61-79-list-digest Tuesday, March 16 1999 Volume 03 : Number 090



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - Kingpin removal tool?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Kingpin removal tool?
FTE 61-79 - Re: Power Steering for a '68 F-250
FTE 61-79 - Re: Power Steering for a '68 F-250
FTE 61-79 - Gordon, and bad stuck
Re: FTE 61-79 - Kingpin removal tool?
FTE 61-79 - WANTED...
FTE 61-79 - Ford Centurion
FTE 61-79 - Power Brake Conversion
FTE 61-79 - Duraspark update-Cam question
FTE 61-79 - name
FTE 61-79 - Re: Shorty FE haeders
Re: FTE 61-79 - name
FTE 61-79 - Toploader ID
FTE 61-79 - FE/Rebuild stuffs
Re: FTE 61-79 - Toploader ID
Re: FTE 61-79 - stuck in the mud
FTE 61-79 - I.D. on a 351m400 block
Re: FTE 61-79 - Toploader ID
FTE 61-79 - Electronic Ign
FTE 61-79 - Engine and automatic trans
Re: FTE 61-79 - I.D. on a 351m400 block
FTE 61-79 - Dist interchangeability
FTE 61-79 - Power steering on '61-64's?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Pertronix electronic ignition
Re: FTE 61-79 - Pertronix electronic ignition
Re: FTE 61-79 - Pertronix electronic ignition
Re: FTE 61-79 - Pertronix electronic ignition
Re: FTE 61-79 - I.D. on a 351m400 block
FTE 61-79 - Power Steering for a '68 F-250
Re: FTE 61-79 - Power Steering for a '68 F-250
FTE 61-79 - 3+1 Overdrive Tranny
FTE 61-79 - starting problems
FTE 61-79 - VIN Decoding for '66 F-100
Re: FTE 61-79 - 3+1 Overdrive Tranny
Re: FTE 61-79 - VIN Decoding for '66 F-100
FTE 61-79 - Josh's Manual Steering Box
Re: FTE 61-79 - Toploader ID
Re: FTE 61-79 - VIN Decoding for '66 F-100
Re: FTE 61-79 - Electronic Ign
FTE 61-79 - new to list
Re: FTE 61-79 - Pertronix electronic ignition
Re: FTE 61-79 - thermostat temp for 460
Re: FTE 61-79 - Kingpin removal tool?
FTE 61-79 - cab swap ?
Re: FTE 61-79 - starting problems
Re: FTE 61-79 - VIN Decoding for '66 F-100
Re: FTE 61-79 - Swap Parts
Re: FTE 61-79 - Electronic Ignition
Re: FTE 61-79 - starting problems
Re: FTE 61-79 - Pertronix electronic ignition
Re: FTE 61-79 - VIN Decoding for '66 F-100
FTE 61-79 - 1965 F-100 engines
Re: FTE 61-79 - 1965 F-100 engines
FTE 61-79 - question about list
FTE 61-79 - Cowl Leak Passenger Side - 68 & 71 F100

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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 03:56:54 -0800
From: John Lord
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Kingpin removal tool?

Last time i used a torch and a 20 ton press.

Mike Pacheco wrote:
>
> I have looked everywhere to find information on what tool I need to make to
> remove kingpins, could someone give me a hint. I looked in the tech section
> with no luck?
>
> Mike in Burien
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 03:56:54 -0800
From: John Lord
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Kingpin removal tool?

Last time i used a torch and a 20 ton press.

Mike Pacheco wrote:
>
> I have looked everywhere to find information on what tool I need to make to
> remove kingpins, could someone give me a hint. I looked in the tech section
> with no luck?
>
> Mike in Burien
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 06:54:20 -0600
From: "James Elliott"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Power Steering for a '68 F-250

I cannot swear about the F-250, as I do not know the particulars of the
suspension, but assuming it is the same as an F-100 (other than spring
rates), I do not think you will need to change the Pitman arm, but it
wouldn't hurt to grab it in case. The drag link should be the same (given
the supposition). However, I think you will find you need to change the
steering column, that the PS version will be shorter.

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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 07:00:04 -0600
From: "James Elliott"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Power Steering for a '68 F-250

Oh, forgot, yes, it is was OE to have the cooler. An alternative is using
the cooler from a mid-70's. It is a different arrangement. It is basically
just hard tubing that bends back and forth, and mounts up flat against the
inside of the frame on the driver's side near the front. This gets the
cooler out of the way and looks a little more sanitary. On the comments of
assumption re: the F-250 suspension, having never worked on one, I cannot
recall from group discussion if they are twin-I-beam or solid axle that
year.

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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 07:02:07 -0600
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Gordon, and bad stuck

>
> i went to the crackerbarrel 500 today, sissy gordon wins again, i pulled for
> martin hard, i guess third is ok, but you should have seen the distance
> between them, i still believe gordon is cheating some how.

