61-79-list-digest Wednesday, March 17 1999 Volume 03 : Number 091



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - VIN Decoding for '66 F-100
FTE 61-79 - Re: Cowl Leak Passenger Side - 68 & 71 F100 (Brakes too)
FTE 61-79 - re:new to list
Re: FTE 61-79 - Leaks
Re: FTE 61-79 - thermostat temp for 460
FTE 61-79 - thermostat temp for 460
FTE 61-79 - Swap Parts
Re: FTE 61-79 - starting problems
FTE 61-79 - Top Loader ID
FTE 61-79 - Installing Wheel Studs
Re: FTE 61-79 - 1965 F-100 engines
Re: FTE 61-79 - cab swap ?
Re: FTE 61-79 - VIN Decoding for '66 F-100
Re: FTE 61-79 - 1965 F-100 engines
Re: FTE 61-79 - 1965 F-100 engines
Re: FTE 61-79 - 1965 F-100 engines
FTE 61-79 - Re:Toploader ID
Re: FTE 61-79 - question about list
Re: FTE 61-79 - 1965 F-100 engines
Re: FTE 61-79 - starting problems
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Daily digests
[none]
Re: FTE 61-79 - starting problems
Re: FTE 61-79 - 1965 F-100 engines
FTE 61-79 - msd
FTE 61-79 - '66 passenger side leak
Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Daily digests
FTE 61-79 - married 205 transfer case info
Re: FTE 61-79 - married 205 transfer case info
FTE 61-79 - Re: (no subject) fe 352 blocks
Re: FTE 61-79 - thermostat temp for 460
FTE 61-79 - Re: Engine and automatic trans
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Engine and automatic trans
Re: FTE 61-79 - question about list
[none]
FTE 61-79 - Re:
FTE 61-79 - Picked up engine and painted body today!! woohoo!!
Re: FTE 61-79 - msd
Re: FTE 61-79 - msd (correction)
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re:
FTE 61-79 - Successful Gas Tank Installation & Possible Obsolete Ford Parts Place
FTE 61-79 - RE: Cowl leak...

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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 07:18:42 EST
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - VIN Decoding for '66 F-100

In a message dated 3/16/99 12:48:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,
imstobu stargate.net writes:
> >Body: 281
> conventional cab
> >DSO: 74
> seattle
> from what i have seen all fe's have 352 on the blocks.
>
The 281 is the interior scheme and the body together. The 2 refers to the
interior which should be Medium Blue Vinyl. I agree with the rest of the
information Phil put in his post. Recently, there has been many threads on
the differences between a 352, 360, 390. Check the archives for the "dowel"
trick. It is one example of a trick you can use to ID the CID without
disassembly. The various CID's of the FE engine use different strokes.
However, due to mix and "match-ability" of the FE parts it is still possible
you might have odd ball piston or rod combo's. Most FE's have the 352. So
that is not indicative of the displacment.

~~Thom B~~
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 07:24:28 -0600
From: "James Elliott"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Cowl Leak Passenger Side - 68 & 71 F100 (Brakes too)

Check you windshielsd gasket, especially if you have chrome trim. When I
took the chrome off of mine I discovered the butt-joint seams in the gasket
actually had separated, one as much as 1/4-inch. This was letting water just
run right in when it rained. And silicone and duct tape do not fix this. I
know. (I am waiting on gasket till ready for paint.) If your floor is
getting soaking wet, and you do not see a water trail so you assume it is
between the firewall pad and firewall, look at the top seam. Mine will
literally drip straight down to the floor when it rains, worst when pointing
up hill.

On the PB. You need a booster and all the linkage between it and the
firewall. Get the link arm that goes to pedal from booster linkage. The
original link arm on my '69 (when using a booster from a '75) was 1-inch to
short and I had to fabricate one. Connect the vacuum booster to manifold
vacuum. Your master cylinder is the same for manual and power.

Jim E.





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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:08:28 -0600
From: Don Yerhot
Subject: FTE 61-79 - re:new to list



Also I have to do a brake job on it,
but I have never had any luck with drum brakes. Plus the bonehead who
owned it before me let the lug nuts seize so bad that wd-40 and a big
friggin breaker bar are not working. Any suggestions?


thanks
joe>>

Jow,
Had the same problem on my old 65. Ended up twisting off several of the
studs. I had to pull the drums off and pound the broken studs out. The
replacement studs are readily available at any auto parts store, either
have them pressed in or use a big hammer. Good luck.

