FTE 61-79 - Fuel Mileage

61-79-list-digest Wednesday, March 24 1999 Volume 03 : Number 099

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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Fuel Mileage
FTE 61-79 - Brakes grab
Re: FTE 61-79 - Ear tuning
FTE 61-79 - engine oil leak origions
FTE 61-79 - 2 types of grilles for 1965 trucks?
Re: FTE 61-79 - changing round headlights to square
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: '70 hubcaps
Re: FTE 61-79 - engine oil leak origions
FTE 61-79 - gas mileage, was 352 vs 390
Re: FTE 61-79 - Brakes grab
Re: FTE 61-79 - Gas prices - OUCHHEEE!!!!
Re: FTE 61-79 - engine oil leak origions
Re: FTE 61-79 - Gas prices - OUCHHEEE!!!!
FTE 61-79 - 360/390 pistons
Re: FTE 61-79 - Gas prices - OUCHHEEE!!!!
Re: FTE 61-79 - 360/390 pistons
Re: FTE 61-79 - Gas prices - OUCHHEEE!!!!
FTE 61-79 - brakes grab
Re: FTE 61-79 - changing round headlights to square
Re: FTE 61-79 - 4x4 conversion
FTE 61-79 - VIN request for 72 F-100
Re: FTE 61-79 - VIN request for 72 F-100
FTE 61-79 - Re: 352 versus 390
FTE 61-79 - Gas prices - OUCHHEEE!!!!
FTE 61-79 - RE: (was blank now getting parts from the dealer)
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: 352 versus 390
FTE 61-79 - Fuel pump or Carb Problems
Re: FTE 61-79 - Fuel pump or Carb Problems
FTE 61-79 - Gas prices
FTE 61-79 - Primary sizes
RE: FTE 61-79 - Gas prices - OUCHHEEE!!!!
FTE 61-79 - Off topic-1999 Mustang GT
FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79-list - ...
Re: FTE 61-79 - Off topic-1999 Mustang GT
FTE 61-79 - tie rod separation
Re: FTE 61-79 - tie rod separation
FTE 61-79 - Finding parts
FTE 61-79 - tuning a steering box?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Gas prices - OUCHHEEE!!!!
Re: FTE 61-79 - Gas prices - OUCHHEEE!!!!
Re: FTE 61-79 - Gas prices - OUCHHEEE!!!!
Re: FTE 61-79 - changing round headlights to square
FTE 61-79 - EVAP stuff (what year did it start)
RE: FTE 61-79 - EVAP stuff (what year did it start)
Re: FTE 61-79 - tie rod separation
FTE 61-79 - RE: grill for 1965
FTE 61-79 - vacuum
Re: FTE 61-79 - Nuke the Arabs and take their oil! (was Gas Prices)
Re: FTE 61-79 - Ford on C#*y
Re: FTE 61-79 - VIN request for 72 F-100
FTE 61-79 - 2WD vs. 4WD Cabs
Re: FTE 61-79 - 2WD vs. 4WD Cabs
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Spamming the lists
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Updated charter and FAQ
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 06:39:16 -0600
From: ballingr

ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Fuel Mileage

>
> 1. The differential or final drive gear ratio makes a big difference. The
> lower the ratio, the better the gas mileage. a 2.92 ratio will get much
> better mileage than a 4.10, but a 4.10 will burn the tires down to the rims.

One caveat here is if the ratio of the weight to the gear ratio is too
extremely high, i.e., 4800 lbs : 2.54 ratio, (tires figure in too)you
will be pushing your engine to run on it's accelleration circuit all the
time. Your mileage will be just as bad going to the other extreme, plus
you won't have any power. The more you drop that manifold vacuam, the
more your mileage will drop. If fuel mileage is your primary concern,
install a vacuam gauge, and drive by it. High vacuam = good mileage.

IMHO 4800 lbs : 3.31 ratio with a 28 inch tall tire will deliver about
the best economy from a V8 350 ci or over, a 460 can go as far down as
3.10. 3.50's work well for 300 L6's and 302's, and 3.73's for 240's.

No heat, just my .02. :-)
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 06:42:41 -0600
From: jpit

mail.cei.net
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Brakes grab

Have a 1965 F-100. It's a great truck but I can't seem to repair a
nagging problem. After sitting for a day a two, the brakes on the right
front side grab pretty bad.

Have replaced outer seals and checked everything and it seems to be o.k.

Before I can drive it, I have to back down the driveway several times
readjusting the brakes. Any suggestions?

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 07:28:49 -0800
From: "Steve Schmeckpeper"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Ear tuning

William Ballinger wrote-
>What you need is the right amount of timing at idle. Make sure you have
>your advance hooked up to a manifold vacuam source.

????????? I don't understand :^) Should I bypass my current setup and go
straight to the manifold?

