61-79-list-digest Friday, March 19 1999 Volume 03 : Number 093



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Virus checking
Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Virus checking
FTE 61-79 - FE casting numbers
FTE 61-79 - 360/390/410 which foot does the slipper fit?
FTE 61-79 - MSD Products
Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Virus checking
FTE 61-79 - correction
Re: FTE 61-79 - correction
FTE 61-79 - *HOT* Starter
Re: FTE 61-79 - *HOT* Starter
FTE 61-79 - cab swap
RE: FTE 61-79 - cab swap
FTE 61-79 - BB Heads
Re: FTE 61-79 - *HOT* Starter
Re: FTE 61-79 - MSD Products
FTE 61-79 - Steering problem.
Re: FTE 61-79 - Steering problem.
Re: FTE 61-79 - Steering problem.
Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Virus checking
Re: FTE 61-79 - Steering problem.
FTE 61-79 - NP203
Re: FTE 61-79 - Steering problem.
Re: FTE 61-79 - MSD Products
Re: FTE 61-79 - BB Heads
Re: FTE 61-79 - NP203
FTE 61-79 - RE: Slipper skirt pistons and purple striped bug
FTE 61-79 - 8" Rear End
FTE 61-79 - Duraspark II problems

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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 07:22:51 -0500
From: Joe Delaurentis
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Virus checking

Paul Smith wrote:
>
> What is the differance between a Worm an a Virus
> Paul Smith
>
> Joe Delaurentis wrote:
>
> > Ken,
> >
> > the Happy99 Virus is not a VIRUS..Norton Antivirus will not pick it up
> > the Happy99.exe is a WORM..if you go to www.symnatec.com (the makers of
> > norton) they have the 5 steps to remove this worm..I did not know i had
> > it till Ken emailed me (thanks) and I have fixed this problem.
> > Hope this helps
> > Joe
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Worms can not be detected by virus software
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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 07:31:27 -0500
From: Rob Long
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Virus checking

Joe,
www.symnatec.com does not work.... did you type it right??

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mailto:rob_long bigfoot.com

"Why do you press harder on a remote-control when you know the
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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 06:48:24 -0600
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FE casting numbers

> The block and heads should not have a casting number later than
> > C5 (the 5 denoting 1965) or casting date codes later than the build date
> > of your truck. The block should not have a casting number earlier than
> > C5, or maybe C4,
>
> Where are these casting #'s located?
>
> but it must have two sets of engine mounting holes.
> > They changed the mount location in '65 and there might have been a few
> > cast in late '64.
>
> Were the mounts in the same place as the 292? I have an FE block in my '64, and everything looks pretty much normal.


I assume that you mean that an FE was transplanted into the '64, as it
wasn't offered in trucks until '65. What syle mounting do you have? Up
through '64 they used a front mount with rear side mounts under an iron
bellhousing. In '65 all but the 4X4's got the same setup as the later
trucks had. The 4X4's kept the pre-'65 mount setup.

The difference in the pre and post '65 blocks is that the early blocks
had two mounting holes and a mount on each side that won't work in any
F-truck that uses side mounts without making a bracket to adapt them.
(I've had to do it before, a friend spent grand moolah on a '64 390
building it, then found out it doesn't have mounts to fit his '66 F100.)
The later blocks will have two sets of mounting bolts that will fit the
truck chassis fine, and will fit the pre-'65 Galaxie too. You'll find
the casting number by laying under the truck, at the front passenger
side corner of the block. It's cast on a pad below the cylinder head
facing the passenger side frame rail right to the rear of the
alternator. I can't remember all of the the exact number and build date
combinations, you'd be well served to have one of our list members look
it up in their volumous reference library for the greatest of gnat's-a**
exactitude when you get yours written down.
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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 07:11:50 -0600
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 360/390/410 which foot does the slipper fit?