You have to wonder sometimes, don't you. He can be back in 20th place
and here you go 50 laps from the end, there he is. I also wonder why
you don't see any of the other Monte Carlos capable of dominating. The
Fords have Jarrett, Martin, or Burton who can swap races week after
week. Most any of the Fords can run up front, even after being
aerodynamically penalized, and 3-4 tries to hobble their engines in the
last 3 years. But you have one Chevy, Gordon who can run away from all
of these strong cars. You really do have to wonder. Gordon is a very
good driver and Evernham is a great crew chief, but there are alot of
good drivers and crew chiefs out there, and I'm not entirely convinced
that this is why he is so dominant.

Too bad about the stuck. Let's see you get to repack your hubs, and
change your diff, trans, engine, t-case oils. And you ain't scraped off
nothin' till you scrape off clay. We'll see you in late April or so.
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 05:26:34 -0800
From: Mike Pacheco
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Kingpin removal tool?

Thank you Steve

sdelanty sonic.net wrote:

> At 07:51 PM 3/14/99 -0800, you wrote:
> >I have looked everywhere to find information on what tool I need to make to
> >remove kingpins, could someone give me a hint. I looked in the tech section
> >with no luck?
>
> Seek and Ye shall find. Start here:
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty/tools/
>
> Steve
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty
>
> "There are no stupid questions... just stupid people."
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:40:42 -0500
From: Rob Long
Subject: FTE 61-79 - WANTED...

Hey guys... Does anyone know of any 78-79 pickups for sale? Pref - 4x4,
manual trans, V8.... in the Ohio or surrounding area??

- --
Long
mailto:rob_long bigfoot.com

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battery is dead?"


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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 07:43:36 -0600
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Ford Centurion

Thanks for all of the info on this beast. It's good to find out I'm not
totally crazy. More than one person has told me I dreamed it up.

Rich, I would love to see some pictures. Let us know when you get them posted.


- -John

jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom 351M C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!!!


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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 06:08:02 -0800
From: Tim Bowman
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Power Brake Conversion

I would like to install power brakes on my father's '68 Ford Ranger.

What all do I have to change? Obviously I need to change the master
cylinder and add a booster with probably a longer push rod from the
brake pedal. What else?

Thanks,

Tim Bowman

PS: I do have a 71 F100 to serve as a reference point.
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:51:38 -0600
From: Don Yerhot
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Duraspark update-Cam question

A while back I had a post about a DurasparkII that I wasn't getting any
spark with. Anyway, I dug out my Ohmmeter and found an open in the
connection between the wiring harness and the distributor. (The orange
wire) When I pulled the connector plug out of the doner truck at the
junkyard, I must have tugged a bit hard and broke the wire. Anyway, I
bypassed around the connector and it works great. BTW, the Duraspark box
does NOT need to be grounded. Thanks to all the guys who responded to
that post.
Now I've got a question about a used cam. A buddy of mine has a used
CompCam with less than 5000 miles on it, but when he took it out, he
just threw all the lifters loose in a box. I can get this cam for
$20.00, and install a new set of lifters, but I've read that you should
always install a new cam if you're replacing lifters and vice versa.
Just wondering if I should risk it, or bite the bullet and buy a cam kit
from Summit or PAW. Any feedback would be appreciated.

Don Yerhot
65 F250-351W-435NP (The Green Beast)

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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:03:12 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - name

William Hart writes: >>Is it like A-Z or is it ahh-z ?

Neither actually. Like the prepositrion "as" with an "e" on the end. I've
been called a lot of things much worse, so pronunciation is not of real
importance to me. The last name isn't any better. My Grandfather immigrated to
this country from Sweden when he was 16, and my parents thought I should carry
the Sweedish name, and thats OK with me. Unless we are of American Indian
desdcendancy, then all of us came from somewhere else.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 07:08:57 -0800 (PST)
From: draco pacifier.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Shorty FE haeders

William Ballinger wrote regarding the FPA Galaxie shorties:
> I don't think they would work on my '65 either.

Thanks for the additional info. Although the guy with the '66
(probably lifted) said they worked.
Are there differences in the frame between '65 and '66?

> That's a good looking engine, is it out of a '65 Galaxie?

I don't know. I assume they were taken in Stan's shop.
Personally I like the engine on the cover of the Steve Christ
HTRBBFE book I picked up recently. Makes me wish I used dark
blue on mine. I have got to find some aluminum valve covers.

Mark in Southwest Washington
www.pacifier.com/~draco
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'74 F-250 Supercab

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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 09:09:51 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - name

>importance to me. The last name isn't any better. My Grandfather
immigrated to
>this country from Sweden when he was 16, and my parents thought I should carry
>the Sweedish name, and thats OK with me.

