61-79-list-digest Tuesday, March 23 1999 Volume 03 : Number 098



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Ear tuning
Re: FTE 61-79 - Ford on ch*y chassis
FTE 61-79 - Tuning by ear
FTE 61-79 - Air Cleaner full of Oil
FTE 61-79 - Ignition Problem
FTE 61-79 - Steering wheel install..HELP
Re: FTE 61-79 - 352 versus 390
Re: FTE 61-79 - 352 versus 390
RE: FTE 61-79 - Steering wheel install..HELP
FTE 61-79 - Ford Brakes
Re: FTE 61-79 - Ford Brakes
FTE 61-79 - 78 F250 460 7900 GVW CA Emissions
FTE 61-79 - FS '59 Please Forward
Re: FTE 61-79 - 352 versus 390
FTE 61-79 - Calling Mr. Grant
FTE 61-79 - Bushing Difference
Re: FTE 61-79 - 352 versus 390
FTE 61-79 - Re: FTE 61-79 F-100 1965
FTE 61-79 - Ignition Problem
FTE 61-79 - I just want to ogle your bumper.
FTE 61-79 - HI PERF Cam degreeing
FTE 61-79 - 352 versus 390
Re: FTE 61-79 - 352 versus 390
Re: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 F-100 1965
Re: FTE 61-79 - 352 versus 390
Re: FTE 61-79 - HI PERF Cam degreeing
Re: FTE 61-79 - 352 versus 390
Re: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 F-100 1965
[none]
FTE 61-79 - Cab Swap
FTE 61-79 - Gas tanks
Re: FTE 61-79 - HI PERF Cam degreeing
Re: FTE 61-79 - changing round headlights to square
Re: FTE 61-79 - Ford on ch*y chassis
FTE 61-79 - Gas prices - OUCHHEEE!!!!
Re: FTE 61-79 - Bushing Difference
FTE 61-79 - Re:
FTE 61-79 - Re: '70 hubcaps
FTE 61-79 - 4x4 conversion
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: '70 hubcaps
Re: FTE 61-79 - 352 versus 390
Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 F250 460 7900 GVW CA Emissions
Re: FTE 61-79 - Calling Mr. Grant
FTE 61-79 - Re:
Re: FTE 61-79 - Gas prices - OUCHHEEE!!!!
FTE 61-79 - Grill ID
FTE 61-79 - Ford on C#*y

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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 06:00:09 -0600
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Ear tuning

>
> Have you ever found an electronic timing light that could give a more
> precise timing than your ear ?


A timing light is great for measuring where to begin, and where you end
up, but I always end up using the vacuam gauge then driving it and
bumping the distributor around. Then when I figure out what it wants to
run, I measure it with the light and write it down. It usually takes a
week or so to get it just right on a streeter, about 10 passes or laps
around the track for a racer.

If the engine has everything stock then you can use the factory specs,
but a cam swap changes everything. Alot of times when the optional
keyways are used you end up with some wild readings on the balancer.
Afer nailing it down, you can then time it with a light at every tune
thereafter.
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 04:10:25 -0800
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Ford on ch*y chassis

From: Lorin Missall
>Is it possible without to many modifications to put a Ford body on a
ch*y chassis.

No it is not possible to put a '76 Ford truck body on a '78 Chevy
truck chassis without making many modifications to both. Also if you
live in a state that regulates emissions, you'll have a lot of hassles
getting it to pass smog. You'd have a lot of explaining to do at the DMV
as to the make, model and year of the truck with the official VIN
located on the frame.

There are many suspension modifications you can do to your Ford
chassis that you may be better off trying. Not to mention it is
considered blasphemy in this crowd to bastardize a Ford. I don't agree
with Darrell Duggan that a 37 Ford Coupe and a 350 makes for a good
combo. The most I'd bend is it wouldn't punishable by death to put a
Delco alternator in a Ford . I still wouldn't brag about it here if I
did it. :)

Later!

Deacon
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 06:21:24 -0600
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Tuning by ear

> and make it suck down the gas under cruise, as you are setting it for
> initial start-up timing. If you set it to where it doesn't drink gas
> you'll have too much timing at idle, and detonation under light load.
> "... too much timing at idle..." is that with functional mechanical and vacuum
> advances? I would be willing to sacrifice at little oomph for the best MPG. Most
> of my daily commute is spent at 60-70 MPH.

That would be with malfunctioning centrifugal weights, and enabled
vacuam advance. You'd have to have it (the dizzy)turned around there
pretty far to make up for stuck weights, then you lose the flexibility
of the graduated advance system.

> You lost me. I know how to measure manifold vacuum, and pull a measured
> vacuum on the distributor's vacuum advance. Do I set the distributor to the
> measured vacuum, with the distributor vacuum advance disabled?

