61-79-list-digest Wednesday, January 13 1999 Volume 03 : Number 009



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - engine paint
Re: FTE 61-79 - on-going mystery
FTE 61-79 - Re: FE engines up to 1976?
FTE 61-79 - 460 timing chain slack?
Re: FTE 61-79 - on-going mystery
FTE 61-79 - Re: - engine paint
FTE 61-79 - Re: Impounding my F-100
FTE 61-79 - Engines in Uhaul trucks
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Impounding my F-100
Re: FTE 61-79 - Engines in Uhaul trucks
Re: FTE 61-79 - Engines in Uhaul trucks
FTE 61-79 - Heater hot water valve
FTE 61-79 - Ford Truck Enthusiasts T-shirts!
Re: FTE 61-79 - Header gaskets ; hard starting while hot
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Impounding my F-100
Re: FTE 61-79 - engine paint
Re: FTE 61-79 - Differential
Re: FTE 61-79 - Header gaskets ; hard starting while hot
Re: FTE 61-79 - 4.10 Gears
FTE 61-79 - T-18 experts
FTE 61-79 - trucktough.com
FTE 61-79 - Truck Party
FTE 61-79 - M5OD
Re: FTE 61-79 - Truck Party

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 15:36:01 -0700
From: Brian Koss
Subject: FTE 61-79 - engine paint

How exact do you want to be. Bob Perkins of Mustang Monthly (a concvourse
restorer and judge) has listed the recommended Ditzler number to be used on
the Mustang engines. I can Get the number if you would like it. It has some
flatening agent in it if I recall correctly. Mustang Monthly has also had a
article on how to paint the engine to get it to match the factory pattern.
Not all areas are covered completely. Overspray and runs are desirable. I
prefer to cover it completely and evenly.


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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:25:57 -0500
From: Lord_Xaenon
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - on-going mystery

PredFan wrote:
>
> Here's a case for all you Ford Detectives out there.

Okay, John, I'll take a crack at it. Here's what I think:

I think you have a 1968 truck that has been mixed-n-matched with
parts from a 1971 by a previous owner somewhere up the line. I
think it's a 1968 mostly because you say that 1971 brakes won't
work but 1968 brakes do. That's the biggest clue.

The VIN plate missing is probably because the guy who did all
this didn't have a clear title to one of the trucks and ripped
the plate off so that he could "match" this vehicle with the
1971 title. Why he didn't just sell the 1971 is anybody's
guess, although I suspect that it was badly damaged and
wouldn't bring in as much as the 1968 (titled as a 1971) did.

Another possibility is that the 1968 truck could have been stolen,
and to get rid of it, a previous "owner" swapped some parts and
sold it as a "legal" 1971. Not very likely, but definitely one of
the possibilities.

The engine could be out of anything; it doesn't require much to swap
engines in those old trucks. In fact, it's likely that the engine
swap was done by a different person. I don't know how many owners
this truck has been through, but I'll bet it's changed hands at
least three or four times in its 28 or 31 years of existence.

The bumper is probably off of the 1971, the hood is either correct
for a 1968 or it's the 1971 with the trim removed. I'm guessing
there.

Mind you, this is only my theory. It does seem to fit the facts
and it is certainly plausible. Good luck!

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:29:01 -0500
From: Daniel Maxwell
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: FE engines up to 1976?

My brother used to work for UHaul (maybe the same one, Waterloo Rd). He
said they had uncommon fleet only engines, 354 cid, so customers wouldnt
rent the truck and steal parts and engines, kind of hard to get parts for.
Don't know if they were FE, Dave doesn't think they were.