Hey, that's great! Its rare that people mis pronounce my name (Bill Hart
?), so I always feel bad when I miss pronounce someone elses...


Unless we are of American Indian
>desdcendancy, then all of us came from somewhere else.

So true ... even then there's theories about that ... :)

:)
wish
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:17:40 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Toploader ID

Dr Waterman writes: >>azie- how do you recognize one in a junkyard?

I'm sure there are #'s that ID the toploader, but I do not have those #'s. It
looks like any FOMOCO 3 speed of the same years of availability except these
things: The top of the tranny has the access plate rather than the side. It
has 3 levers on the left(drivers) side for gear selection rather than 2. There
is a difference in the ones that were offered behind the 289/302/351's and the
ones that came behind the 390/427/428's, but it was in gear ratios - not brute
strength, and they looked identical. They were never offered in trucks to my
knowledge, but were quite popular in Mustangs/Torinos/Fairlane's and Galaxies
etc. from '62 thru the early/mid '70's(maybe a bit later, but not much).
I have one at home someplace, and will try to see if I can locate any
distinguishing #'s for you. Don't expect it real soon as I'm expecting my 7th
Grandchild just any day now. I know that Grandfathers play no roll in giving
birth, but I've been there for all 6 previous ones, and I don't plan to miss
this one either.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 09:36:33 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FE/Rebuild stuffs

Well all, dropped the crank in this weekend, or tried anyway. Was doin the
plasti-gauge thing, but the bearings are comin up barely in spec
(.0020-.0025), since I'm not buildin a race motor, I was hopin they'd be a
little tighter. Does the cold affect the plastigauge much ? Its been
barely above freezing (though tonight when I get home it should be 50+ woo
hoo :). Anyway those of you who've used it (successfully), do you lay it
across the whole journal, or just a part of it ? Did you have oil grooves
all the way around the bearings, or just in 1/2 the bearing ? Will this
affect the results ? I'm plannin on calling the machine shop today to see
what he has to say about this, and I guess I wouldn't have to worry about
knocking and such since it is all new and within spec, but still, its not a
race motor, I just use the truck to commute and play...

Also while I was looking at the crank I finally found some casting numbers.
So all you part # guru's, what crank do I have ?
Front counter weight : 39 (38?) cast into it)
3rd counter weight : (front of the 2,6 journal) AMS 832
4th counter weight : (rear of 3,7 journal) R10 M10 (might be 0's might
be o's)

Now that I think about it the 39 on the front might indicate a 390 ???
Anyway that's all I saw on it.

As for the shortie's thing ... Marko, I see what you're talking about on
the passenger's side, lemme look at your website again at the passenger's
side ...(added a link to your page off of my links page, hope that's okay:)
... I'll measure it tonight, but it looks like the collector is right
where the pipe is running on mine ... you'll probably end up hookin the
pipe back in towards the tranny to get around the frame, but it looks
similar to what I have now with the stock manifolds (the "log" on the
passenger's side).

Thanks guys, lemme know what you know now ...

wish
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:51:01 -0500 (EST)
From: CLARE WATERMAN
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Toploader ID

thanks for the info azie- good luck with the deliivery


clare

On Mon, 15 Mar 1999
am14 daimlerchrysler.com wrote:

> Dr Waterman writes: >>azie- how do you recognize one in a junkyard?
>
> I'm sure there are #'s that ID the toploader, but I do not have those #'s. It
> looks like any FOMOCO 3 speed of the same years of availability except these
> things: The top of the tranny has the access plate rather than the side. It
> has 3 levers on the left(drivers) side for gear selection rather than 2. There
> is a difference in the ones that were offered behind the 289/302/351's and the
> ones that came behind the 390/427/428's, but it was in gear ratios - not brute
> strength, and they looked identical. They were never offered in trucks to my
> knowledge, but were quite popular in Mustangs/Torinos/Fairlane's and Galaxies
> etc. from '62 thru the early/mid '70's(maybe a bit later, but not much).
> I have one at home someplace, and will try to see if I can locate any
> distinguishing #'s for you. Don't expect it real soon as I'm expecting my 7th
> Grandchild just any day now. I know that Grandfathers play no roll in giving
> birth, but I've been there for all 6 previous ones, and I don't plan to miss
> this one either.
>
> Azie
> Ardmore, Al.
>
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Clare M. Waterman-Storer, Ph.D.
Department of Biology
University of North Carolina
Chapel Hill, NC, 27599-3280

T: (919)-962-2354
F: (919)-962-1625


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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:59:04 -0500
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - stuck in the mud

I went to the crackerbarrel 500 today, sissy gordon wins again, i pulled
for martin hard, i guess third is ok, but you should have seen the
distance between them, i still believe gordon is cheating some how.

