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61-79-list-digest Wednesday, June 16 1999 Volume 03 : Number 205

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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Odd one
FTE 61-79 - T-Bird Intake
Re: FTE 61-79 - T-Bird /CJ Intake comparison
FTE 61-79 - Tech page for a C4
FTE 61-79 - Centurian
Re: FTE 61-79 - front groups on a 78-F-150
Re: FTE 61-79 - Reviving a slumbering van...
Re: FTE 61-79 - More Emissions - Equipment Info needed
FTE 61-79 - front groups on a 78-F-150
FTE 61-79 - starter solenoid
FTE 61-79 - Freewheeling OD
FTE 61-79 - Timing marks
Re: FTE 61-79 - Odd one
FTE 61-79 - RE: Block sizes
FTE 61-79 - RE: Fog Lights
FTE 61-79 - RE: 429 Emissions problems
FTE 61-79 - Ford engine sizes
FTE 61-79 - Carb angle
Re: FTE 61-79 - Ford engine sizes
FTE 61-79 - Apology to Bas van der Veer / Dyno testing
Re: FTE 61-79 - Reviving a slumbering van...
Re: FTE 61-79 - More Emissions - Equipment Info needed
FTE 61-79 - air conditioning
FTE 61-79 - Centurion
FTE 61-79 - air conditioning
Re: FTE 61-79 - air conditioning
FTE 61-79 - paint can prep
FTE 61-79 - no oil?
RE: FTE 61-79 - no oil?
FTE 61-79 - master cy,inder
FTE 61-79 -
Re: FTE 61-79 - paint can prep
FTE 61-79 - A couple questions?
Re: FTE 61-79 - no oil?
FTE 61-79 - Wiper problem
FTE 61-79 - 1972 360cui
FTE 61-79 - Power Disc Brakes
RE: FTE 61-79 - Power Disc Brakes
FTE 61-79 - 360 FE Engine Question
FTE 61-79 - Steering Wheel restoration
Re: FTE 61-79 - 1972 360cui
FTE 61-79 - 1973 F-250 filler neck
Re: FTE 61-79 - Power Disc Brakes
Re: FTE 61-79 - Power Disc Brakes
FTE 61-79 - Re:5-spd. trannies
Re: FTE 61-79 - Power Disc Brakes
Re: FTE 61-79 - 66 F-250 240 cid.
Re: FTE 61-79 - Odd one
FTE 61-79 - Trip to Utah
Re: FTE 61-79 - Freewheeling OD
FTE 61-79 - Re- master cylinder
Re: FTE 61-79 - Wiper problem
FTE 61-79 - Who owns a trailer/flatbed?
Re: FTE 61-79 - More Emissions - Equipment Info needed
FTE 61-79 - tire sizes
FTE 61-79 - RE:4spd/auto

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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 01:34:07 -0700
From: "J.S.H."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Odd one

Here is a different one for the group.On my 76,the rear markers and
the tail lights don't come on with the front markers,dash lights etc:
They come on a minute or so later.I checked the connections and sockets,
but I don't think thats the problem.Once the rear lights come on they
stay lit over bumps etc:Once they are lit,I can turn them off and back
on and they come right on.If it's the switch wouldn't the front lights
act up too? it definitely has me scratchin' my head.
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 02:09:51 -0700
From: "J.S.H."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - T-Bird Intake

I have been running a 67 T-Bird intake on my truck off and on for 20
years.The carb seems to set at slight angle but it's not a problem.
Other year birds may have a steeper angle.
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 04:46:05 -0500
From: ballingr

ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - T-Bird /CJ Intake comparison

>
> I understand the feeling here ... the Performer series is the same specs as
> the stock manifold anyway isn't it ? Seems like they were bragging
> something about it being the same height as stock for low hood clearance
> (not a problem on most of these trucks :). I never really saw the
> advantage when you throw it on a 4x4 that has all the extra weight of the
> front axle and everything.

They also found out when they "redesigned" the FE head, just how well
the head worked in it's stock configuration. They ended up going back
to the factory specs in their "new design" heads. Yeah, they're
lighter, but FE heads only weigh about 40-45 lbs each anyway. Big
deal. I'd rather redo the stock ones for around $300-$400 and keeep it
iron. Aluminum heads give nearly always give trouble down the road.
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 19:35:51 +0800
From: "David and Cherie"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Tech page for a C4

Can anyone suggest a Tech page on the web for working on a C4 tranny?????
Dave Australia.

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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 07:08:13 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Centurian

>>By the way, there was a thread recently about some kind of grafting a Bronco
with a Crewcab or something.

CJ,
It is called a Centurion. Someone on this list owns one, too. I asked the
original question because someone here in Killeen owns one that I happened
to see at Lowe's. It is an awesome looking truck.

