61-79-list-digest Friday, March 12 1999 Volume 03 : Number 086



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Fueling Heads
FTE 61-79 - 351W carb
FTE 61-79 - Kitchen Magic
FTE 61-79 - Toploader
Re: FTE 61-79 - Kitchen Magic
FTE 61-79 - Fuel pump specs
Re: FTE 61-79 - Kitchen Magic
FTE 61-79 - 289 OR 302
Re: FTE 61-79 - 351W carb
FTE 61-79 - 78 f150 small block flywheel
FTE 61-79 - Camper special or F-350
FTE 61-79 - 302 flywheels
FTE 61-79 - 302 flywheels
FTE 61-79 - Chokes at high load
FTE 61-79 - Toploader
FTE 61-79 - 390/410
Re: FTE 61-79 - 289 OR 302
Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 f150 small block flywheel
Re: FTE 61-79 - 390/410
Re: FTE 61-79 - Fuel pump specs
Re: FTE 61-79 - Toploader
FTE 61-79 - 240/300 noise
FTE 61-79 - 1967 289
FTE 61-79 - Re: 240 or 300?
FTE 61-79 - Dating a 300
FTE 61-79 - Shortie's for FE's
Re: FTE 61-79 - 289 OR 302 & Toploaders
Re: FTE 61-79 - Shortie's for FE's
FTE 61-79 - Re: Shortie's for FE's
Re: FTE 61-79 - 1967 289
FTE 61-79 - Re: Halogen Lights - Dielectric Grease
Re: FTE 61-79 - 240 or 300?
FTE 61-79 - clip your posts?
FTE 61-79 - thermostat temp for 460
Re: FTE 61-79 - thermostat temp for 460
FTE 61-79 - advice on: 72 "Custom Sport" 4wd
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Halogen Lights - Dielectric Grease
Re: FTE 61-79 - Toploader
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Shortie's for FE's
FTE 61-79 - FE fuel pump
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Shortie's for FE's
Re: FTE 61-79 - Thanks to all for advice on: 72 "Custom Sport" 4wd
Re: FTE 61-79 - advice on: 72 "Custom Sport" 4wd
FTE 61-79 - Sell it
Re: FTE 61-79 - Sell it
Re: FTE 61-79 - Contact Cleaner.
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Halogen Lights - Dielectric Grease
FTE 61-79 - RE: timing gear and other misc. parts
Re: FTE 61-79 - thermostat temp for 460
FTE 61-79 - Thanks for advice on: 72 "Custom Sport" 4wd
FTE 61-79 - RE: Thanks for advice on: 72 "Custom Sport" 4wd
FTE 61-79 - RE: 78 F150 small block engine swap - flyweel
Re: FTE 61-79 - Thanks to all for advice on: 72 "Custom Sport" 4wd
Re: FTE 61-79 - 1967 289
FTE 61-79 - Sell it
FTE 61-79 - Rear Discs??
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Thanks for advice on: 72 "Custom Sport" 4wd
Re: FTE 61-79 - Thanks to all for advice on: 72 "Custom Sport" 4wd
FTE 61-79 - Re: Sell it
FTE 61-79 - Re: Sell it
Re: FTE 61-79 - Thanks to all for advice on: 72 "Custom Sport" 4wd
FTE 61-79 - Ford Centurion
Re: FTE 61-79 - Ford Centurion
Re: FTE 61-79 - Ford Centurion
Re: FTE 61-79 - Ford Centurion
FTE 61-79 - Loving your car ...
Re: FTE 61-79 - Ford Centurion
RE: FTE 61-79 - 78 F-150 High Output Halogen Lights
Re: FTE 61-79 - Ford Centurion
FTE 61-79 - Re: 240 or 300
Re: FTE 61-79 - 240/300 noise

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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 06:15:16 -0600
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Fueling Heads

> Whats this about Fueling Heads using fast burn
> technology? There where articles mentioned but from what magazine or web
> site? Im interested in learning about these. Thanks

I saw something a couple or three months ago in Popular Hot Rodding,
I'm pretty sure. I wonder about some of the claims made though. There
are a lot of smart people doing R&D on combustion technology and I'd say
that you'd probably see this stuff coming out of more shops if it were
for real. Maybe it is, you never know what Warren Johnson or guys like
that could be up to. Worth a look anyway, sorry I don't know which
issue I saw it in though.
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 06:25:46 -0600
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 351W carb

>
> I have been rebuilding my 351w and its almost ready to go in! I am however
> in need of a carb for it and the cheapest I can find around here is around
> 200.00, and thats for rebuilt. Does anyone got a good spare one lying
> around that is somewheres around Salt Lake City? Or, does anyone know where
> I could order one for cheaper then 200 bucks. And also, any recommendations
> on a good carb? its a 2 barrel carb that fits on the stock intake. Engine
> is out of a 79 Ford Van. Thanks for the help

Is it a feedback carb? Or do you have to have a certain carb number for
emissions? I'd think that about any 2100 2V would work all right. One
off of a 390 or 351-400M Truck could likely be had for almost nothing at
your local recycler. Put a kit in it and enjoy. These carbs are tough,
they wont be worn out just because they're old. I had one that sat for
six years and the kit in it was almost ten years old before that. I
fired the old girl up and darned if it didn't purr like a kittten, and
it didn't leak either. I drove it around for a few days amazed at that
old carb that should have been dryed up. I only used the Ford supplied
kit though in them, that could be the difference.
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 06:27:27 -0600
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Kitchen Magic

> >>I am trying to
> figure out how I can get my short block on the kitchen counter without
> scratching it up and making SWMBO madder than a wet March hen. The heads
> and other parts I think I can manage to get in the kitchen OK. hehehehehe

Make her help you, then give her heck if it gets scratched.
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 06:41:12 -0600
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Toploader

> Does the list know what is meant by a "toploader" transmission? Is it
> ford?