Martin is the man in Nascar...I really don't think Gordon is cheating as
much as I think Nascar favors Chevy...You seen what happened when the
Taurases come out...even the guys that couldn't drive were beating the
Cheverolets, but the made them change the taurases..still haven't
finished changing them...wait when the monte come out bet Chevy don't
have to change their car. I don't get if one car is better then the
other why do you make the superior car weaker instead of forcing the
weaker to be stronger?
Sorry if this is off topic but I had to vent my opinion
Chris
94 lightning #381
NLOC #238
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 11:15:51 +0000
From: "MARK DAVIES"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - I.D. on a 351m400 block

I bought the book Dave, thats why you havent heard from me its pretty
good , i placed a post a few days ago and worded it wrong i meant to
say if the 400 piston is the same as the 351c then how does this bump
my compression rating up are you talking a domed piston or just a
flat top same as the 400 I uderstand that heads from a 70-71 351c
with the smaller combustion chamber would bump it up to 9.6:1 but how
does a piston with the same compression height make a diff. what is
the idea of using the 351c piston what am i missing? is it for
availability reasons?


My actual question is im still trying to figure out if i have a 351m
or a 400 crank in my block the numbers i found so far are as follows
on engine block cast in by starter D1AE-6015-AO NEXT # I FOUND WAS
on vibration damper D5AE-BA same # under valve cover D5AE-BA also
found 202 and 4H29 under valve cover and the Michigan casting
center logo. next to the oil sending unit cast into the block i
found was the ford logo and # DIF and a big lonely 2 on the top
next to the sending unit stamped into the smooth face i read # 1R or
B 504755 im not to sure on the 4 the numbers were pretty worn i
cant seem to find any other numbers on the counter weight i found one
on the inside facing the oil pan had to use a mirror to read it it
didnt resemble any numbers in the book like 5m or 5ma or 1k nothing
like these i could find, any ideas as to what it is or where else i
could look i read something about a build date and stuff on the front
of the engine in the lower right corner i cant fid anything there
where can i find this # thanks Dave and all that can and have
helped.... Mark Davies
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:16:30 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Toploader ID

>> Dr Waterman writes: >>azie- how do you recognize one in a junkyard?
>>
>> I'm sure there are #'s that ID the toploader, but I do not have those #'s.
> It

Check www.wrljet.com he's got a page about identifying and numbers for
toploaders ...haven't checked the page cause its all greek to me when it
comes to trannies.


Don't expect it real soon as I'm expecting my 7th
>> Grandchild just any day now. I know that Grandfathers play no roll in
giving
>> birth, but I've been there for all 6 previous ones, and I don't plan to miss
>> this one either.
>>
Good luck and best wishes to the whole family Azie


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 11:24:27 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Electronic Ign

Sparky writes: >>Or better yet was the 390FE ever produced with the electronic
ignition?

The 1976 had FE and Electronic Ign.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:45:12 -0600
From: "Mike"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Engine and automatic trans

I am looking to put a bigger 6 cyl motor and automatic trans in my 1964
econoline pickup. How can I tell what would be the best motor and trans for
this swap? i was thinking of the 300 6cyl. Or should I stick a 8cyl in
it???? I have heard of a 302 that will bolt right up to it. Has anyone had
any experience with this type of switch???

Mike
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 09:00:42 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - I.D. on a 351m400 block

The 400 piston isn't a flat top, at least the aftermarket ones you can buy
aren't. It's dished and with the stock size comb chamber will yield a C:R of
about 8:1. There are a variety of 351C pistons on the market which can be
used in the 400, the OEM replacement #177s from KB are flat tops and will
give a 400 about 9.3-9.5:1.

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From: MARK DAVIES
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, March 15, 1999 8:15 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - I.D. on a 351m400 block


I bought the book Dave, thats why you havent heard from me its pretty
good , i placed a post a few days ago and worded it wrong i meant to
say if the 400 piston is the same as the 351c then how does this bump
my compression rating up are you talking a domed piston or just a
flat top same as the 400 I uderstand that heads from a 70-71 351c
with the smaller combustion chamber would bump it up to 9.6:1 but how
does a piston with the same compression height make a diff. what is
the idea of using the 351c piston what am i missing? is it for
availability reasons?





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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:20:35 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Dist interchangeability

Sparky writes: >>Are all FE distributors interchangeable?

Yes.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:50:56 -0800
From: "sam weatherby"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Power steering on '61-64's?