Don
65F250-351W-435NP
84F150-300-C5


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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:14:35 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Leaks

At 01:36 AM 3/16/99 , you wrote:
>Does anyone have any clues on common sources of leaks between the
>firewall and the insulation inside the cab on the above trucks (same
>body styles)? Both have it especially when parked with the nose
>uphill.
>

On some older vehicles, the cowl drains will clog up and end up rusting new
holes through to drain, sometimes those come into the truck/car when this
happens. To check this, look for signs of rust or corrosion through the
grate in front of the windshield. Also if you can get a helper with a
hose, crawl under the dash so you can see where you think its coming from
(I imagine there will be water stains and such), then have the person with
the hose move around the windshield and cowl area til you see the water
trickling in, that will tell you where the leak is coming from ...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:15:59 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - thermostat temp for 460

>You can run what you want to, but I wouldn't run anything higher than a
>180. You are going to extend your engine life by keeping the temperature
>down... If you can get enough heat with a 180, then go with that!
>

Actually this is not true, if you keep the temperature up you will decrease
the wear ... I have a chart I need to scan in that shows cylinder wear vs
cylinder wall temperature ... the higher it is the better off you are. The
difference between 180 and 195 though will not be nearly as noticeable as
160-180 ...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:18:35 -0600
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - thermostat temp for 460

>>You can run what you want to, but I wouldn't run anything higher than a
180. You are going to extend your engine life by keeping the temperature
down... If you can get enough heat with a 180, then go with that!

Helloooo Brad!

At last, someone besides me who doesn't like 205 degree thermostats. I have
a 351M instead of a 460 and I run a 160 degree thermostat year round. I
replaced my radiator last year with the biggest one I could find that would
go under the hood. I also run a stainless steel flex fan.


- -John

jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom 351M C6 (Henry)
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Dearborn iron rules!!!!!!


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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:26:31 -0600
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Swap Parts

>>Yes ! , The windshield and back glass ( rear window ) will interchange
between your 1977 and 1979 trucks . The door glass will also interchange
. I can't be sure about the doors interchanging . Got this info from a
reliable source , my Dad is a long time auto glass installer and
customizing since 1965 . I hope this helps
Rollie H. Hunt , King , N.C.

I believe the doors will swap from 74 through 79 as will front fenders.
There was a variation in body side mouldings through those years as well as
across the model lines, so be prepared to fill and drill. There were also
different rear view mirrors. I had to replace a door and fender this past
summer.


- -John

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1979 F150 Custom 351M C6 (Henry)
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:37:00 -0600
From: Don Yerhot
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - starting problems

Phil,
I just had the same problem when I put a Duraspark into a 69F100. No
spark cranking, battery voltage was at about 12.5 volts. I'd get a
little pop when I turned the key off. It turned out to be an open
connection on the plug going into the distributor. I'd recommend getting
a multimeter and checking for continuity in all the connections.
This just reminded me of my neighbors 78 F150. He used to go out and
crank that thing over for 5 minutes almost every morning. Some days it
would pop right off. One day I went over and took a look at it. It
turned out that insulation on one of the electronic box to distributor
wires had cracked , there was a bare spot that was just barely touching
a ground. We taped it up, from then on it would pop right off.
Good luck

Don
65F250-351W-435NP
84F150-300-C5

In a message dated 3/15/99 3:55:49 PM Pacific Standard Time,
imstobu stargate.net writes:


start
it,
it wont start till I let off of key and other times it starts right up.

having carb problems, so when it stalls I have one heck of a time
starting
it. I tried replacing the ignition switch with a new one today and it
still
wouldn't start till I let off of key, then it started up fine the next
ten
times I tried it. any ideas on where to look?

Phil Beattie
66 F100 390 C6 >>

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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:42:09 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Top Loader ID

For Dr Waterman: I got a chance last evening to "look" at the toploader in my
garage, and this is what I found: Cast into the main housing just barely below
the top cover on the passenger side: C8AR 7006D W1. (this is upside down).
On a tag rivited to the centerline of main case at front edge of tranny is: RUG
AZ on top line - on bottom line is: 011025.

Hope this helps.