Most passenger car manual transmissions have a cover on the side and
must be assenbled (loaded)though this opening. A "toploader" doesn't
have a side cover. It has a top cover like a truck transmission.
Unlike a truck though, they do have the shift forks going through the
side. They are very rugged due to the improved case rigidity of this
design.
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 07:42:46 EST
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Kitchen Magic

>> I am trying to figure out how I can get my short block on the
>> kitchen counter withoutscratching it up

I am assuming you want to wash the bores and passages as prep for your re-
build??
I like to bring the hoist in too so that it can be suspended over the sink.
No worry about scratching the counter and cuts down on the mess (relatively).
SWMBO need not be the wiser if you strategically plan out this process. I
leave that part in your capable hands.

~~Thom B~~
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 06:55:50 -0600
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Fuel pump specs

> does anyone out there know the specs (psi, GPH capacity) on the OEM
> mechanical fuel pump from a 71 360? you know, the hideous one with the
> screw on filter unit. (hideous as in not aesthetically pleasing)

It should pump between 6-9 psi when cranking. I don't know the GPH,
Any higher and you'll have flooding problems. As for aesthetics, think
of it as a statement of the banality of utility. A simple minimalist
phrase that draws in the eye and says "...what the heck is this for?"

Have you swapped any FE intakes lately? I'm going to be building one
before long, and I might be a little down in my back...:-)
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 07:57:00 EST
From: L7514 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Kitchen Magic

Get yourself some plexiglass to lay on the counter top first, then you can
slide your parts around as much as you want without harming the countertop.
Use a little 2-sided tape if it wants to slide around on ya.
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:01:06 EST
From: GHOLSM aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 289 OR 302

I am wondering does anyone know how to differentiate a 289 from a 302
visually? I have know idea what it came out of it's still blue with the
rounded off valve covers.
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:01:31 EST
From: L7514 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351W carb

Since we're on the carb. subject. I've got a 300 I-6, that could really use a
new carb. The old one is leaking a little and there's a little plastic push
rod thingy that has fallen off of it. Im not too sure what it did, but the
carb still seems to work quite well without it. Thanks for any info.
Lance
74 F100 Custom 300 I-6 3spd. man.
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 05:05:43 -0800 (PST)
From: Kat
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 78 f150 small block flywheel

HELP I am desperate - sent this message yesterday and never got any
replies so I will try one more time. I really need to find out before
I leave work for the day which is soon.

My husband is rebuilding a 78 F150 small block 302 automatic to put
into a 77 F150 small block 302 3-speed. He needs to know if the
flywheel will match up. Can Anyone help me

A desperate wife.



_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?

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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:03:46 EST
From: GHOLSM aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Camper special or F-350

Can anyone tell me if 1971 F-350 uses the same hub as the Camper Special.
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:34:37 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 302 flywheels

Kat writes: >>the guy doing the balancing had a tough time getting it all to
balance
internally, actually couldn't and ended up using the harmonic and the
flywheel a little too

Either flywheel should work with either engine.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:37:49 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 302 flywheels

Ignore that previous post: Kat didn't write that, (can I blame it on Old
Age???) She did write this:

>>Help, my husband is rebuilding a 78 F15 0 small block 302 automatic
transmission and putting it in a 77 F150
small block 302 3-speed. He needs to know if the flywheel is
interchangeable (will it line up). Any help will be greatly appreciated

Either flywheel should work with either engine.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:43:31 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Chokes at high load

Josh Assing writes: >> I was driving on the freeway (about 70-75mph) when I
started going up hill and it "choked" like it was out of gas... No clue as to
what happened, I eased off the gas and it drove just fine.

Classic case of starving for fuel. (Gets enough for low to medium rpm with no
load, but bogs down under load at moderate engine speeds) Look for restrictions
in the gas line or a weak fuel pump. Clogged filter - Kinks in lines -
collapsing rubber line between pump and tank, etc.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:51:21 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Toploader

Brian Michael Logan writes: >>Does the list know what is meant by a "toploader"
transmission?

Probably the toughest 4 speed to be offered in any production vehicle.

>>Is it ford?

YES! 1962 thru about 1973 or thereabouts.


Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:10:52 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 390/410

William Hart writes: >>That was my thought, so now with the 390 pistons, if I
have a 410 crank, the pistons will come out of the block right ? That would be
bad ... is there anyway I can check the crank?

By .200" less the normal deck clearance these engines had from the factory.(I
think this was somewhere around .007". I'm sure there are cast #'s for the
cranks stamped on them, but for the life of me I have absolutely no recollection
of them - none - nada - zilch.

