But I don't know if it differs
from the original. According to the emissions table that was posted here
awhile ago I should have cats where trucks don't. I don't have cats so my
engine may be from a truck, who knows..


>Sorry for the long post but hope it helps.

No thanks a lot, some of what you said I knew already but some things I
didn't, like how that #$#^& switch works.

Thanks,
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 09:37:46 -0500
From: "Oscar Johnson"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Blinking headlights

Deputy,

I had exactly the same problem on my 71 F250 Camper Special a few months
back. Putting in a new headlight switch did not fix it! I tried everything,
had the entire electrical system checked (alternator, battery, voltage
regulator), but nothing surfaced. Even thought it might be the amplifier
mounted on the inside wall of the cab just to the right of the glove box,
something Camper Specials have, but not that either. Then the problem went
away. I later saw a thread on this list that a bad dimmer switch will cause
the lights to blink, so if it comes up again, that's where I will look next.
It most probably was a grounding problem that somehow took care of itself.
Good luck in finding it; hope it's your headlight switch!

O.T. Johnson
Prattville, AL
71 F250 CS 360 2V C6


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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 07:38:28 -0700
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - More info on hot starts

>You also wanted to know if anything else can go bad do
>to a bad ground. The answer is yes. That bad ground killed

I blew three voltage regulators because of ground problems. Also I had some
weird stuff like my front signal lights coming on when I pressed the brake
pedal. This was because of a bad ground on my tail light; the current
simply went somewhere else. Lights are very forgiving with these things but
regulators and many other electric components/circuits are not.

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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 12:18:31 -0700
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - New member - need advice

>> I just joined the list and I need some advice. I'm looking at a '79
>>Bronco XLT Ranger. It has all the original running gear, so I'm told and
>>original engine. It has a 400ci, Dana 442 front axle, Ford 9" rear and so

If the price is reasonable, by all means buy it! They are great vehicles.

>>on... I'm unfamiliar with the fullsize Bronco's and I would like to know
>>what it might have for a transmission and a transfer case...I'm guessing a
>>C4 or C6 and possibly a NP205?
>If it's an auto, then it's a C-6 that is the only auto ever offered in a
>78-79 BB. And the autos came with a NP208 transfer case. Take a look at

Are you sure? I was pretty sure mine has a C4. How can I make sure? I
looked at the oil pan and the very bottom side is rectangular. The part
that mounts to the transmission itself is kind of like this:

- ------
| _|
| |
|---

>> It does have an auto tranny.
>> Also, what are some trouble spots I should look for? I know the
>>steering boxes on these, and the older ones gave some hassle on lifted
>>vehicles. This has about 9 inches of lift that will be dropped to about
>>4...

I have a '78 bronco and it is a great vehicle.. I will be moving out of the
country next august. I hate to give it up but I will have to sell it. So if
anybody around the SF bay area wants a bronco let me know..

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:46:14 -0400
From: Rob Long
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - OHIO tint laws

Does anyone know what the tint laws in Ohio are ?

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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:16:20 -0700
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - timing marks and junk yards

>Sorry Wish for the mis-direction. George, I've been thinking about my
>earlier post. I have seen engines that have a pin sticking out of the block
>and all of the timing marks are embossed on the harmonic balancer and not
>very deep as I recall. I'll bet this is the way yours was. Probably the only
>way you will get them back is to find a hb in the junk yard that has the

Hell, I'd just find a similar balancer and look at the markings. You can
then mark your own.


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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:01:53 -0700
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - no oil?

>>>I wish I was born 20 years earlier..... ohwell,
>another 20 years from now we'll run out of oil.
>I just read an article several days ago that says there is still three times
>more oil under the ocean than we have used already. Add this to what is
>still undiscovered and there is supposed to be enough oil for another 300
>years or so. I am sure also that we will have found another energy source by
>then.

Cool, if that's the case... hell, why have emission controls? The air
quality is fine even here in silicon valley.

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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:08:16 -0700
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Steering Wheel restoration

At 07:09 PM 6/15/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi,
>There was an article about 2 years ago in Custom Classic Trucks on how to
>restore a Ford steering wheel. It gave blow by blow instructions and

You mean steering wheel or steering column? I don't really see what would
need restoring on the wheel itself. I had my mechanic rebuild the column
last week though, he got a kit from the ford dealer for $90.

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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:12:08 -0700
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 360 FE Engine Question

>engine and adding a few performance parts. Would I be better off swapping
>the engine for a 390 or does the 360 provide a solid enough base.