Correct. The reading will reflect syncronicity of the exhaust pulse
tune to idle combustion events. What you want to do then is test it
under varying conditions for pinging. Pull the plugs after running a
few miles(let it cool down first) and if they aren't white, you should
be okay. Yeah, it's a lot of work, I know. But when you get it right
and write it all down you have the perfect tune-up specs for your
engine.

Another thing, on all Ford engines that use the 15426378 firing order,
keep #7 and #8 wires away from one another, crossfire is deadly for #8.
Go to the junkyard and see how many #8 cylinders on Fords you find blown
out. Very important.
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 06:25:51 -0600
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Air Cleaner full of Oil

>
> Help! I went to change the air filter on my '74 F100 with 360, and found
> the air cleaner full of oil. The puddle started at the crankcase breather
> element. I don't know much, but I know that's bad on the good/bad thing.
> Where do I start? (It runs fine, good oil pressure, etc)
> Thanks!

Replace that little sponge in your air cleaner, and put in a new PCV
valve for good measure, check the PCV vacuam hose for cracks too.
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 08:54:14 -0600 (CST)
From: bkirking bcm.tmc.edu
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Ignition Problem

>It will start and run only when the key is turned all the way on (starter
>position). When it is turned back to run, it will quit running.

I had this problem once after messing around with the firewall insulation.
I had a wire going to the fuse panel that wasn't reconnected all the way, pushed
back on and it worked fine.

Bryan Kirking
66 Step Side
352 4 speed
Houston, Texas


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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 10:02:00 -0500
From: Joe Delaurentis
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Steering wheel install..HELP

Group,

I am working on a 68 2wd truck that needs a new rag joint etc..I
pulled a 2 piece shaft with a rag joint from a 72 f-250 to install
in this 68 f-250 2wd..All went together well EXCEPT the 68 steering
wheel will not go on???The splines on the shaft look exact on both
shafts...Is there a Trick????I used a puller to remove it and that was
easy, I tried pushing it on then using the nut to force it on the rest
of the way and it feels like i'm going to break something(wheres
that impact wrench :)
ANybody see this problem????Could the splined shaft changed from 68 to
72??
Joe
68 4x4 390
68 4x2 360 Steering less
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 09:06:46 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 352 versus 390

>People says that the 352 4V use more gasoline (means lower mileage) than a
>390 2V, but how about a 352 2V used in the trucks ?
>
Well I don't know about the 352, but I've got a 360 that had a 2V on it and
now has a 4V ... with the 2V it got 12 in town, 12 on the highway, 12 under
a load, 12 unloaded ... one time I got down to 11.7, but that might have
been due to a 50mph headwind for over 2hours ...

I put the 4V on and am getting about the same, but only if I can keep my
foot out of it, since the fun factor went way up, the mileage went way down ...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 09:20:24 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 352 versus 390

>So, if a F-100 has bad mileage, around 15 or so I heave heard, it comes
>from the rear end gears maybe ? Or does it mean the trucks didn't have
>vacuum advance on the distributors ? Or other stuff ?
>
>> >People says that the 352 4V use more gasoline (means lower mileage) than
>a
>> >390 2V, but how about a 352 2V used in the trucks ?
>> >

Uhm, I would be exstatic (well static anyway) to get 15 from my truck ...
if you are running a V8, 2wd, 15 might obtainable, but if you've got a 4x4
with a good sized 8, I wouldn't expect that much from it unless I drove it
like ... well really gently ... (they say Old man on the mustang boards,
but don't want to offend anyone :)


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 09:35:28 -0600
From: "John MacNamara"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Steering wheel install..HELP

Thanks
John MacNamara

805 577 2536 wk
805 577 2768 fx
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ESN 495-2536
jmacnam nortelnetworks.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From:Joe Delaurentis [SMTP:shoman p3.net]
> Sent:Monday, March 22, 1999 7:02 AM
> To:61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject:FTE 61-79 - Steering wheel install..HELP
>
> Group,
>
> I am working on a 68 2wd truck that needs a new rag joint etc..I
> pulled a 2 piece shaft with a rag joint from a 72 f-250 to install
> in this 68 f-250 2wd..All went together well EXCEPT the 68 steering
> wheel will not go on???The splines on the shaft look exact on both
> shafts...Is there a Trick????I used a puller to remove it and that was
> easy, I tried pushing it on then using the nut to force it on the rest
> of the way and it feels like i'm going to break something(wheres
> that impact wrench :)
> ANybody see this problem????Could the splined shaft changed from 68 to
> 72??
> Joe
> 68 4x4 390
> 68 4x2 360 Steering less
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 09:39:11 -0700
From: "Richard Currit"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Ford Brakes