I was looking at a pre'65 truck at the junkyard recently and noticed the
steering setup is strange.
Are those guys pout of luck trying to get power steering??
-srw

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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:49:18 -0800
From: sparky mail.island.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Pertronix electronic ignition

>> One more question what year/displacement am I looking for in a donor
>>engine to replace my 390FE distributor?
>
> '75-'76 FE's had Duraspark. You can also get rebuilt ones at the
> auto parts store. Tell the parts guy you've got a '75 truck with
> a 360 and they should give you the right thing...
> I use a D-spark dist on my FE390. I like it. Use it with the D-spark
> box or an MSD. Never screw around with points again. YES!
>
> Steve
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty

Thanks alot Steve. Now armed with this info the "hunt" can begin. Only
trouble is the more I read this list the longer my "to do" list for my
truck gets, good thing I enjoy repairing/modifying everything in my spare
time :)
By the way what is an MSD? I bet it isnt short for MicroSoft Diagnostic ;)

Sparky
73F250 4x4
390FE 2v

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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:59:59 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Pertronix electronic ignition

I believe MSD stands for Multi Spark Discharge.

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> By the way what is an MSD? I bet it isnt short for MicroSoft Diagnostic ;)



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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:59:59 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Pertronix electronic ignition

I believe MSD stands for Multi Spark Discharge.

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> By the way what is an MSD? I bet it isnt short for MicroSoft Diagnostic ;)



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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:36:41 -0800
From: "Josh Assing"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Pertronix electronic ignition

Found this on the Seattle.Forsale.Misc NG

Looks nice..
1974 Ford Four wheel drive F-100 for sale. Read all about it
and see some pictures at

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.halcyon.com/synapse/truck/
Cheers
- -josh

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NOTE: It is NOT my truck. Please do NOT reply to this posting.
For more info please call 425-742-3644 or e-mail dschy gte.net

390 V-8, C-6 automatic, 1/2 ton, Warn
hubs, Dana axles, air conditioning, new tires, new 4 barrel Holley
carb,
135,000 miles. Tags good until April, 2000. Good interior, aluminum
canopy with sliders, bed liner, rail guards, diamond plate bumper
and
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 15:43:33 -0700
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - I.D. on a 351m400 block

>From: MARK DAVIES
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - I.D. on a 351m400 block
>
>...i meant to say if the 400 piston is the same as the 351c
>then how does this bump my compression rating up
>are you talking a domed piston or just a flat top same
>as the 400 ... how
>does a piston with the same compression height make
>a diff. what is the idea of using the 351c piston what am
>i missing?

Yo Mark:

As Bill B. mentioned, nobody makes a flat top piston for the Ford 400 anymore.
All the 400 pistons that I know of are dished w/ 12-16cc clearance built into
the piston top. Using a flat top 351C piston will allow you to increase the
compression in a 400 w/out any machining of the block and head mating surfaces.

>I uderstand that heads from a 70-71 351c with the smaller
>combustion chamber would bump it up to 9.6:1 but

The heads you are referring to are the early 351C 4V heads, which are unsuitable
for producing power below 3K rpm (i.e., a truck engine) because of their large
ports.

>on engine block cast in by starter D1AE-6015-AO

Your engine block is from a first generation 400, '71-'72.

>on vibration damper D5AE-BA

The crankshaft damper is from a 351M.

>same # under valve cover D5AE-BA

The heads are M-block cylinder heads cast after the 351C was discontinued. They
are essentially the same as the 351C 2V heads.

>next to the oil sending unit cast into the block i
>found was the ford logo and # DIF and a big
>lonely 2 on the top next to the sending unit
>stamped into the smooth face i read # 1R or
>B 504755

That's the date code of the block casting. You have to look really closely to
figure them out sometimes. Date codes consist of a single number that
represents the year (1=1971), a letter A-M that represents the month, and 2
digits that represent the day. The big "2" and the "DIF" probably refer to the
work shift or production line in the casting plant.

>i cant seem to find any other numbers on the
>counter weight i found one on the inside facing the
>oil pan had to use a mirror to read it it didnt
>resemble any numbers in the book

To find the crankshaft casting number, you should look at the outer edge of the
first counterweight (the one toward the front of the engine). Try cleaning it
w/ some solvent or something. Every one I have seen is pretty clear.

>i read something about a build date and stuff on
>the front of the engine in the lower right corner i
>cant fid anything there where can i find this #

If it's there, it would be on the front machined face of the integral timing
cover, right where the gasket goes between the front cover plate and the block.
This date would only tell you when the engine was originally assembled. It is
generally a few days after the casting date. It might be useful if you're
having trouble decoding the casting date on top of the block.

Dave R. (M-block devotee)


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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:15:47 -0800
From: "O'Connor"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Power Steering for a '68 F-250

Doss,
From my recent experience on a 66 F100, the 72 P/S should fit on a 68. Be
sure to get the Pitman arm from the 72 vehicle along with the engine
pulley. Also, the steering column and shaft will have to be cut down if
you don't change out the whole column. I have a list of parts that 68
F100's used from the factory if you are interested.