I'm hooked up stock right now, with two dist vacuum ports located on carb.
One just above throttle plate and one just below. Both lines go to a vaccuum
switch located on the intake manifold next to the thermostat.The common side
of switch goes to diaphram on dist. When engine is cold with choke engaged
the dist sees the lower port. This advances the timing till the engine warms
up and the vaccuum switch communicates the diaphram to the upper port.
Thanks for the details on the adjustment procedure!! I'm going to give it a
try.
Smeck,
79 F100
FTE "Brain Trust"

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 08:54:29 -0500
From: "PmctBaker"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - engine oil leak origions

hey all,

im going to track down the oil leak in my 351w. other than the
obvious,(valve covers, oil sending unit, timing cover, oil filter, and pan,
front and rear seals), where else has anyone found leaks at?
im a firm believer in keeping the fluids in the motor and trans. the leak
on mine is coming from the valve covers, I THINK.
im going to borrow the neighbors pressure washer, and decrud the motor
first. then the hunt is on!

on a sad note, my neighbor had his 83 van catch fire last night. its toast!
backfired thru the carb. he is not the brightest guy, and when I asked him
why didn't he just suck the flames back thru the carb. he said "What?" how
he got to 40yrs old is still a mystery.
I put a fire exting. in my truck 2 weeks ago, fearing that might happen to
me too some day. strange, very strange.

mike baker
pmbaker

your-net.com

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 08:06:42 -0600
From: John Strauss
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 2 types of grilles for 1965 trucks?

>Hi all,
>
>I asked a little while ago about the front of a F-100 from 1965, maybe I
>didn't explain what I meant so others could understand it.
>
>Here it comes:
>
>This truck has one grille
>http://www.ford-trucks.com/pictorial/big/1965_f100.html
>
>And this truck has a different grille
>http://www.ford-trucks.com/pictorial/big/1965_f100_7.html
>
>Can anyone enlighten me in this matter.
>
Bill, it's very simple to me. The second one IS a 1966 grille. The truck
can be a '65 all it wants, but that is not a 1965 grille. The grilles are
interchangeable as far as bolt-up is concerned.
_
_| ~~. John Strauss
\, *_} jstrauss

inetport.com
\( Texas Fight!

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 08:11:27 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - changing round headlights to square

>The bracket that the 78 uses is round, so I would assume that you would
>have to change it for the square ones. I don't see how you could mount a
>square light in this round bracket...

Is that kinda like a square peg in a round hole ?

Anyway I should look at my truck and see if I can figure out what all was
done on the swap, the guy who had it before me did the actual swap, so I'm
not sure what all was involved, but I do have a 73 Cab with a 79 grille in
it, so I know it can be done ...

Check the links on the bottom for pics if you like.

Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 08:14:56 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: '70 hubcaps

>FYI- Ford *never* ever offered hub caps for 4x4's until sometime after
>1972. I am unsure of the year they actually started putting them on. My
>earliest recollection was a 79 F-150 4x4 which was bought by my family with
>plain jane ugly steel hub caps.

Well I don't really remember the trucks new, but I've seen lots of the
factory brochures and I'm fairly sure the 73s came out with the full wheel
covers, though it may have been 74, at any rate it was early in the 73-79
range. Any wheelcover for a 4x4 15" rim should fit ... some better than
others I would imagine, but if you are really lookin and don't care about
stock, get something you like, you'll be much happier with the truck then.

Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 09:16:09 -0500
From: Rob Long
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - engine oil leak origions

Ok Mike,
I'm not that mechanically inclined.... what do you mean by sucking the
flames back through the carb.? I have an 83 c

%^y land yacht that
backfired in the carb. but didn't catch fire.

- --
Rob

mailto:rob_long

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1979 F150 Custom 351M C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!!!

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 08:23:29 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Brakes grab

>Have a 1965 F-100. It's a great truck but I can't seem to repair a
>nagging problem. After sitting for a day a two, the brakes on the right
>front side grab pretty bad.
>
>Have replaced outer seals and checked everything and it seems to be o.k.
>
>Before I can drive it, I have to back down the driveway several times
>readjusting the brakes. Any suggestions?
>
Have you checked the wheel cylinders ? Also look at the inside of the
backing plates (both sides) and see if there is any sign of brake fluid
running down them, its possible that you are getting a little fluid on the
left side, so the right brakes work and the left ones don't. Another
possibility is sticking wheel cylinders, they don't go on right away, then
when you get a certain force on them ... bang, they pop into where they
should be ...

When was the last time you replaced them ? And drove the truck regularly ?
Our 69 Stang has a similar problem for the first few miles, then it will
be fine (just hang on to the wheel on the way down the driveway!) Its
always traced back to the wheel cylinder.

Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 09:25:06 -0500 (EST)
From: "Sean O'Malley"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Gas prices - OUCHHEEE!!!!

> I just paid 87 cents US for a gallon of Amoco 87 octane.....where are
> you??? Paying 5 bucks per gallon is unheard of??

In the US it's unheard of, but it's pretty common across the Atlantic.
When I was in Istanbul last December, gas was around $6 per gallon,
if I was doing the math right.