For Ross (427Stang): I stand corrected as to strength difference.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 06:43:23 -0800
From: Tim Bowman
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Installing Wheel Studs

A low tech trick I've used to install wheel hub studs to avoid
hammering them in is to put the stud in the hub, slip a slightly
oversize nut over the stud and then screw the lug nut down (it helps
to reverse the lug nut so the flat side faces the inside and the
tapered side faces toward you) which draws the stud into the hub.

Hope this helps.

Tim Bowman
71 F100


> either have them pressed in or use a big hammer. Good luck.
>
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:07:54 +0100
From: "Bill Brox"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1965 F-100 engines

Thanks,

But then, what FE engines was offered in the pickup line for 1965 ? And how
much hp and torque ?

Bill



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> From: Phil
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1965 F-100 engines
> Date: 16. mars 1999 06:45
>
> >
> >I have come across a 1965 F-100 and the owner says it has a 289 engine.
A
> >friend of one I know says that there was no 289 engine in those trucks,
> >only a six, and the FE engine serie. Is this so ?
>
> yes, 289 wasn't offered in the pickup line
>
> Phil Beattie
> 66 F100 390 C6
> 66 F100 (no drivetrain)
> 79 F250 4x4 400
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 07:23:04 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - cab swap ?

barry mitchell wrote:

> Does anyone know if a cab and front wrap from a 64 ford 2wd will fit
> on a 76 4wd frame ????? ( with out a lot of mods )
>
> Barry Mitchell

You will have to move the cab mounts from the 64 chassis to the 76. The
65-66 2 wheel drive will bolt right up. The radiator supports are in the
correct place just a little high 1" or so. The only other mods you would
have to make would be for the clutch linkage, wires, and steering. I think
the biggest hurtles will be the steering. A custom job will have to be
done with that. There is no really big work that needs to be done for the
cab. The bed on the other hand is a completly different story.

- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net

99 Contour SE Sport
63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings.


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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:35:27 EST
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - VIN Decoding for '66 F-100

In a message dated 3/15/99 7:52:43 PM Pacific Standard Time, pladow aha.com
writes:

>

As far as I know, he 352 only identifies this block as an FE. (as if that
nasty intake didn't give it away :) ) And since the 352 and 360 both use the
same stroke, there really is no way of telling which you have. But so long as
your happy, who cares right? I mean, until it comes to rebuild time, you wont
have to worry about which you have, as everything on the outside is
interchangeable. Oh and regarding your oil bath, I have one on my F-600 at
work and I love it. Its just one less thing to worry about during the 5000
mile maintenance.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:37:37 -0500
From: Ted Wnorowski
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1965 F-100 engines

Bill Brox wrote:
>
> Thanks,
>
> But then, what FE engines was offered in the pickup line for 1965 ? And how
> much hp and torque ?
>
> Bill
Engine Code= D
Cyls.= 8
CID= 352
HP= 208
Comp. Ratio= 8.9:1
Carb.=2bbl

Hope this helps.

Ted Wnorowski
Bellevue,OH
'64 F-250
352 FE
4-speed

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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:03:23 +0100
From: "Bill Brox"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1965 F-100 engines

Hi Ted,

Thanks,

Does that mean only the 352 FE engine ? What about the 390 ?

Bill


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> From: Ted Wnorowski
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1965 F-100 engines
> Date: 16. mars 1999 16:37
>
> Bill Brox wrote:
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > But then, what FE engines was offered in the pickup line for 1965 ? And
how
> > much hp and torque ?
> >
> > Bill
> Engine Code= D
> Cyls.= 8
> CID= 352
> HP= 208
> Comp. Ratio= 8.9:1
> Carb.=2bbl
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Ted Wnorowski
> Bellevue,OH
> '64 F-250
> 352 FE
> 4-speed
>
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:10:05 -0500
From: Ted Wnorowski
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1965 F-100 engines

Bill Brox wrote:
>
> Hi Ted,
>
> Thanks,
>
> Does that mean only the 352 FE engine ? What about the 390 ?
>
> Bill

Hi Bill,
Yes, for '65 that was the only V-8 available. The 390 was available in the Fairlane Ranchero in '67&'68. The 360 and the 390 weren't available in the F-series until '68.
> >
> > Ted Wnorowski
> > Bellevue,OH
> > '64 F-250
> > 352 FE
> > 4-speed
> >
>

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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:51:36 EST
From: My427Stang aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re:Toploader ID

The toploader you have, if it is RUG-AZ is the big input 428 Mustang tranny.
It has a tailshaft for Mustangs and is different than a full size. I am VERY
interested if you decide to sell, as it is the correct year and design for
mine, so please give me a shot at it if you decide to sell.

