61-79-list-digest Thursday, March 18 1999 Volume 03 : Number 092



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - '65 352 ID
FTE 61-79 - Slipper skirt pistons and purple striped bugs
RE: FTE 61-79 - Green Sales Co., Cinci. OH
Re: FTE 61-79 - thermostat temp for 460
Re: FTE 61-79 - Slipper skirt pistons and purple striped bugs
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: (no subject) fe 352 blocks
FTE 61-79 - VIN Decoding for '65 F-100
Re: FTE 61-79 - Slipper skirt pistons and purple striped bugs
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Cowl leak...
FTE 61-79 - New Member
Re: FTE 61-79 - '65 352 ID
FTE 61-79 - F-100 fronts
Re: FTE 61-79 - VIN Decoding for '65 F-100
Re: FTE 61-79 - Picked up engine and painted body today!! woohoo!!
Re: FTE 61-79 - VIN Decoding for '65 F-100
FTE 61-79 - thermostat temp for 460
RE: FTE 61-79 - thermostat temp for 460
RE: FTE 61-79 - thermostat temp for 460
FTE 61-79 - 352 Cst on FEs
FTE 61-79 - cab swap
FTE 61-79 - Gasoline question
Re: FTE 61-79 - Gasoline question
FTE 61-79 - Parts pricing
RE: FTE 61-79 - thermostat temp for 460
FTE 61-79 - Great explaination of Cams
[none]
[none]
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Virus checking
Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Virus checking
FTE 61-79 - Re:
FTE 61-79 - Chrome interior trim Question
Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Virus checking
FTE 61-79 - carb spacer
Re: FTE 61-79 - msd
Re: FTE 61-79 - thermostat temp for 460
Re: FTE 61-79 - I.D. on a 351m400 block
Re: FTE 61-79 - Gasoline question

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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 05:58:09 -0600
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - '65 352 ID

>
> But then, what FE engines was offered in the pickup line for 1965 ? And how
> much hp and torque ?

The 352 2bbl 208HP w/ 327lbs ft torque was the only V8 offered in 1965
trucks. The block and heads should not have a casting number later than
C5 (the 5 denoting 1965) or casting date codes later than the build date
of your truck. The block should not have a casting number earlier than
C5, or maybe C4, but it must have two sets of engine mounting holes.
They changed the mount location in '65 and there might have been a few
cast in late '64. Another distinguishing charachteristic are the
'65-'66 valve covers. I have them on my truck, you can see them at
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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 06:12:29 -0600
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Slipper skirt pistons and purple striped bugs

> I noticed upon inspection (Jim Elliott will verify, he saw my pistons) they
> are *slipper* skirt pistons
> not full skirt. This engine was a documented, unopened, 360 original to
> the 87,000 mile truck.
> Some of the pistons had 360 cast into them and some had 390 4V cast into them.
> Go figure! At one point in life on the FTE list, the argument was made
> that all 360's had full skirts and all 390's had slippers. Theories tend
> to get blown out of the water on occasion! heheheehhe

I tol ya, I tol ya, I tol ya. Thank you Mr. Varner for this
vindication. Why, a great load has been lifted from me, now that I know
I'm not cra... WHOH! I've never seen a purple striped bug that big
before...time to see the doc for another dosage increase...:-)
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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 08:01:07 -0500
From: TracyJones cinergy.com
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Green Sales Co., Cinci. OH

> ----------
> From: JLS[SMTP:csstiffl stmarytx.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 1:39 AM
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Successful Gas Tank Installation & Possible
> Obsolete Ford Parts Place
>
Gas tank install sniped


> Here's the info for the company I got my sending unit from. The number
> that
> is below is just an ordering line. You just give them the ford part number
> and they find it for you. They don't know what the thing is your ordering
> so
> you might want to try writing them and seeing if they have a catalog or
> something.
>
> Green Sales Company
>
> 2172 Seymour
>
> Cincinnati, OHIO 45237
>
> 1-800-543-4959
>
> Jeremy L. S.
>
Jeremy,
Glad to hear you got the tank installed.