Just had to let you all know this. My left front brake was starting to =
grab a little bit so I figured I had better check it out. Started =
thinking about it and realized that I hadn't even pulled the hubs up front =
since the last time I rebuilt the brakes. This was in 1990 and over =
120,000 miles ago. Most of these miles were spent in the high Cascades =
and the Colorado Rockies. Realizing this kinda scared me, but they have =
always worked fine. Well, pulled the hubs and the brake shoes were =
fine!!!! In 120,000 miles they had lost 2/32nds of and inch from brand =
new. I am still in a state of total amazement. The grab was coming from =
a bad inner wheel bearing grease seal. So I replaced that and repacked =
the bearings, which were also still in great shape. On the passenger side =
the bearings were about to go so I replaced them, but the brake shoes were =
still in great shape. Amazing. Hmmmm, think I ride the compression down =
the hills more than most?

High Plains Richard
'72 F-100 w/Alaskan Camper

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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 10:52:30 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Ford Brakes

>Hmmmm, think I ride the compression down the hills more than most?
>
I've always found the older vehicles (without the OD) need a lot less brake
to get slowed down for things, this may attest to the shape of your brakes.
I know the Tempo we had (no OD on those) went 120,000 on the original
brake pads on the rear, dad said they weren't dead yet, but he'd figured
they had a glaze on them so he replaced them on principles...

I'd just thank my lucky stars they last that long and keep goin as long as
they are still stoppin ya. My left front also locks before the others, but
I think I'm switchin to Disks sometime, so the solution is just to not hit
the brakes that hard :)


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 08:25:17 -0800
From: "Aubrey Freemantle"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 78 F250 460 7900 GVW CA Emissions

I recently restored my 78 F250's 460 emissions systems (7900 GVW), to pass
CA inspections. I had to guess on some of the vacuum connections, as the
previous owner had removed everything. Vacuum diagram labels were not
supplied back in 78 so I reviewed the Mitchell manuals, calling the State
Inspectors office and checked the engine for it's missing calibration code
sticker (probably 8-66U). I was able to pass the smog test with the help of
a local mechanic, however I have a serious remaining open-throttle problem
whenever I hard accelerate while passing. Of note, when I get the truck
stopped but still in gear, I observe the carburator's main butterfly is
closed but the engine is still trying to accelerate hard. If I shut off the
engine and let the vacuum escape and restart the engine again, everything is
fine until the next time I accelerate hard.

I have been told this can be due to an EGR problem, however the valve passed
the basic EGR test as part of the smog test. Some thoughts I had are:
1. I have the vacuum lines hooked up wrong (Can somebody sketch their 78 CA
460 7900 GVW vacuum hookup for me?).
2. I used the wrong value of vacuum delay valve at the air cleaner (purple).
(What color is on yours?)
3. The EGR valve is bad, even though it passes the basic
movement-under-vacuum test.

Any and all suggestions welcome!!

Thanks.
Aubrey Freemantle

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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 09:19:22 -0800
From: "Jeff Carver"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FS '59 Please Forward

Please forward to the proper list. Thanks.

On my travels through Auburn CA, I have seen a '59
sitting for quite awhile. $800 sign appeared there
last week. Stopped, checked it out. Was supposed
to go to son, but he/wife got pregnant, so truck
is for sale. From what they say, it runs, the
owner wasn't there, sister was. Couldn't get hood
open, from peeking in it appeared to be a V8,
distributor in front. Short bed, style side.

Primer with surface rust showing through, interior
rough, said was undergoing restoration and have the
bits of chrome for it.

For those famialr with the area, it's a half mile
past Lumberjack, going towards Grass Valley, on the
right side, along with a few RV's.

Their number 530-295-1051, ask for JR or Dannette.

That's all I know. I'd be willing to check it out
for anybody at a distance. I need specifics as to
what to look for though. I don't know engines.

Jeff '64 F100 CrewCab






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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 18:50:55 +0100
From: "Bill Brox"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 352 versus 390

Thanks,

Do you have vacuum advance on your distributor ?

As to the old man thing,,,,, I often drive with a so called "locked foot"
on the trottle. Means if I want to drive a lot of miles on 1 gallon of gas,
I push the trottle in, and lock my foot there, no movement uphill, and no
movement downhill. That's when high torque engines are nice to have.

If you had US $ 5 / gallon gas price and wanted to drive a V8 you'd just do
the same.

By the way, you never said anything about what speed you had when you got
12 mpg.