If I were you, I would assemble the crank/rod/piston assy in the block with out
the rings but using the main and rod bearings and check them all at TDC. If
they protrude by approx .200", then I would be trying to locate some 410
pistons. If they don't protrude, then you are OK

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:26:49 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 289 OR 302

At 07:01 AM 3/12/99 , you wrote:
>I am wondering does anyone know how to differentiate a 289 from a 302
>visually? I have know idea what it came out of it's still blue with the
>rounded off valve covers.

If you know what year the motor is, and what it came out of, it may help.
Check the casting numbers, if it hasn't been messed with too much, check
the intake part number, if its before 68 its most likely a 289, if its 69
or later, its most likely a 302.

>From the www.wrljet.com site, it looks like the strokes will be different,
so the old dowel in the spark plug hole should do the trick, find TDC, put
a mark on the dowel, then find BDC (180 on the crank I bet :) and mark the
dowel, then measure the distance between the marks looks like 2.87" stroke
is 289, 3" is 302 ...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:28:28 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 f150 small block flywheel

>My husband is rebuilding a 78 F150 small block 302 automatic to put
>into a 77 F150 small block 302 3-speed. He needs to know if the
>flywheel will match up. Can Anyone help me
>

THey will line up, but usually the manual flywheel is heavier and weighted
differently (the auto is 0 balanced usually), so they will bolt up, but are
not interchangeable. If he's using the auto tranny he needs an auto
flywheel, and same thing for manual...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:31:09 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 390/410

>If I were you, I would assemble the crank/rod/piston assy in the block
with out
>the rings but using the main and rod bearings and check them all at TDC. If
>they protrude by approx .200", then I would be trying to locate some 410
>pistons. If they don't protrude, then you are OK
>

Thanks Azie, that's close to what I was plannin on doin, so now I know :)

BTW how do you pronounce Azie ? Is it like A-Z or is it ahh-z ?


Thanks,
wish
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:34:10 -0500 (EST)
From: CLARE WATERMAN
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Fuel pump specs

On Fri, 12 Mar 1999, William L. Ballinger wrote:

> > does anyone out there know the specs (psi, GPH capacity) on the OEM
> > mechanical fuel pump from a 71 360? you know, the hideous one with the
> > screw on filter unit. (hideous as in not aesthetically pleasing)
>
> It should pump between 6-9 psi when cranking. I don't know the GPH,
> Any higher and you'll have flooding problems. As for aesthetics, think
> of it as a statement of the banality of utility. A simple minimalist
> phrase that draws in the eye and says "...what the heck is this for?"
>
> Have you swapped any FE intakes lately? I'm going to be building one
> before long, and I might be a little down in my back...:-)

not lately-- but am going to have some head work done soon so i'm pumping
up for it/....

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Clare M. Waterman-Storer, Ph.D.
Department of Biology
University of North Carolina
Chapel Hill, NC, 27599-3280

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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:36:15 -0500 (EST)
From: CLARE WATERMAN
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Toploader

On Fri, 12 Mar 1999 am14 daimlerchrysler.com wrote:

> Brian Michael Logan writes: >>Does the list know what is meant by a "toploader"
> transmission?
>
> Probably the toughest 4 speed to be offered in any production vehicle.
>
> >>Is it ford?
>
> YES! 1962 thru about 1973 or thereabouts.
>

azie- how do you recognize one in a junkyard?

>
> Azie
> Ardmore, Al.
>
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Clare M. Waterman-Storer, Ph.D.
Department of Biology
University of North Carolina
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 07:06:57 PST
From: "jj sanchez"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 240/300 noise

I also swapped in a 300 for a 240 recently. The 300 ('75 block) pressure
sending unit towards the back just like the 240 ('66 block) so you can't
ID them by that.

My remanufactured longblock 300 has about 100 miles on it. It has
developed a loud ticking noise after it warms up. The ticking follows
rpm's but goes away at higher rpms. I used a hose to my ear and tried to
pinpoint the noise, as far as I can tell, it is coming from the timing
gear cover area.

I took it to mechanic where I bought the engine. They could not find the
cause of the noise. They said they checked fuel pump and behind timing
gear cover. Anybody have any ideas? Could it just be valve noise? It's
got a new water pump. I re-used the old harmonic balancer form the 240,
could that be the problem?

JJ
67 f-100 stepside




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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:08:10 -0500
From: skip svic.net
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1967 289

I have a 1967 289 out of a ford ranch wagon that I would like to put
into a 82 f100. I am going to rebuild the motor and would like about
300 horses. Will I need lots of Hi-pro parts? What does a stock 67 289
put out? the original motor in the truck is a 3.8 v-6 and the truck is
way underpowered. I am not looking for a race truck but would like it
to get out of its own way when i push on the gas. Can I use the
transmission that was in the wagon?
BTW I am putting the 3.8 in a 320i BMW with a 5.0 mustang transmission
YEEE HAAAA.

thanks for any help

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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:13:03 -0600
From: "Eric Washburn"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 240 or 300?

I have a 240 in my '67, and the oil pressure sending unit is behind the
distributor on mine.