- -- John
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 07:56:17 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - front groups on a 78-F-150

>>Does anyone know if the front group from a 73-77 truck is different from the
>>front group on a 78 or 79. I am having trouble putting headlights and grill,
>>etc. on a 78- F-150, the whole truck is 78, except the front group is from a
>>76. Is it different, especially the radiator/grill mount.
>
>The 78-79 front grills and headlights were totally different than the
>73-77. The earlier model had a split-grill kind of setup whereas the 78-79
>had the one big plastic grill piece in the middle. The chrome shell for the
>whole front end is subsequently different and I would imagine the headlight
>brackets would be different since the headlights and turn signals are in
>different spots.
>
>The actual rad mount is "probably" the same but the bolt holes for the
>headlight brackets and stuff might be in different locations.

Nope, they're the same. Tony sent me a rad support from a 78 to compare
with the 73/4 that's in my truck ... they are the same in every bolt
location I could check. The big difference is the size of the hole in the
front, that was much smaller on mine, so his would let more air through.
As a side note, there is a 79 grille and front end fitted to my 73.

If they are,
>you might be better off trying to find a 78-79 grill. Though good luck
>finding a plastic grill piece that is cracked...
>
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ranger3.cc.iastate.edu/Images/Truck/eng05.jpg
:)

You can buy the grilles from lots of different places, JC Witless may even
have them... the local autoparts store can probably order them in for the
same price though ... I think it was 40 bucks for the grey/argent/black and
50 for chrome. That's the 78/9 style.

Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 08:11:46 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Reviving a slumbering van...

At 06:23 PM 6/14/99 , you wrote:
>Hello there! This is my first post, so if I'm doing it wrong, I apologize.
>
Looks right to me ...

>I just got a '77 E150 from the original owner. It is in really nice shape,
>but hasn't been driven for about 4 years and hasn't been started in about 2.
>What should I do to it besides changing all the filters/fluids before I
>attempt to start it?
>
You might want to pull the spark plugs and shoot some oil down the cylinder
walls, also might be good to try and turn the motor by hand first, wouldn't
want to burn up a starter trying to turn a frozen engine ... you might
consider "pre-oiling" too ... depends on what shape you think the motor is
in. If its in great shape and you are going to be keeping it without a
rebuild for a while, then I'd definitely pre oil, and be sure it turned
over by hand (with the plugs out) before I even started thinking about
starting it. Also might be good to have some fuel handy, in case the fuel
pump isn't what it was when it was parked ... we got a car like this once,
the guy could get it to run by pouring gas down the carb, but that was all
the longer in would run ... turned out the fitting on the fuel pump was
cracked, a new one of those ($.25) and it was runnin like a top ... 'cept
it was missing 2nd and 4th gears :) Also be sure the electrical system is
clean ... points, plugs, that stuff ...

>I got a bunch of receipts for work done. The motor (351W) has about 50,000
>miles on it and the trans (C-6) has 40,000. Everything on the brake system
>except for the master cylinder maybe was replaced 10,000 miles ago (but that
>was EIGHT years ago!).
>
Once you get it running,let it warm up and be sure everything will hold up
to idling for a bit ... wouldn't want to try and drive it without checking
things like the radiator and brakes ... as for the brakes ... you should be
able to feel without things running how good those are ... if they are soft
and spongy, look for rotted lines/hoses and bleed the brakes out, the fluid
can't be in very good shape. Also if they are drum brakes, expect them to
hang, you might get them working by just hitting the brakes a few times, or
you may need wheel cylinders put in them ... not too hard, but will take
some time.

>How about changing the trans to an AOD for the extra gear? Can I bolt one
>in? Do I need a computer to run it? (This would be down the road a bit
>unless somehow the trans is bad now...)

Shouldn't be too big of a deal I don't think, there's guys out there who've
done it, the hardest thing is finding an AOD for a 351, seems like they
have trouble dealing with that much torque... though the 5.0's had one, so
I would think they could stand up for a while, especially if you were
gentle with it.

>I got the van for free, so I don't mind putting a little $ into it.
>
Now that's a deal ...

Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 08:14:57 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - More Emissions - Equipment Info needed

> First off, you need to find the info for a 429, not a 351 or a 460.

Except that the 429 wasn't available that year....

>Second, you're going to need all equipment for the year 79 which would
>include (EGR, Cats, Air pump, Evap Canister, etc.) that would have been stock
>on a 429 to make it legal.

*see above*

The other alternative is to go back to a 351 with
>all the right equipment. Currently you won't pass any kind of test with the
>setup you have now, take it from a mechanic who knows.

Uhm....sorry to break this to you, but on the outside it looks just like
(or very very similar to) a 460, if he slapped a 460 valve cover on that
and said it was that, would you know the difference ? Somehow I don't
think too many people would.

Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 06:18:09 PDT
From: MARTY COLMAN
Subject: FTE 61-79 - front groups on a 78-F-150

>Does anyone know if the front group from a 73-77 truck is different >from
>the
>front group on a 78 or 79. I am having trouble putting headlights >and
>grill,
>etc. on a 78- F-150, the whole truck is 78, except the frontgroup is >from
>a
>76. Is it different, especially the radiator/grill mount.
�� Thanks,�� Adam Jones

I just finished putting a '79 grill onto my 73 F100. It all bolts up except
for the headlight brackets, I had to drill new holes for them. I put the
chrome shell on with the brackets attached to it (then they were in the
correct place). And then drilled the holes and bolted the brackets on.

Marty Colman

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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 10:51:20 -0400
From: am14

chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - starter solenoid

MJ writes: >>Also, can anyone
tell me how to wire the starter since the selenoid is on the starter and the
one on the fender is no longer needed?

Wire it the same as the engine you took out. Go thru the fender solenoid.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 10:57:10 -0400
From: am14

chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Freewheeling OD

Jeff writes: >>I have what I expect is the same overdrive on my 1969 F100 360.
When I push the handle in it begins to freewheel (no engine braking on
deceleration) but it does not seem to engage. I have brought the truck to a
couple of local transmission shops (I live in Fresno Ca) but all I get is "thats
an obsolete transmission (duh!)...just drive it without the overdrive". I
suspect that the governor might be the culprit, but am at a loss as to how to
check it, or where to find replacement parts. Any help would be greatly
appreciated!

There should be a relay on the cowl right behind the carburator that has an
external fuse in it. Check that fuse. It is probably blown. If it isn't blown
then the governor is not making a good contact (probably corroded). All the
governor does is furnish ground after the vehicle reaches a predetermioned speed
(usually around 28-30 MPH.) Oh yea!!! That handle in (or under) the dash -
Don't try to pull it out while the truck is coasting or in OD. You will do
major damage to the OD unit. You can push it in while moving, but do not pull
it back out while moving.

I may have to refresh my memory here, but this is not rocket science to get to
work, provided the internals are OK.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 10:59:24 -0400
From: am14

chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Timing marks

You guys/gals having trouble distinguishing your timing marks might want to try
this. I have, on several different occasions, had to sand paper the
circumference of the vibration damper ever so lightly to find the marks, but I
have never failed to locate them. You might also have to have some very good
light under the bottom to find them. Once you find them, mark "0" and the
degree (ie 8 or 10 or 12 TDC degrees) with some bright white (or your favorite
bright color). I always do this from underneath the vehicle, since it's much
easier to access the vibration damper there.

Azie
Ardmore, AL.

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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 10:17:09 -0500
From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Odd one

J.S.H. wrote:
>
> Here is a different one for the group.On my 76,the rear markers and
> the tail lights don't come on with the front markers,dash lights etc:
> They come on a minute or so later.

My Ford Tempo does the same thing with a front parking light. I think
it's the bulb, but I haven't torn it apart yet.

Jason
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 11:16:49 -0400
From: "George W. Selby, III"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Block sizes

The 289, 302, 351, 400 are all small blocks because they all share the same
bore spacing between cylinders. With water passage changes the heads will
swap between any of the engines in this family. Ford changed the
bellhousing pattern on the 400M (and thus the 351M, which was a stopgap
measure destroked 400M built to satisfy unexpected demand for 351 size
engines) to a big block pattern so they could use transmissions with
stronger internals due to the added torques of 400 cubic inches. The FE
series is the first Ford Big Block, and the 429/460 is the second Ford BIg
Block, and usually the one referred to when someone mentions 'Big Block
Ford'.

I agree with a previous post the big and small block refer primarily the
Chevys and Dodges, where most parts are freely interchangable between
engines of the same family. Ford engines are best refered to by specific
size (especially with the small block series which seems to have had the
most changes which cause parts incompatibility), or 335, 385, FE, FT,
Windsor Small Block.

George Selby
78 F-150 400M, 4 on floor, 4x4
IsuzuG

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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 11:07:36 -0400
From: "George W. Selby, III"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Fog Lights

Factory installations (due to state laws in Virginia and several other
states) require that the fog lights go out when the high beams go on I
don't know why. If your high beams are on, then the added light of the fog
beams is not going to blind anyone. I find fog lights most useful when
the high beams are on, as they fill in the dead area right in front of the
truck. The second best use is daylight rain conditions, as everyone can
see the yellow fog beam better than the regular headlights. (In fact even
though the law in NC requires the use of headlights in the rain, I always
use just the fog and parking lights, and have never had anything said to me
by the police.)

As far ar wiring goes, I always use a relay, and use the parking lights for
the turn on (+12V) signal. If you want them to turn on only with either
the high beams or low beams, then tap into the headlight wire going to the
beam you want for the turn on signal for the relay.