If its a RUG-A2 - its a 390 Fullsize car, and then it is one of the regualr
small shaft toploaders. Let me know what you are doing with it if it is
actually an AZ. Mine has been converted to straight cut gears and no synchros
for drag racing, and really isnt too happy on the street, and I hate to have
to buy a new clutch and adaters to put a fullsize box in, this would really
help.

Thanks - Ross
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:00:39 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - question about list

Phil wrote:
>
> Ken, have a question, im considering buying a 68 bronco I have my eye on.
> would that fall under this list or is there another that covers it? didn't
> see any on the web site. just curious because I have some questions about
> it.

Its covered here.

Ken
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 19:02:01 +0100
From: "Bill Brox"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1965 F-100 engines

oops, that's a pity, the 352 loves gasoline....... ok ok, but it does
matter where I live, cost US$5/gallon.

How about the inline 6 ? what engine was that, the 170, 200 or 240 maybe ?

And how's the weight of an inline 6 compared to the 289 ? I really wonder
what engine they put in the 1965 I've come across. Hope it is not sold when
I go down there to take my Colony Park home... ok, by the way, I live in
Norway.

I also wonder how it is to put a 289 in a F-100 pickup truck, or a 302 for
that matter.

It seems to be a lot to learn here on this list..... thanks a lot for all
help.

I have also heard that the 1965 F-100 is a "rust bucket" as one put it....
Does anyone know where the F-100 rust most, or is it all over ? Is it
caused by lousy paint, or is water trapped in places it won't drain ? And
how's the frame when it comes to rust.


Bill






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> From: Ted Wnorowski
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1965 F-100 engines
> Date: 16. mars 1999 18:10
>
> Bill Brox wrote:
> >
> > Hi Ted,
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Does that mean only the 352 FE engine ? What about the 390 ?
> >
> > Bill
>
> Hi Bill,
> Yes, for '65 that was the only V-8 available. The 390 was available in
the Fairlane Ranchero in '67&'68. The 360 and the 390 weren't available in
the F-series until '68.
> > >
> > > Ted Wnorowski
> > > Bellevue,OH
> > > '64 F-250
> > > 352 FE
> > > 4-speed
> > >
> >
>
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:02:31 -0800
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - starting problems

In a message dated 3/15/99 3:55:49 PM Pacific Standard Time,
imstobu stargate.net writes:


it,
it wont start till I let off of key and other times it starts right up.
having carb problems, so when it stalls I have one heck of a time starting
it. I tried replacing the ignition switch with a new one today and it still
wouldn't start till I let off of key, then it started up fine the next ten
times I tried it. any ideas on where to look?

Phil Beattie
>>

Phil,
I had the same problem on a 76 390 FE with Duraspark. Dad replaced the
ingition control module and the problem went away. Later a friend with a
similar year LTD had the opposite problem. The car would start while the
key was in the crank position but would die when the key was released to the
run position. Since the car was an automatic and we were on the freeway in
the middle of BFE we put the tranny in neutral, started the car and then
dropped into drive while holding the key in the crank position (it was an
automatic). The neutral safety switch disengaged the starter and we turned
around and drove home holding the key in the crank position. From this (and
I cannot verify) it seems the control module has a start side and a run
side. Either one can burn out independantly of the other. Try replacing
the control module (silver box on driverside fenderwell).

Good luck

Tom H
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:07:52 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Daily digests

Please do not email me asking why you aren't getting a
digest every day! I'm sick of the dozen queries each
day. Take a small moment to look at the digest numbers
and you'll see that the digests are consecutive. No
digests are lost and it only takes a small moment of
your time to verify this.

When list traffic slows down, the digests don't meet
the minimum size for transmission on a daily basis.

Ken Payne
Admin
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:06:16 -0800
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: [none]

Now, I'm no expert in identifying engines, but don't the 352, 360 and 390
all
use the same block? I examined the engine, and there is a number cast on
the
block to the right of the timing cover: 352. So it must be a 352. But, it
is possible that somebody could have rebuilt it to a 360, right?