'67 F-100 Custom Cab
Azle, Tx


>>I had posted a message a few days ago asking if there was any sure-fire =
>easy
>>way to tell a 240 from a 300.
>>Does the lack of response mean there is no easy way to tell or does it =
>mean
>>that the question is so dumb that it doesn't deserve an answer?
>>John
>
>Don't know if this is the answer or not. But having just swapped in a 300
=
>for a 240 the only difference I noticed was that the oil pressure sending =
>unit on the 300 is in front of the distributor, on the 240 it was behind =
>it. I had to splice in some extra wire to make it reach. I don't know if
=
>this difference is due to the difference between a 240 and 300 or if the =
>300 I put in was made in a different year. Anybody got any ideas on this?
>
>High Plains Richard
>'72 F-100
>


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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:24:22 -0700
From: "Richard Currit"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Dating a 300

>I would put my money on the engine's year. My 300 out of a '78 E100 has
>the oil pressure sending unit behind the distributor close to the rear of
>the engine.

Thanks John. Ok, since the original 240 in my '72 had the sending unit in =
the same place as your 78, that tells me that my "new" 300 is a pre-72 =
block. Good news to me since the compression ratings dropped pretty =
drastically through the years. If I remember right (which I probably =
don't) in the late 60's the compression was 9.something:1, early 70's was =
like 8.4:1 and by the late 70's it was about 8:1. Does this sound in the =
ballpark? Anybody know what year the change in sending unit placement =
took place? Anybody now when and what the exact changes in compression =
took place? Thanks.

High Plains Richard
'72 F-100


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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:23:48 EST
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Shortie's for FE's

Hey Bill,

Good job on the research. Did you happen to ask if he had a stick or auto? I
imagine it is probably stick, but you never know....the clutch linkage is what
I'm thinking about here....

Now, did both the 1/2 ton and 3/4 ton trucks in those years have divorced
tranfer cases? If his was divorced, I would it expect it to have a little more
"driveline clearance" than if it was married...but its just another guess.

I'll go out on a limb and get a set, but only if they can be returned if they
don't fit and try them in mine, but its going to be another few months till I
get that far on my 69....

CJ



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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:30:31 -0500
From: Ted Wnorowski
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 289 OR 302 & Toploaders

William S Hart wrote:

>
> >From the http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.wrljet.com site

This site has ID info on the Toploaders also.

Ted Wnorowski

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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:34:05 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Shortie's for FE's

>Good job on the research. Did you happen to ask if he had a stick or auto? I
>imagine it is probably stick, but you never know....the clutch linkage is what
>I'm thinking about here....
>
Its an auto now ...


>Now, did both the 1/2 ton and 3/4 ton trucks in those years have divorced
>tranfer cases? If his was divorced, I would it expect it to have a little more
>"driveline clearance" than if it was married...but its just another guess.
>
Hmmm...couldn't tell you that for sure, maybe I'll give him another call
this weekend to ask about the lift and that ...

>I'll go out on a limb and get a set, but only if they can be returned if they
>don't fit and try them in mine, but its going to be another few months till I
>get that far on my 69....
>
I'll probably break mine in with the stock manifolds, I'm sure Stan will
work with you on making them returnable ... I'm still thinkin we might ask
if he can shorten up the driver's side ...

Hey does anyone know the frame widths on the various years ? Is the 66
wider than the 73 ? I notice Mark was a little worried about the
passenger's side, but Jason that I talked to said he had no problems there...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 07:37:55 -0800 (PST)
From: draco pacifier.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Shortie's for FE's

William S Hart wrote:
> I know everyone's dyin to hear the results of the guy with the 66

It was a '66? I wonder how good the comparison would be to a '70's
truck. When I thought it was a '67 I didn't feel too bad. Isn't
a '66 a whole 'nother beast? (Think I got that right '67-'72
right?)

> The only thing he could think of was that the driver's side was
> kinda close to the drive shaft, ....

This would be the problem on my truck. Could you take a look at my
comments about the passenger side on my web site, check it out on
your truck, and let me know what you think? My engine is still out
so I cannot be exact about these things.

> While I was starin at the pictures he sent me (he=Stan at FPA), it
> looks to me like if the driver's side header had shortened runners
> before the collector (straight pieces just sectioned out), that it
> would be quite a bit shorter, and maybe fit better in the 4x4's.

I totally agree here. I think we could talk Stan into doing this
for us but I would rather have the collector closer to the block
to better align the collector between the engine and driveshaft.
To me the bigger issue is the passenger side, and I don't have A/C.

> Best answer I guess would be to send a truck up to Stan so he
> could look at it and maybe make some recommendations, but I
> haven't talked to him about it (its a heck of a commute from IA
> too!)

I am thinking I am going to put the stock manifolds on for now. If
we want to persue this (I do), and if Stan is willing to put the
time into it I can take my truck up there. From previous
conversations I don't think he is, at least not for only 4 sets.

OH MAN, I JUST HAD A THOUGHT. Doesn't he make Tri-Y's for FE's
in trucks? Why couldn't he cut the vertical sections and attach
collectors facing down where we want them? I'll give him a call
about that.

> Thoughts?
> Questions?
> Comments?
> Threats?
> Promises?

I think I covered most of these.