If this engine is good I would hold on to it. You never know what happened
to that other block you're going to buy, and rebuilding an engine yourself
can be fun! I know the 360 and 390 have the same block but I cannot tell
you exactly what you need to convert one into another. It will be
expensive. Unless you really want more power I'd stick with the 360.

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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:16:40 -0700
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - air conditioning

>not to complicate things but how easy( or hard you tell me) would it be to
>add air to a truck that came from the factory without it, specifically a 79
>f250 4by?

The hardest part will be the screwing around under the dash, trying to add
all the air valves and all that. That's what I think anyway, I just
installed a york air compressor as a normal air compressor (for tires/tools
etc). I needed the right pump, two brackets, a 3-belt crankshaft pulley and
an extra belt.

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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:40:03 -0700
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - MY FIRST OFFROADING TRIP!

>I know I am a few days behind on the topic but I would like some input. I
>wear my leather gloves most of the time when working on my trucks. This
>encludes body work and repairs on the tranny and engine. The gloves are a
>knuckle saver and kept your hands clean.

My input is that I tried gloves and I'm pretty clumsy with 'em (I don't
consider myself clumsy without them). Especially if you have to reach where
you cannot see you have no clue what's going on. Only when handling heavy
or sharp pieces of metal I rarely use them to protect my hands. Personal
preference I guess... but I've been pretty successful at keeping my hands
from being damaged. But I must admit I don't seldomely get to work with
black finger nails :)

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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:46:34 -0700
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Voltage Regulator

>working. If it stays below 13, then, well, it isn't. Don't
>run for long in this mode, if the alternator is putting 60
>to 100 amps through your battery it won't last long . .

BTDT! My regulator went into this "mode" after breaking and the battery
sprayed half my engine compartment. Also my radio quit working, my signal
went like crazy, the heater turned into a jet engine and my lights were
brighter than I've ever seen stock on a truck :)



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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 17:24:44 -0700
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ARB air locker

Air lockers work good when rock crawling and in occasions where there is a
lot of traction on one wheel. When you are on the paved road or in snow you
turn them off. They work really well. I guess the main disadvantage is that
if anything in your air system quits working, you'll be totally open.

If you have the money and you want lockers, go for it. If you aren't going
to do hardcore rock crawling I'd look into a limited slip. These are much
less expensive and already consider a considerable advantage over open
differentials.

>I'm upgrading my truck to 33 inch tires and im doing a gear swap along with
>it to 4.10's. I was also thinking of adding an air locker to the rear axles
>while I'm in there. Just wanted to hear about people's experiances with
them
>first. Any advice before i dive in? Thanks
>
>Ian
>79 F-250 4x4 4spd 351W
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:11:26 -0700
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Overdrive

>>I have a '78 bronco and a C6 transmission .. don't know the transfer case
>>type. Would it be possible to install an overdrive? Would it go after the
>>transfer case?
>Probably not if you ever wanted to use 4wd and OD at the same time ...

Now why would I want to do THAT..

>>I would get a .5 to one if that's available. I am sure my engine can run
>>my truck at 1900 rpm at flat grounds. Then at hills you turn it off.
>There are companies out there that make add on units that will probably put
>whatever ratio you want. .5 is a lot of drop though ... My stang has a .67

Yeah you're probably right. I asked around a little and it looks like it'll
run three-digit $$ - not worth it. My engine rpm isn't ridiculously high
anyway (33" tires)





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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:27:42 -0700
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - timing

>> One of the things I noticed when I moved here (california) from the
>> netherlands is that the octane is much lower. We only have 87, 89 and 92.
>> Some states even have 85. In the netherlands I have only seen 95 and 98. I
>> suppose we have higher compression engines.
>
>It's also possible that there may be difffernt way of rating octane in
>Europe. I don't know, of course. We used to have leaded fuel here that
>run as high as 105 octane. Back in the '70's most of the premium was
>97-100 octane. Is the fuel in the "Low Countries" unleaded? It's hard
>to picture a little DAFodil on 98 octane fuel. Bet that's a mean little
>sucker. I've never seen unleaded myself over 93 octane around here.

95 was unleaded, 98 was leaded. Not sure leaded means real lead or a
substitute. We couldn't afford a car so I don't know that much about it.

The dafodile had some sort of belt on a pulley that changed size. I have
only seen a very short video of it, I'd be very interested to know how
exactly it works. They didn't shift, instead the gear ratio changed
linearly keeping the engine at peak rpm. They only shifted to get forward
and reverse - meaning they could go as fast backwards as forward. They used
them for backing up races at the beach in zandvoort :)

Still I like american vehicles much more. Big, heavy, strong, powerful..