The person who sold me the truck claimed it was a 360. Is there any other
way of identifying the engine short of tearing it down?

=============
Peter,
The 352 was cast in all FEs regardless of the displacement. The only way to
tell a 360 from a 390 is by the stroke. In previous posts someone suggested
using a dowel in the sparkplug hole to measure the stroke. I don't know of
a good way to distinguise a 352.

Tom H
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:13:17 -0800
From: sparky mail.island.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - starting problems

>>Check starter amps and battery voltage while cranking, if they are in the
>>band time to move on.

>The problem im having is its not getting spark, battery is fine, no spark
>till I let go of key, if I give it gas as I let go I can sometimes catch it
>and it starts, I was thinking, on older trucks the ignition runs on around 6
>volts when running, and around 12 volts when starting, is my 79 the same? if
>so could it be that is why mine isn't started, where does it get the 12
>volts? from the starter solenoid? if so I have one off of a 69, would that
>interchange so I could at least eliminate the possibility.
>
>Phil Beattie
>66 F100 390 C6
>66 F100 (no drivetrain)
>79 F250 4x4 400

The 12 volts that is fed to the coil during starting comes from your start
relay "I" terminal. It is a good chance that you arent getting this during
cranking but when you release the key to run you get the 6-8 volts to the
coil thru the run circuit.
Try putting a voltmeter on the + of the coil during cranking and see if
you are getting Voltage. If you arent, put the voltmeter on the "I"
terminal of the start relay and check for voltage during cranking again.
(A) If you get voltage there the wire to your coil from the starter relay
is open. To confirm this run a wire from the "I" terminal to the positive
of the coil, make sure it is clear of all the moving engine parts :) Then
try to start your engine again. If it starts you have confirmed the wire is
open. Now comes the fun of tracing the wire to find the break. Hope it isnt
this it took me a full day to trace mine and repair the damage it caused to
other wires, and I am an aircraft electrician, of course I am a little
picky about wire bundle neatness for the same reason :-)
(B) If you dont get voltage the starter relay is no good. As far as I know
almost all the older starter relays are pretty much interchangeable. The
terminals are all marked also. Just be sure you hook it up the same way.
Hope this helps. And I hope it isnt a wiring problem as they are a pain in
the butt.

Sparky
73F250 4x4
390FE 2v


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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:47:43 -0500
From: Ted Wnorowski
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1965 F-100 engines

Bill Brox wrote:

>
> I have also heard that the 1965 F-100 is a "rust bucket" as one put it....
> Does anyone know where the F-100 rust most, or is it all over ? Is it
> caused by lousy paint, or is water trapped in places it won't drain ? And
> how's the frame when it comes to rust.
>
>

I know my '64 and the '74 F-250 I had, both have the cab corners rotted out.
The '64 also has a problem around the cowl piece and the edge where the windshield seal attaches. I'm waiting to see if our contract goes through before I get that fixed. I haven't got an estimate yet, but it looks pretty expensive.

Ted

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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:01:11 PST
From: "bill comstock"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - msd

hi all,

I also have run MSD for a number of years, the coil plugs into duraspark
2 coil harness, no mods needed. I believe you can get them for about
40~45 bucks. I run this with 8.8mm wires and bosch platinum plugs.
Starts on the first rollover regardless of weather and purrs like a
kitten. Has anyone used the ignition module and dist. pickups from
them. Never had a problem with duraspark and was wondering if this
would be an improvement since my 302 is running stock cam and all.

later,
bill c.
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:08:00 -0800
From: Eric
Subject: FTE 61-79 - '66 passenger side leak

My '66 sprung a leak at the wiper shaft. I think I replaced a small rubber
gasket to fix it.

Eric

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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:33:22 -0500
From: James Oxley
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Daily digests

> When list traffic slows down, the digests don't meet
> the minimum size for transmission on a daily basis.
>

HeeHeeHee!!, a little ironic, don't ya think. People complaining about
not enough mail??


