61-79-list-digest Monday, March 15 1999 Volume 03 : Number 089



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Pertronix Ignition and Piston Question
FTE 61-79 - Power Steering for a '68 F-250
FTE 61-79 - Re: 240 or 300?, FTD61-79V3 #84
FTE 61-79 - Swap Parts
Re: FTE 61-79 - Pertronix electronic ignition
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Tech Article updates
FTE 61-79 - Shorty FE haeders
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Rate us?
FTE 61-79 - 3+1 Overdrive tranny
FTE 61-79 - Pigeon Forge meet questions/truck seat wanted
Re: FTE 61-79 - 3+1 Overdrive tranny
FTE 61-79 - Kingpin removal tool?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Kingpin removal tool?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Kingpin removal tool?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Kingpin removal tool?
FTE 61-79 - sloppy steering
FTE 61-79 - stuck in the mud
Re: FTE 61-79 - Kingpin removal tool?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Pertronix electronic ignition

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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 06:30:18 -0600
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Pertronix Ignition and Piston Question

I've never fooled around with this ignition, but it sounds good. What
is involved with the swap, and what parts do you need? Is it as good as
converting to the Duraspark?

Does anyone have the documentation for a set of 390 TRW PowerForged
L2291F pistons laying around? I'd like to get the exact compression
height and the cc volume of the valve reliefs. I'm wanting to use them
in the 390 I'm putting together, but I want to know what the CR is going
to be first.
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 08:39:39 -0500
From: "J. Doss Halsey"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Power Steering for a '68 F-250

Folks,

I have a line on a power steering unit (pump, unit and cooler from a '72 F-100). I am just checking to see if anyone knows of any reason why this would not fit in my '68 F-250 camper special. The '72 pump is off of a 390 and I have a 360 (so no problem with the engine bracket). Same pitman arm? Should I ask for the drag link from the '72 as well? BTW, is it common (OE) to have a small fluid cooler on a power steering pump? I am not planning to run a hydraulic winch with it or anything. Anyway, for $100 I told the recycling engineer to go ahead and pull it.

Doss Halsey
68 F-250 camper special
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 14:20:07 GMT
From: cdailey newsguy.com (Chad Dailey)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 240 or 300?, FTD61-79V3 #84

Sorry John,

Not a stupid question. The only 'easy' way that I know of is to
remove a sparkplug and measure the stroke with a wooden dowel. If the
engine is a 240, the stroke will be 3.18 inches. If the engine is a
300, the stroke will be 3.98 inches.

Chad

On Thu, 11 Mar 1999 05:31:34 -0500 (EST), you wrote:

>Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:14:00 -0600
>From: "John R. Austin"
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - 240 or 300?
>
>I had posted a message a few days ago asking if there was any sure-fire =
easy
>way to tell a 240 from a 300.
>Does the lack of response mean there is no easy way to tell or does it =
mean
>that the question is so dumb that it doesn't deserve an answer?
>John

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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 13:05:28 -0500
From: William A Whited
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Swap Parts

I have a 79 F150 Super Cab Explorer that is pretty
much shot and was wondering would the windshield, rear
window, and doors fit on my 77 F100 Flairside Custom.
TIA

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William A Whited
74 F100 RANGER SUPERCAB 390
77 F100 CUSTOM FLAIRSIDE 302
79 F100 EXPLORER SUPERCAB 302 (PARTS TRUCK)
"IT DON'T GTMO BETTER THEN THIS, SEMPER FI"


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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:26:01 -0800
From: sparky mail.island.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Pertronix electronic ignition

>> Along the same line of questioning, has anyone ever replaced the point
>> type ignition system of a 390FE with the duraspark model?

>FE's with the Duraspark, Yes
>been there, did it, do it.
>Don Grossman
>duckdon pacific.net

Thanks for the info. It is now on my "to do" list, which means I will keep
my eyes open when I am at the local scrapyard for the required parts.
One more question what year/displacement am I looking for in a donor
engine to replace my 390FE distributor? Are all FE distributors
interchangeable? Whoops that is two questions :)

Sparky
73F250 4x4
390FE 2v

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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 17:51:02 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Tech Article updates

List member Mark Strickland has submitted a series of
new tech articles to Ford Truck Enthusiasts. You can
check them out on the web site.

Ken Payne
Admin

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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 17:46:12 -0600
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Shorty FE haeders

> I got the photos of the Galaxie headers from Stan at FPA and have
> them up on my web page.

I don't think they would work on my '65 either. As you said the drivers
side would be pretty close to the driveline, and the right one would hit
the frame.

Couldn't help but notice a few goodies laying around in the pictures. A
Boss 9 head and what appears to be an FE main girdle hanging on the
wall. Some guys have all the good stuff.

That's a good looking engine, is it out of a '65 Galaxie? The medium
riser intake and black paint and all made me curious.
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 19:17:52 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Rate us?

Auto Restorer On-Line has added Ford Truck Enthusiasts
to their listings. If you're so inclinded, you can rate
our site. The listing along with the rating link can
be found at:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.autorestorer.com/links/Clubs_And_Organizations/

Thanks,
Ken Payne
Admin

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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 16:50:51 PST
From: "Brandon Neighbors"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 3+1 Overdrive tranny

This message is specifically to Mike in Seattle, but anyone who can help
is more than welcome to respond :-)

Mike, another list member told me that you had put a 3+1 overdrive into
your Ford. I would love to put one in my '68 F 100, but I have heard
that these are not as good as the four speed Toploaders. What
experiences have you had with it? I'm not really sure how difficult it
would be to locate or install, but any advice that you (or anyone for
that matter) could give would be most appreciated. Thank you.