Tim
66 F100 w/352
3-speed w/OD
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 15:19:34 -0800
From: "sam weatherby"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Power Steering for a '68 F-250

>From my recent experience on a 66 F100, the 72 P/S should fit on a 68. Be
>sure to get the Pitman arm from the 72 vehicle along with the engine

Pitman arm??
We took the box from a '72 f-250 and put it on a '65 F100 without any
swapping of pitman arms.
-srw

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'70 Grabber Sportsroof Mustang
'93 F-150 XLT Lightning
'98 HD FXD Super Glide
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:44:28 -0800
From: "O'Connor"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 3+1 Overdrive Tranny

Nabo,
I'm not sure what a 3+1 overdrive is; but a have an original overdrive in
my 66 F100 and it works fine. That same overdrive was offered in 68 also.
It depends if you want to stay original or not. Get back with me if you
want more info on where to get one.

Tim
66 F100 w/352
3-speed w/OD
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:45:30 -0500
From: "Phil"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - starting problems

having starting problems with my 79 pickup, sometimes when I go to start it,
it wont start till I let off of key and other times it starts right up.
having carb problems, so when it stalls I have one heck of a time starting
it. I tried replacing the ignition switch with a new one today and it still
wouldn't start till I let off of key, then it started up fine the next ten
times I tried it. any ideas on where to look?

Phil Beattie
66 F100 390 C6
66 F100 (no drivetrain)
79 F250 4x4 400

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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 15:54:45 -0800
From: "Peter LaDow"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - VIN Decoding for '66 F-100

I recently purchased a '66 Ford F-100 Twin-I Beam as a project truck. To
help figure out what should be the drivetrain, I purchased a Chilton's
book (and now find that they are not recommended) to decoded the VIN and
how to do repairs I've never done before.

The VIN# for my truck is F10YR748378. According to the Chilton book, it is
to be decoded as:

F10 Y R 748378
^^^ ^ ^ ^^^^^^
| | | |
F-100 360 Factory?? Sequence??

But, here's the problem. According to Chilton, the only valid engine codes
for 1966, are D,E, and F, the 352, 361 and 391 respectively. The 360 wasn't
available until 1970. Yet my VIN has a Y, the 360.

Is Chilton wrong? Also, what factory ( if this is the factory code) does R
refer to?

Peter LaDow
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 15:55:06 -0800
From: "sam weatherby"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 3+1 Overdrive Tranny

>my 66 F100 and it works fine. That same overdrive was offered in 68 also.
>It depends if you want to stay original or not. Get back with me if you
>want more info on where to get one.
>
>Tim

I am interested in this. My '65 however, has a 302.
Were these common trannies? Anyone know if I will have any luck finding one
for a 302?
-srw


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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 19:47:53 -0500
From: "Ted & Sarah Freeman"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - VIN Decoding for '66 F-100

You're probably correct that the 360 wasn't available in the '66, but it was
available in '68 and I believe it was introduced in '67 but I'm not sure.
The "R" is "I think" the code for the San Jose assy. plant.

Later,

- -Ted
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Date: Monday, March 15, 1999 6:51 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - VIN Decoding for '66 F-100


>I recently purchased a '66 Ford F-100 Twin-I Beam as a project truck. To
>help figure out what should be the drivetrain, I purchased a Chilton's
>book (and now find that they are not recommended) to decoded the VIN and
>how to do repairs I've never done before.
>
>The VIN# for my truck is F10YR748378. According to the Chilton book, it is
>to be decoded as:
>
> F10 Y R 748378
> ^^^ ^ ^ ^^^^^^
> | | | |
> F-100 360 Factory?? Sequence??
>
>But, here's the problem. According to Chilton, the only valid engine codes
>for 1966, are D,E, and F, the 352, 361 and 391 respectively. The 360
wasn't
>available until 1970. Yet my VIN has a Y, the 360.
>
>Is Chilton wrong? Also, what factory ( if this is the factory code) does R
>refer to?
>
>Peter LaDow
>pladow aha.com
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.aha.com
>
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 19:04:08 -0800
From: "Steve Schmeckpeper"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Josh's Manual Steering Box

Josh, Lost your e-mail address so sending to list. The manual box you refer
to that takes S.A.E. 90 Extreme Pressure Lubricant is a "Gemmer" type. I
believe Ford used a "Saginaw" type. See page U220 assembly step #8....
"Lubricate steering gear with 11 oz. of steering gear grease. I've been
using Ford spec lithium grease in mine. Same as for the front wheel bearings
:^) My Climer book gives the recommended lubricant as.....Steering Gear
Grease Ford # C3AZ-19578-A.
Smeck,
79 F100
FTE "Brain Trust"

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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:12:42 EST
From: My427Stang aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Toploader ID