Just a few notes about Green Sales. ALWAYS have your part numbers ready
because they can't or won't look them up and will get very pissy if you call
and ask for a thingemabob. Be prepared to pay 10x what your Ford dealer
might charge for the same part (if it were available). For example, a
friend of mine called them about a rear quarter panel for a '79 Bronco.
They had 'em all right, 6 pair factory Ford fresh! $2500/pair, sold in
pairs only (:-0)

Use Green Sales as a last resort, or for serious restoration work. Most
important, be seated when they tell you the price ;)

Tracy
Cinci. OH

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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 08:24:17 -0500
From: "Brent_Cole"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - thermostat temp for 460

This is really a good thread to get you thinking. What I thought the
thermostat did was start opening slowly as the temperature reached its
specificed point. It doesn't open suddenly and allow all the coolant to
mix. It restricts the flow of the high temperature coolant leaving the
engine allowing a small amount of coolant from the radiator flow into the
block. The lower the temp thermostat the sooner it starts cooling the
engine. The higher the temp the later it starts to cool the engine. If
you are getting large fluctuations in temp I would think something is
wrong. I would choose a thermostat that is closer to the "normal" engine
operating temperature. That way the engine comes up to operating
temperature quicker. When the engine is at steady state temperature is
when it is at it's best. Just my opinion.

Brent


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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 08:25:06 -0600
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Slipper skirt pistons and purple striped bugs

>> I noticed upon inspection (Jim Elliott will verify, he saw my pistons) they
>> are *slipper* skirt pistons
>> not full skirt. This engine was a documented, unopened, 360 original to
>> the 87,000 mile truck.
>> Some of the pistons had 360 cast into them and some had 390 4V cast into
them.
>> Go figure! At one point in life on the FTE list, the argument was made
>> that all 360's had full skirts and all 390's had slippers. Theories tend
>> to get blown out of the water on occasion! heheheehhe
>
>I tol ya, I tol ya, I tol ya. Thank you Mr. Varner for this
>vindication. Why, a great load has been lifted from me, now that I know
>I'm not cra... WHOH! I've never seen a purple striped bug that big
>before...time to see the doc for another dosage increase...:-)

Doctor Ballinger,

Your welcome! I was hoping a brief and fleeting instant that I had an
accidental 390 shoved
in my truck from the factory but *I know*that is not the case......It is a
352 crank.


Stu
Nuke GM!
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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 08:30:18 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: (no subject) fe 352 blocks

>Tom, excuse me for interupting, but if i recall not all fe blocks are
>352 castings.
>maybe you dont know about industrial 105
>FE castings and i am sure some one can back me up on this one because i
>have one of those blocks in my 75 F1004x4
>just a thought

Yup, Mark and I can back you up on that one, I have at least one of those
blocks that I'm rebuilding right now. I'm beginning to wonder if all the
FE's after 74 or so have that 105 in them ... it is cast backwards too, in
the same spot the 352 is normally. Just a block that was originally
destined for a big truck (F600 or so), seems to work the same as any other
390 on assembly though...


For those of you following, all the rings are fitted to the pistons, the
crank is bolted in, tonight I should be able to get the short block
finished, which is the only part I haven't done before, so its all down
hill from here!!!

:)



Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:36:24 +0100
From: "Bill Brox"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - VIN Decoding for '65 F-100

Hi all,

Anyone who can help me with a VIN Decoding for a F-100

F10DR638920


Bill Brox




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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 08:40:11 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Slipper skirt pistons and purple striped bugs

>>> Some of the pistons had 360 cast into them and some had 390 4V cast into
>them.

>>I tol ya, I tol ya, I tol ya. Thank you Mr. Varner for this
>>vindication. Why, a great load has been lifted from me, now that I know
>>I'm not cra... WHOH! I've never seen a purple striped bug that big
>>before...time to see the doc for another dosage increase...:-)

>Your welcome! I was hoping a brief and fleeting instant that I had an
>accidental 390 shoved
>in my truck from the factory but *I know*that is not the case......It is a
>352 crank.
>


Hey Stu, I know exactly how you feel, when I pulled the pistons from my 76
390 they had 410 cast into them! Now that I think about it, I'm fairly
sure that the 390 I took apart had never been opened up either ... weird
huh ?

Well now I know I guess ... the pistons don't pop out the top of the block
at TDC :)


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 06:49:59 -0800
From: Tim Bowman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Cowl leak...

Tim (in Anchorage) (and all who replied):

Thanks for the tips. I'll look into it once the weather gets drier
and warmer.

Tim
Burien, WA
71 F100
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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:02:46 -0600
From: Jerry Barr
Subject: FTE 61-79 - New Member

Hello Listers

I am new to the list and thought I would introduce myself. I own a 1970
F250 2-wd Camper Special pick-up. The truck comes from the southwest and
is in great shape. My truck has a 390 that I just rebuilt and modified
(Holley 600, Holley Street Dominator, Crane 272 cam, and Headers. It
will be used to tow my race car trailer and as my daily driver.