> Hey Stu, I know exactly how you feel, when I pulled the pistons from my 76
> 390 they had 410 cast into them! Now that I think about it, I'm fairly
> sure that the 390 I took apart had never been opened up either ... weird
> huh ?
>
> Well now I know I guess ... the pistons don't pop out the top of the block
> at TDC :)


It's quite possible that they did the same thing to the late 390's as
they did to the 360's (used the 390 piston to provide lower compression,
instead of making a piston that comes to the top with a dish) using the
piston from the 410 in the 390 to lower compression, as they would come
up .100 or thereabouts lower in the cylinder. Economies, you know, use
up all of those parts.
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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:04:04 -0800
From: "Steve Schmeckpeper"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - MSD Products

Burt, Thanks for the detailed reply! I'm on my third e-mail to MSD Tech
trying to answer the same questions. They don't seem to want to go much
further than a canned response, so I ordered a catalog as you suggested.
Are you using any kind of special filter on your radio?? I'm getting slight
interference now with a stock ignition (Duraspark II ?) It seems like it's
got to get worse if I go to Multiple Spark type with lo resistance/spiral
wires.
Concerning the reliability issue just raised by Jeff Grant.......Replacement
stock module for my 79 F100 is ~30. at Autozone. After the local MSD
distributor quoted me 175. for the 6A module and 110. for the Adjustable
Timing Control, I went into a swoon and forgot to ask $ for the coil and
wires.
Does anyone know where I can get a better price?
It's hard for me to justify a 350.00 expenditure (box,control,coil,wires)
for a daily driver 8^( Regarding the downtime issue, the nearest MSD dist
is 50 miles away and may not be stocking the parts I need......... I guess I
could just slap the old Ford module back in till the parts arrived.

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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 06:49:19 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Virus checking

Just a quick tip. Don't run software on your computer that you received
unsolicited attached to an email. In order to get the Happy99.exe virus/worm
you had to have run the exe file. After that every email and/or newsgroup
post you send is followed by a second post with the Happy99.exe file
attached.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Joe Delaurentis
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 7:05 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Virus checking


>Ken,
>
>the Happy99 Virus is not a VIRUS..Norton Antivirus will not pick it up
>the Happy99.exe is a WORM..if you go to www.symnatec.com (the makers of
>norton) they have the 5 steps to remove this worm..I did not know i had
>it till Ken emailed me (thanks) and I have fixed this problem.



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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:15:59 -0700
From: Bret Godfrey
Subject: FTE 61-79 - correction

Hi, I recently posted an e-mail concerning the wiring of a 78' cab to a
77' truck. I found out last night that the guy I bought the cab from
had previously put the cab on a 73' and he changed the wiring to match
the 73'truck. Does anyone know of a good way to find out how to change
the wiring back for electronic ignition?
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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 10:07:02 EST
From: My427Stang aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - correction

Have him check Duraspark II
- -- The Ford V-8 Engine Workshop it will tell him how to wire it,
basically the same wires that feed the points, both on start and run, will go
to one wire each on the box
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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 10:16:48 -0500
From: Shawn Flaugher
Subject: FTE 61-79 - *HOT* Starter

Some of you may remember my electrical woes a while back.
I thank you all for your input!
Like I said, the Starter was the culprit. ---
Now it's happening again.
The starter works great if it's cold, but as soon as I drive
for about 30 min or so, the starter heats up, and I get slow
starts. The last time, the starter was only a few months old
and it wouldn't even give me a useable crank after it was hot.
I replaced the Starter, (with another re-build), and this worked great
for a few weeks. But now it's starting to show signs of the same thing!
I know I can install "heat wrap" or use the old coffee can method.
But is there a way to tell if my Exaust MAN if giving off "too much"
heat? If I change to a totally new, (Expensive) starter, will this help?

