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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 van, ack..
FTE 61-79 - Sunoco Tranny Fluid
Re: FTE 61-79 - Somebody must know???
RE: FTE 61-79 - New Engine Install
Re: FTE 61-79 - Headers
Re: FTE 61-79 - Somebody must know???
FTE 61-79 - Do it yourself bed liners
Re: FTE 61-79 - window tint
Re: FTE 61-79 - Tire Sizes
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: F-250 tire sizes
Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 van, ack..
RE: FTE 61-79 - RE: F-250 tire sizes
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: F-250 tire sizes
FTE 61-79 - 360 or 390 or???
FTE 61-79 - Trim clips
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: F-250 tire sizes
FTE 61-79 - Headers?
FTE 61-79 - blinking headlights
Re: FTE 61-79 - Headers?
Re: FTE 61-79 - blinking headlights
Re: FTE 61-79 - blinking headlights
FTE 61-79 - RE: NC tint laws
FTE 61-79 - removing old window tint
Re: FTE 61-79 - 360 or 390 or???
Re: FTE 61-79 - blinking headlights

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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 22:07:11 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 van, ack..

In a message dated 6/21/99 7:07:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
cannandale netpointe.com writes:


name for feear of looking stoopid..! >>
Its all good man, just ribbin ya a lil. Hope that pulley gets put to use,
hate to see you waste the cash.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 22:06:37 -0400
From: "Joel Minsky"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Sunoco Tranny Fluid

Hey all-
I went to the local 18-wheeler repair shop looking for the mobiltrans
shc50 that everyone was saying was so great for an NP435. They didn't have
it but I ended up buying a few quarts of what I think is the Sunoco brand
equivalent. It's a 50 weight fully synthetic oil that they were using. They
guy I talked to seemed to regard the two as interchangeable. They pumped it
out of a big barrel that didn't have too much info written on it so
unfortunately I couldn't get any detailed info on what I was buying. Anyone
familiar with this stuff? It wasn't cheap ($6.50 a quart) but I thought I
would give it a try. I'll let you know how it turns out but I think the real
test will be when the weather turns cold.

later

Joel Minsky
'79 F150, 351M, NP435

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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:10:23 -0500
From: "Norm"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Somebody must know???

> Asked this last week, didn't see an answer, so I'll try once more. Was
> there an F-350 over 10,000 lb GVWR in the 70's.
>
> OX

OX..... I am looking at my 1978 Ford spec books and they are not showing
anything over 10,000 GVW!! And thats in a 2x4 cab and chassie! Interestingly
enogh is that they are not even showing the availability of a F-350 in
4x4?..Go figure!!

Norm &Tracie
Pampered & Babied is our motto.

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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 22:11:25 -0400
From: Ted Freeman
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - New Engine Install

Dave,

I'm going to soon be asking some of the very same questions. The only
thing that I've seen in writing came from my cam provider (Comp Cams) and
they said that for the break in of the cam do not use a synthetic oil, use
an SE, SF grade or racing oil instead. Then after the 30 break in, change
the oil and filter and put in whatever oil you'll be running. I can't give
you the whys and why nots. I can only give you what info I have from my
cam folks.

- -Ted


>
>The first is: What is the best oil to use to break in this engine?
>
>Thanks for the help!!
>
>Dave H



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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 22:25:54 -0400
From: "Joel Minsky"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Headers

>I am looking for suggestions on a reliable set of headers for a 360 cid 71
>F-100. I only use this truck for street driving and I just learning about
>the world of performance enhancements. I would like to turn this truck into
>a project truck...so I am just starting to learn. Thanks.
>

And what a wonderful world it is... If you don't already have one get the
Performance Automotive Warehouse catalog (www.pawinc.com). It's like a phone
book! LOTS of bathroom reading material there. Lots of headers to choose
from. Can't recommend a specific brand of headers but what usually dictates
price is what kind of finish they have. The cheap ones are just painted
which immediately burns off and they then begin to rust away. This is what I
have on my truck. Higher price gets you chromed or ceramic coated. Maybe
someone else has experience with these??

- -joel

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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 22:26:54 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Somebody must know???

In a message dated 6/21/99 4:28:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
luxjo thecore.com writes:


there an F-350 over 10,000 lb GVWR in the 70's. >>
Hmm, maybe you didnt get mine. My dad has a 73 F-350 that started life as a
Super Camper Special and is now a work truck with a 600 gal sludge tank on
the back. Its GVW is 12k. It was 10k, but it was moved up (legally) by
adding helpers. Its still a single wheel, but we run a massive tire designed
for forklift duty.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 22:31:55 -0400
From: "Joel Minsky"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Do it yourself bed liners

Question:
Has any one tried one of the roll-on bed liner kits like is sold in JC
Whitless? Do they work? I've seen the proffessional spray on ones,
rhino-liner and such, do the home kits come even close to the results? I
know the price is a lot less. Thanks-
joel

'79 F150, 351M, NP435

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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:38:59 -0500
From: "Johannes Fluetter"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - window tint

I go to school in Edmond, work in
OKC (TAFB).