George Selby
78 F-150 400M, 4 on floor, 4x4
IsuzuG

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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 11:24:59 -0400
From: "George W. Selby, III"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: 429 Emissions problems

From what I understand, any member of the same engine family can be swapped
in as long as it has all the required emissions parts for the engine of the
appropriate year. More simply a 460 could be put in place of a 429, as
long as the 460 has all the emissions parts the 429 was required to have
for that year truck. You are doing the reverse of this (putting a 429 in
place of a 460) Technically you are not supposed to go backward in engine
years (you should not put a 78 engine in a 85 truck). Easily noticable
because 439 production was stopped in 1973 I believe, so obviously you
can't use the stock 429 info because it doesn't exist . This would be the
only source of problems I could see (and if you swapped in 460 stickers and
valve covers, no one would notice the difference).

George Selby
78 F-150 400M, 4 on floor, 4x4
IsuzuG

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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 11:32:46 -0400
From: am14

chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Ford engine sizes

Wish writes: >>Here on the Ford side its usually safer to refer to it by series
... M, FE,
Windsor, 385 ... etc.

Got my vote!!! I never did like the terms"big block/Small block".

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 11:40:21 -0400
From: am14

chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Carb angle

Eric writes: >>I'm told that the carb flange on the T-bird intakes is at a
significantly
different angle and is incompatible with a truck installation. However, I
had been asking about the 3x2 intake.

I've run about all kinds of intakes on my trucks. The angle is slightly
different, but it won't generally cause you any problems. I've run the 428CJ
standard intake ('69 model) and the '61 3 duece setup and the Aluminum 428CJ in
different trucks with no problems.

Azie
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 08:51:44 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Ford engine sizes

However the aftermarket does refer to many parts applications as "small
block Ford" (260-302) but they don't very often refer to "big block Ford"
usually it's FE or 429/460.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

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From: am14

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Date: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 8:35 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Ford engine sizes

>Wish writes: >>Here on the Ford side its usually safer to refer to it by
series
>... M, FE, Windsor, 385 ... etc.
>
>Got my vote!!! I never did like the terms"big block/Small block".

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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 09:28:07 -0700
From: "Steven Salas"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Apology to Bas van der Veer / Dyno testing

My sincerest apologies to Bas van der Veer, for my misspelling of his name
in an attempted response to a post a few days ago. My response was, to let
those living in this (San Francisco bay) area, interested in chassis dyno
testing, that facilities are available. My brothers shop is equipped with a
Dynojet chassis dyno. If anyone is interested please contact me and I will
give you the number to his shop. Best Regards, Steve Salas
P.S. yesterday he tested a new F-350 dually with the V-10 (FTE content
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 11:26:00 -0600
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Reviving a slumbering van...

>From: "Southerland, Rich"
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - Reviving a slumbering van...
>
>I just got a '77 E150 from the original owner.
>snip
> I got a bunch of receipts for work done. The motor
>(351W) has about 50,000 miles on it and the trans (C-6)
>has 40,000.
>snip
>How about changing the trans to an AOD for the
>extra gear? Can I bolt one in? Do I need a computer
>to run it? (This would be down the road a bit
>unless somehow the trans is bad now...)

Yo Rich:

The AOD was not computer controlled, so that shouldn't be a problem. However,
the C6 is a much sturdier tranny than the AOD, and in a big van, I'd think the
C6 would prove more durable in the long run. From what I understand, the AOD is
comparable to a C4 in power-handling capacity.

Wish also added:
>the hardest thing is finding an AOD for a 351,
>seems like they have trouble dealing with that
> much torque... though the 5.0's had one,

Au contraire, mon ami! All the Police package Crown Vics from 1979 to 1986 used
the AOD behind a 351W. Granted, it wasn't a Mustang and it didn't have the
later 5.0 HO horsepower, but those CVs were 4.5K lbs barges that were thrashed
about a bit, including a few high-speed acceleration maneuvers. Up to at least
1984 (that I know of), the Police 351W was rated for more torque output than the
Mustang 5.0 HO.

The only difference between a 302 AOD and the 351W AOD was in the shift control.
The 351 AOD allowed you to shift into 2 and "lock out" first gear when starting
up (to reduce torque at the wheels and avoid spinning in low traction
conditions). I'm not familiar w/ transmission in the Canadian trailer package,
but in Canada, you could get a Crown Vic w/ the 351W and AOD as a Trailer Towing
package.

The AOD was also used in some early 80s F100s and F150s (not sure, but I'd bet
Econolines, too). I'm not sure what engines the AOD was used w/ in trucks.

Dave R (M-block devotee)

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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:46:42 -0400
From: "Sean R. Kerns"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - More Emissions - Equipment Info needed

Well, see, that's the thing. As far as I have been able to
determine, there were no 429's offered in the '79 model year
at all, and at the very least not on a truck.
So my question is what's my next best source of info? I
figured that since there _was_ a 460 offered in '79, that
info would be closer than the 351 info.
Any ideas?