Mark in Southwest Washington
www.pacifier.com/~draco
- --
'74 F-100 4X4
'74 F-250 Supercab

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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 07:38:43 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1967 289

Thanks for your message at 10:08 AM 3/12/99 -0500, skip svic.net. Your
message was:
>BTW I am putting the 3.8 in a 320i BMW with a 5.0 mustang transmission
>YEEE HAAAA.
If it's like the 3.8s I've had, it'll be more like HEEE HAW.

Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 07:39:28 -0800 (PST)
From: draco pacifier.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Halogen Lights - Dielectric Grease

TECHNIC HELIOS wrote:
> They suggest making sure your light socket is clean/non-corroded
> (contact/tuner cleaner?) and packing the socket with a little
> contact grease, like come in the towing light wire harness kits.
> I used silicon dielectric grease, as for distributor rotors, etc.
> Goal is to keep moisture out, so the brass doesn't corrode.

For years, I have known about using this kind of grease on
electrical contacts but have no idea where to get some. If it is
used on distributor rotors does that mean you can get it at an
auto parts store? Do I just need to find something that says
"dielectric" on it?

Also where do you get contact cleaner? I asked for some at a
local auto parts store and he told me to use brake cleaner. It
pretty much destroyed the plastic connector to my voltage
regulator and didn't do anything to clean the contacts.

Mark in Southwest Washington
www.pacifier.com/~draco
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'74 F-250 Supercab

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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:41:11 -0600
From: "John R. Austin"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 240 or 300?

Good!

- -----Original Message-----
From: Bill Beyer
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, March 11, 1999 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 240 or 300?


>60
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John R. Austin
>To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>Date: Wednesday, March 10, 1999 8:02 AM
>Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 240 or 300?
>
>
>>You are forgiven, my son. Now, can you tell me how to tell the difference
>>between a 240 and a 300?
>>John
>
>
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:01:06 EST
From: Boon40 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - clip your posts?

What does this mean?
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:03:15 EST
From: Fignewtun aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - thermostat temp for 460

Could someone tell me what the proper thermostat temp is for a 460? Parts guy
says 205 degrees. I thought that sounded kinda high. Fig
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:10:25 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - thermostat temp for 460

>Could someone tell me what the proper thermostat temp is for a 460? Parts guy
>says 205 degrees. I thought that sounded kinda high. Fig

The book the parts guy was looking at probably puts the stock one in bold,
and I believe 205 would be stock, but as vehicles get older their cooling
systems are a bit more inefficient, at any rate I'd go with a 195 or 180,
depending on what you have in there now and how its running. Also depends
what part of the country you're in ...if you're in Alaska, you can probably
get away with the 205 ... Southern CA, a 180 is probably better suited to
you ...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:09:58 -0800
From: "Wiltzius, Tom"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - advice on: 72 "Custom Sport" 4wd

Josh,
I had a 351 in my truck once that did that up hill choke out thing.
I finally chased it down to the fuel pump. If I took the output line off of
the pump
and cranked it it would squirt gas like the dickens. At first I figured it
was ok.
After I exausted all other possibilitiess I went back to the fuel pump. With
my finger
over the output line there was no pressure! but it would still squirt.
Relaced it and
presto end of problem

Tom
Reno,NV
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:31:14 -0500
From: Ted Wnorowski
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Halogen Lights - Dielectric Grease

Permatex makes Dielectric tune-up grease that comes in a .33oz tube. You can find this stuff at just about any auto parts store. The only problem with the Permatex is you can ussually only find it in the small tubes. I went to NAPA last week and they had a larger tube that will last me awhile. Just ask them for dielectric grease.
As for contact cleaner, LPS has this stuff called NoFlash Electro Contact Cleaner. I'm not sure where to buy this stuff. The can I've got is from the electrician at work. I know it is great for displacing moisture, and when my jet-pump for the cistern screwed up a couple of months ago, it took care of it in a heartbeat. The name and # on the back of the can is:
LPS Laboratories, Inc.
Tucker,GA
30085-5052
1-800-241-8334

Hope this helps,
Ted Wnorowski
Bellevue,OH

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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:33:47 EST
From: My427Stang aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Toploader

Not only are toploaders tough, there are a few kinds that are super tough, I
run a CJ / Boss 9 Toploader in my car, and its got a 1 3/8 input shaft, and a
larger output, The input is bugger than the one in my 71 truck! Super
trannies in my book, I just wish they were aluminum cased, then they'd be a
littler easier to pick up!
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:37:04 EST
From: My427Stang aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Shortie's for FE's

Who sells these shorties again? I have a buddy who needs a set of tri-y's for
a Galaxy, I assume thats what they are for originally
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:53:59 -0800
From: "J.S.H."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FE fuel pump

"does anyone out there know the specs (psi, GPH capacity) on the OEM
mechanical fuel pump from a 71 360? you know, the hideous one with the
screw on filter unit. (hideous as in not aesthetically pleasing)

TIA

clare"


According to my 76 manual it should be 5-7 PSI and flow 1 pint in
20 seconds.I don't know of any reason it would'nt be the same for 71.
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:57:10 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Shortie's for FE's

At 10:37 AM 3/12/99 , you wrote:
>Who sells these shorties again? I have a buddy who needs a set of tri-y's for
>a Galaxy, I assume thats what they are for originally

Ford Powertrain Applications ...