Bill



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> From: William S Hart
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 352 versus 390
> Date: 22. mars 1999 16:20
>
> >So, if a F-100 has bad mileage, around 15 or so I heave heard, it comes
> >from the rear end gears maybe ? Or does it mean the trucks didn't have
> >vacuum advance on the distributors ? Or other stuff ?
> >
> >> >People says that the 352 4V use more gasoline (means lower mileage)
than
> >a
> >> >390 2V, but how about a 352 2V used in the trucks ?
> >> >
>
> Uhm, I would be exstatic (well static anyway) to get 15 from my truck ...
> if you are running a V8, 2wd, 15 might obtainable, but if you've got a
4x4
> with a good sized 8, I wouldn't expect that much from it unless I drove
it
> like ... well really gently ... (they say Old man on the mustang boards,
> but don't want to offend anyone :)
>
>
> Just my 2cents
>
> wish
>
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 13:50:33 EST
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Calling Mr. Grant

Hey Jeff,

Aren't you in Atlanta?

Might be headed your way soon...

CJ
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:03:05 -0500
From: "Matarrtas"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Bushing Difference

I am repainting my truck and wanted to replace the old rubber bushings with
new polyurethane bushings. When I look in different part catalogs that sell
these bushings. They only sell them for 4wd ford trucks. Is there any
difference between the 2wd and 4wd bushings? The truck is a1978 F-100 2wd.
Any comments would be great.

Thanks Warren
1978 F-100 Custom
1978 F-150 XLT



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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 13:23:16 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 352 versus 390

>Do you have vacuum advance on your distributor ?
>
Yup. Haven't tested it though I guess ... just seemed like it was about
right ...

>As to the old man thing,,,,, I often drive with a so called "locked foot"

That's pretty frustrating when we get behind the farmers doin that around
here, but like you said it saves gas and if you've got a high torque
engine, no problems ...

>If you had US $ 5 / gallon gas price and wanted to drive a V8 you'd just do
>the same.
>
Probably be figurin out something, that's for sure :)

>By the way, you never said anything about what speed you had when you got
>12 mpg.
>
Didn't matter, most of the time between 55 and 70, it was just 12, in town,
same deal, though I don't do a lot of in town I did do some.


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:33:05 -0500
From: "MICHAEL ROGERS"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: FTE 61-79 F-100 1965

>Hi all,

>I asked a little while ago about the front of a F-100 from 1965

Just a guess. Could the difference possibly what is offered with the custom
cab vice the standard cab models? My 65 custom cab has the grill similar to
the one in the second photo you have linked. That is the truck not playing
in the snow. Sorry it is not a definite answer backed by confidence, but
it's food for thought.

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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 12:20:47 -0800
From: sparky mail.island.net
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Ignition Problem

>From: mdennis
>I am very much in need of some h*lp on my 79 F150 4x4 daily driver.
>It will start and run only when the key is turned all the way on (starter
>position). When it is turned back to run, it will quit running.

When you turn the key to "start" do your oil and alt warning lights come
on? If so the ignition switch is good. If you dont have "idiot" lights but
guages, select a different fuel tank and listen for the selector valve to
move. If you can hear it moving the igniton switch is good.

>I took a jumper wire and jumped the red wire with blue stripe which I
thought >was the neutral safety switch wire and it started normally with
the key. Did >I mess something up by jumping across this neutral ignition
switch wire?

No. All you did was bypass the neutral safety switch. The ignition system
just thinks the truck is in neutral now.

>It will start and run as long as it is in the start position but
>quit running when in the run position. Any suggestions?

You could be having problems with the resistor wire ("run" wire). It goes
from the ignition switch to a splice (black plastic thing about 1" or so
long)in wire harness above the fuse panel. The splice connects the "start"
wire (brown wire from "I" terminal of start relay) to a red wire with a
green stripe (goes to + of coil) and the "run" wire also red with a green
stripe. The "run" wire is about 2-3 feet long and is a resistor wire to
lower voltage at the coil during engine operation. You really have to
remove the instrument panel to check it out.
_______
"I" Start Relay______brown "start" wire______| |
| Black |___Red/Green stripe__
Ign Switch____Red/Green stripe "run" wire____| Splice| |
|_______| |
+
Ignition
Coil
Excuse my crude schematic :)

Hope this makes sense. Better yet I hope it helps you fix the problem :-)

Sparky
73F250 4x4
390FE 2v



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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 12:24:15 PST
From: "b hp"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - I just want to ogle your bumper.

A couple of months ago someone posted an address with pictures of a
white 4x4 with a custom bumper and winch setup. I believe the bumper was
diamond plate and fairly tall. The truck was white, late 60s early
70s. I checked the archives with no luck. Anyone remember the address?
I just pulled my friends car out of the mud with a tow ropenow I want
a winch. Im so simple..doh!