Thanks,

Sean

> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 18:56:09 EDT
> From: Lion5859

aol.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - More Emissions - Equipment Info needed
>
> Hey Sean,
>
> First off, you need to find the info for a 429, not a 351 or a 460.
> Second, you're going to need all equipment for the year 79 which would
> include (EGR, Cats, Air pump, Evap Canister, etc.) that would have been stock
> on a 429 to make it legal. The other alternative is to go back to a 351 with
> all the right equipment. Currently you won't pass any kind of test with the
> setup you have now, take it from a mechanic who knows. If you have any
> further questions or quereys....let me know.
>
> Maurice
> 76 E 250 Club Wagon
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:47:07 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - air conditioning

Yo Brian K.,

I'm still running R-12. I didn't have time to convert it myself and the shop
wanted $700 to do it for me. They insisted my compressor, all hoses, and all
O-rings would have to be replaced along with the dryer and the orifice tube.
The $112 was $40 labor and 2.25 lbs. of freon 12.

I'm old and fat. If the sun comes up it is hot enough to run the air. Shoot.
I'll run it after dark, too. Let's see now, that means if I'm in the truck,
the air is on. :-)

- -- John
jlagrone

aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - air conditioning

not to complicate things but how easy( or hard you tell me) would it be to
add air to a truck that came from the factory without it, specifically a 79
f250 4by?

ian
79 f250 4x4 4spd 351w
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 14:32:38 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - paint can prep

wish,

I just sanded mine like you would for any other paint job, treated the rust
with naval jelly, filled the holes with Bondo, then finished with scratch
filler. Primered the whole rig with Krylon primer in a can. Sanded the
primer coat lightly with 400 wet or dry. Reprimered as needed, then resanded
as needed. I shot the finish coat in four light layers, with the last layer
being the thickest. I do have a slight problem with peeling on the top of
the bed rails, but the original paint peeled there, too. It is real easy to
touch up these spots.

- -- John
jlagrone

ford-trucks.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 12:52 PM
To: -FordTruckDigest
Subject: FTE 61-79 - no oil?

>>I wish I was born 20 years earlier..... ohwell,
another 20 years from now we'll run out of oil.

I just read an article several days ago that says there is still three times
more oil under the ocean than we have used already. Add this to what is
still undiscovered and there is supposed to be enough oil for another 300
years or so. I am sure also that we will have found another energy source by
then.

- -- John
jlagrone

ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom LWB Regular Cab 351M C6 (Henry)
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 15:10:51 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - master cy,inder

>>My master cylinder likes to leak out the top around the cap. I can tell
when some has leaked out cause my brakes get really crappy til I fill it
back up. I'm just curious if this is the sign of a bad master cylinder or
if I just need to replace that rubber gasket or ?.

Brett,
This is what mine used to do. I think the proportioning valve is stuck to
one side. On mine the small reservoir (for the back brakes) would empty into
the large one causing the large one to overflow. A stainless steel hose
clamp and a strategically placed hole between the two reservoirs is my
temporary fix that has lasted three years. I do not recommend my fix.
Replace the bad components.

- -- John
jlagrone

pscico.com
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At 02:32 PM 6/15/99 -0500, you wrote:
>wish,
>
>I just sanded mine like you would for any other paint job, treated the rust
>with naval jelly, filled the holes with Bondo, then finished with scratch
>filler. Primered the whole rig with Krylon primer in a can. Sanded the
>primer coat lightly with 400 wet or dry. Reprimered as needed, then resanded
>as needed. I shot the finish coat in four light layers, with the last layer
>being the thickest. I do have a slight problem with peeling on the top of
>the bed rails, but the original paint peeled there, too. It is real easy to
>touch up these spots.
>
>-- John
>jlagrone

ford-trucks.com
>1979 F150 Custom LWB Regular Cab 351M C6 (Henry)
>http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
>Dearborn iron rules!!!!

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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 15:58:39 CDT
From: Daniel Hansen
Subject: FTE 61-79 - A couple questions?

Hello everybody i have a few questions to ask and i hope u all can answer
them. First of all i am rebuilding a 390 and i am going to put a stall
conveter in it, and i went to a store to try to order one and they said i
needed to get information on the engine. They told me like what is my
compression going to be and stuff like that. But of course i couldn't
remember what i all had to look for and i was to far away to turn around and
go ask him so i thought i would ask u guys. So can u please tell me what
kind of information should i need to get the right stall converter so it
works right. I got one more question here for you. I am rebuilding a 66
comet 2 door hardtop and i have been looking everywhere for quarter panels
and i can't find them anywhere. If any of you know where i can get a pair
please tell me the website or their phone number. Thanks for all of the
help!!

Endroman

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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 15:02:09 -0600
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - no oil?

>I am sure also that we will have found another
>energy source by then.