- --sean
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 08:25:10 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - engine oil leak origions

>I'm not that mechanically inclined.... what do you mean by sucking the
>flames back through the carb.? I have an 83 c

%^y land yacht that
>backfired in the carb. but didn't catch fire.
>
If when it backfires you nail the gas to keep the vehicle running you can
pull the flames back down the carb so they don't catch the air filter on
fire, at least that's my understanding. Unfortunately dad did that once he
says and caught the carb on fire (everything was fine, he had the a/f off
so a garden hose put it out :) ! Just be sure it stays runnin when you hit
the gas or you could be in trouble I would guess ...

Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 08:24:44 -0600
From: Don Yerhot
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Gas prices - OUCHHEEE!!!!

Don't know where you guys live, but regular unleaded up here in
Minnesota just went up to $1.09. It sounds like it may go a lot higher
because OPEC is cutting production back and raising their prices. Looks
like I'm going to have to get my overdrive tranny installed, currently
running 4:10's.

DonY
65F250-351W-435NP

a
suburban that holds 42 gallons

jgrant>>

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 09:29:55 EST
From: SMOKEY5209

aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 360/390 pistons

I am in the process of restoring a F 1970 100 with a 360. All this talk lately
about pistons prompted me to tear mine own. And much to my surprise I find 5
pistons marked 360 and 3 marked 390 4 V. The engine ha never been torn down
before I know this as a fact. My question is do I buy all 360 pistons now or
can I use the pistons that came out. Are the connecting rods on the 390
pistons going to be different from the ones on the 360 pistons? I don't want
to mix them up when I change the wrist pins if they are.
I really need some input and in the mean time I guess I better check the crank
for markings.

Also I am still looking for a wiring diagram for my 1970 F100.
Thanks to everyone in advance
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 09:41:43 -0500
From: Rob Long
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Gas prices - OUCHHEEE!!!!

I'm in Ohio.... paying around $.99/gal for regular. $5 .... dang!

- --
Rob

mailto:rob_long

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> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Gas prices - OUCHHEEE!!!!
> Date: 23. mars 1999 04:23
>
> >If you had US $ 5 / gallon gas price and wanted to drive a V8 you'd just
do
> >the same.
>
> I just paid 87 cents US for a gallon of Amoco 87 octane.....where are
> you??? Paying 5 bucks per gallon is unheard of??
>
> Stu
> Nuke GM!
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/stu
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 10:06:20 -0500
From: "Larry Coffman"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - brakes grab

I have the same thing on my 66 f-100, If I pump the brakes hard at least
once before i take off it doesnt seem to grab untill it has sat overnight.

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 10:17:24 -0500
From: Tony Marino
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - changing round headlights to square

>The bracket that the 78 uses is round, so I would assume that you would
>have to change it for the square ones. I don't see how you could mount a
>square light in this round bracket...

He he he-- Actually, You can!! The square headlight cups still have a
round swivel back to them that allows them to be used in the same cup
receivers.

Tony
tony

pscico.com
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>Brad
>78 F150 4X4 429
>
>The two best times to go fishing are when it is raining, and when it is
>not...
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 07:49:19 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 4x4 conversion

cannandale

netpointe.com wrote:

> ive been looking hard at a '79 supercab f250 with a descent 460, and i was
> wondering how hard it would be to convert it to a 4x4 if i did get it. I
> bought a wrecked (rolled) '78 F250 with no engine, but a np205 and c6. all
> the running gear is in great shape. im only wanting the truck to handle
> 33's, so i know that not much of a lift will have to be installed. just in
> general, what am i getting in to??
>
> cannandale
> '78 F250 4x4, 460
> '78 F250 4x4 (sort-of)

The thing to do is make sure the rolled frame and running gear is in good
shape and usable. Then after that move the 79 cab over to the 4x4 frame.
Oops you said supercab. What kind of suspension does the supercab use? If it
is a leaf spring suspension you might be able to get away with just swapping
in the front end, tranny and t-case combo. That is if the c6 was behind a
351m-or 400. If the supercab uses coil springs in the front you will have to
change out the front crossmembers from the 78 4x.
- --
Don Grossman
duckdon

pacific.net

99 Contour SE Sport
63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings.

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:17:39 EST
From: REvans8341

aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - VIN request for 72 F-100

Thanks to Art, I was able to solve my carb and electrical probs. Now
I'm trying to determine what size engine came with my 72 F-100 when it was
built. The VIN is F1GRN, then the 5 digit production number. Does anyone
know if this series of letters and numbers denotes the original engine size?
I know that F1 stands for F-100, but that's all I know. Any help would be
appreciated.
Bob
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:49:50 -0500
From: Ted Wnorowski
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - VIN request for 72 F-100

The G= 302ci V-8
R= born in San Jose
N= part of the serial #

Hope this helps,
Ted Wnorowski
Bellevue,OH

REvans8341

aol.com wrote:

> Thanks to Art, I was able to solve my carb and electrical probs. Now
> I'm trying to determine what size engine came with my 72 F-100 when it was
> built. The VIN is F1GRN, then the 5 digit production number. Does anyone
> know if this series of letters and numbers denotes the original engine size?
> I know that F1 stands for F-100, but that's all I know. Any help would be
> appreciated.
> Bob
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 09:04:37 -0800
From: Vogt Family
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 352 versus 390

On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, William S Hart wrote:
> >3. Under inflated tires will ruin your gas mileage quick.
> >
> AMEN! I need to set mine again, they were just at 32 or something when
> Sears put them on, fine for the rear, but not for the 360 in the front!