There is a difference in the 428CJ toploader in strength, its got a big input
and output shaft, 1 3/8 vs 1 1/16 or so, I have one of each in the shed. The
big shaft doesnt even use the same output yoke, its a monster compared to the
390 piece. The 390 ones, NOT the same as the CJ box, are identical to the
small block ones. The 1 3/8 shaft only came on Boss 429's and 428CJ and SCJ
cars, I know, I had to pay for it.......
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:35:31 EST
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - VIN Decoding for '66 F-100

>> The VIN# for my truck is F10YR748378. According to the Chilton book,

Your engine code "Y" is a 352. The only other engine codes for 1966 trucks
were A= 6 cyl. 240 cid or B= 6 cyl. 300 cid. If your truck has a 360 someone
swapped it for the original motor. Do you know what motor is actually in the
truck?

~~Thom B~~
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:42:38 EST
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Electronic Ign

In a message dated 3/15/99 8:38:02 AM Pacific Standard Time,
am14 daimlerchrysler.com writes:

>Or better yet was the 390FE ever produced with the
electronic
ignition?

The 1976 had FE and Electronic Ign.

Azie
Ardmore, Al. >>

My 1975 F-100 390 2WD has stock electronic Ignition.
Burt Hill Kennewick Wa 1972 F-250 4x4 460
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:59:33 -0500
From: zman
Subject: FTE 61-79 - new to list

Had my 66 f100/352/3 on the tree, for about 2 years now, bought it in
virginia, but drug it to ohio where I live now. No major problems, I
have a water pump that acts up every so often, the e-clip on the shift
linkage must of fallen off one day while I was shifting. Driving home in
first gear is not fun! I was only about 5 minutes from home thank
goodness. The only other problem is the leak from under the dash on the
drivers side. I just can't seem to find the hole where the water is
coming in. What amazes me about this truck is it will still do 90 mph
when I hammer the pedal, but I don't do this very often.
I have been wanting to put headers on and get rid of the oil bath air
cleaner. What are you guys using? Also I have to do a brake job on it,
but I have never had any luck with drum brakes. Plus the bonehead who
owned it before me let the lug nuts seize so bad that wd-40 and a big
friggin breaker bar are not working. Any suggestions?


thanks
joe


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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 21:05:35 EST
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Pertronix electronic ignition

In a message dated 3/15/99 11:00:48 AM Pacific Standard Time,
sparky mail.island.net writes:


>>
MSD stands for Multiple Spark Discharge. I have been using MSDs since late
1979, which is shortly after I became aware of them through a positive write-
up in a Hot Rod magazine article. In a nut shell it is a very high energy
capacitive discharge system delivering multiple sparks per firing event, where
each spark is much more powerful that a single stock spark. In my opinion
good for cold starts, smooth running, and better than average gas mileage.
You can find them in most of the performance catalogs for around $125 for
model MSD 6-A, which works well on Ford Street Engines.
Burt Hill Kennewick Wa 1972 F-250 4x4 460
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 21:13:57 -0500
From: Brad Smith
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - thermostat temp for 460

At 11:03 AM 3/12/99 EST, you wrote:
>Could someone tell me what the proper thermostat temp is for a 460? Parts guy
>says 205 degrees. I thought that sounded kinda high. Fig
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You can run what you want to, but I wouldn't run anything higher than a
180. You are going to extend your engine life by keeping the temperature
down... If you can get enough heat with a 180, then go with that!

The two best times to go fishing are when it is raining, and when it is
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 21:20:07 -0500
From: Brad Smith
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Kingpin removal tool?

At 07:51 PM 3/14/99 -0800, you wrote:
>I have looked everywhere to find information on what tool I need to make to
>remove kingpins, could someone give me a hint. I looked in the tech section
>with no luck?
>
>Mike in Burien
>
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King pin removal tool consists of Oxygen, and Acytelene, also known as the
oxy-acytelene wrench. King pin cheap, labor expensive!

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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 19:03:03 PST
From: "barry mitchell"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - cab swap ?

Does anyone know if a cab and front wrap from a 64 ford 2wd will fit
on a 76 4wd frame ????? ( with out a lot of mods )

Barry Mitchell
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 21:57:11 EST
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - starting problems

In a message dated 3/15/99 3:55:49 PM Pacific Standard Time,
imstobu stargate.net writes:


it,
it wont start till I let off of key and other times it starts right up.
having carb problems, so when it stalls I have one heck of a time starting
it. I tried replacing the ignition switch with a new one today and it still
wouldn't start till I let off of key, then it started up fine the next ten
times I tried it. any ideas on where to look?