I have one question. Has anyone used an MSD Billet distributor and 6A
box on these trucks, and did it help much?

Jerry Barr
Sturgeon Bay WI

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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:19:10 -0500
From: Ted Wnorowski
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '65 352 ID

The block and heads should not have a casting number later than
> C5 (the 5 denoting 1965) or casting date codes later than the build date
> of your truck. The block should not have a casting number earlier than
> C5, or maybe C4,

Where are these casting #'s located?

but it must have two sets of engine mounting holes.
> They changed the mount location in '65 and there might have been a few
> cast in late '64.

Were the mounts in the same place as the 292? I have an FE block in my '64, and everything looks pretty much normal.

Ted Wnorowski
Bellevue,OH

P.S.- Where would this world be without us second-shifters?

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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:31:52 +0100
From: "Bill Brox"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - F-100 fronts

Hi all,

I have noticed 2 types of fronts on 1965 F-100 pickup trucks, one looks a
bit like the 1966 truck, and one is different.

Anyone who can tell me a little about this ?


Bill Brox




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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:33:55 -0500
From: Ted Wnorowski
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - VIN Decoding for '65 F-100

Bill Brox wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Anyone who can help me with a VIN Decoding for a F-100
>
> F10DR638920
>
> Bill Brox
>
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F10=F-100
D=352ci V-8 2bbl 208hp
R=San Jose,CA
638920=Born in January of '65

Ted Wnorowski

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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 07:57:05 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Picked up engine and painted body today!! woohoo!!

I think it deserves at least a Hemingway Classic. Enjoy!

- -----Original Message-----
From: Stu Varner
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 9:32 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Picked up engine and painted body today!! woohoo!!


>WOW! What a day!! I would have *never* attempted a frame off resto
>without the confidence gained form the list
>members! Thanks Ken, Thanks list members!!!!!! I think I am about to
>shed a tear of joy and smoke an Arturo Fuente 858 to signify the half way
>mark! :^)



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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:12:12 +0100
From: "Bill Brox"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - VIN Decoding for '65 F-100

Thanks,,,, I wonder, could the guy a talked to on the phone be to
ignorant to see the difference between a 289 and a 352.... ???

What kind of mileage could I expect from the truck ?

I talked to the registration office today, and got the VIN from them, they
also told me it was imported to Norway in 1996, so it may be a California
car.


Bill


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> From: Ted Wnorowski
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - VIN Decoding for '65 F-100
> Date: 17. mars 1999 16:33
>
> Bill Brox wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Anyone who can help me with a VIN Decoding for a F-100
> >
> > F10DR638920
> >
> > Bill Brox
> >
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> F10=F-100
> D=352ci V-8 2bbl 208hp
> R=San Jose,CA
> 638920=Born in January of '65
>
> Ted Wnorowski
>
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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:26:44 -0600
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - thermostat temp for 460

>> The lower that temperature when the thermostat opens
(i.e. a 180 or even 160 thermostat) the less fluctuation in temperature
your engine experiences.

I guarantee that it is not a coincidence that thermostat temps increased in
1968 at the same time emission requirements began to tighten. The main
reason all manufacturers went to higher temp t-stats was because there are
fewer unburned hydrocarbons at the higher operating temps. They continue
because the fewer unburned hydrocarbons coming out of the exhaust port, the
easier it is on your catalytic converter. Extended wear did not enter into
the equation in the decision to raise thermostat temps.


- -John

jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom 351M C6 (Henry)
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Dearborn iron rules!!!!!!


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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:13:17 -0700
From: Bret Godfrey
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - thermostat temp for 460

does this mean that I can get extended life out of my 460 engine with a
cooler thermostat. what effects can I expect on my heater.

- -----Original Message-----
From: John LaGrone [mailto:jlagrone ford-trucks.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 9:27 AM
To: Ford Trucks 61-79
Subject: FTE 61-79 - thermostat temp for 460


>> The lower that temperature when the thermostat opens
(i.e. a 180 or even 160 thermostat) the less fluctuation in temperature
your engine experiences.

I guarantee that it is not a coincidence that thermostat temps increased
in
1968 at the same time emission requirements began to tighten. The main
reason all manufacturers went to higher temp t-stats was because there
are
fewer unburned hydrocarbons at the higher operating temps. They continue
because the fewer unburned hydrocarbons coming out of the exhaust port,
the
easier it is on your catalytic converter. Extended wear did not enter
into
the equation in the decision to raise thermostat temps.