He has them for that specifically

www.http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.fordpowertrain.com/

he has both shorties and tri-ys for him


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:10:31 -0800
From: "Josh Assing"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Thanks to all for advice on: 72 "Custom Sport" 4wd

> left in mine is the brake warning light. It comes on when the parking
That seems to be teh consensus. No switch on mine.. Doesn't
even look like there's a place for a switch. Tried to find a shop
manual -- both Haynes & Chilton's dont' ahve one anymore for it...
"too old" Oh well.

> front disc brakes or the rear drum brakes).
71 had disk brakes? This one has drums all around. I heard that
the power steering and disks were an option, as was power brakes.
Luckily, I have power brakes.

> BTW, you have a very nice looking truck.
Thanks... I couldn't pass it up. If I can get the steering all fixed up;
i'll use it as my daily driver. I really like the looks of those years.

Cheers
- -josh

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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:10:30 -0800
From: "Josh Assing"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - advice on: 72 "Custom Sport" 4wd

> to the fuel pump. With my finger
> over the output line there was no pressure! but it would still squirt.
> Relaced it and presto end of problem
That was my first guess, the fuel pump, but it looks new. They
aren't that expensive, so I'll try it. I was thinking of putting an
electrical one, but those are expensive...

I'll try that this weekend, when I tear down the manual steering box
to see how munched it is and (ug) replace the gear oil I put in with
grease....

Cheers
- -josh
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:17:43 -0800
From: "J.S.H."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Sell it

"I'd rather sell the blazer, but w/o power
steering, the ford is a bitch to drive; and w/o a low range it's not
good for me 4x4ing."

No brainer!Sell the bl#*er!! Use the money to up grade the Ford.I don't
think P/S was a option on 71 4x4 but I'm sure someone has converted one.
I don't think it would be that difficult.I'm sure you can convert
over to a 2spd transfer case as these were available in 71 on the F-250
4x4.Is your T-case seperate(divorced)from your 4spd? If so,piece of cake
to convert if you find a F-250 donor.Just think how much better your
driveway and wallet would look with the ch*#% long gone.
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:35:53 -0800
From: "Josh Assing"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Sell it

> No brainer!Sell the bl#*er!! Use the money to up grade the Ford.I don't
Oh, duh!!! I must be asleep... I don't know why I didnt' think of that!
Sometimes, the obvious isn't so obvious when you aren't seeing
the big picture. D'oh! Thanks.

> think P/S was a option on 71 4x4 but I'm sure someone has converted one. I
I heard that if I correct the steering geometry, that it should be
much easier to steer. I'll try that route first.


> T-case seperate(divorced)from your 4spd? If so,piece of cake to convert if
No, it's bolted to the back of the transmition. (Dana 21 is stamped
on the plate on the transfer case)


> you find a F-250 donor.Just think how much better your driveway and wallet
All the neighbors have come up and said "Nice truck, now are you
getting rid of that orange piece of Sh*t?"

- -josh
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:45:43 -0800 (PST)
From: brian michael logan
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Contact Cleaner.

> As for contact cleaner, LPS has this stuff called NoFlash Electro Contact Cleaner. I'm not sure where to buy this stuff. The can I've got is from the electrician at work. I know it is great for displacing moisture, and when my jet-pump for the cistern screwed up a couple of months ago, it took care of it in a heartbeat. The name and # on the back of the can is:

Radio Shack has "tuner cleaner" for televisions and radios. It seems safe
enough on plastics and cleans contacts, volume knobs and the like. Does
Radio Shack exist back east?

Brian Logan
1967 F-100 240i6
1968 F-100 300i6

_____________________________________________________________________________
B r i a n M i c h a e l L o g a n


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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:51:24 EST
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Halogen Lights - Dielectric Grease

In a message dated 3/12/99 7:56:14 AM Pacific Standard Time,
draco pacifier.com writes:

>

Try your local Radio Shack or other similar store. Got some neat stuff

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:53:27 -0800
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: timing gear and other misc. parts

>I am trying to
figure out how I can get my short block on the kitchen counter without
scratching it up and making SWMBO madder than a wet March hen.

Try putting cardboard down on the table. That should keep your shortblock
in good shape. It's really great that your significant other cares so much
about your motor that she doesn't want to see it damaged!! ;0)

Tom H.
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:56:13 EST
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - thermostat temp for 460

Ive got a 192 in Tweety. Even during a long hard trip, it stays on the cool
side of NORM, so I feel safe with what I have. And seeins how Im in Vegas,
that should tell ya sumthin, unless you live out in Central Africa where 130'
is normal.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:53:32 -0800
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Thanks for advice on: 72 "Custom Sport" 4wd

> My folks had a 1970 2wd. That little light on the lower left of the dash
> says "brake". I don't know if it's hooked into the e-brake or possibly

My Dad had a 68 and the dash layout is very similar thru 72. The light is a
warning light for the brake system. Ford definately did not have a light
for the parking brake thru 76 and possibly to 79. After that I don't know.
I do remember he did a brake job and after that the light came on and we
could not get it to go off. I've read somewhere that it requires a special
bleeding technique to reset. On newer systems with disk/drums and a dual
master cylinder all you have to do to reset the light is fix the brake
problem (probably a leak somewhere) and mash down on the pedal really hard.