More importantly, by then we'll have figured out how to make it fun and retrofit
it into our 61-79 Ford trucks :-).

Dave R (M-block devotee, working on a gas/plasma superconducting 400 that'll
blow away any gas/plasma superconducting big block!)

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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 14:36:05 -0700
From: "J.S.H."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Wiper problem

The wipers on the 84 I bought a week ago,(now I have 3 Ford Trucks:)
only have the highest speed and don't park when shut off.
Is it the switch or wiper motor?
I should post this to the proper list,but I just like this list more.
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 17:18:55 -0500
From: "Darrell Dunn"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1972 360cui

I am the proud owner of a 1972 Ford Custom f100 with a 360 cu in, 2bbl
automatic with add on air (not working at present I might add). I am
planning on getting a new long block for it. Or am I wasting my time with
it? Anyone know anything about this motor? Is it any good? What do I need to
look out for? Does anyone now the specifications and pattern for torquing
the center head?
Darrell
dunn

direclynx.net

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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 16:18:48 -0700
From: "Danger"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Power Disc Brakes

It looks like the conversion I did on my 69 F250 just paid off. While
driving down the road at about 40 MPH, the small car in front of me stopped
on a dime when the light turned yellow (99% of the drivers would have went
through the intersection,.... but this was that 1% guy), and I was able to
stop with a few feet to spare.

I honestly don't think the original front drum system would have stopped in
time.

Danger

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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 15:33:38 -0700
From: "Southerland, Rich"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Power Disc Brakes

What a coincidence! My father in law has a '67 F100 and wants disc brakes.
Anyone know what year truck we need to get parts off of? He has a neighbor
parting a '74 F100...

- -----Original Message-----
From: Danger [mailto:danger

csolutions.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 4:19 PM
To: Ford Truck List
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Power Disc Brakes

It looks like the conversion I did on my 69 F250 just paid off. While
driving down the road at about 40 MPH, the small car in front of me stopped
on a dime when the light turned yellow (99% of the drivers would have went
through the intersection,.... but this was that 1% guy), and I was able to
stop with a few feet to spare.

I honestly don't think the original front drum system would have stopped in
time.

Danger

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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 17:49:36 -0500
From: "Frank & Erin"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 360 FE Engine Question

I just recently purchased a 71 F-100 Ranger XLT from a friend. The truck has
a 360 engine. Being new to the world of truck rebuilding and restoration I
have a question for the experts. I plan to eventually begin rebuilding the
engine and adding a few performance parts. Would I be better off swapping
the engine for a 390 or does the 360 provide a solid enough base.

Frank Moore
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 19:09:18 -0700
From: "O'Connor"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Steering Wheel restoration

Hi,
There was an article about 2 years ago in Custom Classic Trucks on how to
restore a Ford steering wheel. It gave blow by blow instructions and
pictures. It also gave the part numbers from the manufacturer of the the
materials. If you can't find it, I might be able to dig it up for you if I
still have it.

Tim
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 17:18:20 -0700
From: "Danger"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1972 360cui

Darrell wrote...

> I am the proud owner of a 1972 Ford Custom f100 with a 360 cu in, 2bbl
> automatic with add on air (not working at present I might add). I am
> planning on getting a new long block for it. Or am I wasting my time with
> it? Anyone know anything about this motor? Is it any good? What do I need
to
> look out for? Does anyone now the specifications and pattern for torquing
> the center head?
..........

The 360 is a great engine but have you considered a 390 instead? IMHO
they are both very good engines but the extra 30 cubic inches makes a
noticable difference in the neck muscles when stepping on the gas as you
don't want to bounce your head of the back window... hehe.

What you refer to as the "center head" sounds like the intake manifold
which sits on top of the engine between the heads. If you plan on
installling the intake manifold, you should get a strong assitant and a book
by Steve Christ "How To Rebuild Big-Block Ford Engines" with ISBN #
0-89586-070-8

The intake should be torqued to 32 -35 ft-lbs

... FRONT...
6 3
9 8
1 2
7 10
4 5
...REAR...

I used contact cement to glue the cork gaskets to the block which seems to
work quite well along with a large gob of RTV in the corners where the
gaskets interlock. The water ports should each have sealer on both sides of
the gasket as well.

Danger

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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 16:40:57 -0700
From: "Steve Schwartz"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1973 F-250 filler neck

Hi everyone,

I have a 1973 F-250 w/Explorer pkg, with a single, rear mounted gas tank.
The filler neck is NOT behind an access door, i.e., it is almost flush with
the rear, driver's side fender, behind the wheelwell.

Due to its vintage, the filler neck is for LEADED fuel. Here in California
we have, of course, unleaded, vapor-recovery nozzles on most of our gas
pumps. Due to its smaller size, the nozzle won't stay in a position that
allows the fuel to flow without tripping the automatic shutoff, and spilling
fuel all over the place.