Thats my 2 cenys
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>
>Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:18:44 -0500
>From: Tony Marino
>Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FE engines up to 1976?
>
>>time? Also wondering how many folks out there have 1977 and up f series
>>trucks with FEs in them? Looking under the hood and underneath the truck
>>I'm hard pressed to tell the truck was converted?
>
>I did notice something a while back at the UHAUL station down the street
>here in Akron Ohio. They were selling off a bunch of old trucks and I was
>curious about the price. Three of the trucks were "standard cabs" with no
>beds and dual rear tires. (I don't know what used to be on them) They
>were all '78's (early model with round headlights) and under all three
>hoods were FE's. Do you think Ford might have offered the FE as an option
>for a "commercial" truck application later than '76? I know they banished
>them due to emissions laws, possibly this didn't apply to commercial trucks?
>
>Just a guess.
>
>Tony
>tony pscico.com
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:18:54 EST
From: Boon40 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 460 timing chain slack?

Hey Friends,
I just bought a 460 from a 70 model lincoln. When i turn the crank by
hand, it feels like there is slack in the timing chain. Is this ok? Please let
me know. Thanks , boon
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:21:15 -0500
From: shoman p3.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - on-going mystery

Here's my input on my 68 truck, that baffles people...

Its Titled as a 68 and the truck is a 4x4 with a "302" which was
offered in early 69(so my truck might be a last of the 68's)
but its all original and matches to the vin and title EXCEPT were
the engine code is is blanked on the vin plate but marked as a 302 code
on the title!!!I pulled the 302 anyway and I'm dropping
in a 390 but another item is them Cab and bed..the instrument
cluster is stamped (3/72) So I think my cab was switched and I know
my bed was because I have side marker reflectors that didnt start
until 1970....So these trucks go through a lot in 30+ years..
AND YES items are easily Changed...
Go figure
Joe
68 4x4
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 17:03:17 -0700
From: Drew Beatty
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: - engine paint

Just to add to the mix, I have heard of 3 different kinds of Ford blue
paint: Ford Blue, Ford Dark Blue, and Corporate Ford Blue. I once had a 302
I painted Corporate Blue, and it was real dark like a royal blue. I painted
my 390 Dark Ford Blue (got the paint from Ford even), and It's lighter than
the corporate and darker than a powder blue or Chrysler blue.

FWIW, I'd be happy to email a pic of my 390 motor to anybody if it would
help. Just email me private.

Drew Beatty
dcbeatty rmi.net


Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 08:35:12 -0500
From: shoman p3.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - engine paint

>Being one of those anal 64-73 Mustang people before getting addicted
>to my 68 truck, I have a 69 Mustang that has the dark blue engine color
>and from the shows I attended ford used the lighter Blue(sky blue)
>up until 1966 then switched to Ford Dark Blue(corporate blue???)
>But also remember ford did some strange things in 65/66 too they
>had 289's painted black for awhile in mustangs...Also my 68 has the
>original motor and its dark blue..Hope this helps........
>Joe

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 17:32:10 -0700
From: Drew Beatty
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Impounding my F-100

I can't believe I'm reading this. Is this all cops in Berkley have to do
with themselves? Drive it forward and backward and watch it idle...lol. Now
I know why people are fleeing CA by the thousands.

I would take it to a brake shop. Ask around, maybe you can get a good
recommendation. Even a total brake job for your truck shouldn't cost more
than $600, and that would be replacing almost everything.


Best of luck

Drew Beatty
dcbeatty rmi.net

>Here's some more details about the impound process here. An officer
>is going to come out to my parents house on the appointed day (Jan 20th)
>and watch me drive it forward, backwards, a complete 360 degree turn
>to the left and to the right, and watch it idle for 15 mins by itself
>without stalling. It also has to be completely street legal. All the
>lights in place, working door handles, horn, windows, exhaust, carb,
>brakes, etc. If it fails any of these tests then it can and most likely
>will be impounded.

>If I notify the police officer and tell them that the vehicle is
>non-operable before they come out to inspect it, I will get a free tow
>to the impound yard and the scrap metal heap. If it fails the test
>without
>telling them beforehand, then I will get charged something like $200.00
>for the inspection fee and still get impounded. If it passes, then I
>get to keep the truck, BUT it doesn't prevent the truck from being
>tagged
>AGAIN as a nuisance vehicle at any time. To be honest though, the
>officer
>I talked with said that if the same vehicle was re-tagged within a month
>they would probably ignore it.