I find this is a trade off between mileage, handling, and tire wear.
With my old truck and mud tires, I ran 25 all the way around: it made
for even wear and also was nice to go wheeling on the spur of the
moment. With this highway truck I now have, I run 47 front (diesel) and
65 rear. The 47 is a correction of the specified 51 because the tires I
have are wider, but about the same diameter. The 65 rear is the max
pressure, it actually specifies 80 I think for stock tires. So far the
rears wear like iron, and ride like it too, even empty, but the fronts
are getting eaten by the loose bushings I am attempting to replace. Got
to get back to work now. Oh yeah, 16-17 mpg.

Birken
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 09:24:53 -0800
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Gas prices - OUCHHEEE!!!!

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Someone (sorry) wrote:
>If you had US $ 5 / gallon gas price and wanted to drive a V8 you'd just do
>the same.
Stu Replied:
I just paid 87 cents US for a gallon of Amoco 87 octane.....where are
you??? Paying 5 bucks per gallon is unheard of??

My 2 cents:
Probably in Europe. We on the North American continent enjoy relatively
cheap gas compared to the rest of the world. In my former work life as an
corporate instructor in California (ask me if I miss THAT state!) I had
students from literaly all over the world. In comparing notes with my
European and Asian students this seems to be about right for a gallon of gas
(have to convert from liters and another currency). On further inspection
it gets worse (maybe better). Most of the difference seems to be the
difference in TAXES. Probably the price they pay for greater population
density and maybe better roads (Autobahn?).

Tom H.
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 09:33:12 -0800
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: (was blank now getting parts from the dealer)

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Tom , I am willing to do all of those things to find a part I need except
this one!!!

>2. Get cozy with the parts guy at the dealership you want to deal
>with.
Unless th parts guy is a gal ! LOL !
Besides my wife would get jealous in either case . LOL
Thanks for the info .
Rollie.
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My reply:
You do what you have to. ;0) And you call yourself a Ford Truck Enthusiast?

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:58:45 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: 352 versus 390

>I find this is a trade off between mileage, handling, and tire wear.

True ...

>With my old truck and mud tires, I ran 25 all the way around: it made
>for even wear and also was nice to go wheeling on the spur of the
>moment.

This didn't wear the outsides of the tires ? were they extremely wide on
the rims or something ? Also is that why you lowered from 51 to 47 on the
diesel ? Seems like at 25 your handling would suck ... thanks I like my
truck to turn when the wheels do though :)

With this highway truck I now have, I run 47 front (diesel) and
>65 rear. The 47 is a correction of the specified 51 because the tires I
>have are wider, but about the same diameter. The 65 rear is the max
>pressure, it actually specifies 80 I think for stock tires. So far the
>rears wear like iron, and ride like it too, even empty,

You mean especially empty right ? It would smooth out as weight was added,
subtracted there will be nothing (except fuel and the box) to increase the
pressure on the tires, only then will you get sidewall flex and some "give"
in the tires ...

Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 13:09:15 -0500
From: William A Whited
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Fuel pump or Carb Problems

Finally got the 77 running okay. The problem I am
having now is when going up hills she spits and
sputters like she isn't getting enough fuel. On level
ground fine no problems. I know she has been sitting
awhile, maybe the gas she had in the tank wasn't the
greatest, I have changed the fuel filter already.
Could it be the fuel pump? Or something else?
Suggestions? TIA

- --
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74 F100 RANGER SUPERCAB 390
77 F100 CUSTOM FLAIRSIDE 302
79 F100 EXPLORER SUPERCAB 302 (PARTS TRUCK)
"IT DON'T GTMO BETTER THEN THIS, SEMPER FI"

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 12:29:45 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Fuel pump or Carb Problems

>Finally got the 77 running okay. The problem I am
>having now is when going up hills she spits and
>sputters like she isn't getting enough fuel. On level
>ground fine no problems.

Sounds like a float problem, check to be sure they operate smoothly and are
adjusted properly ... might be shellac'ed to the point they aren't working
right, only shows up when you tilt the carb ...

I know she has been sitting
>awhile, maybe the gas she had in the tank wasn't the
>greatest, I have changed the fuel filter already.
>Could it be the fuel pump?

Could be fuel pump, but if she's starting herself even on an emptyish
tank,then I'd lean towards the carb ...

Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 13:34:40 -0500
From: am14

daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Gas prices

Stu writes: >>Paying 5 bucks per gallon is unheard of??

Not if you cross one of the borders into neighboring countries, or cross the
pond into one of the European countries. Gas was over $2/gal in Germany in '55
when I went over there. I was used to $0.17/gal here in the good old US of A.
Kinda like "sticker shock".

We do have cheap gas compared to the rest of the world except for the oil rich
OPEC countries.

Azie

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 13:48:24 -0500
From: am14

daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Primary sizes

Dennis writes: >>The primaries on the average 4 barrel are smaller than the 2
barrel, correct?

Correct!!!!!...

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:55:38 -0800
From: Eric Sneed
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Gas prices - OUCHHEEE!!!!

O.K. I will Ask, do you miss California?

ES in sunny and warm California

> -----Original Message-----
> From:Hogan, Tom [SMTP:Tom.Hogan

kla-tencor.com]
> Sent:Tuesday, March 23, 1999 9:25 AM
> To:'61-79-list

ford-trucks.com'
> Subject:FTE 61-79 - Gas prices - OUCHHEEE!!!!
>
> ------------------------------
> Someone (sorry) wrote:
> >If you had US $ 5 / gallon gas price and wanted to drive a V8 you'd
> just do
> >the same.
> Stu Replied:
> I just paid 87 cents US for a gallon of Amoco 87 octane.....where are
> you??? Paying 5 bucks per gallon is unheard of??
>
> My 2 cents:
> Probably in Europe. We on the North American continent enjoy
> relatively
> cheap gas compared to the rest of the world. In my former work life
> as an
> corporate instructor in California (ask me if I miss THAT state!) I
> had
> students from literaly all over the world. In comparing notes with my
> European and Asian students this seems to be about right for a gallon
> of gas
> (have to convert from liters and another currency). On further
> inspection
> it gets worse (maybe better). Most of the difference seems to be the
> difference in TAXES. Probably the price they pay for greater
> population
> density and maybe better roads (Autobahn?).
>
> Tom H.
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:03:56 -0600
From: John Strauss
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Off topic-1999 Mustang GT

>Well gang, I had to take my mind off of the shock talk, I am still
>confused though, so I went down to the Ford dealer and drove the Mustang
>GT. Man I was impressed, but I am easily impressed by shiny things so I
>need some opinions. It was fast, 260HP, and it sounded great. I had to
>force myself out of there before buying it. The sticker price was only
>$23,000. My Pontiac just went off its warranty so I am looking for a
>new car anyways. Any opinions good or bad about the Mustang GT? I know
>some people don't like the off-topic stuff, but my Bronco needs a new
>playmate and in some weird way this would be Bronco related.
>
Since you asked, I will just give you my opinion. I like the previous
body-style better. I like the Mustang and would LOVE to replace my wife's
POS BMW with one if she would let me. If I was in that position, I would
try to find a really nice '96 Cobra so that I could get a 302 instead of
the 4.6L (or was it '95?).

If you gotta have a NEW one, perhaps look into the '99 Cobra, it will be
the first Mustang to have IRS. Costs about $28K, but it puts you above all
the high school punks in GTs.
_
_| ~~. John Strauss
\, *_} jstrauss

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 15:02:45 -0500
From: Rob Long
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79-list - ...

The list is slow today...

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Rob

mailto:rob_long

bigfoot.com

Life is a waste of time, time is a waste of
life, so get wasted all of
the time and have the time of your life.
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:15:12 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Off topic-1999 Mustang GT

A>>confused though, so I went down to the Ford dealer and drove the Mustang
>>GT. Man I was impressed, but I am easily impressed by shiny things so I
>>need some opinions. It was fast, 260HP, and it sounded great. I had to
>>force myself out of there before buying it. The sticker price was only
>>$23,000. My Pontiac just went off its warranty so I am looking for a
>POS BMW with one if she would let me. If I was in that position, I would
>try to find a really nice '96 Cobra so that I could get a 302 instead of
>the 4.6L (or was it '95?).
>
It would be a 95, and there is one for sale down the street if you're
interested ... Black w/leather ... I know there's a lot to be said for the
302's, but take a spinin the 4.6's sometime, you'd be amazed, especially
the new ones ...

>If you gotta have a NEW one, perhaps look into the '99 Cobra, it will be
>the first Mustang to have IRS. Costs about $28K, but it puts you above all
>the high school punks in GTs.
>

Hey I resemble that remark! I'm not a high school punk (haven't been for
years), but I drive a GT. IT JUST CAME OUT OF STORAGE!!!!! :) not that
I'm excited or anything, just drivin the truck (Truck content!) has gotten
tiring with the old motor in it and it needing so much, its nice to be able
to work on it and not have to have it buttoned up in a couple of hours.