John


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From: Robert Brown
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, June 21, 1999 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - window tint


>Edmond (work in Anadarko)
>
>
>>From: "Johannes Fluetter"
>>Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>>To:
>>Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - window tint
>>Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 20:44:45 -0500
>>
>>Where in OK are you located, Rob?
>>
>>John F.
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Robert Brown
>>To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>>Date: Monday, June 21, 1999 8:22 PM
>>Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - window tint
>>
>>
>> >Just take it to a shop, it shouldn't cost you over $65 to have it done
>>and
>> >have a guarantee (can probably get it done for as low as $35). If you
>>bring
>> >it to Oklahoma, my brother'll do it for you! Ha-ha!!
>> >
>> >
>> >>From: "John LaGrone"
>> >>Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>> >>To: "-FordTruckDigest"
>> >>Subject: FTE 61-79 - window tint
>> >>Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 18:02:36 -0500
>> >>
>> >> >>I'm thinking of tinting my windows.
>> >>Any advice?
>> >>
>> >>Follow the instructions. Seriously, tinting windows isn't rocket
science
>> >>but
>> >>it is harder than growing mold in the fridge. A brief lesson (my son
did
>>it
>> >>professionally for awhile and this is his general procedure.):
>> >>
>> >>1. The window must be CLEAN. Washing won't do. Scrape it down with a
>>razor
>> >>blade. Single edge works best. They used ammonia based cleaner in the
>>tint
>> >>shop. Don't get it in your eyes.
>> >>
>> >>2. Wet the window down on the outside with distilled water using a
spray
>> >>bottle. Stick your tint to the window with the peel back film out.
Don't
>> >>peel it yet.
>> >>
>> >>3. Locate your tint the way it will fit, then trim it with a good pair
>>of
>> >>scissors.
>> >>
>> >>4. Wet down the inside of the glass with the spray bottle of distilled
>> >>water. Use plenty, you can't over wet it.
>> >>
>> >>5. Peel the backing. Don't try this in the wind. Work in a garage if
>> >>possible or practical.
>> >>
>> >>6. Place the tint against the glass, beginning in the center. Try not
to
>> >>let
>> >>it stick against itself or wrinkle badly.
>> >>
>> >>7. Using the rubber squeegee that came with your tint or in a tint kit,
>> >>start at the middle and pull the bubbles out of the area between the
>>tint
>> >>and the glass. This moves the water out and lets the glue stick. Once
>>you
>> >>get an area started in the middle, you shouldn't have much trouble with
>>the
>> >>tint sliding around. Before you get very much squeegeed, be sure you
put
>>it
>> >>on in the right place. You don't want overlap on your seals on one side
>>and
>> >>clear glass on the other.
>> >>
>> >>8. I squeegee up first, then to the sides, then down because water runs
>> >>down
>> >>and that makes the top tend to dry out first. If you cut the tint to
fit
>> >>correctly, the excess water should roll right out onto the inside of
the
>> >>tint (inside being the interior of the truck).
>> >>
>> >>9. After sqeegeeing the first time, repeat. Then repeat again. Get
every
>> >>last bubble out. It may not look bad at this point, but it will later.
>> >>
>> >>10. The tint must dry 48 hours on a moving window before you roll it
>>down
>> >>or
>> >>it will peel off the window. The same goes for cleaning the inside of
>>the
>> >>tint. When you do clean it, use a mild cleaner on a soft, damp cloth of
>> >>chamois. Do not use paper towel as it can scratch.
>> >>
>> >>11. Go back and check the edges about an hour after sqeegeeing, maybe
>> >>sooner
>> >>if it is very hot.
>> >>
>> >>The nice thing about plastic tint is that you can always scrape it off
>>and
>> >>do it over if you don't like the way it turned out. The smaller a
window
>> >>is,
>> >>the easier it is to do. Flat windows are easier to do than curved.
Hatch
>> >>back windows are a ## %# (fill in your favorite expletive). A pickup
is
>> >>relatively easy.
>> >>
>> >>The next time I do my door glasses, I am going to remove them from the
>> >>door,
>> >>tint them, then reinstall them. The reason is twofold. When I installed
>>my
>> >>new window seals, they peeled my tint because it didn't go below the
>>seal
>> >>when rolled all of the way up. Second, I don't care for the bare glass
>>that
>> >>shows around the edges when you roll down your window.
>> >>
>> >>Lastly, legal advice. Check your local and state laws before installing
>> >>tint.Don't tint your windshield. Federal law prohibits that. Bryan, in
>> >>your
>> >>case, state law allows you to put any kind of tint on any of your side
>>and
>> >>rear glasse that you want on your 66, but I would check to see if
>>Houston
>> >>has special tint laws. I would install whatever your local inspection
>> >>station says would pass for a new car. Texas law limits how dark the
>> >>driver's and passenger's front door glasses can be on vehicles 1989
>>model
>> >>and later. Most reliable tint shops will only follow the latest
>>guidelines
>> >>and won't allow you to put tint that is too dark on. The reason is the
>> >>police want to be able to see in if they stop you. You don't want to
end
>>up
>> >>ventilated because some trigger happy policeperson couldn't see in when
>>you
>> >>got stopped for a burnt out tail light. Tint laws vary from state to to
>> >>state as do many laws applying to motor vehicles.
>> >>
>> >>BTW, regardless of who does it, get it done. It is well worth the money
>> >>IMHO.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Sorry this was so long, but inquiring minds want to know. If this
sounds
>>to
>> >>hard to do, then go to a professional tint shop that offers a lifetime
>> >>warranty on their work. I know they exist, my neighbor owns such a
shop.
>> >>BTW, My son and I tinted the truck while the Towncar was done
>> >>professionally
>> >>befor eI bought it. You can't tell the difference in our jobs. Doing it
>> >>ourself will save you about 50% of the price.
>> >>
>> >>Robert is right about the ammonia based cleaners.
>> >>
>> >>-- John
>> >>jlagrone ford-trucks.com
>> >>1979 F150 Custom LWB Regular Cab 351M C6 (Henry)
>> >>http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
>> >>Dearborn iron rules!!!!
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 20:36:44 -0700
From: "Danger"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Tire Sizes