OX
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 19:22:31 -0700
From: GOLDHUNTER
Subject: FTE 61-79 - married 205 transfer case info

Looking for a book or info on the breakdown of a married 205 xfer case.
My dad has an extra one, and wants to go thru it. Thanks,
Colorado-Rick
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 21:28:10 -0500
From: Tony Marino
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - married 205 transfer case info

Hey Rick--

I did a scan of the a set of '78 ford truck shop manuals that I have of the
205-- Colorado Jeff should have them in a .JPG format and if you sweet
talk him he *might* send them to you, or if anybody else on the list
nabbed' them when I put them out. I'd have to dig around to find them, so
if you have a fax number or such, or need me to photocopy them, let me
know. 8-)

Tony Marino
tony pscico.com
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/~tony

At 07:22 PM 3/16/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Looking for a book or info on the breakdown of a married 205 xfer case.
>My dad has an extra one, and wants to go thru it. Thanks,
>Colorado-Rick
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 18:41:58 -0800 (PST)
From: TheFORDMAN webtv.net
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: (no subject) fe 352 blocks

Tom, excuse me for interupting, but if i recall not all fe blocks are
352 castings.
maybe you dont know about industrial 105
FE castings and i am sure some one can back me up on this one because i
have one of those blocks in my 75 F1004x4
just a thought
Eric
aka The Fordman
75F100 4x4 390 4spd
35"tires 7"lift

p.s. Rick or Mark, If one of you guys are still interested in those
springs e-mail me

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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 21:49:42 -0500
From: Brad Smith
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - thermostat temp for 460

At 08:15 AM 3/16/99 -0600, you wrote:
>>You can run what you want to, but I wouldn't run anything higher than a
>>180. You are going to extend your engine life by keeping the temperature
>>down... If you can get enough heat with a 180, then go with that!
>>
>
>Actually this is not true, if you keep the temperature up you will decrease
>the wear ... I have a chart I need to scan in that shows cylinder wear vs
>cylinder wall temperature ... the higher it is the better off you are. The
>difference between 180 and 195 though will not be nearly as noticeable as
>160-180 ...
>
>
>Just my 2cents
>
>wish
>
>Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html
>'73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html
>'96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html
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>
Well, I guess everyone has their own opinion, but I know many people who
will argue your statement about engine life and high temps. One thing
people fail to consider when choosing a thermostat is the fluctuation in
temperature that you get when the thermostat first opens (after statring
the engine cold). The lower that temperature when the thermostat opens
(i.e. a 180 or even 160 thermostat) the less fluctuation in temperature
your engine experiences. Remember the coolant in your radiator is locked
there until that thermostat opens, and if that fluctuation can be as great
as 120-140 degrees. This is what causes the problems. The engine
theoretically has no problem operating at 205, but the fluctuation on cold
startup is what can stress those metals, and even gaskets (head gasket in
particular) and thats what keeps me away from those high temp thermostats.
The two best times to go fishing are when it is raining, and when it is
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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 19:01:15 -0800
From: "Jacques and Barbara DeKalb"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Engine and automatic trans

On Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:45, Mike wrote:

"I am looking to put a bigger 6 cyl motor and automatic trans in my 1964
econoline pickup. How can I tell what would be the best motor and trans for
this swap? i was thinking of the 300 6cyl. Or should I stick a 8cyl in
it???? I have heard of a 302 that will bolt right up to it. Has anyone had
any experience with this type of switch???"

Mike, I have a great article on how to make this switch that I would be glad
to send to you. I took out the 170 from my Econoline pickup and was going
to put in a 302, but ended up putting in a 250 6 cyl which was an improved
version of the old 170-200 block that was used in Mavericks and the likes.
It provided great power- light body/light engine. No matter what you put in,
though, you have to start by rounding up a '65 and later transmission and
bellhousing. You will end up putting in a later motor mount and cutting the
floor if you put in a V-8, with corresponding modifications to the engine
cover. You get to drive around with a warm right hip, too!
Anyway, e-mail me if I can give you more info on this.

Jacques, Bend, Ore





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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 22:22:30 EST
From: L7514 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Engine and automatic trans

About 8 years ago, I swapped a 300 for the origional 240 I-6. It has worked
out great. I feel like I have more power & torque, plus a great, dependable,
maint. free engine. You can't go wrong with a 300 I-6. Only thing is, I did
keep my origional 3spd. tranny. It still get 19mpg. after all this time with
no major eng. work of any kind, so I would recomend a 3 spd. manual if you can
find one without too much difficulty. I have a friend who has an I-6, with an
automatic & he says he doesnt get close to the gas mileage that I do. Just a
recomendation. Good luck.
Lance
1974 F100 Custom I-6, 3spd. manual
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 07:44:48 -0800
From: "jeffd"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - question about list

Join the bronco mail list at Bronco.com. Most of your questions will be
answered in the archives.