- -John

jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom 351M C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!!!


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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:38:17 -0800
From: "Brandt, Chris"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - thermostat temp for 460

Woe Woe Woe..........A cooler thermostat DOES NOT I repeat DOES NOT mean the
engine is going to last longer. There are numerous studies, an SAE paper
comes to mind, that show that engine wear is drastically increased at cooler
operating temps. There is an optimum temperature for best longevity based on
bearing oil film thickness. This thicknes is driven by the clearances in the
journals that are a function of as assembled clearences, temperature based
expansion and wear conditions. Unless you really know what you are doing
running cooler is going to hurt you from a longevity standpoint. Obvious
exclusion for overheating conditions assumed..... A cooler thermostat can
make a few more horsepower due to the effect on intake charge temps.

As far as the emisson comments, NOx levels go UP with higher combustion
temps not down, HC levels are impacted more by A/F ratios. Converters need
to be HOT to function properly, hot being in the 1200 plus degree range. You
get this kind of heat from the combustion chamber, not by setting the
thermostat higher.....

> -----Original Message-----
> From:Bret Godfrey [SMTP:BretG nsutah.com]
> Sent:Wednesday, March 17, 1999 7:13 PM
> To:'61-79-list ford-trucks.com'
> Subject:RE: FTE 61-79 - thermostat temp for 460
>
> does this mean that I can get extended life out of my 460 engine with a
> cooler thermostat. what effects can I expect on my heater.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John LaGrone [mailto:jlagrone ford-trucks.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 9:27 AM
> To: Ford Trucks 61-79
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - thermostat temp for 460
>
>
> >> The lower that temperature when the thermostat opens
> (i.e. a 180 or even 160 thermostat) the less fluctuation in temperature
> your engine experiences.
>
> I guarantee that it is not a coincidence that thermostat temps increased
> in
> 1968 at the same time emission requirements began to tighten. The main
> reason all manufacturers went to higher temp t-stats was because there
> are
> fewer unburned hydrocarbons at the higher operating temps. They continue
> because the fewer unburned hydrocarbons coming out of the exhaust port,
> the
> easier it is on your catalytic converter. Extended wear did not enter
> into
> the equation in the decision to raise thermostat temps.
>
>
> -John
>
> jlagrone ford-trucks.com
> 1979 F150 Custom 351M C6 (Henry)
> http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
> Dearborn iron rules!!!!!!
>
>
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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:34:59 -0800
From: "J.S.H."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 352 Cst on FEs

Years ago I had a 62 1/2 W/428 in.Used to be a lot of fun whippin'on
the c*$#%s and D*d**s and then lifting my hood and saying "Not bad for
a 352 huh boys"while pointing at the 352 cast right in the front of the
block.
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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 13:03:04 -0700
From: Bret Godfrey
Subject: FTE 61-79 - cab swap

I have a 77' ford f-250 4x4 that I rolled. I found a 78' cab to put on
my truck. I am having some difficulty reconnecting the wiring. The
connectors in the 78' are different than those in my 77', namely the
ignition module. Is there any aftermarket adapters available?
(my truck is a XLT, the 78' cab is a custom)
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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 14:31:06 -0700
From: "Jeffery G. Conrad"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Gasoline question

All,
I have a simple(?) gas question: I recently acquired a 71 F100 Custom with
a 360 and 85k miles.

Can I use straight pump gas or do I need to use a lead additive?

Also, were the FEs particular about the octane level?

Thanks!
Jeff Conrad
Colorado Springs, CO
71 F100
95 Ranger XL
jconrad nxtrend.com

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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:41:07 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Gasoline question

>I have a simple(?) gas question: I recently acquired a 71 F100 Custom with
>a 360 and 85k miles.
>
>Can I use straight pump gas or do I need to use a lead additive?
>
You can use straight pump gas, but if you do much hard acceleration or
towing, it can damage the valve seats on the exhaust side. The heads in my
truck were pounded to death, but it had been worked hard too, we have
several cars w/o hardened seats and haven't had too much problem with them
just driving around.

>Also, were the FEs particular about the octane level?
>
Once I finally got mine tuned right the 89 seemed to last longer and run
better than the 87, but since I tuned it with 89 in it, it would make sense
... us Iowa boys have to support the corn crop and run ethanol :)

Oh yeah, if anyone's interested I have a tired 360 comin out of my truck,
its got hardened valve seats in the heads, got an extra 4V manifold (from
76 390) that I'll throw in with it ... if anyone's interested give me a holler.