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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:40:01 -0500
From: Tony Marino
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Engines in Uhaul trucks

Hmm! Ask your brother (or if anybody on the list has an answer to this) If
the spark plug arrangement (ie- the angles in which they go in to the heads
(two back, two foreward)) are the same on an FE as are on the fleet
engines- That's what I looked at to determine they were FE's. (didn't want
to crawl around a greasy engine compartment to see if there was a "352" on
it!).

I'm often wrong, one more time wouldn't damage my ego! 8-)

Tony
tony pscico.com
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/~tony

At 06:29 PM 1/12/99 -0500, you wrote:
>My brother used to work for UHaul (maybe the same one, Waterloo Rd). He
>said they had uncommon fleet only engines, 354 cid, so customers wouldnt
>rent the truck and steal parts and engines, kind of hard to get parts for.
>Don't know if they were FE, Dave doesn't think they were.
>
>Thats my 2 cenys

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 17:49:44 -0800
From: "jeffd"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Impounding my F-100

I would think that since someone filed a complaint that your truck is a
nuiance you should be able to get their name and address from the
complaint. TURN ABOUT IS FAIR PLAY. Then, there are always the more fun
things to do, to repay the favor !!!.
Fertile minds will be able to help if you need it.

Good luck
Jeff

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> From: Drew Beatty
> To: 'Ford Truck List'
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Impounding my F-100
> Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 4:32 PM
>
> I can't believe I'm reading this. Is this all cops in Berkley have to do
> with themselves? Drive it forward and backward and watch it idle...lol.
Now
> I know why people are fleeing CA by the thousands.
>
> I would take it to a brake shop. Ask around, maybe you can get a good
> recommendation. Even a total brake job for your truck shouldn't cost more

> than $600, and that would be replacing almost everything.
>
>
> Best of luck
>
> Drew Beatty
> dcbeatty rmi.net
>
> >Here's some more details about the impound process here. An officer
> >is going to come out to my parents house on the appointed day (Jan 20th)
> >and watch me drive it forward, backwards, a complete 360 degree turn
> >to the left and to the right, and watch it idle for 15 mins by itself
> >without stalling. It also has to be completely street legal. All the
> >lights in place, working door handles, horn, windows, exhaust, carb,
> >brakes, etc. If it fails any of these tests then it can and most likely
> >will be impounded.
>
> >If I notify the police officer and tell them that the vehicle is
> >non-operable before they come out to inspect it, I will get a free tow
> >to the impound yard and the scrap metal heap. If it fails the test
> >without
> >telling them beforehand, then I will get charged something like $200.00
> >for the inspection fee and still get impounded. If it passes, then I
> >get to keep the truck, BUT it doesn't prevent the truck from being
> >tagged
> >AGAIN as a nuisance vehicle at any time. To be honest though, the
> >officer
> >I talked with said that if the same vehicle was re-tagged within a month
> >they would probably ignore it.
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 17:43:50 -0800
From: "sam weatherby"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Engines in Uhaul trucks

FE's are easy to ID. Just look at where the manifold meets the head...
Sam Weatherby http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://insert.com/sammy
SWeatherby UsWest.Net A-SamWe Microsoft.com
'70 Grabber Sportsroof Mustang
'93 F-150 XLT Lightning
'98 HD FXD Super Glide
'65 F100

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From: Tony Marino
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 4:39 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Engines in Uhaul trucks


