61-79-list-digest Sunday, March 14 1999 Volume 03 : Number 088



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Traction Control
Re: FTE 61-79 - Traction Control
FTE 61-79 - legislative alert
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: timing gear and other misc. parts
FTE 61-79 - Re: Inquiring Minds Want More Pictures!
Re: FTE 61-79 - legislative alert
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Inquiring Minds Want More Pictures!
FTE 61-79 - Pertronix Electonic Ignition
FTE 61-79 - Pertronix Electonic Ignition
Re: FTE 61-79 - Pertronix electronic ignition
Re: FTE 61-79 - Pertronix electronic ignition
FTE 61-79 - Re: Pertronix Ignition module
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Inquiring Minds Want More Pictures!
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Web site updates
FTE 61-79 - weight of a cab???`
Re: FTE 61-79 - weight of a cab???`
Re: FTE 61-79 - weight of a cab???`
Re: FTE 61-79 - Pertronix electronic ignition
FTE 61-79 - Power Steering - Power Brakes
Re: FTE 61-79 - weight of a cab???`
Re: FTE 61-79 - Pertronix electronic ignition
Re: FTE 61-79 - Pertronix electronic ignition
Re: FTE 61-79 - Power Steering - Power Brakes
Re: FTE 61-79 - Traction Control

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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 07:13:04 -0800
From: "John Webster"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Traction Control

Some help please,
After installing my rebuilt 460 and C6 into a '77 F150 with 3" body lift
and 33" tires, I've now found that the stock suspension wraps up like crazy
during a hard launch. The Detroit locker I added didn't help matters. Has
anyone any experience with the multitudes of Kicker shocks, Traction Bars
and Ladder Bars that are out there. What really works, properly!
Thanks for any input.
John.

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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 07:52:00 -0500
From: luxjo thecore.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Traction Control

John Webster wrote:
>
> Some help please,
> After installing my rebuilt 460 and C6 into a '77 F150 with 3" body lift
> and 33" tires, I've now found that the stock suspension wraps up like crazy
> during a hard launch. The Detroit locker I added didn't help matters. Has
> anyone any experience with the multitudes of Kicker shocks, Traction Bars
> and Ladder Bars that are out there. What really works, properly!
> Thanks for any input.

I'd say kicker shocks would be almost useless. I've used Traction bars
sold by JC whitney. They are about 60$ and made by desert steel. Worked
well with a rear detroit and 35" AT tires. When I went to 38's, I
started getting some wrap again. After I went to 44's, I broke one rock
climbing in Pa. I looked at L & L's, but I didn't like the fact they
hung down so low, they were very pricey, and they limit susp travel by
fighting against each other. I built my own for about 120$. It connects
witha single rod end right near teh DS. My thinking was that teh axle
pivots around teh center (mostly), so that would not limt articualtion.
You can see them at

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detailpic.cfm?detailid=59&picname=ladbar1.jpg

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detailpic.cfm?detailid=59&picname=Ladmount1.jpg

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detailpic.cfm?detailid=59&picname=ladmntbck1.jpg

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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 08:32:02 EST
From: NUTCH11 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - legislative alert

hi all

just wnat you to know that congress is planning to pass a bill that will allow
phone companies to charge LONG DISTANCE rates each time you access the
internet
please write, e/m and call your representative

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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 07:53:51 -0600
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: timing gear and other misc. parts

At 09:53 AM 3/12/99 -0800, you wrote:
>>I am trying to
>figure out how I can get my short block on the kitchen counter without
>scratching it up and making SWMBO madder than a wet March hen.
>
>Try putting cardboard down on the table. That should keep your shortblock
>in good shape. It's really great that your significant other cares so much
>about your motor that she doesn't want to see it damaged!! ;0)
>

Brother Hogan,

It is not so much that she cares about my engine not getting hurt, but
rather, I fear if I don't bring it in the house to admire and dance around
it, the FE engine gods will not be too happy with me. Drew Beatty
suggested I do this, he says it works everytime with his parts. I dunno,
whadda ya think??? Most any voodoo is acceptableto me when it comes to
engine building. :)

Going to lift the cab off the frame today at the bosy shop. My body man
priomise this week he would be finished. He has 2 men dedicated to my
truck until it is completed. Yeee Hawww!!! Or it would that be WooHoo!!


Stu
Nuke GM!
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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 09:33:58 EST
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Inquiring Minds Want More Pictures!

In a message dated 3/13/99 9:00:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, varners usit.net
writes:

>
> Going to lift the cab off the frame today at the bosy shop. My body man
> priomise this week he would be finished.

Hey Stu---I need a kick in the pants to get started on my project....how about
posting up some new pictures that we can all druel over?

~~Thom B~~
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 09:36:50 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - legislative alert

At 08:32 AM 3/13/99 -0500, you wrote:
>hi all
>
>just wnat you to know that congress is planning to pass a bill that will allow
>phone companies to charge LONG DISTANCE rates each time you access the
>internet
>please write, e/m and call your representative
>
>nutch

Please keep off-topic posts off the list. Especially
about an item that the FCC did not approve in February.