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 18:23:28 -0800
From: Michael Siron
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Parts pricing

Tracy Jones said:
"Be prepared to pay 10x what your Ford dealer might charge for the same =
part (if it were available)."

This reminds me of a story my dad told back in the 60's. A farmer went =
into the Ford dealer to buy a part. The parts man looked it up in the =
book and told him it would cost $80. The customer stepped back and =
informed him that his competitor priced it at $30, but they didn't have =
it and couldn't get it.

The Ford man's answer: Our price is only $20 when we don't have it and =
can't get it.
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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 19:50:44 -0500
From: Brad Smith
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - thermostat temp for 460

At 11:13 AM 3/17/99 -0700, you wrote:
>does this mean that I can get extended life out of my 460 engine with a
>cooler thermostat. what effects can I expect on my heater.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: John LaGrone [mailto:jlagrone ford-trucks.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 9:27 AM
>To: Ford Trucks 61-79
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - thermostat temp for 460
>
>
>>> The lower that temperature when the thermostat opens
>(i.e. a 180 or even 160 thermostat) the less fluctuation in temperature
>your engine experiences.
>
>I guarantee that it is not a coincidence that thermostat temps increased
>in
>1968 at the same time emission requirements began to tighten. The main
>reason all manufacturers went to higher temp t-stats was because there
>are
>fewer unburned hydrocarbons at the higher operating temps. They continue
>because the fewer unburned hydrocarbons coming out of the exhaust port,
>the
>easier it is on your catalytic converter. Extended wear did not enter
>into
>the equation in the decision to raise thermostat temps.
>
>
>-John
>
>jlagrone ford-trucks.com
>1979 F150 Custom 351M C6 (Henry)
>http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
>Dearborn iron rules!!!!!!
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I am not going to argue this point any more, but I will say this. If you
run a 180 you will still have plenty of heat. If you run a 160, you may
have a little less heat. I run a 180 through about march, and then I take
the thing out completely until about September.
BTW - even 50 degree differences in coolant temperatures are not going to
effect combustion chamber temps. Coolant temp acts to lower the temp of
the radiant heat coming through the cylinder walls. You will not affect
combustion chamber temps enough to cause there to be a buildup of carbon in
the cylinder. You are more likely to increase Combustion chamber temp. by
leaning out your fuel mixture. However your point is well taken about oil
thicknesses at lower temps. This problem can be solved by running a
thinner oil. You also have to look at this as a tradeoff too, because your
oil will not burn as quickly if you run your engine at a lower temp.
Brad

The two best times to go fishing are when it is raining, and when it is
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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:05:40 -0800
From: "Wiltzius, Tom"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Great explaination of Cams

Hi
While looking for harley stuff I found this little tidbit about cams.
Great for those of us in the "unschooled masses" ;)

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.compcams.com/valvtim1.html

Enjoy

Tom
Reno,NV
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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 20:08:01 -0500
From: Brad Smith
Subject: [none]

Anyone know where I can get some headers for a 78 4X4 429-460? Hooker and
Hedman both make some, but they want near $400!! No, thats not stainless
either. There not necessary as I already have some on my truck, but they
are rusted all to hell and ones got a nice dent where I articulated just a
little too much (oops).
Oh yeah, anyone got any experiece with a 8 quart oil pan (Moroso) on the
same 4X4 truck? I'd love to have one, but that kinda concerns me
(clearance-wise).

The two best times to go fishing are when it is raining, and when it is
not...
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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 21:11:35 -0500
From: "PmctBaker"
Subject: [none]

I need a muffler.

I have a 85 F-150 351w. the emissions system is back to stock from the
cats. up. it has two cats, and one muffler.
will backpressure be the deciding factor? if so its back to stock.
but I like the sound of a 30" thrush,
what do you all think?

loud in Ohio
mc baker
pmbaker your-net.com
1985 F-1504x4351wc-64bbl


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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 21:48:15 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Virus checking

While the list server will reject emails with a virus (it
rejects all attachments), I still get them in my personal
emailbox. In the position I'm in as admin of the lists,
I get lots of email sent to me personally (about 50 each
day). As such, I've been getting exposed on a daily basis
to the Happy99 virus EXE attached to emails. I run a virus
checker and have since McAfee was a nobody shareware company
in the DOS days. IMHO, using a virus checker is a
fundamental pre-requisite for using a computer and they
don't cost much.