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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 20:56:28 -0700
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: FTE 61-79 - power steering rebuild

Hi guys,

The power steering box on my '78 bronco was totally worn out, and last
weekend I went four wheeling and with the extra heat and stress it finally
gave up. It only powers to the right and not to the left, and I cannot
compensate for the wear anymore. I want to look into either buying a new
one or rebuilding this one. Can anybody tell me what's involved in
rebuilding my box? My haynes manual tells me to leave it to a shop. I know
I need a pitman arm puller to get the box itself out, and I need a inch-lbs
torque wrench.. any other out of the ordinary tools? This is my only
vehicle so I'm trying to gather everything I need prior to opening the
hood. I found out already it's an hour's walk each way to the parts store...

A rebuilt box is $260, a rebuild kit is $28 so if I can do it myself that
would be great... I was referred to a good power steering shop (one guy who
totally specializes in that stuff). Would it be better to have him rebuild
my current box rather than buying a new one? If I hear you guys talking
about those rebuilt engine problems I get serious doubts about buying
rebuilt stuff - or at least if it does not have a known name on it.

Any information/experience is helpful. I still have not figured out the
principles of power steering operation. No manual tells me more than some
vague story about recirculating balls, pistons, hydraulics etc.

Thanks,
Bas.




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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 07:08:12 -0700
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Freewheeling OD

>appreciate the info on not pulling out the handle while moving
(disengaging the
>OD). I had assumed that to be the case, but but was also reticent to push
it >in (engaging OD) while moving. You are saying that that is OK?.

My uncle had an electric overdrive on his car. He could just toggle the
switch at any particular moment. It just had a safety switch so you could
only engage it while in 4th gear. I suppose it wouldn't stand the torque in
the first gears while shifting. In 4th you could flip it with the pedal to
the floor though.

So this is an overdrive that has to be engaged prior to moving?



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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:53:59 -0400
From: Rob Long
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - NP203 and NP205

Does anyone have any idea why my shift lever is loose? It moves side to
side.
I'm not sure what transfer case I have though. Is there any markings on
them to find out ?

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:06:25 -0500
From: "Brett Yerks"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - NP203 and NP205

A bungee cord really works huh? I'll have to try that, I never bothered
with it because I didn't think it would hold because of the stretchiness of
the cord. I'll definitely try it though.

I was kind of wondering about the linkage/shifter myself. I know its going
all the way in cause I adjusted it, but I wonder if its a little sloppy so
when I'm bouncing around it jiggles out. I'll have to look into this, for
now I think I like the bungy cord idea though. :)

Brett
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>> Mine likes to pop out of 4wd a lot. So often that I have to
>>have my passenger keep his foot on the shift lever when we are wheeling.
I
>>installed the part time make your own shaft type kit. This is the second
>>tcase I've had that does this, anyone have any ideas?
>>
>I have a couple ideas here. 1) to make 4 wheeling a bit more fun, get
>about a foot long bungee cord and hook it to the bottom of the dash, it'll
>hold things in just fine :) (trust me, its how I do it in the winter)
>
>2) someone suggested that the bushings in the shift lefer weren't stiff
>enough and the linkage just wasn't forcing things far enough in. I haven't
>tried this yet, but I think I am going to pull the linkage apart and check
>everything to be sure its all in good shape, and bush those pieces that
>need it ... also going to double check the adjustments.
>
>As a side note, I just put a rebuilt motor in mine, the engine was balanced
>while I was doing the rebuild, and I bolted down the motor mounts this
>time, now the shake that was in the transfer case is gone .. it was
>apparently the fact that the rear motor mount was doing all the work that
>caused things to shake so bad...I drove around about 5 or 10 miles of bad
>gravel in 4 and didn't have any problems with it popping out like it used
to.
>
>
>Just my 2cents
>
>wish


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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:08:58 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - timing

>The dafodile had some sort of belt on a pulley that changed size. I have
>only seen a very short video of it, I'd be very interested to know how
>exactly it works. They didn't shift, instead the gear ratio changed
>linearly keeping the engine at peak rpm. They only shifted to get forward
>and reverse - meaning they could go as fast backwards as forward. They used
>them for backing up races at the beach in zandvoort :)
>

A CVT or Constantly Variable Transmission (as it was described to me), they
are used on snow mobiles quite often... (and Formula 440 in SCCA racing :)



Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:12:21 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - NP203 and NP205