Bruce
65 Mercury M-100 2WD P/U 240 |6

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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 16:55:07 EST
From: Rollie H Hunt
Subject: FTE 61-79 - HI PERF Cam degreeing

I need help with degreeing my cam for a 351C .This cam is higher
performance than stock .This is the first time I have tried one and I
want to do it right . Here is the profile .

cam lift valve lift
lobe centers
int .280 int .484
int 107
exh .295 exh .510
exh 117

advance duration .050 duration
int 270 int 204
exh 280 exh 214

This is a hydraulic cam and non adjustable rockers . I know I may need to
change to adjustable rockers . The directions with the cam didn't require
them or different valve springs . I was told when I decided buy this cam
that it wouldn't require any machine work or any other parts to make it
work properly . I hope that parts guy was right !
R.H.Hunt

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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:57:32 -0600
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 352 versus 390

>>So, if a F-100 has bad mileage, around 15 or so I heave heard, it comes
from the rear end gears maybe ? Or does it mean the trucks didn't have
vacuum advance on the distributors ? Or other stuff ?

Bill,

You guys stepped on one of my nerves. I don't know about the 352 vs 390
question, but I know a little about gas mileage.

1. The differential or final drive gear ratio makes a big difference. The
lower the ratio, the better the gas mileage. a 2.92 ratio will get much
better mileage than a 4.10, but a 4.10 will burn the tires down to the rims.

2. A 4 barrel carb will get better mileage than a 2 barrel at any cruising
speed when the 4 is only running on 2 barrels. Where the 4 barrel will eat
your fuel fast is when all 4 barrels are flowing: high speed and hard
acceleration.

3. Under inflated tires will ruin your gas mileage quick.

15 mpg (US gallons) is excellent for a typical pickup. I get 10 in town and
about 14 cruising the interstate. I turn about 2000 rpms at 60 miles per
hour. I have a 3.50 axle and P235/75-15 tires.



- -John

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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 16:14:20 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 352 versus 390

>You guys stepped on one of my nerves. I don't know about the 352 vs 390
>question, but I know a little about gas mileage.
>
>1. The differential or final drive gear ratio makes a big difference. The
>lower the ratio, the better the gas mileage. a 2.92 ratio will get much
>better mileage than a 4.10, but a 4.10 will burn the tires down to the rims.
>
This is generally true, but it is possible if you have your motor set up to
get various gear combos to do better mileage ... I don't think my truck
with a 2.92 ratio will get better mileage than the current 3.50's, the
reason being I will expend so much fuel trying to turn the 30x9.5's and get
it up to speed out of the power band (if it hits 3rd at all) that I would
actually be hurting mileage. On the interstates it wouldnt be a big deal,
but it would be the biggest dog you've ever met on the town/rural roads
where you have to speed up and slow down a lot. That's why I posted about
2wd vs 4wd, which we never received an answer for, if its a 2wd then this
is definitley a valid option, with 4wd, I think you end up playing with
tire sizes and it gets darned expensive to swap the front AND rear gears
around just for a couple of MPG, though $5/gal it would pay off quickly I
suppose, provided you did get it right ...


>2. A 4 barrel carb will get better mileage than a 2 barrel at any cruising
>speed when the 4 is only running on 2 barrels. Where the 4 barrel will eat
>your fuel fast is when all 4 barrels are flowing: high speed and hard
>acceleration.
>
I don't quite get this, the engine needs the same amount of fuel and air at
cruising speed (assuming similar manifolds and efficiencies and such), so
why would your mileage change at all ? And if you have the wrong gears
(like you said above) its possible that the back ones will be opened a
crack and there goes all the benefits...


>3. Under inflated tires will ruin your gas mileage quick.
>
AMEN! I need to set mine again, they were just at 32 or something when
Sears put them on, fine for the rear, but not for the 360 in the front!

>15 mpg (US gallons) is excellent for a typical pickup. I get 10 in town and
>about 14 cruising the interstate. I turn about 2000 rpms at 60 miles per
>hour. I have a 3.50 axle and P235/75-15 tires.
>1979 F150 Custom 351M C6 (Henry)

I assume this is a 2wd, since it doesn't say otherwise ? 2000revs at 60 ?
with 3.50's ? hmm, doesn't seem quite right to me for some reason ...
seems a bit low ... did you install an OD on that C6 ? :) The gear
calculator at the Corral estimates 2400, not including wind resistance or
any of that ... had that speedo checked lately ? :)




Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 18:02:09 -0500
From: "Barry Price"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 F-100 1965

The first pictorial
(http://www.ford-trucks.com/pictorial/big/1965_f100.html) looks just like my
65 F-100. I know it is original. The second one
(http://www.ford-trucks.com/pictorial/big/1965_f100_7.html) looks more like
a 66 grill.
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From: Bill Brox
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Sunday, March 21, 1999 9:06 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 F-100 1965


>Hi all,
>
>I asked a little while ago about the front of a F-100 from 1965, maybe I
>didn't explain what I meant so others could understand it.
>
>Here it comes:
>
>This truck has one grille
>http://www.ford-trucks.com/pictorial/big/1965_f100.html
>
>And this truck has a different grille
>http://www.ford-trucks.com/pictorial/big/1965_f100_7.html
>
>Can anyone enlighten me in this matter.
>
>
>Bill Brox
>
>
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 00:21:14 +0100
From: "Bill Brox"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 352 versus 390

What is the weight of a F-100 from 1965 ?