Tom H

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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:53:31 -0800
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Thanks for advice on: 72 "Custom Sport" 4wd

> Chilton's Unit Overhaul Section, Manual Steering/ Recirculating-Ball type.
> Be glad to share with you if you can't find.
I admit I'm a novice as keeping my beasts running. I can do it; but
I'm never shy about asking for advice & taking those words of
wisdom from folks in the know. I'll stop by the local auto parts
store to see if they have chiltons.



- - -josh

Josh,
Congrats on the new purchase. I haven't had a chance to look at the site
yet but I will. As to the Chilton's manual -- Check Helm publishing at
www.helminc.com. In general, Chilton's SUCK Ford tailpipe. The info is
much too general. They try to cover too broad a range of years and in so
doing can't get into enough specifics to be useful. Helm publishes the
original Ford factory service manual. Year specific and will cover every
truck model manufactured in that year (Bronco, F100 thru over the road
tractors). The problem is they may be out of stock or out of print for
your year but ask. Also check E-Bay. Service manuals go on auction there
sometimes.

Good luck

Tom H.
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:53:34 -0800
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: 78 F150 small block engine swap - flyweel

Kathy wrote:
Help, my husband is rebuilding a 78 F15 0 small block 302 automatic
transmission and putting it in a 77 F150
small block 302 3-speed. He needs to know if the flywheel is
interchangeable (will it line up). Any help will be greatly appreciated

Kathie/shugiebear
- -----------------
Kathy,
I see no reason why the flywheel from the 77 3-speed would not bolt onto the
78 302. Since they are both 302's and supposedly from similar years there
should be no issues with balance.

Good Luck
Tom H



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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:02:08 -0500
From: Ted Wnorowski
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Thanks to all for advice on: 72 "Custom Sport" 4wd

Josh Assing wrote:
>
Tried to find a shop
> manual -- both Haynes & Chilton's dont' ahve one anymore for it...
> "too old" Oh well.
>

When I had my '74 250 I bought a Chilton's Repair & Tune-up Guide. The part # is 6913. It covers'65-'86. Try amazon.com the last time I checked out their site, they had a bunch of different titles.

Ted

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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:01:23 -0800 (PST)
From: JP Morgon
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1967 289

You can do a lot to a 289 but its all going to be high-RPM power. A
few things to do to get some power, open up the exaustports to get
them flowing good. The exaust port is a weekend of the windsors. Use
about 9.5 compression, you'll need to run premium but it will give you
more torque. A low rise intake like the Edelbrock performer, and a
small carb like their 500CFM. Go with a cam in the 212 to 220 at .050
lift range. That should give you a big power gain from the 6shooter
but getting 300hp from a 289 for use in a truck isn't realistic. That
motor would be a bit of a dog off the line. Don't go to big when you
choose a cam, that engine is very easy to over do it! Mabey find
someone who would swap you for a 302 crank. That would give you a bit
more torque anywhere from 10-25lbs. Just make sure the 302 crank is
stamped 2M, the 289 is 1M. Good luck.

JT

_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?

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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:15:12 -0500
From: "Brent_Cole"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Sell it

From: Brent Cole ILGW on 03/12/99 01:15 PM EST


To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
cc:
Subject: Sell it


Don't go back to the Dark Side. Use the force. Sell it!





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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:23:57 -0800
From: "sam weatherby"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Rear Discs??

Here's something I saw pertaining to Scouts, any idea if a similar method
could be employed on our Fords?

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.off -road. com /~jweed/discrear.htm

Interesting approach.
-srw

Sam Weatherby http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://insert.com/sammy
SWeatherby UsWest.Net A-SamWe Microsoft.com
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:47:41 -0800
From: "Josh Assing"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Thanks for advice on: 72 "Custom Sport" 4wd

> www.helminc.com. In general, Chilton's SUCK Ford tailpipe. The info is
Thanks for the tip.

Helm only had an owners manual for that year. "72 Light Truck
owners manual"
{{Sigh}}

Oh well...I'll keep searching

Cheers
- -josh

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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:47:38 -0800
From: "Josh Assing"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Thanks to all for advice on: 72 "Custom Sport" 4wd

> When I had my '74 250 I bought a Chilton's Repair & Tune-up Guide. The
> part # is 6913. It covers'65-'86. Try amazon.com the last time I checked
> out their site, they had a bunch of different titles.
Amazon.com had it listed, but it's out of print. it was a generic "69-
7x f100-f350 gas & desiel shop manual"

:(

Oh well.

Thanks!
- -josh
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:55:21 -0500
From: "Brent_Cole"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Sell it

From: Brent Cole ILGW on 03/12/99 01:55 PM EST


To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
cc:
Subject: Re: Sell it


I guess you could keep it and tow it behind your truck. Maybe they do have
a use besides the alternator after all.



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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:55:21 -0500
From: "Brent_Cole"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Sell it

From: Brent Cole ILGW on 03/12/99 01:55 PM EST


To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
cc:
Subject: Re: Sell it


I guess you could keep it and tow it behind your truck. Maybe they do have
a use besides the alternator after all.