>Hmm! Ask your brother (or if anybody on the list has an answer to this) If
>the spark plug arrangement (ie- the angles in which they go in to the heads
>(two back, two foreward)) are the same on an FE as are on the fleet
>engines- That's what I looked at to determine they were FE's. (didn't want
>to crawl around a greasy engine compartment to see if there was a "352" on
>it!).
>
>I'm often wrong, one more time wouldn't damage my ego! 8-)
>
>Tony
>tony pscico.com
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/~tony
>
>At 06:29 PM 1/12/99 -0500, you wrote:
>>My brother used to work for UHaul (maybe the same one, Waterloo Rd). He
>>said they had uncommon fleet only engines, 354 cid, so customers wouldnt
>>rent the truck and steal parts and engines, kind of hard to get parts for.
>>Don't know if they were FE, Dave doesn't think they were.
>>
>>Thats my 2 cenys
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 21:03:57 -0500
From: Tony Marino
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Engines in Uhaul trucks

Didn't know that at the time, just the spark plug trick. 8-)

Tony

At 05:43 PM 1/12/99 -0800, you wrote:
>FE's are easy to ID. Just look at where the manifold meets the head...
>Sam Weatherby http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://insert.com/sammy
>SWeatherby UsWest.Net A-SamWe Microsoft.com
>'70 Grabber Sportsroof Mustang
>'93 F-150 XLT Lightning
>'98 HD FXD Super Glide
>'65 F100

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:48:25 -0700
From: "bertolin"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Heater hot water valve

>Gosh, I wonder how rare that makes my '61. It even has the Custom Cab
>"De Luxe" heater that has the extra knobs under the dash and you pull
>the fan switch knob out for defrost. On my '66 2wd, the defroster
>control is way back under the dash and you have to open the hood to turn
>off the hot water.
>Birken

The owners manual for my 1965 refers to a "hot water intake valve under the
hood" for adjusting the temperature of the hot water on the economy heater.
I see no such valve associated with the 2 hoses going to and from the heater
inside the cab and to/from the engine. It has the original 240 6 cyl.
engine. The heater blows lukewarm air. Where would I find this valve for
controlling the hot water? Thanks in advance, Roberta


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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 22:34:34 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Ford Truck Enthusiasts T-shirts!

Hi Gang!

After numerous delays, we finally have Ford Truck Enthusiasts
t-shirts! We've been promising these for a while and had
many people beg for them over the past several months. The
artist completed the work last week and the design went to
press today. Pricing information will be available this
weekend (after we find out what it will cost to ship them).

The t-shirts are 100% cotton with a front pocket and a design
on the back. Sizes child medium through adult XXXL are
available. For a preview of the design before they go on sale
this weekend:

http://www.ford-trucks.com/tshirt.jpg

The image on the web site is 640x480 pixels, the image on the
shirt is hi-resolution with over 1900x1400 pixels. I believe
most everyone will be happy with the design! To those that
entered a design, we haven't forgotten. Our first order of
business after we make some sales is to provide a prize pack
to you. Any announcement will be made with ordering details
this weekend.

Regards to everyone,
Ken Payne
Admin

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:52:59 -0800
From: Mike Pacheco
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Header gaskets ; hard starting while hot

I had the same problem, time to get a new starter..

Mike in Seattle

sam weatherby wrote:

> >The starter cranks slowly after engine has been run awhile almost like a
> run
> >down battery, but after it sits awhile cranks real well.
> >I know this has been discussed in the past but I cannot rememberr the
> >answers.
>
> Heat is the problem...
> Exactly how depends. Verify battery is good.
> Check all the cable connected to the battery, solenoid and starter.
> If they are all fine your starter may be nearing the end of it's life.
> -srw
>
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 20:08:32 -0800
From: Mike Pacheco
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Impounding my F-100

I can't believe all the tests this vehicle has to go through !!!! Half of
the vehicles in Berkeley couldn't pass that test.... some of those college
students are lucky if they run at all....Of course the last time I was in
Berkeley was 10 years ago.. about the same time as the Berkeley Barb
disappeared...