Jeff
P.S. you'll love the Bronco

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> From: Phil
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - question about list
> Date: Monday, March 15, 1999 9:55 PM
>
> Ken, have a question, im considering buying a 68 bronco I have my eye on.
> would that fall under this list or is there another that covers it?
didn't
> see any on the web site. just curious because I have some questions about
> it.
>
> Phil Beattie
> 66 F100 390 C6
> 66 F100 (no drivetrain)
> 79 F250 4x4 400
>
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:06:03 -0500
From: Brad Smith
Subject: [none]

For Sale:

1991 Ford E-350 460cid
4X4 conversion
Dual A/C
TV-VCR
Loaded with all the bells and whistles you could dream of

reply to jdsmith4 hotmail.com for more info
The two best times to go fishing are when it is raining, and when it is
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 22:44:37 -0600
From: Stu Varner
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re:

At 10:06 AM 3/16/99 -0800, you wrote:
>
>Now, I'm no expert in identifying engines, but don't the 352, 360 and 390
>all
>use the same block? I examined the engine, and there is a number cast on
>the
>block to the right of the timing cover: 352.


All FE's have 352 cast in block unless it is an FT which is a severe duty
truck application which had a reverse 105 cast in the same place as the 352
on the front corner of the block.

>So it must be a 352.

No.......not necessarily.

But, it
>is possible that somebody could have rebuilt it to a 360, right?
>The person who sold me the truck claimed it was a 360. Is there any other
>way of identifying the engine short of tearing it down?
>
>=============
>Peter,
>The 352 was cast in all FEs regardless of the displacement. The only way to
>tell a 360 from a 390 is by the stroke. In previous posts someone suggested
>using a dowel in the sparkplug hole to measure the stroke. I don't know of
>a good way to distinguise a 352.
>
>Tom H

Guys,

I must also add a few words here on the issue of Identifying 360's or
390's. I picked my
engine up today from the engine builder and told him to save my old pistons
just for grins.
I noticed upon inspection (Jim Elliott will verify, he saw my pistons) they
are *slipper* skirt pistons
not full skirt. This engine was a documented, unopened, 360 original to
the 87,000 mile truck.
Some of the pistons had 360 cast into them and some had 390 4V cast into them.
Go figure! At one point in life on the FTE list, the argument was made
that all 360's had full skirts and all 390's had slippers. Theories tend
to get blown out of the water on occasion! heheheehhe

Another crazy, "Better Idea", from Ford for the 60's and early 70's!


Stu
Nuke GM!
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:28:58 -0600
From: Stu Varner
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Picked up engine and painted body today!! woohoo!!

Ladies and Gents, ( you too Tony ) ;^)

I picked up my engine today from the builder and visited with Jim Elliott
for a minute this morning.
He's just as spirited as always!!! hehehehhehe

I am really impressed with the engine work! I had some other parts
sandblasted and vatted etc. Things are heading in the right direction. I
will not be ready for Pigeon Forge with the truck until 2000. :^(
But, I will be in attendance Fri and Sat for the show this year.

Tomorrow morning (spring break all week!!!!) I will be painting the heads
and sheet metal for the engine including valve covers, air cleaner, heads,
etc.

I also picked up my cab and bed today. It looks sweet!!! The painter shot
a consistent orange peel to replicate a factory finish and this REALLLY
impressed the heck out of me considering this guy is only 26 but has the
experience of a seasoned, 40 year veteran!! He will lightly color sand the
body to remove imperfections in 2 to 3 months after the paint has cured.
The paint man applied 2 gallons of PPG Delstar Acrylic Enamel and needs
another gallon to finish the other 2 coats on the doors , tailgate, hood
and other miscellaneous parts which I will get Thursday morning. He shot 4
coats covering every painted part of the truck including the inside of the
cab and firewall as well as the inside the bed. Can you say DEEP paint???

WOW! What a day!! I would have *never* attempted a frame off resto
without the confidence gained form the list
members! Thanks Ken, Thanks list members!!!!!! I think I am about to
shed a tear of joy and smoke an Arturo Fuente 858 to signify the half way
mark! :^)

It is sooooo nice working with clean parts!