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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 08:47:08 -0600
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Inquiring Minds Want More Pictures!

At 09:33 AM 3/13/99 EST, you wrote:
>In a message dated 3/13/99 9:00:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, varners usit.net
>writes:
>
>>
>> Going to lift the cab off the frame today at the bosy shop. My body man
>> priomise this week he would be finished.
>
>Hey Stu---I need a kick in the pants to get started on my project....how
about
>posting up some new pictures that we can all druel over?

Thom,

I am just walking out the door to lift the cab off and saw I had
mail.....Camera is in hand and I will be sending some pics off today to
Tony to post to the website. I will send pics of engine and paint work
when I get them taken and developed, then shipped to Ohio.

I hope the pics all turn out too. There is a great risk of me slobbering
on the film myself!!

hehehehehe
Stu
Nuke GM!
htp://www.pscico.com/stu

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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 09:56:41 -0800
From: "O'Connor"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Pertronix Electonic Ignition

Chris,
My son put the Pertronix in his 66 352. It runs smoother and seems to get
better mileage even though we have not checked it. We had the engine put on
the old Sun Analyizer and you could see the difference. With points and
condenser, the firing is not evenly distributed to the pistons as realily
seen on the asciliscope (parden the spelling). The technician took the
plots of all eight cylinders and superimposed them on top of each other.
At this pint, I could see that they weren't firing at even intervals. With
the pertronix, the scope shows them firing almost on top of each other. If
you don't mind not having an original looking distributor, I recommend
buying a Mallory distributor with their sold state ignition already in it.
Its about $200 from Summit P/N MAA-4755301 for all FE's.
Tim
66 352
w/3 speed and O/D
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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 09:56:41 -0800
From: "O'Connor"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Pertronix Electonic Ignition

Chris,
My son put the Pertronix in his 66 352. It runs smoother and seems to get
better mileage even though we have not checked it. We had the engine put on
the old Sun Analyizer and you could see the difference. With points and
condenser, the firing is not evenly distributed to the pistons as realily
seen on the asciliscope (parden the spelling). The technician took the
plots of all eight cylinders and superimposed them on top of each other.
At this pint, I could see that they weren't firing at even intervals. With
the pertronix, the scope shows them firing almost on top of each other. If
you don't mind not having an original looking distributor, I recommend
buying a Mallory distributor with their sold state ignition already in it.
Its about $200 from Summit P/N MAA-4755301 for all FE's.
Tim
66 352
w/3 speed and O/D
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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 12:50:57 EST
From: Pyrate951 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Pertronix electronic ignition

I had a problem with my points slipping so went with the pertronix and in 10
min was up and running again and run great.
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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 10:52:04 -0800
From: sparky mail.island.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Pertronix electronic ignition

> Does anyone have any experience running the Pertronix solid state
> ignition on FE's. If so does it idle better & improve gas mileage like
> they claim it does?

Along the same line of questioning, has anyone ever replaced the point
type ignition system of a 390FE with the duraspark model? I have a
duraspark module and all the wiring harnesses I just need a distributor. Is
there another Ford engine I could use the distributor from? Or better yet
was the 390FE ever produced with the electronic ignition?
This idea came up as I was replacing the burnt wiring after my little
igniton problem, the one where the truck continued to run after the key was
turned off.
Thanks.

Sparky
73F250 4x4
390FE 2V

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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:04:28 -0800
From: "Steven Salas"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Pertronix Ignition module

Hi All , In regards to the Pertronix Ignition modules, I have had one in
my '69 390 4V F-250 for over 4 years and to this day it has given me zero
problems! One note though , make sure that you use a good quality rotor
I.E. Standard, Echelin, ect..) as the stator mounts on the rotor exterior.
The good rotors mount the stator more securely than the cheap thin rotors
do. I can't say any thing bad about this product , in my opinion, it is
worth the money without a doubt. Any questions feel free to e-mail me.
Steve Salas



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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 14:26:36 EST
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Inquiring Minds Want More Pictures!

In a message dated 3/13/99 9:55:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, varners usit.net
writes:

> I hope the pics all turn out too. There is a great risk of me slobbering
> on the film myself!!
>
Thanks Stu.....I can't wait----have to go now to practice my ooohs and
aaahs:-)

~~Thom B~~
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 16:37:57 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Web site updates

The following updates have been made to the Ford Truck
Enthusiasts web site:

- - Pictorial updated. I'm still behind with the pictorials
as we've had tons of submissions lately. If you didn't
get an email stated that your truck is now on the web
site, then it isn't there yet. Please be patient.

- - Although I already announced this, it bears repeating:
Ford Truck Enthusiasts now has access to Ford Motor
Company press releases and has a link on our main page
to these. Get the latest Ford truck news here. This
should be a useful service.

- - Products page updated with several new items.

- - The events page has several new events.

- - The clubs section of the links has been expanded. As
many of you know, Ford Truck Enthusiasts gives free
web space and an email address to non-profit Ford
truck clubs. We've got 3 online now with 2 more in
the next couple of weeks. If you belong to a Ford
truck club, let them know about this offer. There are
no obligations other than a simple link.