> 2. A 4 barrel carb will get better mileage than a 2 barrel at any
cruising
> speed when the 4 is only running on 2 barrels. Where the 4 barrel will
eat
> your fuel fast is when all 4 barrels are flowing: high speed and hard
> acceleration.

In original cases no, because with 4 barrels the factory assumed more power
and at a higher rpm, using a cam with longer duration and overlap. This
makes them use more gas than a 2 barrel.
But, of course, if the engine is set up for max. mileage with a 4 barrel it
is possible to get better mileage than with a 2 barrel. Also, the primary
ports have to be smaller than the ports in the 2 barrels to see any
benefit. If the 4 barrel is a big one there will be no benefit at all.

I understand that trucks has a higher rear end ratio than a car, to be able
to tow more. This hurt mileage. So, it will be a thing to decide, low ratio
or high ratio, after the needs. My needs would be a low ratio, less than
3.00:1. Maybe as low as possible to find.
Have no idea of what type of rear end Ford used in the F-100, and what
options I would have.


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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 16:26:21 -0700
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - HI PERF Cam degreeing

>Rollie H Hunt
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - HI PERF Cam degreeing
>
>I need help with degreeing my cam for a 351C .
>This cam is higher performance than stock .
>This is the first time I have tried one and I
>want to do it right . Here is the profile .

Yo Rollie:

Crane Cams has excellent instructions for degreeing cams on their web site at:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.cranecams.com/instructions/degreeing/degree.htm

Both Crane and Comp Cams sell cam degreeing kits w/ all the tools you'll need
and detailed instruction sheets.

>This is a hydraulic cam and non adjustable
>rockers . I know I may need to change to
>adjustable rockers . The directions with the
>cam didn't require them or different valve
>springs .

One note about the exhaust valve lift you cited (0.510"); the only stock 335
series (351C/351M/400) valve springs that will tolerate that amount of lift are
the 351C 4V springs. The 351C 4V (including 351CJ) valve springs will bind at
0.560" lift. The 351C Boss and HO springs bind at 0.550". No other 335 series
valve springs will go over 0.490" actual lift without binding.

Is this cam going in an engine w/ the stock 351C 4V valve springs?

Good luck w/ your truck.

Dave R. (M-block devotee)


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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 00:21:14 +0100
From: "Bill Brox"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 352 versus 390

What is the weight of a F-100 from 1965 ?


> 2. A 4 barrel carb will get better mileage than a 2 barrel at any
cruising
> speed when the 4 is only running on 2 barrels. Where the 4 barrel will
eat
> your fuel fast is when all 4 barrels are flowing: high speed and hard
> acceleration.

In original cases no, because with 4 barrels the factory assumed more power
and at a higher rpm, using a cam with longer duration and overlap. This
makes them use more gas than a 2 barrel.
But, of course, if the engine is set up for max. mileage with a 4 barrel it
is possible to get better mileage than with a 2 barrel. Also, the primary
ports have to be smaller than the ports in the 2 barrels to see any
benefit. If the 4 barrel is a big one there will be no benefit at all.

I understand that trucks has a higher rear end ratio than a car, to be able
to tow more. This hurt mileage. So, it will be a thing to decide, low ratio
or high ratio, after the needs. My needs would be a low ratio, less than
3.00:1. Maybe as low as possible to find.
Have no idea of what type of rear end Ford used in the F-100, and what
options I would have.


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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 18:02:09 -0500
From: "Barry Price"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 F-100 1965

The first pictorial
(http://www.ford-trucks.com/pictorial/big/1965_f100.html) looks just like my
65 F-100. I know it is original. The second one
(http://www.ford-trucks.com/pictorial/big/1965_f100_7.html) looks more like
a 66 grill.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Bill Brox
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Sunday, March 21, 1999 9:06 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 F-100 1965


>Hi all,
>
>I asked a little while ago about the front of a F-100 from 1965, maybe I
>didn't explain what I meant so others could understand it.
>
>Here it comes:
>
>This truck has one grille
>http://www.ford-trucks.com/pictorial/big/1965_f100.html
>
>And this truck has a different grille
>http://www.ford-trucks.com/pictorial/big/1965_f100_7.html
>
>Can anyone enlighten me in this matter.
>
>
>Bill Brox
>
>
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:35:52 -0800
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: [none]

Rollie wrote:
I have been to all of the dealerships in my area and they don't stock or
sale any parts that old , (60's - 70's). I would prefer to buy a part
from the dealer if
I could . Give some more info on how to find a dealer that does this .
Thanks
R.H.Hunt ,King , N.C.
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My Reply:
Rollie,
1. Get an AutoKrafters catalog. Link should be listed at the FTE web site.