Later on! I will have pictures posted to my home page in a few weeks!
Stay tuned, I will announce when they are ready for viewing. Hey, where's
my camera?????

Stu
Nuke GM!
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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 00:46:26 EST
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - msd

In a message dated 3/16/99 1:13:27 PM Pacific Standard Time,
billcomstock hotmail.com writes:


them. >>
Yes, I have what MSD calls their Ford Standard Distributor with pickup.
Personally I cannot detect any differences, performance wise, with this
distributor over a stock Ford. The only way I can justify this distributor is
I keep telling myself if must be a **$% fine one for the price I paid. Also,
it goes well with the MSD theme and motif of my engine compartment. For
street and daily use I think the money paid for the control box is where you
get your bang for the buck. In other words stay with what you have.
Burt Hill Kennewick Wa 1972 F-250 4x4 460
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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 01:00:44 EST
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - msd (correction)

In a message dated 3/16/99 9:52:46 PM Pacific Standard Time,
SHill48337 aol.com writes:


street and daily use I think the money paid for the control box is where you
get your bang for the buck. In other words stay with what you have. >>

For some reason I thought you had the MSD control module, after rereading your
post I think it is clear your are running your Dura-Spark. You will get
improved performance with the MSD control module, but do not bother with the
pickup and distributor unless you are going racing.
Burt Hill Kennewick Wa 1972 F-250 4x4 460
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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 01:04:51 -0500
From: Ted Wnorowski
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re:

Stu Varner wrote:

> Another crazy, "Better Idea", from Ford for the 60's and early 70's!

Anything I've ever read about Henry Ford, always mentions the fact that he never wasted anything.
Sounds like it carried on through the decades.

Ted Wnorowski

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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 00:39:18 -0600
From: JLS
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Successful Gas Tank Installation & Possible Obsolete Ford Parts Place

For those of you that responded to my questions about the removal of my gas
tank I will proceed to tell you how it went, and at the end I'll give the
name, address, and phone number for an obsolete ford parts place I used.
Also a note about the JC Whitney gas tanks for those looking to replace
theirs.

I was just going to have the tank cleaned and then put it back in, but my
dad decided to replace the tank for me. So we pulled the tank of on
Saturday, and lo and behold the tank was very rusty on the inside and the
sending unit was also rusting. We first ordered the gas tank from JC
Whitney. We searched all the ford catalogs that we had a no one had the
little suckers. So I went into town (Austin, TX) and talked to a guy at
AutoZone and he said he couldn't get one and to try talking to the ford
house. So I meandered on over to a ford dealer in town and he searched all
his records and finally came to the conclusion that the part I needed was
obsolete and that he couldn't acquire it. He did manage to give me the ford
part number for it and gave me a phone number to try calling and order the
part. I called the place and they had it and I had them overnight deliver
from Ohio to Austin, TX. It came very quickly and was well packaged. On the
same day that the sending unit came the gas tank arrived from JC Whitney. So
on the night of March 16, 1999 (Tuesday Night) my dad and I decided to put
the new gas tank in the truck. We had one heck of time but we finally got
everything put in. It should be noted that the JC Whitney gas tank did NOT,
I repeat did NOT, fit like it should. It was 1/4 of an inch to wide. That
1/4 makes a BIG difference. We ended up having to bend the metal tabs on the
side of the tank down to fit the tank in correctly. The reason for the need
to have the tabs bent down can be seen on the original gas tank.
Approximately in the middle of the tank on the sides are indentations in the
tabs on the side of the tank. These are present to accommodate the bolts
that hold the spare tire on the underside of the tank. If these bolts were
not present the tank would probably have fit perfectly. Once we had bent the
tabs sown on each side of the tank everything fit perfectly. From there it
was just a matter of reconnecting the hoses and putting some gas in the
tank. I then connected the battery back up, pumped the gas pedal a couple of
times and it started up perfectly. The gas gauge even read exactly right.

Here's the info for the company I got my sending unit from. The number that
is below is just an ordering line. You just give them the ford part number
and they find it for you. They don't know what the thing is your ordering so
you might want to try writing them and seeing if they have a catalog or
something.

Green Sales Company

2172 Seymour

Cincinnati, OHIO 45237

1-800-543-4959

It appears as if the JC Whitney gas tanks do NOT exactly fit my 73 f-100.
The original tank measured 34 and 1/2 inches wide and the new tank measured....

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