Anyone posting an email to me or the lists with the Happy99
virus attached will be blocked from sending email to our
server in order to prevent possible infection. If you don't
know if you have it, don't post or send me email - you will
be cut off without warning! In other words, use a virus
checker.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts

PS- You won't get a virus from me or the list server. We
update our virus definition files on a monthly basis.

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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:06:22 -0500
From: Joe Delaurentis
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Virus checking

Ken,

the Happy99 Virus is not a VIRUS..Norton Antivirus will not pick it up
the Happy99.exe is a WORM..if you go to www.symnatec.com (the makers of
norton) they have the 5 steps to remove this worm..I did not know i had
it till Ken emailed me (thanks) and I have fixed this problem.
Hope this helps
Joe
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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 21:23:50 -0600
From: "charlest"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re:


>Anyone know where I can get some headers for a 78 4X4 429-460? Hooker and


Try L&L Products near Dallas,TX. (972) 475-5202
Actually, one of their distributers can sell to you for less. I bought mine
from D&B Sales in Morrice, MI. Around $440 for Stainless.




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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 21:15:20 -0600
From: JLS
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Chrome interior trim Question

OK here goes....

I have a 1973 Ford Ranger XLT. The trim in question is the one that goes
around the glovebox, and the airvents on the passenger side of the truck.
The trim in actually some type of metal and it has an indentation where a
piece of woodgrain something (plastic, vinyl, paper??) resides. The trim in
my truck has the woodgrain insert peeling so I went and found another trim
piece of a 70s truck with an lamost perfect insert in it. How do I keep
the insert from peeling any more? Is there any way to put the insert back
into the indentation? Maybe even a replacement insert?

Thanks for the info.

Jeremy L. S.

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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 21:17:28 -0600
From: Paul Smith
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Virus checking

What is the differance between a Worm an a Virus
Paul Smith

Joe Delaurentis wrote:

> Ken,
>
> the Happy99 Virus is not a VIRUS..Norton Antivirus will not pick it up
> the Happy99.exe is a WORM..if you go to www.symnatec.com (the makers of
> norton) they have the 5 steps to remove this worm..I did not know i had
> it till Ken emailed me (thanks) and I have fixed this problem.
> Hope this helps
> Joe
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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 21:43:41 -0600
From: Paul Smith
Subject: FTE 61-79 - carb spacer

I have a 1976 E 350 one ton cube van. 351 W. My question concerns the
intake manifold and carb spacer. It has a 2 BBL carb. The manifold carb
mounting surface consist of three holes: one for each of the two
barrels, and a small slot on the passenger side which has engine exhaust
coming out of it from the exhaust cross over in the intake. A aluminum
carb. spacer about 1 inch tall mounts on this, and the carb. mounts on
the spacer. The alum spacer is machined smooth on the top for the carb
gasket to seal on to. But the bottom of the spacer is open. This allows
exhaust to be pumped directly into the intake manifold. This condition
does not happen right away, but after a few days, the exhaust burns
through the lower gasket between the spacer and manifold. This spacer
does not have any provisions for a EGR valve. The interior of the spacer
is under vacum, with a port on the rear of the spacer for the pcv valve
hose. I have had this truck for 6 years, and it has always ran good. I
finally broke a piston skirt off at the wrist pin, and had the engine
rebuilt. I removed the carb 2 months ago to pull the engine, and
discarded the old gasket. I cant remember what type of gasket it had,
but it worked good for 7 years. All the dealers say the spacer should
have a EGR valve, or the intake should not have the exhaust port to the
carb spacer. I don't think either have been changed from the factory,
and as I said, it ran good for years. The dealer says I need a new
intake manifold without the exhaust hole!
Anyone have any experience with this? After spending all this money
replacing everything on the engine and transmission, it wont run!
Paul Smith

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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 23:00:52 EST
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - msd

when it fails, you are stranded. i had it on my truck, the box,distributor and
coil. the box went out without any warning, on the day i was supposed to pull
in a truck pull. i had to bypass everything and put the stock ignition on to
get it going again, i've often heard that it is common for the boxes to go
out. maybe thats why the winston cup cars have two ignition systems , they're
often switching to the back up ignition.

jeff grant
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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 23:59:43 EST
From: Clemstang1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - thermostat temp for 460

I've always run 195 thermostat in my 460's never had any problems with
overheating or cooling but I have always run a four core radiator. My 73 had
a 460, bored 60 over , mild cam, factory A/C never had any problems with it
overheating but it did have a great heater in the winter.

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