>A bungee cord really works huh? I'll have to try that, I never bothered
>with it because I didn't think it would hold because of the stretchiness of
>the cord. I'll definitely try it though.
>
Yup, here's a pic:

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This was right after I put the motor in, so I hadn't taken it out yet :)

Good luck, it made things much nicer driving around town in the snow for
me, no more back cramps from holding the lever in with one hand and trying
to steer with the other ...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 08:12:23 PDT
From: steve potratz
Subject: FTE 61-79 - swap NP203 for a NP205

From: "Matthew Schumacher"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - NP203 and NP205

Hello all,

Anyone ever swap out a NP203 for a NP205 in a 76 F-150. I would like
to go to part time 4 wheel drive, but don't care for the conversion kit. Can
it be done? Do I need a converter?
Schu
1976 4x4 390, C6, NP203>

Matt:

I did this swap on a 78 150. It wasn't too bad but required the following
in my case: new front driveshaft with single ujoint rather
than the double unit on the 203,lengthen the rear driveshaft, relocate the
rear crossmember supporting the transfer case. Different transfer case
mounts. The 205 has a different shifter lever and linkage so make sure you
have that with the new one. Everything else is the same on the C6. It cost
me about $100 plus the transfer case to do the swap. Also don't cheapen out
and try to get by without lenghtening the rear drive shaft(like I did)as you
can ruin the yoke on the spline. It looks like there is enough spline to
hold it but that sucker moves back and forth as the axel travels up and down
on the suspension and yikes, if I had hit the right bump it would have been
drive shaft flapping in the breeze! To lengthen the rear I bought a
longer one and had it cut down. Much cleaner than welding in a piece or
starting with a new tube and having to have it balanced-worked great no
vibrations(and there is no such thing as "good vibrations").

Good Luck!

Steve
78 150 4wd supercab
71 swb 2wd
71 T-bird SC


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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:21:30 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - NP203 and NP205

>Does anyone have any idea why my shift lever is loose? It moves side to
>side.
>I'm not sure what transfer case I have though. Is there any markings on
>them to find out ?
>
I'm not sayin there aren't others out there, but these are the two you run
into the most in my experience. The 203 is a full time xfer case and is
much larger physically. The 205 is a manual case, a bit more compact, and
weighs a lot as its all gears, no chain. I don't know the exact
dimensions, but if your xfer case looks pretty long, then its likely the
203, a shortish one is the 205....if you have factory locking hubs, likely
the 205, otherwise the 203 ... if you have the original shift knob for the
case the 203 will not say 2wd anywhere on it, just Hi Lo and Lock ...

As for the shift lever bein loose ... check the linkage for slop. Also be
sure the bolt that holds it into the xfer case is tight, this might be a
205 only thing ...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:23:20 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - timing marks and junk yards

>>earlier post. I have seen engines that have a pin sticking out of the block
>>and all of the timing marks are embossed on the harmonic balancer and not
>>very deep as I recall. I'll bet this is the way yours was. Probably the only
>>way you will get them back is to find a hb in the junk yard that has the
>
>Hell, I'd just find a similar balancer and look at the markings. You can
>then mark your own.

Except that you won't know exactly the distances or where on the balancer
to put the marks, remember these have 1 or 2 degrees marked, it'd be very
easy to be off that much when making new marks. Of course its all relative
anyway so you don't really need the numbers, but it gives you a warm fuzzy
feeling to be able to set the timing to a known good number when you don't
have a good base point.


Just my 2cents

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 12:02:42 -0400
From: pdesanto Cinergy.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Thanx for the trim !

Thanx a lot guys for the trim job. Todays "re-posted" posts only used up 14
pages. Hey Johannes & Robert.....Learn how to trim your posts ! When you hit
"reply", how about just replying to the line your interested in, and NOT the
whole darn post. Jeeze! I'll haul all this wasted paper to the dump in my
truck. ( Ford truck content)

> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999
> From: "Johannes Fluetter"
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - window tint
> I go to school in Edmond, work inOKC (TAFB).
> John
> - -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Brown
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Date: Monday, June 21, 1999 9:19 PM
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - window tint
> >Edmond (work in Anadarko)
> >From: "Johannes Fluetter"
> >>Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> >>To:
> >>Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - window tint
> >>Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 20:44:45 -0500
> >>Where in OK are you located, Rob?
> >>John F.
>
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 09:07:25 -0700
From: "Sam Weatherby"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - manual vs. auto tranny

My 'Stang is at 210,000 miles. The tranny works perfect.
Whole car works real good.
Fords...