Does anyone have, or know of, an UNLEADED filler neck, perhaps from a later
truck, that will fit this type of setup?

Thanks in advance,

Steve Schwartz
ses

home.com

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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 17:44:14 -0700
From: "Danger"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Power Disc Brakes

> My father in law has a '67 F100 and wants disc brakes.
> Anyone know what year truck we need to get parts off of? He has a
neighbor
> parting a '74 F100...
>
.........

I could be mistaken, but I think you need something from 67-72.

In my case the donor truck was a 68 F250 and I was putting the parts
onto a 69 F250

Danger

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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 16:49:38 -0700
From: "Sam Weatherby"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Power Disc Brakes

I have '74 parts on my '65. Shouldn't be much problem at all.
I swapped over the spindles, but I keep wondering if I could have swapped
the I-beams at the same time.
I would suggest comparing the lengths of the I-beams when swapping.
-srw

Sam Weatherby http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://insert.com/sammy
SWeatherby

UsWest.Net A-SamWe

Microsoft.com
'70 Grabber Sportsroof Mustang
'65 F100

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Danger
To: Ford Truck List
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Power Disc Brakes

> > My father in law has a '67 F100 and wants disc brakes.
> > Anyone know what year truck we need to get parts off of? He has a
> neighbor
> > parting a '74 F100...
> >
> .........
>
> I could be mistaken, but I think you need something from 67-72.
>
> In my case the donor truck was a 68 F250 and I was putting the parts
> onto a 69 F250
>
>
> Danger
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 17:09:37 -0700
From: Carey & Norm
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re:5-spd. trannies

I wasn't aware the ZF was a Mazda tranny. Is that the only 5-spd.tranny Ford mounts behind it's 460s? Any other options? I was kinda thinking a 5-spd swap might be a little easier since I don't have the FE motor anymore. Things are
going great with the swap; don't wanna mess anything up with a bad choice on transmissions! Thanks.
Norm

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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 20:56:16 -0400
From: "Ted & Sarah Freeman"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Power Disc Brakes

I believe everything up to a '78 will fit the '67-'72. I know there is an
excellent tech article on the main page that covers this swap. I'm getting
parts of a '78 and have been told that I can take the whole I-beam and
it'll work. I like the meater look of the older ones, so I'll probably
keep mine.

- -Ted

- ----------
> From: Sam Weatherby
> To: 61-79-list

ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Power Disc Brakes
> Date: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 7:49 PM
>
> I have '74 parts on my '65. Shouldn't be much problem at all.
> I swapped over the spindles, but I keep wondering if I could have swapped
> the I-beams at the same time.
> I would suggest comparing the lengths of the I-beams when swapping.
> -srw
>

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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 21:06:35 EDT
From: TBeeee

aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 66 F-250 240 cid.

In a message dated 6/15/99 4:25:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
jlagrone

ford-trucks.com writes:

> I'd be more worried about the fiber from the cam gear being sucked up in the
> oil screen keeping my oil from getting where it needs to.

Yeah thanks. This is one of those solid fiber gears not fiber
molded over aluminum. There was very little broken off. I have pulled the
pump and plan on cleaning all of the passages real well.

> My uncle had a machine with a diamond grinder for refacing lifters and
valve
> stems. It is OK for very minor imperfections. From what you describe, the
> parts need to be replaced unless you are planning on another tear down in
> the very near future.

I am inclined to agree with you. I might just do a little touch and
go and plan on spending time rebuilding a head for next time. Thanks for
your input John.

Stock Man
1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible (in need of factory rims)
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 19:08:36 -0700
From: Don or Bub
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Odd one

my 72 f-100 had tat problem but i fixed it. the plastic housing that
holds the terminals become loose over time. the actual connection
becomes weak. the trick is to clean all four terminals and then possibly
placing a a pin in between the terminal.
good luck
bub

Jason & Kathy Kendrick wrote:
>
> J.S.H. wrote:
> >
> > Here is a different one for the group.On my 76,the rear markers and
> > the tail lights don't come on with the front markers,dash lights etc:
> > They come on a minute or so later.
>
> My Ford Tempo does the same thing with a front parking light. I think
> it's the bulb, but I haven't torn it apart yet.
>
> Jason
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 22:38:46 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD

aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Trip to Utah

Hi folks, I was wondering if any of you are in or Around St. George Utah.
I'm takin a trip (in Tweety of course) to Pine Valley which is out side of
Veyo, which is out side of St. George. I'm leavin tomorrow night, and I'll
be there till Sunday. If any of you are in the Area, maybe we can arrange a
lil get together. If so lemme know by early tomorrow morning, as that will
be my last E-mail check before the trip. If not, well I know I'll be in Reno
for Hot August nights, so I guess I'll meet some of ya then. See ya out
there.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 20:18:27 -0700
From: Jeff Harsha
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Freewheeling OD