2. Get cozy with the parts guy at the dealership you want to deal with.

3. Give the parts guy the part number from the AutoKrafters catalog.

You can use this method to shame a lazy parts guy (I refuse to be PC). Go
in and ask for a part by description and when they say the part is NLA give
them the number and ask them to look it up. I've found this problem is
usually a lazy parts chaser.

Tom H.
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:35:54 -0800
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Cab Swap

>From: Bret Godfrey
>I have a 77' ford f-250 4x4 that I rolled. I found a 78' cab to put on
>my truck. I am having some difficulty reconnecting the wiring. The
>connectors in the 78' are different than those in my 77', namely the
>ignition module. Is there any aftermarket adapters available?
>(my truck is a XLT, the 78' cab is a custom)

Bret,
Why don't you just take the old harness from your crushed cab and install
it/them in the older cab. It would save dealing with untold potential
gremlins if you have an unmolested harness. While it may seem difficult
when you take the previous statement into account you will actually be
saving yourself from some other headaches.

Tom H.
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 21:22:17 -0500
From: Harry Lewis
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Gas tanks

I bought a gas tank from J.C. Whitney for my '79 F-150 4X4 and was pleased
with it. Looked identical to the stock one except that it wasn't full of
rust holes.

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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 21:54:32 EST
From: Rollie H Hunt
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - HI PERF Cam degreeing

No , this is a stock two barrel head engine . I am going to use a four
barrel intake manifold and headers so this engine will breath better . I
will check out the instructions by crane . It looks like from what you
wrote "no other 335 series valve springs will go over .490 actual lift
without binding" that this cam may be a little too much . I haven't had
the heads rebuilt yet so there is still time for the valve springs to be
changed to some that can handle the .510 exhaust lift of this cam . I am
not trying to build a really fast engine , I just want more power in the
cruising range than this engine has shown to have in the past .
Thanks Dave !

Rollie .

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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 22:03:40 -0500
From: Brad Smith
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - changing round headlights to square

At 02:03 PM 3/19/99 PST, you wrote:
>
>Since I bought my 73 F100 I've wanted to put in a 79 grill. I have
>always liked the look of the 79 with the square headlights, but a good
>79 grill is very hard to find. I found a complete 78 grill (in a dead
>U-Haul) but it has round headlights and I want the square ones. I've
>heard of several people changing the round to the square. I obviously
>would have to change the bulb and the trim around the lights, but my
>question is, do I have to change the bracket that the bulb mounts to?
>Is it different for the square bulb or can I make the round one work?
>
>Thanks
>
>Marty
>73 F100 390
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The bracket that the 78 uses is round, so I would assume that you would
have to change it for the square ones. I don't see how you could mount a
square light in this round bracket...
Brad
78 F150 4X4 429

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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 21:19:49 -0600
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Ford on ch*y chassis

Deacon wrote:

>The most I'd bend is it wouldn't punishable by death to put a
>Delco alternator in a Ford . I still wouldn't brag about it here if I
>did it. :)
>
>Later!
>
>Deacon

It's alive!!! Deacon is still with us!!!! Thanks for the cameo visit!!
Please be a little more active if you can!!
We do miss hearing from you!!!

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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 21:23:55 -0600
From: Stu Varner
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Gas prices - OUCHHEEE!!!!

>If you had US $ 5 / gallon gas price and wanted to drive a V8 you'd just do
>the same.

I just paid 87 cents US for a gallon of Amoco 87 octane.....where are
you??? Paying 5 bucks per gallon is unheard of??