I don't want to pay all that money for the same thing to happen!
To recap- my info is as follows.
'71 F100 Sport Custom
302, (factory Exhaust / Intake MANs)

Thanks in advance as always!
- -Shawn



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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:28:50 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - *HOT* Starter

>Like I said, the Starter was the culprit. ---
>Now it's happening again.
>The starter works great if it's cold, but as soon as I drive
>for about 30 min or so, the starter heats up, and I get slow
>starts. The last time, the starter was only a few months old
>and it wouldn't even give me a useable crank after it was hot.
>But is there a way to tell if my Exaust MAN if giving off "too much"
>heat? If I change to a totally new, (Expensive) starter, will this help?
>
I find this odd that you're having a problem with heat destroying a starter
and you're using stock manifolds. Be sure your timing isn't set too far
advanced or that will make it sound like the starter is having problems
cranking. Also you might check other things that are related to the heat,
maybe something else is getting warm (solenoid maybe?) and not letting the
starter have full juice ... Just seems odd that you would go through them
that quickly. Also be sure you have a good ground between the motor and
the frame/cab ... if things aren't grounded well you could be getting just
a partial jolt to the starter and it won't have the juice it needs ...

How about dragging? The starter drive disengaging all the way so the
starter stops spinning when the motor starts ?


If all of this checks out, then I'd definitley get a starter with a
lifetime warranty ...

Sorry if all of this is rehash of what we said before, just seems odd to
lose one that quickly, maybe it was just a fluke and the next one will last
better ?


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 10:11:57 -0800
From: sparky mail.island.net
Subject: FTE 61-79 - cab swap

>From: Bret Godfrey
>I have a 77' ford f-250 4x4 that I rolled. I found a 78' cab to put on
>my truck. I am having some difficulty reconnecting the wiring. The
>connectors in the 78' are different than those in my 77', namely the
>ignition module. Is there any aftermarket adapters available?
>(my truck is a XLT, the 78' cab is a custom)

Just a thought but couldn't you cut the connectors off the wiring harness
from your old cab and replace the ones on the new cab. You could use
splices with heat shrink over them, or better yet solder the wires together
and cover them with heat shrink. Just ensure you match up the wire
color-codes correctly.

Sparky
73F250 4x4
390FE 2v

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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:53:02 -0700
From: Bret Godfrey
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - cab swap

Sparky,

thank you, for the suggestion, but I have different number of wires, and
I don't know which ones to use and which ones to not use.
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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 14:38:26 -0500
From: Brad Smith
Subject: FTE 61-79 - BB Heads

I know this was hashed over a while back, but I was just wondering if
someone could reply concerning the numbers on Big Block Heads.
Part Numbers for the SCJ,CJ,PI and stock heads would be appreciated.
The two best times to go fishing are when it is raining, and when it is
not...
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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 18:00:56 -0500
From: j arnold
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - *HOT* Starter

At 09:28 AM 3/18/99 -0600, you wrote:
>>Like I said, the Starter was the culprit. ---
>>Now it's happening again.
>>The starter works great if it's cold, but as soon as I drive
>>for about 30 min or so, the starter heats up, and I get slow
>>starts. The last time, the starter was only a few months old
>>and it wouldn't even give me a useable crank after it was hot.
>>But is there a way to tell if my Exaust MAN if giving off "too much"
>>heat? If I change to a totally new, (Expensive) starter, will this help?
>>
Where did you get your rebuilt starter? I once went through 4 starters in 5
days before I got a good one. Many rebuilders use parts from overseas to
reduce cost and stay competitive. One mechanic I trust says he uses
Autozone starters (where mine came from). You'll sometimes get bad ones
because they rebuild with bendix made in Korea with zero quality control
but the price is right and they'll happily exchange the bad ones till you
get a good one. A hassle but you get what you pay for. Just make sure where
you get it will replace it if its a bad one. The high dollar for a FoMoCo
starter is because they use quality parts and back them up (mostly).

stoney


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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 17:26:19 -0500
From: Norm or Tracie Tischer
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - MSD Products