Nabo
'68 F100 (with recently installed headers; sounds good)
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 18:59:22 -0600
From: jcarbone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Pigeon Forge meet questions/truck seat wanted

I am thinking about going to the Pigeon Forge F-100 Supernationals (I'm
in the New Orleans, LA area).

How is this meet? Are there many vendors, etc.? - the more detail the
better.

On another note:

Where can I get a good used late model ('90 up or so) stock seat for my
'78 F-100 short bed?

Hey, Ken, great site!!!!



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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 17:28:21 -0800
From: Mike Pacheco
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 3+1 Overdrive tranny

I haven't had any problems with my 3+1 toploader, I believe a toploader 4
speed would work better than the 3+1, the reason is between 2nd & 3rd the
gear ratio demands that I rev it up to 3200- 3500 rpms. Its great being in
3rd gear doing 65 taching 2500 though, then I have got to get it up to 70
mph before I put it in 4th gear. I am running the stock 3.25 rear end..
maybe with a lower gear ratio I could take full advantage of 4th gear. Here
the speed limit is 60, so I don't get much chance to use 4th gear.
I believe the toploader I have came out of a van, that's what the trans shop
told me, it has a cast iron casing, that's how they determined it came out
of a van. I haven't put the tranny to the test, I'm nursing the rear end, it
has 234,000 miles on it. Let me know how you make out. Let me know if you
would like any pictures, I have thousands... well maybe not that many, but
quite a few.

Mike in Seattle (Burien)

Brandon Neighbors wrote:

> This message is specifically to Mike in Seattle, but anyone who can help
> is more than welcome to respond :-)
>
> Mike, another list member told me that you had put a 3+1 overdrive into
> your Ford. I would love to put one in my '68 F 100, but I have heard
> that these are not as good as the four speed Toploaders. What
> experiences have you had with it? I'm not really sure how difficult it
> would be to locate or install, but any advice that you (or anyone for
> that matter) could give would be most appreciated. Thank you.
>
> Nabo
> '68 F100 (with recently installed headers; sounds good)
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 19:51:56 -0800
From: Mike Pacheco
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Kingpin removal tool?

I have looked everywhere to find information on what tool I need to make to
remove kingpins, could someone give me a hint. I looked in the tech section
with no luck?

Mike in Burien


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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 23:00:03 EST
From: My427Stang aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Kingpin removal tool?

How about heat, a hammer and a drift?
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 20:13:24 -0800
From: Mike Pacheco
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Kingpin removal tool?

I was hopeing to find a better way, I thought I read some time ago about
building a miniature press?
Mike

My427Stang aol.com wrote:

> How about heat, a hammer and a drift?
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 23:29:11 EST
From: My427Stang aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Kingpin removal tool?

I have a press, they work nice, but you still need heat sometimes. It
basically is a threaded pusher that pushes them through. 1 inch fine tyhread
or so, and two uprights, sort of like a backwards puller
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 22:49:06 -0600
From: Michael Ray Jones
Subject: FTE 61-79 - sloppy steering

I have a question, and I'm sure somebody on the list can set me
straight.

I have a 77 F150 2WD 460 Auto with power steering and brakes. Today I
replaced the all the steering linkage between the pittman arm off the
box and both spindles (drag link and left side inner and outer tie rod
and adjusting bracket). I got rid of most of the slop, but there still
seems to be a little left.

About a month ago, I replaced a seal in the top of my power steering
gear box. The seal was under a cover on the top of the box. To remove
the cover, I had to remove to bolts, and a nut from what appeared to be
some type of adjustment screw. The screw had to be turned to allow the
cover to come off. What does this screw adjust if anything? Can it be
used to tighten the steering?

Thanks in advance for your help
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 00:14:53 EST
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - stuck in the mud

i went to the crackerbarrel 500 today, sissy gordon wins again, i pulled for
martin hard, i guess third is ok, but you should have seen the distance
between them, i still believe gordon is cheating some how.
anyway, we went in my 78 f150 4x4, in case we had to park in a muddy area,
we ended up driving back into the woods and up a powerline to park (really
just playing) . when we left the race, temptation got the best of me, and i
tried to tackle a mud hole, it won, the front and rear lockers don't help a
bit when the tires are not touching anything. man i sunk the front end, the
electric winch disappointed me, it didn't work, called a friend with a one ton
4x4 one of those (chevy) he couldn't budge me. so my truck has to spend the
night with the front end submerged in a georgia red clay mudhole, now if i
get it out ,i have to tear it down and clean it out. the cost of playing is
expensive.

jeff grant
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 22:30:46 -0800
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Kingpin removal tool?

At 07:51 PM 3/14/99 -0800, you wrote:
>I have looked everywhere to find information on what tool I need to make to
>remove kingpins, could someone give me a hint. I looked in the tech section
>with no luck?

Seek and Ye shall find. Start here:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty/tools/

Steve
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty

"There are no stupid questions... just stupid people."

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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 22:30:49 -0800
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Pertronix electronic ignition

It was written:
> Thanks for the info. It is now on my "to do" list, which means I will keep
>my eyes open when I am at the local scrapyard for the required parts.
> One more question what year/displacement am I looking for in a donor
>engine to replace my 390FE distributor?

'75-'76 FE's had Duraspark. You can also get rebuilt ones at the
auto parts store. Tell the parts guy you've got a '75 truck with
a 360 and they should give you the right thing...
I use a D-spark dist on my FE390. I like it. Use it with the D-spark
box or an MSD. Never screw around with points again. YES!

Are all FE distributors....

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