On a different note, if you're one of the people who
designed a t-shirt for our contest this past fall, please
email me your mailing address. I haven't forgotten
about the prize pack, just got behind. I have prize
packs ready to mail.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts

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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 17:16:40 -0500
From: Joe Delaurentis
Subject: FTE 61-79 - weight of a cab???`

Hey group,

with the talk of cab removal, can anybody say what a bare cab weighs???
I found a rust free cab in the local junkyard and would love to
use it, but want to know if humans can lift it?Since my truck is
to the frame its hard to move at the moment, and it would be a perfect
time to put the new cab on..ANybody guesstimate the weight?
Joe
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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 16:52:51 -0600
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - weight of a cab???`

Hey Joe,
2 people have removed a cab in my shop before but I would advize against
it! I felt the pain for a few days.
They made me sing tenor at church intead of bass that Sunday morning which
followed. heheheheh
This morning, 4 people removed the cab with little or no trouble. I would
guess 350 to 400
pounds give or take a sack of flower. We are talking minus doors and all
interior components including seat, steering wheel, heater, dash pad. This
was a bare cab.

Stu
Nuke GM!
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At 05:16 PM 3/13/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Hey group,
>
>with the talk of cab removal, can anybody say what a bare cab weighs???
>I found a rust free cab in the local junkyard and would love to
>use it, but want to know if humans can lift it?Since my truck is
>to the frame its hard to move at the moment, and it would be a perfect
>time to put the new cab on..ANybody guesstimate the weight?
>Joe
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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 18:15:11 EST
From: My427Stang aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - weight of a cab???`

Who knows the weight, but 3 guys can move a 1971 cab, experience talking
there, although we were all in our 20's when we did it, I think I still could
- - Ross
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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 15:52:51 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Pertronix electronic ignition

sparky mail.island.net wrote:

> Along the same line of questioning, has anyone ever replaced the point
> type ignition system of a 390FE with the duraspark model? I have a
> duraspark module and all the wiring harnesses I just need a distributor. Is
> there another Ford engine I could use the distributor from? Or better yet
> was the 390FE ever produced with the electronic ignition?

FE's with the Duraspark, Yes

Here is a good start for you

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.wrljet.com/engines/duraspark.html

been there, did it, do it.
- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net

99 Contour SE Sport
63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings.


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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 17:50:46 -0700
From: "B. Zatzke"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Power Steering - Power Brakes

Hi All, I'm new to this list, (or any others) and I have a question
about My '70 short-bed
4X4. With the wealth of great knowledge I've seen here in the past week
or so this is probably
an easy one. I would like to convert over to pwr steering and pwr
brakes, but I don't know
what model year accessories to be on the look-out for. Has this topic
been addressed lately?
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks, Brad

'70 Sport Custom 4X4 390 (project truck)
'72 Custom 360 (just became a project... daughter crunched it)
'95 Thunderbird
'98 Escort ZX2

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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 16:51:19 -0800
From: MC
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - weight of a cab???`

I have helped move a stripped cab around too, and we also did it with 3
people. It can be done with 3 people, but a fourth guy is sure nice.
That way the cab is a little easier to balance.

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Matt Cozad
1994 Toyota 4Runner 4x4 "Yoda"
1970 F100 4x4 "Jabba the Truck"
1969 F100 4x4 "Spare Parts"


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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 19:19:45 -0600 (CST)
From: Jesus Cardoso
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Pertronix electronic ignition

Howdy!

Since there has been a lot of talk of electronic ignition systems
for the the past couple of days, I wanted to let you all know of an
article that I just saw. I received the May 1999 copy of Classic Trucks
today and in page 14 there is an article title "Ignition Basics: The Hot
Tip on Using an Aftermarket Ignition System for Your Pickup".

Good Luck.
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Graduate Research Assistant
Power System Automation Lab
Department of Electrical Engineering
Texas A&M University, College Station, TX 77843-3128

w: 409.845.4623, fax: 409.845.6259, h: 409.775.0737
e-mail: cardoso tamu.edu, jesus_cardoso email.com
url: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ee.tamu.edu/~cardoso
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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 21:09:46 EST
From: My427Stang aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Pertronix electronic ignition

I agree on the Duraspark conversion, the BEST thing I did for my truck. I am
putting one on my 427 Mustang soon too (with the fresh motor)
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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 21:14:17 EST
From: My427Stang aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Power Steering - Power Brakes

Power brakes shouldnt be a problem, there were a million of them out there. I
used a 78 Bronco 4x4 power box on mine,and I love it. Take a look at a Bronco,
full size one, and make yours look just like it. Its an easy swap. Just dont
put the power box in the same location and direction as the 70 manual or when
you turn right the wheels will go left. OR as my father said "great job
putting that steering box on......BUT"
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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 23:41:13 EST
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Traction Control

back when i was drag racing, a couple of my buddies raced trucks, wheel hop....


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