Mike in Seattle

Stephen Lau Jr wrote:

> Thanks for all the replys! Still trying to sift through them all. ;-)
>
> Here's some more details about the impound process here. An officer
> is going to come out to my parents house on the appointed day (Jan 20th)
> and watch me drive it forward, backwards, a complete 360 degree turn
> to the left and to the right, and watch it idle for 15 mins by itself
> without stalling. It also has to be completely street legal. All the
> lights in place, working door handles, horn, windows, exhaust, carb,
> brakes, etc. If it fails any of these tests then it can and most likely
> will be impounded.
>
> If I notify the police officer and tell them that the vehicle is
> non-operable before they come out to inspect it, I will get a free tow
> to the impound yard and the scrap metal heap. If it fails the test
> without
> telling them beforehand, then I will get charged something like $200.00
> for the inspection fee and still get impounded. If it passes, then I
> get to keep the truck, BUT it doesn't prevent the truck from being
> tagged
> AGAIN as a nuisance vehicle at any time. To be honest though, the
> officer
> I talked with said that if the same vehicle was re-tagged within a month
> they would probably ignore it.
>
> I can't hide the vehicle in a shed or anything because they will flag
> the vehicle as being in violation and I won't be able to register it
> next year with the California DMV. Also, if anyone sees me driving it
> around, they can immediately impound it on the spot.
>
> The city ordinance is built on California Vehicle Code 22660 which gives
> the right for cities to remove any vehicles on public OR private
> property
> that are declared "nuisances".
>
> As for the truck's brakes...
>
> I have gotten a couple of leads for places around here that would be
> willing
> to fix the brakes for me. I have a new accelerator pedal on order that
> hopefully
> will arrive before Jan 20th. Since I'm a member of AAA, I'm going to
> have a tow
> truck come out and tow it to the repair shop and have them work on the
> brakes
> for me and make it street legal. It was suggested that I should do this
> because
> if the officer complains that the brakes aren't legal, I can show him
> the
> repair bill and claim "it wasn't my fault".
>
> It looks to me like there is a leak in the brake lines somewhere, but
> I'm not
> sure where. The front reservior for the brake fluid is running low even
> after
> I fill it back up and the rear brake lights won't work. The brake light
> sensor is attached to the fluid lines that leads to the front reservoir.
> I
> had checked the electrical lines to the brake lights and those are fine,
> so
> it looks like a pressure problem. By poking around underneath the truck,
> I
> don't see where the fluid is leaking out.
>
> Hope this helps clarify some of the problems. Thanks a lot for
> everyone's
> help so far, I really appreciate it.
>
> Steve
>
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 20:21:11 -0800
From: Mike Pacheco
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - engine paint

If you are spraying lacquer all you have got to do talc or baby powder to
flatening the paint..

Brian Koss wrote:

> How exact do you want to be. Bob Perkins of Mustang Monthly (a concvourse
> restorer and judge) has listed the recommended Ditzler number to be used on
> the Mustang engines. I can Get the number if you would like it. It has some
> flatening agent in it if I recall correctly. Mustang Monthly has also had a
> article on how to paint the engine to get it to match the factory pattern.
> Not all areas are covered completely. Overspray and runs are desirable. I
> prefer to cover it completely and evenly.
>
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 00:12:03 EST
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Differential

the limied slip carrier will be counter sunk arount each ring gear bolt, that
half of it is where the clutch pack is so its thicker and has to be broach cut
where the bolts are.
everyone must be aware that these are prone to cracking and breaking due to
being so thin in this area, especaily in four wheel drive trucks, big tires
really put a beating on these units and premature clutch failure is also bound
to happen, thats why i'm a firm believer in lockers for the rear of 4x4's.
if the housing you're looking at is odd looking it may be a 9 3/4", most of
them are posi but are not a very desirable unit.
some of you guys with 9" rear ends should check your center section to see
if it has a "N" cast into it, these are sought after and i have taken several
out of pick up trucks, very popular among drag racers.