The new modular motors in those cars really make them fly. The 302s do
quite well also and provide a few more aftermarket parts, but it doesn't
look like the 302 is going to be alive much longer, so it might be a good
opportunity to get in on the lower levels of the 4.6 so that you will have
a better handle on it in the future, if Ford continues this way ... I had a
first year 302 GT (82), and now a first year 4.6 GT (96), the differences
are amazing, the 5.0 was a balanced engine, so it ran well, idled smooth
and pulled hard, but it was really peaky compared with the 4.6, the 4.6 has
high torque and hp peaks (as opposed to the split on the 5.0), so it pulls
hard and once it starts there's not much stoppin it. The 4.6 also likes to
rev ... 5000 is no big deal in these, and it doesn't sound like one when
you listen to the motor either ... both have their pro's and con's, but
both are good solid cars with quirks like everything else.

If you want to know anything offline or from other sources, check out
www.corral.net and www.mustangworld.com they have bbs systems that let you
post questions and you can get a lot of feedback, or just scan down the
posts you will glean tons of info. Also feel free to email me, I can
probably at least point you in the right direction for the info you're after.

I think Dave R here even admitted to having a 95 cobra ... Dave ? How's
things out there ?

Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:20:45 -0500
From: Marc Stine
Subject: FTE 61-79 - tie rod separation

This might sound like a pretty stupid question but since I didn't have
an answer I thought you guys might be able to help. What's the easiest
way to get the Tierod ends off of the steering knuckle of the spindle?
I managed to get the cotter pins out of the bolt (how the heck I did
that without them snapping or breaking I'm not sure), anyhow, I can't
figure how to get the nut off of the bolt because it just keeps spinning
and I can't get it too break loose. I'm sure there's an easy way to get
this to work but I haven't worked at it long enough to figure it out.

Thanks,
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:26:20 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - tie rod separation

>This might sound like a pretty stupid question but since I didn't have
>an answer I thought you guys might be able to help. What's the easiest
>way to get the Tierod ends off of the steering knuckle of the spindle?
>I managed to get the cotter pins out of the bolt (how the heck I did
>that without them snapping or breaking I'm not sure), anyhow, I can't
>figure how to get the nut off of the bolt because it just keeps spinning
>and I can't get it too break loose. I'm sure there's an easy way to get
>this to work but I haven't worked at it long enough to figure it out.
>
No such thing as a stupid question, this one just has me baffled as to its
cause though ...

The question I have, is how did it start spinning? The nut is supposed to
pull a tapered shaft into the knuckle and seat it so it can't slip (the
whole point of a tie rod is to hold the wheels parallell after all right?),
so by having the thing spin in there, that means the shaft was probably too
small and wasn't seated right.

Fix:
Probably the best thing will be to soak it in penetrating oil for a while,
also tapping on the bolt/nut may help to loosen things up a bit. Maybe
tapping the tie-rod in farther would wedge it up tight enough to hold it?
otherwhise a nut splitter or you may end up just cutting the old one off ...

Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 13:28:18 -0700
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Finding parts

>From: Rollie H Hunt
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Green Sales Co.
>
>Give some more info on how to find a dealer that does this .

Yo Rollie:

There is a web site where you can search for parts by number. I know a lot of
dealers use this web site to find parts they don't have. The URL is:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.partsvoice.com/

You can search for either current or obsolete stuff. You can search for newer
parts that replaced (superceded) obsolete items or you can search for the
original item.

The only trick is you have to have an exact part number. Hopefully you can find
a local dealer w/ cooperative enough people to at least give you a part number.

Dave R. (M-block devotee)

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:47:25 -0500
From: Marc Stine
Subject: FTE 61-79 - tuning a steering box?

Yesterday I replaced the steering box on my 79 f150, the old one was
pretty well shot, and I couldn't find a used one that worked well, so I
ended up getting a new one. I got it mounted up, put new fluid in and
tried to work it through then centered it and put the pitman arm back
on. Do I need to do anything else before hooking up the steering
linkage and going for a drive?

Marc
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 22:40:57 +0100
From: "Bill Brox"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Gas prices - OUCHHEEE!!!!

> (have to convert from liters and another currency). On further
inspection
> it gets worse (maybe better). Most of the difference seems to be the
> difference in TAXES. Probably the price they pay for greater population
> density and maybe better roads (Autobahn?).
>
> Tom H.

In our currency we pay Norwegian kroner 9 per liter gas, where about 7 of
those are taxes.....

Norway are the second largest oil exporting country in the world, only
Saudi Arabia sells more. So, this makes it hard for us to understand.

Then, I must admit, when you see Norway, and the long coast, with all the
mountains and islands, and low population, only 4.4 million or so, it is
understandable that we have an expensive country to live in. Roads are
tough to build. In other countries they use wheel or track equipment to
build roads, here we use dynamite to remove the mountains, and concrete to
build bridges.

Bill

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 22:52:13 +0100
From: "Bill Brox"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Gas prices - OUCHHEEE!!!!

Don't get overdrive because Norway has high gas prices, we've always had
it....