> > I'd like to get an accurate calculation of my MPG and was wondering
> >about tire sizes. What was the stock tire size for the 1969 F250 4x2, and
> >what effect would using 235/85/R16 tires have on MPG calculations?
> >
..........
> Hmmm... a peek at the driver's door tag, the glove box, or perhaps an
> owners manual might reveal the original tire size ...
>
> wish
.........

Unfortunately the tire size info is not on the drivers side door tag, or
the glovebox, and I've thrown the original split rims away. I think the 69
F250 came with 225/75/R16, but I'm not sure. Does anybody know?


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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 23:00:28 EDT
From: IanBoss69 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: F-250 tire sizes

i checked today, the tires are 9.5R-16.5J (not sure on the letters) so this
proves the point that im am either ignorant or stupid (little bit of both?)
i never even thought to look at the tire size, just like the other night, my
instrument light wasn't working, drove all the way home with no light before
i remembered to check the dimmer!!!
please feel free to throw whatever rotten fruit you may have at me,

ian
79 f250 4x4 4spd 351m

True Blue...Ford Blue
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 23:05:09 EDT
From: IanBoss69 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 van, ack..

>>
>>


why not? i did. :-)

Ian
79 F250 4x4 4spd 351M

True Blue,,,Ford Blue
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 20:35:05 -0700
From: "Steve Schwartz"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - RE: F-250 tire sizes

Hi All,

Being new to the list, I may be asking a covered-to-death question, but here
goes:

I have a '73 F-250 with 360 and C6. What all-electronic ignition options do
I have for my FE engine? I NEED to get rid of those points/condenser!

Thanks,
Steve


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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:29:01 -0700
From: "Danger"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: F-250 tire sizes

> i checked today, the tires are 9.5R-16.5J (not sure on the letters) so
this
> proves the point that im am either ignorant or stupid (little bit of
both?)
> i never even thought to look at the tire size, just like the other night,
my
> instrument light wasn't working, drove all the way home with no light
before
> i remembered to check the dimmer!!!
> please feel free to throw whatever rotten fruit you may have at me,
>
> ian
............

Splat!.... hit's ian with large over ripe strawberry.... hehe

What the heck is a 9.5R-16.5J? I thought tire sizes went "###/###/R##" as in
235/85/R16?


Danger


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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 20:53:12 -0700
From: Jacob Heilman
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 360 or 390 or???

Does anyone know how to tell the difference between a 360 and a 390
without taking internal engine measurements? I was told my 73 F250 4X4
had a 390 when I bought it but the vin decoder on the web site says it
came with a 360. I like the way the truck runs but I just want to know
exactly what I have.



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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 20:56:16 -0700
From: Jacob Heilman
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Trim clips

Anyone know where to get the plastic clips used to hold on the chrome
side body moldings on an XLT. I need the ones for the center chrome
that has the rubber strip and for the racetrack moldings on the rocker
panels. I also need a new gasket for the rear window. Any little tips
about a repaint would be appreciated also. Is it possible to match the
color of a 73 with today's paints without custom mixing?