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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:26:27 -0500
From: Ted Wnorowski
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Thanks to all for advice on: 72 "Custom Sport" 4wd

Try a search on Auto Literature. Try these too: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.books4cars.com/welcome.html
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.books4cars.com/welcome.html
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://autolit.com/home.htm
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.autopaper.com/


Off to work I go,
Ted

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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:27:50 -0600
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Ford Centurion

I knew I had seen this truck before; I saw it again yesterday evening. From
the front it looks to have an 85 or 86 F100/F150 or full size Bronco
grille, hood, front fenders, etc. It has four doors. It looks to be just a
little smaller than a Suburban, but not much. This particular one is light
blue and white with a scheme similar to the same vintage Bronco. It was in
the parking lot at Lowe's. I saw this truck when it was new. Our local Ford
dealer sold it. I could see the truck real well and I am absolutely sure
that the nameplate on the tailgate said Centurion. My question is twofold.
Has anyone else ever seen one or maybe own one? Was this some kind of
custom job like the early supercab GM pickups?

- -John

jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom 351M C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!!!


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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:35:50 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Ford Centurion

>that the nameplate on the tailgate said Centurion. My question is twofold.
>Has anyone else ever seen one or maybe own one? Was this some kind of
>custom job like the early supercab GM pickups?
>
Yup, seen two or three, there's a guy on the offroad list who has one too.
They were put together by Centurion, took an F-350 and a bronco and rammed
them together at high speeds ... well okay, they just cut and welded, but
that's how it was done I guess...

Might check with the guys on the Offroad list, the guy who has one there
might be able to tell you quite a bit more about it. They are cool though!


Just my 2cents

wish

Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html
'73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html
'96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:24:17 EST
From: Doom460 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Ford Centurion

I own one. It is a combination of a 1989 F-350 Crew Cab and a Bronco. It is
white with a red/maroon strip through the middle of the side of the truck.
They removed the bed of the pickup(frame and all) and they mated the bronco
back end to it. After all of this was done, 28" was taken out of the overall
wheelbase. It is a custom made vehicle from Centurion vehicles out of White
Pigeon, MI. I am building my website up and it will have a picture of the
beast and all of the goodies(ex. 460c.i.d.). If anyone would like to see it,
please e-mail me to motivate me to finish it.

Rich May
1989 Centurion C350
1999 F250 Super Duty
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:42:09 -0500
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Ford Centurion

I knew I had seen this truck before; I saw it again yesterday evening.
From the front it looks to have an 85 or 86 F100/F150 or full size
Bronco grille, hood, front fenders, etc. It has four doors. It looks to
be just a little smaller than a Suburban, but not much. This particular
one is light blue and white with a scheme similar to the same vintage
Bronco. It was in the parking lot at Lowe's. I saw this truck when it
was new. Our local Ford dealer sold it. I could see the truck real well
and I am absolutely sure that the nameplate on the tailgate said
Centurion. My question is twofold. Has anyone else ever seen one or
maybe own one? Was this some kind of custom job like the early supercab
GM pickups?

I seen one a local ford dealer a few years ago...they are huge and
awesome. They are an aftermarket company kinda like saleen, which makes
mustanf faster and handle better, Centurion makes the best trucks ever
built bigger and stronger!
Chris
94 lightning #381
NLOC #238
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:46:25 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Loving your car ...

I know this isn't exactly truck related, but for those of you who really
LOVE your car ... check out :

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.cnn.com/US/9903/05/AM-BRF--MarryingMustang.ap/index.html

If you have trouble with that one, check
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/married.html

Laters
wish
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:15:21 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Ford Centurion

We used to see quite a few of them at the dealer where I worked. Frankly the
quality of the fit & finish on all of the ones I saw left allot to be
desired. Obviously the base components are fine but some of the assembly &
welding was pretty amateur. The interior was cush but again, after a few
years of wear & tear it didn't look like it would hold up real well.

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From: John LaGrone
To: Ford Trucks 61-79
Date: Friday, March 12, 1999 12:33 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Ford Centurion


>I knew I had seen this truck before; I saw it again yesterday evening. From
>the front it looks to have an 85 or 86 F100/F150 or full size Bronco
>grille, hood, front fenders, etc. It has four doors. It looks to be just a
>little smaller than a Suburban, but not much. This particular one is light
>blue and white with a scheme similar to the same vintage Bronco. It was in
>the parking lot at Lowe's. I saw this truck when it was new. Our local Ford
>dealer sold it. I could see the truck real well and I am absolutely sure
>that the nameplate on the tailgate said Centurion. My question is twofold.
>Has anyone else ever seen one or maybe own one? Was this some kind of
>custom job like the early supercab GM pickups?
>
>-John
>
>jlagrone ford-trucks.com
>1979 F150 Custom 351M C6 (Henry)
>http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
>Dearborn iron rules!!!!!!
>
>
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:28:08 -0700
From: "Miska, Richard L (Rick)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 78 F-150 High Output Halogen Lights

Here is an easy cheap upgrade that I did on my 1979 Bronco. It has the
square headlights. Yugo's used the same size headlight, but they all had
lexan lenses instead of glass. In states where there is gravel instead of
salt in the winter, it will save you money, and no headlight grillguard....


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