I will give ya my opinion on the MSD stuff!! It works well when it
works!! I have a bronco that we use on the trail heavily! I have been
running a MSD on it on and off for years...works well when it works..but
when it dies I have to send it back to MSD and 2months latter they send it
back(usually costs me 40$ or so and they keep sending me letters saying
that the thing is not supposed to be submerged!! LOL Ok I will admit
to this happening once!! But the last 4 times it died it was due to
...Who knows what? Anyways I switched out the MSD stuff for a factory
Duraspark (recurved) and a Chrysler style ignition box.....This combo has
been grat so far and the old 514 seemed to run at least as good as it
always did with the MSD...I guess I posted this kinda as a food for thought
type of deal.....I know guys who have had MSD's on cars for years with zero
probs!!! Norm!


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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 16:59:21 -0800
From: "sam weatherby"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Steering problem.

My steering seems real "tight" when it is close to center.
It takes a bit more effort to turn and doesn't want to center.
I tried adjusting the box but it can't go any looser.
It sure doesn't feel like a loosely adjusted box.
Any ideas on this?
-srw

Sam Weatherby http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://insert.com/sammy
SWeatherby UsWest.Net A-SamWe Microsoft.com
'70 Grabber Sportsroof Mustang
'93 F-150 XLT Lightning
'98 HD FXD Super Glide
'65 F100


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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:45:25 -0800
From: "Steve Schmeckpeper"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Steering problem.

Sam, IMHO the ONLY way to properly adj your box is to remove from the truck
and do it on the bench.
Smeck,
79 F100
FTE "Brain Trust"

- -----Original Message-----
From: sam weatherby
To: lightning ; trucks

Date: Thursday, March 18, 1999 5:17 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Steering problem.


>My steering seems real "tight" when it is close to center.
>It takes a bit more effort to turn and doesn't want to center.
>I tried adjusting the box but it can't go any looser.
>It sure doesn't feel like a loosely adjusted box.
>Any ideas on this?
> -srw
>
>Sam Weatherby http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://insert.com/sammy
>SWeatherby UsWest.Net A-SamWe Microsoft.com
>'70 Grabber Sportsroof Mustang
>'93 F-150 XLT Lightning
>'98 HD FXD Super Glide
>'65 F100
>
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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 20:53:28 EST
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Steering problem.

In a message dated 3/18/99 8:51:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, eeschm ee.lsu.edu
writes:

> Sam, IMHO the ONLY way to properly adj your box is to remove from the truck
> and do it on the bench.
What is your logic behind this theory??

~~Thom B~~
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 21:23:48 -0500
From: Joe Delaurentis
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Virus checking

SORRY the address should be

www.symantec.com

use the search function for happy99.exe
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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 20:25:55 -0800
From: "Steve Schmeckpeper"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Steering problem.

- -----Original Message-----
From: TBeeee aol.com
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, March 18, 1999 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Steering problem.


>In a message dated 3/18/99 8:51:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,
eeschm ee.lsu.edu
>writes:
>
>> Sam, IMHO the ONLY way to properly adj your box is to remove from the
truck
>> and do it on the bench.
>What is your logic behind this theory??


The box CAN be adjusted on the vehicle but the pitman arm should be
disconnected. The linkage interferes with adj. The rotational force
(worm/input shaft)required to turn through center is measured in in/lbs!
IMHO can't get a good feel for this with everything hooked up.
Smeck

>
> ~~Thom B~~
>1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 21:54:48 -0600
From: "Brett Yerks"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - NP203

I broke the chain in my 203 transfer case last weekend, it ended up blowing
a hole out the bottom of the case. I found a 4x4 shop in the area that has a
tcase with a 30 day guarantee. I'm curious if theres anything special I
should look for when buying a used case. Is there a way to tell if the chain
is tight?

TIA
Brett
76 F250 4x4 460 38's
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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 23:10:11 -0500
From: Brad Smith
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Steering problem.