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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 23:51:16 EDT
From: IanBoss69 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: F-250 tire sizes

31 9.5 r15(nother letter here) sorry
thanks for the strawberry, twas delish!

Ian
79 f250 4x4 4spd 351M

True Blue,,,Ford Blue
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 00:43:55 EDT
From: Bad4dFilly aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Headers?

Hey y'all! I'm still alive! I have a question about headers and I apologize
cuz I don't know all that much about em but here goes: I'd like to put
headers on my truck but from what I understand I can't do that because of
smog reasons cuz it wouldn't pass, would it Anyone have any other
suggestions or tricks I can try so I can pass smog? I basically wanna make my
truck sound better Thanks y'all!
Hope I wasn't too vague! =)

*~*~Lisa and Envy~*~*
*~*~Silly boys...trucks are for girls!~*~*
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 00:45:13 EDT
From: KAKneeland aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - blinking headlights

Hey Everyone,

Okay, this one has me stumped. On my 71 Bronco my headlights start blinking
after they've been on for about 2 minutes. I checked all my grounds. I
followed all my wires back to the switch, and as far as I can tell there's no
breaks or shorts. The blinking isn't related to bumps in the road or me
playing with the switch. The only thing I can come up with, is that I need
to replace the headlight switch all together. Any thoughts???

Deputy
KAKneeland aol.com
71 Bronco w/302
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 00:56:18 EDT
From: TWL1911 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Headers?

just throw on headers it doesnt matter on a truck thats old they could never
pass a smopg test
Travis
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:57:33 -0700
From: Mike Pacheco
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - blinking headlights

Definitely headlight switch without a doubt...

Mike in Burien

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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:20:14 -0800
From: "Erik Marquez"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - blinking headlights

My educated guess would be head light switch, they get old, and when they
get hot, it creates an open, the switch cools, BINGO you have lights again,
then it starts all over.

Erik Marquez
bronco78 mosquitonet.com
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Home of the BB decal
Bronco 78 in the BB chat room
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From: KAKneeland aol.com
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, June 21, 1999 8:52 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - blinking headlights


>Hey Everyone,
>
>Okay, this one has me stumped. On my 71 Bronco my headlights start
blinking
>after they've been on for about 2 minutes. I checked all my grounds. I
>followed all my wires back to the switch, and as far as I can tell there's
no
>breaks or shorts. The blinking isn't related to bumps in the road or me
>playing with the switch. The only thing I can come up with, is that I need
>to replace the headlight switch all together. Any thoughts???
>
>Deputy
>KAKneeland aol.com
>71 Bronco w/302
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 01:26:58 -0400
From: "George W. Selby, III"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: NC tint laws

NC TINT LAW

If it was on the vehicle before June 1986, it is OK, until two years ago,
now it has to be no less light transmittance than 35%. It is tested in
order to get your vehicle inspection. A figure as low as 33% will pass, to
allow some change in original 35% film over time.

The highway patrol has been doing checkpoints in my area (eastern NC) to
verify NC vehicle inspections are being done correctly. They will check
all inspections items at the side of the road on all cars that pass thru.
They write you a ticket (used to be $50 and if you got a sticker before
the court date, you would be dropped, now its $200 and they won't drop it),
and if your inspection sticker is fairly new, they also go after the shp
that gave it to you ($50,000 fine for the shop) Big business for the state
all the way around.

Funny how all the police cars in my area are starting to be equipted with
Limo Black (5-10% light trans) on the cruisers.

George Selby
78 F-150 400M, 4 on floor, 4x4
86 Audi 4000CS Quattro
IsuzuG prodigy.net


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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 01:20:04 -0400
From: "Don Haring, Jr."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - removing old window tint

Larry Schmiedekamp said:
> Is there a lesson for remove window tint. Mine is old and cracked
> with bubbles.
==

I removed the old tint from my van with just a straight edge razor blade.
It scraped right off. Buy a metal holder ($1 at the hardware store) for the
razor blade -- you'll get better control and leverage.

- -don

- --
Don in Philadelphia, Internet Director - Keystone Chapter FCA
66 Falcon Deluxe Club Wagon, 61 Falcon Futura, and classic scooters
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 02:52:29 -0500
From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 360 or 390 or???

About the only for sure way to find out is to pull a spark plug and
measure the stroke with a wooden dowel or wire. First, disable the
ignition. Remove a sparkplug and insert the wire or dowel into the
cylinder. Have a buddy turn the engine over with a breaker bar using a
socket on the balancer bolt. Once you get to the top or bottom of the
stroke, measure how much travel the piston moves. 3.48" could either be....


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