Sam Weatherby http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://insert.com/sammy
SWeatherby UsWest.Net A-SamWe Microsoft.com
'70 Grabber Sportsroof Mustang
'65 F100

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From: Dennis Pearson
To:
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 1999 6:34 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - manual vs. auto tranny


> Thanks for your message at 08:18 AM 6/22/99 -0400, Rob Long. Your message
was:
> >Dave,
> >Can you elaborate on that "320 000 kms" a little? I'm not up on that
> >metric stuff yet.
> I believe that is 192,000 miles (.6 x km).
>
> Right?
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 11:24:57 -0500
From: Larry Schmiedekamp
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Tint removal

I removed the old tint from my van with just a straight edge razor blade.
It scraped right off. Buy a metal holder ($1 at the hardware store) for the
razor blade -- you'll get better control and leverage.

Thanks guys. Guess I'll use the KISS method.



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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:19:28 -0700
From: "Terry Pendergrass"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - NP203 and NP205


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On Tue, 22 Jun 1999 09:40:35 William S Hart wrote:
>> Mine likes to pop out of 4wd a lot. So often that I have to
>>have my passenger keep his foot on the shift lever when we are wheeling. I

My F100 2WD would do this in 3rd when I got it. One day as I was laying under the truck (looking at all the muck) I noticed the xmsn mount bolts were not tight. I tightened them up and hasn't jumped out since. I would check all the mounts first. (cheaper)

>>installed the part time make your own shaft type kit. This is the second
>>tcase I've had that does this, anyone have any ideas?
>>
>I have a couple ideas here. 1) to make 4 wheeling a bit more fun, get
>about a foot long bungee cord and hook it to the bottom of the dash, it'll

I don't know if I want to ride around with you in your truck WISH ;-) Do you have the engine held in with bubble gum? ;-)

>hold things in just fine :) (trust me, its how I do it in the winter)
>
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>Just my 2cents
>
>wish
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:19:41 -0700
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Headers?


Hey y'all! I'm still alive! I have a question about headers and I apologize

cuz I don't know all that much about em but here goes: I'd like to put
headers on my truck but from what I understand I can't do that because of
smog reasons cuz it wouldn't pass, would it Anyone have any other
suggestions or tricks I can try so I can pass smog? I basically wanna make
my
truck sound better Thanks y'all!
Hope I wasn't too vague! =)

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Lisa,
What year/engine truck do you have? If the Headers will not defeat any
existing smog equipment they may be completely legal. The systems that
headers most often interfere with are smog pumps (air injection) or EGR
systems. If your truck does not have these things then no problem. The
smog laws are so varied from region to region (and even inside the same
state) that it is difficult to give an absolute answer. The best advice I
can give is go to your local smog station or referee station if your state
has one and ask them what is legal. Most states are following California in
smog laws so if it is legal there many times it is legal in your area. If
the componet lists a CARB exemption number then it is probably legal. The
number will be listed in the manufacturer's catalog. If the component is
considered to be a stock replacement part then it does not need an exemption
number.

Good luck
Tom H.
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:19:42 -0700
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - WAS:RE: F-250 tire sizes NOW: FE Electronic ignition

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Hi All,

Being new to the list, I may be asking a covered-to-death question, but here
goes:

I have a '73 F-250 with 360 and C6. What all-electronic ignition options do
I have for my FE engine? I NEED to get rid of those points/condenser!

Thanks,
Steve

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Steve,
FE's came with the Duraspark electronic ignition stock in 76 for sure,
possibly in 75 as well. There is a conversion covered on the web page I
think. Using stock components the swap is fairly straight forward.

Good luck
Tom H.
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:22:04 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Headers?

Travis wrote:
>just throw on headers it doesnt matter on a truck thats old they could never
>pass a smopg test

Why not? Any well tuned motor that isn't a severe oil burner
(And passes the visual inspection) should be able to slip thru
the smog test O.K.
My '71 FE390 with headers and mild cam passed the Ca. smog check
with ease. Max allowable unburned HC is 300ppm, I slipped thru at
176ppm. Can't remember the CO numbers, but it was about 1/2 the
max allowable also.
This was when the motor was JUST rebuilt and not broke in yet (less
than 150 miles on rebuild) and with a very poorly running stock 2-bbl
carb. Now that it's well broke in (almost 60K miles) and with the
well tuned edelbrock carb that's on it now, I'm sure the numbers
would be much better...

Why do you say that old trucks could never pass a smog test?
There's plenty of 'em around here that do...

Steve....


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