Stu
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 22:25:47 -0500
From: Brad Smith
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Bushing Difference

At 02:03 PM 3/22/99 -0500, you wrote:
>I am repainting my truck and wanted to replace the old rubber bushings with
>new polyurethane bushings. When I look in different part catalogs that sell
>these bushings. They only sell them for 4wd ford trucks. Is there any
>difference between the 2wd and 4wd bushings? The truck is a1978 F-100 2wd.
>Any comments would be great.
>
>Thanks Warren
>1978 F-100 Custom
>1978 F-150 XLT
>
>
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Go and check out www.suspension.com They supply poly bushings for all for
trucks, 2wd & 4wd. I know there are some differences, the main ones being
you dont need C-bushing, and the radius/strut arm bushings are different
too I believe. Oh yeah, you can get these bushings in a lot of diff.
colors too if you want to color coordinate your paint job :) Good luck!
Brad
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 22:36:01 EST
From: Rollie H Hunt
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re:

On Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:35:52 -0800 "Hogan, Tom"
writes:
>Rollie wrote:
>I have been to all of the dealerships in my area and they don't stock
>or
>sale any parts that old , (60's - 70's). I would prefer to buy
>a part
>from the dealer if
>I could . Give some more info on how to find a dealer that does this
>.
>Thanks
>R.H.Hunt ,King , N.C.

Tom , I am willing to do all of those things to find a part I need except
this one!!!

>2. Get cozy with the parts guy at the dealership you want to deal
>with.
Unless th parts guy is a gal ! LOL !
Besides my wife would get jealous in either case . LOL
Thanks for the info .
Rollie.

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Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2015 19:49:18 -0800
From: "Jacques and Barbara DeKalb"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: '70 hubcaps

I would like to put full stock wheel covers on my '70 Ranger 4X4 and expect
to have to scavange the swap meets for them. Could someone on the list
steer me to a photo or other resource which would show me what I should be
looking for? Thanks in advance.

Jacques, Bend, Ore.



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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 23:02:40 -0500
From: cannandale netpointe.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 4x4 conversion

ive been looking hard at a '79 supercab f250 with a descent 460, and i was
wondering how hard it would be to convert it to a 4x4 if i did get it. I
bought a wrecked (rolled) '78 F250 with no engine, but a np205 and c6. all
the running gear is in great shape. im only wanting the truck to handle
33's, so i know that not much of a lift will have to be installed. just in
general, what am i getting in to??

cannandale
'78 F250 4x4, 460
'78 F250 4x4 (sort-of)


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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 22:52:41 -0600
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: '70 hubcaps

At 07:49 PM 3/22/15 -0800, you wrote:
>I would like to put full stock wheel covers on my '70 Ranger 4X4 and expect
>to have to scavange the swap meets for them. Could someone on the list
>steer me to a photo or other resource which would show me what I should be
>looking for? Thanks in advance.

Jacques,

FYI- Ford *never* ever offered hub caps for 4x4's until sometime after
1972. I am unsure of the year they actually started putting them on. My
earliest recollection was a 79 F-150 4x4 which was bought by my family with
plain jane ugly steel hub caps. I do know the 1979 F-250 4x4 which was
also ordered by a family member during the same year had no hub caps per
his special order. My first question when he drove it home was "where are
the hub caps??". 13 year olds can ask alot of questions. I guess hub caps
first appeared sometime between 1973 and 1979.......of course you can
retrofit a later model set without any trouble.

Stu
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 21:00:18 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 352 versus 390

Thanks for your message at 04:14 PM 3/22/99 -0600, William S Hart. Your
message was:
>>2. A 4 barrel carb will get better mileage than a 2 barrel at any cruising
>>speed when the 4 is only running on 2 barrels. Where the 4 barrel will eat
>>your fuel fast is when all 4 barrels are flowing: high speed and hard
>>acceleration.
>>
>I don't quite get this, the engine needs the same amount of fuel and air at
>cruising speed (assuming similar manifolds and efficiencies and such),

The primaries on the average 4 barrel are smaller than the 2 barrel,
correct?
Dennis Pearson
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 00:01:04 EST
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 F250 460 7900 GVW CA Emissions

In a message dated 3/22/99 9:24:23 AM Pacific Standard Time,
afreemantle rhythms.net writes:


stopped but still in gear, I observe the carburator's main butterfly is
closed but the engine is still trying to accelerate hard. If I shut off the
engine and let the vacuum escape and restart the engine again, everything is
fine until the next time I accelerate hard. >>

Sounds like a Classic case of the vacuum secondaries sticking open. You did
say main butterfly so I assume you have 4V with vacuum secondaries? Check'em
out. I am also sure that the EGR and or any of its controls have nothing to
do with this problem. Good luck
Burt Hill Kennewick Wa 1972 F-250 4x4 460
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 00:07:43 EST
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Calling Mr. Grant

about 45 miles south of hotlanta.

jgrant
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 00:12:44 EST
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re:

most dealers just don't want to fool with the old stuff, their microfish only
has current stuff on it. i would try to get the part numbers for the parts you
need, tell your friendly ford parts guy to punch it in the system and see if
it comes up. you will be surprised what is still available. (i think) melvins
classic ford parts in lithonia, ga
specializes in trucks and broncos,mustangs,falcons etc.

good luck
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