Phil Beattie
66 F100 390 C6 >>

I may be able point you toward the solution. While the starter is cranking
the battery voltage can drop to a point where the spark produced is
insufficient to jump the gap on the spark plug. How low it drops depends on
the condition of the battery, and the current the starter is drawing. If the
battery is on its last leg with a shorted out cell the voltage drop will be
worse than with a good battery. Check starter amps and battery voltage while
cranking, if they are in the band time to move on. Armed with the fact that
voltage normally drops while cranking you now need to look and see what
component or components in the ignition system are weak. Components such as
the coil, wires, plugs, caps, rotors, distributor pickup, electronic ignition
box, etc.... Just a little more info, all of the Ford Dura Spark ignitions
I've seen will send out very powerful spark, independent of whether or not the
distributor pickup would be calling for a spark, when you release the key
while the engine is cranking. I believe this to be caused by the electrical
system suddenly seeing a spike increase in voltage that triggers the control
box as the distributor pickup might do. Appears to me this is what is
starting your engine provided it still has momentum. But, while cranking (low
voltage) one or more components are just weak enough to produce overall
insufficient spark. Good luck
Burt Hill Kennewick Wa 1972 F-250 4x4 460
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 19:42:32 -0800 (PST)
From: Peter Ladow
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - VIN Decoding for '66 F-100

> >> The VIN# for my truck is F10YR748378. According to the Chilton book,
>
> Your engine code "Y" is a 352. The only other engine codes for 1966 trucks
> were A= 6 cyl. 240 cid or B= 6 cyl. 300 cid. If your truck has a 360 someone

Geez...that Chilton book stinks. The funny thing is, I got the rest of the
info off the tag, and it says the axle code is 08. The Chilton book doesn't
even list an axle code of 08. According to the book, my truck doesn't have
and engine or a rear axle! ;)

> swapped it for the original motor. Do you know what motor is actually in the
> truck?

Now, I'm no expert in identifying engines, but don't the 352, 360 and 390 all
use the same block? I examined the engine, and there is a number cast on the
block to the right of the timing cover: 352. So it must be a 352. But, it
is possible that somebody could have rebuilt it to a 360, right?

The person who sold me the truck claimed it was a 360. Is there any other
way of identifying the engine short of tearing it down?

And a final question, does anyone know what the codes for the color, body
and DSO are? Mine are:

Color: W
Body: 281
DSO: 74

Peter LaDow
pladow aha.com
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 23:07:52 EST
From: Rollie H Hunt
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Swap Parts

Yes ! , The windshield and back glass ( rear window ) will interchange
between your 1977 and 1979 trucks . The door glass will also interchange
. I can't be sure about the doors interchanging . Got this info from a
reliable source , my Dad is a long time auto glass installer and
customizing since 1965 . I hope this helps
Rollie H. Hunt , King , N.C.

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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 23:49:00 EST
From: Rollie H Hunt
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Electronic Ignition

My 1976 F100 Explorer came with a 360 and electronic ignition (factory) .
I wasn't sure if the electronic ignition was original because the engine
had been changed . So I Checked the wiring harness for tampering and
splicing , all were untouched and original . I guess it's probably time
to rewire some of it !
R.H.Hunt

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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 00:12:53 -0500
From: "Phil"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - starting problems

>Check starter amps and battery voltage while cranking, if they are in the
band time to >move on.
The problem im having is its not getting spark, battery is fine, no spark
till I let go of key, if I give it gas as I let go I can sometimes catch it
and it starts, I was thinking, on older trucks the ignition runs on around 6
volts when running, and around 12 volts when starting, is my 79 the same? if
so could it be that is why mine isn't started, where does it get the 12
volts? from the starter solenoid? if so I have one off of a 69, would that
interchange so I could at least eliminate the possibility.

Phil Beattie
66 F100 390 C6
66 F100 (no drivetrain)
79 F250 4x4 400

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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 21:23:44 -0800
From: "Matt Tobin"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Pertronix electronic ignition

I made the pertronics swap, and I have to say it was probably the easiest
performance mod I have ever made on a vehicle. It took about 20 minutes the
first time, although I'm sure I could do it in 10 minutes now. It all fits
under the Dist. cap. 1 wire to each + and - coil post, and 1 screw. It is
easy, and you will never gap points again. I do think if I was going for
pure performance I would probably use a more "high Performance" unit, but
for ease and stock look pertronics is great. I paid $56.00, and bought a
"flamethrower" 12 volt coil for another $23.00. Matt

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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 00:39:08 -0500
From: "Phil"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - VIN Decoding for '66 F-100

>And a final question, does anyone know what the codes for the color, body
>and DSO are? Mine are:
>
>Color: W
marlin blue
>Body: 281
conventional cab
>DSO: 74
seattle
from what i have seen all fe's have 352 on the blocks.

Phil Beattie
66 F100 390 C6
66 F100 (no drivetrain)
79 F250 4x4 400


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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 06:42:46 +0100
From: "Bill Brox"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1965 F-100 engines....


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