Bill
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> From: Don Yerhot
> To: 61-79-list-digest
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Gas prices - OUCHHEEE!!!!
> Date: 23. mars 1999 15:24
>
> Don't know where you guys live, but regular unleaded up here in
> Minnesota just went up to $1.09. It sounds like it may go a lot higher
> because OPEC is cutting production back and raising their prices. Looks
> like I'm going to have to get my overdrive tranny installed, currently
> running 4:10's.
>
> DonY
> 65F250-351W-435NP
>
>
> a
> suburban that holds 42 gallons
>
> jgrant>>
>
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 15:15:45 -0800 (PST)
From: brian michael logan
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Gas prices - OUCHHEEE!!!!

> >
> > a
> > suburban that holds 42 gallons
> >
> > jgrant>>

I'm packing up the Fords and moving to wherever the gas is $0.69!

Up here on the North Coast of Calif..... $1.42/gal for 87 octane.

I'm running the skinny stock wheels and tires until the price of gas goes
down.

_____________________________________________________________________________
B r i a n M i c h a e l L o g a n

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 10:03:58 -0500
From: James Oxley
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - changing round headlights to square

William S Hart wrote:
>
> >The bracket that the 78 uses is round, so I would assume that you would
> >have to change it for the square ones. I don't see how you could mount a
> >square light in this round bracket...
>
> Is that kinda like a square peg in a round hole ?
>
> Anyway I should look at my truck and see if I can figure out what all was
> done on the swap, the guy who had it before me did the actual swap, so I'm
> not sure what all was involved, but I do have a 73 Cab with a 79 grille in
> it, so I know it can be done ...
>

I did the round to square swap. You need the headlight mount bracket,
the bulbs, the metal headlight holder and trim bezel.

OX
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 09:45:13 -0500
From: James Oxley
Subject: FTE 61-79 - EVAP stuff (what year did it start)

> >
> > Ox the local emissions test center should be able to provide that.
> >
> > My 78 registered in VA is required to have an evap canister, EGR, PCV,
> > pre-heater hose, fresh air intake, and leak free exhaust.
> >
>
> I don't know about that EVAP stuff. My 78 had no Evap stuff. No
> fittings on the tank, no line from the tank. I'm almost positive my 78
> shop manual shows no EVAP stuff.

Well, as soon as I get my whole leg out of my mouth, I'll tell ya what
I found. My 78 shop manual does say that all 78 trucks had EVAP
canister. I checked my Bronc. No port on top of tank for EVAP line, no
EVAP line on frame. No clips that would have held EVAP line. My Bronc
was completley stock when I got it. Never had an EVAP canister. Do
Bronco gas tanks fit in pickups or vans. If not, where did this gas tank
come from with no EVAP fitting on the top.

I guess I'm going to be fighting with the smog man next year when they
start looking for my EVAP stuff. That means I have to buy a new tank
too. What a pain in the butt!! Any other 78 owners out there that have
EVAP stuff. Do 77 Bronco's/pickups/vans have EVAP stuff.

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 16:27:25 -0800
From: "Brandt, Chris"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - EVAP stuff (what year did it start)

I have a 1 owner (my Dad ) 78 with no EVAP. Also had a 79 with no EVAP, the
79 was a Canadian (F150) truck though. My 78 is a US truck but has the 8400#
GVW however..... Have seen a 77 Bronco with full EVAP.....Just can't be sure
about anything.

CB

> -----Original Message-----
> From:James Oxley [SMTP:luxjo

thecore.com]
> Sent:Tuesday, March 23, 1999 3:45 PM
> To:61-79-list

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> Subject:FTE 61-79 - EVAP stuff (what year did it start)
>
> > >
> > > Ox the local emissions test center should be able to provide that.
> > >
> > > My 78 registered in VA is required to have an evap canister, EGR,
> PCV,
> > > pre-heater hose, fresh air intake, and leak free exhaust.
> > >
> >
> > I don't know about that EVAP stuff. My 78 had no Evap stuff. No
> > fittings on the tank, no line from the tank. I'm almost positive my 78
> > shop manual shows no EVAP stuff.
>
> Well, as soon as I get my whole leg out of my mouth, I'll tell ya what
> I found. My 78 shop manual does say that all 78 trucks had EVAP
> canister. I checked my Bronc. No port on top of tank for EVAP line, no
> EVAP line on frame. No clips that would have held EVAP line. My Bronc
> was completley stock when I got it. Never had an EVAP canister. Do
> Bronco gas tanks fit in pickups or vans. If not, where did this gas tank
> come from with no EVAP fitting on the top.
>
> I guess I'm going to be fighting with the smog man next year when they
> start looking for my EVAP stuff. That means I have to buy a new tank
> too. What a pain in the butt!! Any other 78 owners out there that have
> EVAP stuff. Do 77 Bronco's/pickups/vans have EVAP stuff.
>
> OX
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 19:33:59 EST
From: TBeeee

aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - tie rod separation

In a message dated 3/23/99 3:23:17 PM Eastern Standard Time,
mstine

eagle.ycp.edu writes:

> I can't
> figure how to get the nut off of the bolt because it just keeps spinning
> and I can't get it too break loose. I'm sure there's an easy way to get
> this to work but I haven't worked at it long enough to figure it out.
I like to use a small hydraulic jack. Remove the grease fitting on the tie
rod. Put the jack under the tie rod end and lift just enough so it puts
slight pressure on the tie-rod end to keep it from spinning in the spindle
socket while you remove the nut. When you remove it be sure to inspect the
concentricity of the spindle socket. The fact that your end is spinning
suggests that the hole may be elongated or it could mean the tie-rod end is
improper for the application. I hope this helps.

~~Thom B~~
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 18:12:59 -0700
From: "bertolin"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: grill for 1965

Bill, I have a 1965 with a grill like the one playing in the snow. The other
truck appears to have a 1966 grill although I think this grill may have been
used in the later months of 1965. My brother has a 1965 parts truck with the
later grill too. My truck was "born" in June of 1965. Hope this helps.
Roberta with 1965 custom cab (can see it's picture in the pictorial).

> I asked a little while ago about the front of a F-100 from 1965, maybe I
> didn't explain what I meant so others could understand it. Here it comes:

> This truck has one grille
> http://www.ford-trucks.com/pictorial/big/1965_f100.html
>
> And this truck has a different grille
> http://www.ford-trucks.com/pictorial/big/1965_f100_7.html
> Can anyone enlighten me in this matter. Bill Brox

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 19:43:58 -0600
From: Timothy Lewis
Subject: FTE 61-79 - vacuum

Thanks for the reply, Tim in Anchorage. I don't really want her to go
fast, just have a little pep. My dad bought headers for my truck from
Clifford Research, he gets a catalog and says their kinda pricey. Any
way, vacuum, should you have some at idle or when you give it gas? I
don't have any at idle and only 7lbs when I give it some juice. Any
suggestions?
Thanks, Spaz

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 18:36:55 -0800 (PST)
From: JP Morgon
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Nuke the Arabs and take their oil! (was Gas Prices)

Just and Idea :)
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 18:42:32 -0800 (PST)
From: JP Morgon
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Ford on C#*y

Soon as I have the money I wil stick it to all those Ford Street Rod
owners with Chebys in em. I'm seriously cosidering building a 37 Chevy
or so and slipping a 351W in it. Or better yet get rid of the 454 I'm
building for my Chevelle and build a 512 stroker 460 ,piss all those
hard core Chevy guys off!

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 18:44:32 -0800 (PST)
From: JP Morgon
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - VIN request for 72 F-100

Call the ford 800 number and ask them for info on it such as options and
date produced. I got one for my 69 F100 today. Looks like she will be
having a 30th birthday party in August, hopefully its painted and the
engine in by then.

_________________________________________________________
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 23:24:49 -0500
From: Walter Ford
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 2WD vs. 4WD Cabs

I am in the process of finishing my 78 F-150 4x4. I have just begun to
replace the sheet metal in the cab (cab corners, floors, etc..) and I came
across a 77 F-100 2WD with a cab that looks like it is alot more solid
than mine. Does the 2WD version of the cab have the cut-out and a plate
like the 4x4 does, or would I hvae to cut the floor out to get the shifter
through? If anyone can help me here, it would be really appreciated, as I
would like to steal up that cab before anyone else does. Thanks in advance

Walter
78 F-150
6" Lift 36" Super Swampers
Will Run Soon (I hope)

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 23:36:59 EST
From: TBeeee

aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 2WD vs. 4WD Cabs

In a message dated 3/23/99 11:30:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,
lawnmark

mindspring.com writes:

> Does the 2WD version of the cab have the cut-out and a plate
> like the 4x4 does, or would I hvae to cut the floor out to get the shifter
> through?
It all depends on whether the 2wd has a 4-spd Manual Trans or not. If so it
will already have the floor pan cut-out. That's good for you :-) If not you
can still use the cab by cutting the floor yourself. The pattern is already
stamped in from the factory. You would need to use the Transmission cover you
already have in either case because it has the slot for the transfer case
shifter which the 2WD cover wouldn't have.

Hope this helps.

~~Thom B~~
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 00:04:49 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Spamming the lists

Just wanted everyone to know that before they buy anything
from Superior Carburators that this company thinks its ok
to spam our mailing lists. As usual, our list filters
caught the spam. I've cc'd the spammer if anyone else
wants to discuss this with the spammer.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 00:51:15 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Updated charter and FAQ

Hi gang,

The FAQ and charter have been updated to duplicate information
found elsewhere on the site (i.e., the link at the bottom of
the charter). This update was done in order to clarify the
position of Ford Truck Enthusiasts concerning non-Ford power
plants in Ford trucks.

During the Summer/Fall of 1998, several people on the "core"....

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