jeff grant
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 00:22:48 EST
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Header gaskets ; hard starting while hot

i've often heard about using manifold gaskets on headers to cure leaking
problems. has anyone else heard this?

as for the cranking problem, the same thing happens on my mustang, everybody
trys to say the timing is too high. but i made aheat shield out of aluminum to
go around the starter and it helped alot, i went through several starters and
batteries, it will eventualy take its toll on both.
when i put the 460 in i had the same problem, i didn't have room for a
heatshield so i bought a diehard gold battery never had the problem again.
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 00:27:40 EST
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 4.10 Gears

i know what it like to be forced to find parts cheap, but you can buy new
gears (dana)
pretty cheap approx 135.00 for the front and 165.00 for the 60, i wish you
needed 3.50's i have two good sets for the front.

jeff grant
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 21:59:36 -0800
From: "Chris Samuel"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - T-18 experts

The popping out of gear issue is one that I would like to get an answer to
also.
I have "rebuilt" mine 4 times and taken it to 3 Trans shops, attempting to
cure this problem. The symptoms are similar with the Trans popping out of
gear when under power in 4th. and walking out of gear when decelerating in
3rd.
I have been dealing with this for about 5 thousand miles and have gone so
far as to remachine and otherwise blueprint the thing in to as tight as
possible condition. The last shop that I took the darn thing to couldn't
believe how tight it was and didn't charge me for their time after I told
them in detail what I had done.
So far the general conclusion is that the cause is outside of the Trans.
and 2 shops recommend that motor mounts and Trans-T/C mounts be replaced. As
my new engine is still not ready to go (Due to some theft) I have not yet
had the opportunity to test this theory. I have also refaced and indexed the
bell housing so that it now locates on center to 0.0005 TIR. It was only off
0.0045 TIR in the first place, so I doubt that this has much effect.

Thanks
Muel

PS. I also changed the pilot bearing every time just for drill!


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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 23:39:48 -0800
From: Art Verling
Subject: FTE 61-79 - trucktough.com

How are they going to give away $1000.00 dollars if they never ask who
you are. Every link points to their questioner.
It looks like a joke to pull cookies from your PC.
Art
AV ix.netcom.com

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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 01:57:22 -0600
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Truck Party

Great idea. Do you have a couple of stout trees? We could do a frame
off clean-up and paint, and pull an engine or two... oh yeah, and fix
your brakes.
Someone could bring a high speed grinder and we could take turns revving
it up up and down for the whole 72 hrs...

For some reason I cant help but think of that Beastie Boys video, "Right
to Party" or something like that...

> lets have a big FTE party at that house and we'll all park our trucks in
> the driveway for the weekend, if we pick a long weekend it'll be more than
> 72 hours too, so they'll have to either tow them all, or just let it be ...
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 02:11:37 -0600
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - M5OD

The 5 speed in the late Ford trucks is the M5OD Mazda OD5-speed similar
to the one in the Ranger(the Ranger also used a M5OD Mitsubishi OD
5-speed) It has a taller low gear than I like, and isn't a real strong
towing trans. It all depends on what you use it for. If it won't be
pulling a lot of weight it should work OK.

I think they used the BW-1356 T-case behind them, which also isn't my
first choice for work.

My trans of choice would be a Clark 208 5-speed OD out of a dump truck
with a divorce mounted NP205 or Dana 24, but that's really overkill in a
light duty commuter truck. But it's what I plan to do someday to my
'65.

> I have a '79 F150, 300-6 and I would *really* like to put in a
> 5 speed from an '80-'90s F150.
>
> Can anyone tell me what model year they started bolting 5 speeds
> to the 300 six? I've looked at the Edmunds web page but'89 is
> the oldest truck they listed.
>
> Also, does anyone know who makes the 5spd or anything
> about it? Gear ratios? Transfer cases it works with? How about
> a tranny with more gears from a commercial truck that would bolt
> to the 300-6. I don't mind getting new shafts made.....


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