At 04:59 PM 3/18/99 -0800, you wrote:
>My steering seems real "tight" when it is close to center.
>It takes a bit more effort to turn and doesn't want to center.
>I tried adjusting the box but it can't go any looser.
>It sure doesn't feel like a loosely adjusted box.
>Any ideas on this?
> -srw
>
>Sam Weatherby http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://insert.com/sammy
>SWeatherby UsWest.Net A-SamWe Microsoft.com
>'70 Grabber Sportsroof Mustang
>'93 F-150 XLT Lightning
>'98 HD FXD Super Glide
>'65 F100
>
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You may want to try to bleed your PS pump (if you have PS). Just fill up
the reservoir and turn the wheel from side to side until it hits the stops,
but don't leave it on the stops for mre than a second or so. Keep an eye
on the reservoir, and fill it as needed throughout this process. You may
have an air bubble in the box that needs to be worked out, and it will come
out easier without the load of driving on it. Good luck...
Brad 78 F150 4X4 429

The two best times to go fishing are when it is raining, and when it is
not...
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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 23:23:37 EST
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - MSD Products

have you tried summit racing or jegs, they normaly are cheaper than local
distributors on hi perf parts. and they usually have the parts shipped right
away.

jeff grant
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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 23:25:46 EST
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - BB Heads

scj and cj are DOOE-R and the pi's are D2OE-AB, i have seen them without the
AB

jeff grant
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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 23:26:42 -0500
From: Brad Smith
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - NP203

At 09:54 PM 3/18/99 -0600, you wrote:
>I broke the chain in my 203 transfer case last weekend, it ended up blowing
>a hole out the bottom of the case. I found a 4x4 shop in the area that has a
>tcase with a 30 day guarantee. I'm curious if theres anything special I
>should look for when buying a used case. Is there a way to tell if the chain
>is tight?
>
>TIA
>Brett
>76 F250 4x4 460 38's
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.superford.org/fbird
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Check out www.drivetrain.com These guys give a 6 month warranty, and also
have parts if you wanna do the rebuild yourself.
Brad
78 F150 4X4 429

The two best times to go fishing are when it is raining, and when it is
not...
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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 23:08:51 -0600
From: JOHN E DOLSON
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Slipper skirt pistons and purple striped bug

> I noticed upon inspection (Jim Elliott will verify, he saw my pistons)
they
> are *slipper* skirt pistons
> not full skirt. This engine was a documented, unopened, 360 original
to
> the 87,000 mile truck.
> Some of the pistons had 360 cast into them and some had 390 4V cast
into them.
> Go figure! At one point in life on the FTE list, the argument was made
> that all 360's had full skirts and all 390's had slippers. Theories
tend
> to get blown out of the water on occasion! heheheehhe


I recently posted about slipper skirt pistons in my 360, five of the
pistons had 360 cast into them and three had 390 4V cast in them. I'm
glad to hear that this was done at the factory, I was afraid my engine
may have been previously butchered. As far as I can tell this rebuild is
the first time this engine has been opened up. Also I checked the numbers
on my connecting with the chart in Steve christ's Book, " How To Rebuild
Your Big Block Ford Engine", the chart lists my rods as only being used
in 330HD FT engines. it's kinda wierd.


John Dolson
Jefferson City, MO
1976 F150 Ranger XLT

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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 22:44:59 -0800
From: Art Verling
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 8" Rear End

I have some questions about 8" rear ends. Is it worth rebuilding a 8" or
what do I gain anything by buying a 9" rear end. If it is better is a
bolt on job or what is involved in the swap? Is it true that the 8" has
a round pumpkin and the 9" has a place for the gear to protrude out of
the back?.... My 8" is starting to leak at the input shaft when it sets
for a day. I just had my driveline serviced and a new seal, bushing on
my C6 & yoke on my driveline done yesterday. I still have a slight
vibration around 60 mph. Could the vibration be from the rear end?

Thanks,
Art Verling
64 F100
AV ix.netcom.com
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