Thanks for the information. I've checked the fuse and it's ok. I was about to
focus on the governor, I knew from the wiring diagrams that I got that all it does
is supply a ground, so my next step will be to ground it myself and try it. I
appreciate the info on not pulling out the handle while moving (disengaging the
OD). I had assumed that to be the case, but but was also reticent to push it in
(engaging OD) while moving. You are saying that that is OK?.

am14

chrysler.com wrote:

> Jeff writes: >>I have what I expect is the same overdrive on my 1969 F100 360.
> When I push the handle in it begins to freewheel (no engine braking on
> deceleration) but it does not seem to engage. I have brought the truck to a
> couple of local transmission shops (I live in Fresno Ca) but all I get is "thats
> an obsolete transmission (duh!)...just drive it without the overdrive". I
> suspect that the governor might be the culprit, but am at a loss as to how to
> check it, or where to find replacement parts. Any help would be greatly
> appreciated!
>
> There should be a relay on the cowl right behind the carburator that has an
> external fuse in it. Check that fuse. It is probably blown. If it isn't blown
> then the governor is not making a good contact (probably corroded). All the
> governor does is furnish ground after the vehicle reaches a predetermioned speed
> (usually around 28-30 MPH.) Oh yea!!! That handle in (or under) the dash -
> Don't try to pull it out while the truck is coasting or in OD. You will do
> major damage to the OD unit. You can push it in while moving, but do not pull
> it back out while moving.
>
> I may have to refresh my memory here, but this is not rocket science to get to
> work, provided the internals are OK.
>
> Azie
> Ardmore, Al.
>
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 20:59:13 -0700
From: sparky

mail.island.net
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re- master cylinder

>My master cylinder likes to leak out the top around the cap. I can tell
>when some has leaked out cause my brakes get really crappy til I fill it
>back up. I'm just curious if this is the sign of a bad master cylinder or
>if I just need to replace that rubber gasket or ?.
>
>Thanks,
>Brett
>76 F250 4x4
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.superford.org/fbird

I recently ran into the exact same problem on my wife's car. I replaced
the gasket and it still did the same thing. I replaced the entire master
cylinder, which was only $5 more than the gasket I found out later, and the
problem was cured. I think that the brake fluid was all being pushed into
the front resevoir due to an internal leak in the master cylinder, then
after it was too full it was forced past the gasket.

Sparky
73 F250 4x4
390FE 4V

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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 00:53:11 -0400
From: Ted Wnorowski
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Wiper problem

The "park" switch on my '64 motor is internal. I replaced my burned out motor with one I got from eBay for $1. It works great except the "park" doesn't work without a little persuasion. A good rap on the housing and they stop. Better than no wipers at all I guess. I'm not sure about the motor on your '84 though.
One thing I do know. If this wiper motor ever burns out, I'll probably just sell the truck. Whoever in their infinite wisdom decided to put the wiper motor under the dash........... An hour and a half to get it out, about another hour to get it back in. I guess big hands aren't all they're cracked up to be.

Ted Wnorowski
Bellevue,OH
'64 F-250

"J.S.H." wrote:

> The wipers on the 84 I bought a week ago,(now I have 3 Ford Trucks:)
> only have the highest speed and don't park when shut off.
> Is it the switch or wiper motor?
> I should post this to the proper list,but I just like this list more.
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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 00:51:57 -0400
From: Tony Marino
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Who owns a trailer/flatbed?

Ok list members, I'm going to play the role of a bad guy here--

I would like to solicite all of you into helping me out.

Recently (about a month ago) I bought another truck from Montana. A lady was in

dire need of money, I have a trustworthy friend out there, and one thing led to
another and I ended up buying a 1976 F-250 4x4 Camper Special off of an original
owner with a 360 and a 4spd for one heck of a price. Here's the problem-- I
don't
want to drive all the way out there AGAIN!!

I'm offering anybody who has trailering experience $1,000 dollars to deliver this

truck within the Ohio State borderlines, Period. The truck is located
specifically in Willow Creek, Montana, outside of Bozeman. I have tried calling

every trucking company imaginable, and tried contacting many trucking brokers,
and
even a few personal friends. They all have fallen through on me. So, my FTE
buddies, if anybody out there can SAFELY trailer my new pile, 'er prize
possession
to my state, please contact me personally by e-mail.

(PS- IJ, CJ, and WISH, if nothing else comes up, we are on if you guys still are)

Thanks

Tony Marino
tony

pscico.com
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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 01:03:38 EDT
From: SHill48337

aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - More Emissions - Equipment Info needed

In a message dated 6/15/99 6:18:45 AM Pacific Daylight Time, wish

iastate.edu
writes:

(or very very similar to) a 460, if he slapped a 460 valve cover on that
and said it was that, would you know the difference ? Somehow I don't
think too many people would.
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