61-79-list-digest Friday, March 12 1999 Volume 03 : Number 085



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - 240/300 ID
FTE 61-79 - 460 Rebuild for Mileage
FTE 61-79 - Melling Hi Flo Pump
FTE 61-79 - Replace my valves ?
FTE 61-79 - Fueling Heads using fast burn
FTE 61-79 - anyone got a 351w carb?
FTE 61-79 - timing gear and other misc. parts
RE: FTE 61-79 - repost:460 rebuild for mileage?
Re: FTE 61-79 - timing gear and other misc. parts
FTE 61-79 - Shortie's for FE's
FTE 61-79 - Cam specs
FTE 61-79 - 390/410
Re: FTE 61-79 - 390/410
FTE 61-79 - Re: 240 or 300?
Re: FTE 61-79 - 75-77 f250 4x4 crew cab
FTE 61-79 - please clip your posts ! ! !
FTE 61-79 - 78 F150 small block engine swap - flyweel
FTE 61-79 - Thanks to all for advice on: 72 "Custom Sport" 4wd
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: 240 or 300?
Re: FTE 61-79 - please clip your posts ! ! !
Re: FTE 61-79 - Thanks for advice on: 72 "Custom Sport" 4wd
Re: FTE 61-79 - Thanks for advice on: 72 "Custom Sport" 4wd
FTE 61-79 - 78 F-150 High Output Halogen Lights
Re: FTE 61-79 - Thanks for advice on: 72 "Custom Sport" 4wd
FTE 61-79 - Transmission?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Thanks for advice on: 72 "Custom Sport" 4wd
Re: FTE 61-79 - Thanks for advice on: 72 "Custom Sport" 4wd
Re: FTE 61-79 - Thanks for advice on: 72 "Custom Sport" 4wd
Re: FTE 61-79 - Thanks for advice on: 72 "Custom Sport" 4wd
FTE 61-79 - FE Shorty Headers - FPA
Re: FTE 61-79 - Thanks for advice on: 72 "Custom Sport" 4wd
FTE 61-79 - fuel pump specs
Re: FTE 61-79 - 240 or 300?
Re: FTE 61-79 - FE Shorty Headers - FPA
Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 F-150 High Output Halogen Lights
Re: FTE 61-79 - 351m400
Re: FTE 61-79 - 240 or 300?
Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 F-150 High Output Halogen Lights
FTE 61-79 - Gravity bleed
Re: FTE 61-79 - Thanks to all for advice on: 72 "Custom Sport" 4wd
FTE 61-79 - '67 F-250
FTE 61-79 - Thanks for the info
Re: FTE 61-79 - Fueling Heads using fast burn

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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 05:27:52 -0600
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 240/300 ID

> >I had posted a message a few days ago asking if there was any sure-fire
> easy
> >way to tell a 240 from a 300.
> >Does the lack of response mean there is no easy way to tell or does it mean
> >that the question is so dumb that it doesn't deserve an answer?
> >John
> >
> >
> >
> >Our Savior Lutheran Church
> >1101 Old Cleburne Road
> >Granbury, TX 76048
> >(817) 573-5011


I wouldn't be messin with John, he's got a friend in high places!

I don't know the stroke length between the two, but the dowel trick is
likely the best way.

I usually tell them apart by the sound. The 240 whines all the time
that " I just can't do it, I just can't do it" the 300 barks " what
were they thinkin! Just two more cylinders and I'da got some respect!"
all the time. :-)
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 05:46:45 -0600
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 460 Rebuild for Mileage

> Dear Friends,
> I have an extra 460 block that i would like to rebuild for gas mileage. Is
> this possible? If i could get 14 mpg, it would be great. I am putting it in a
> 78 F-150 4x4. It has a c-6 trans, with a 3.50 axle. I use this truck as a
> daily driver and deer hunting. No rocks around here, just mud. Any rebuild
> recipe would be appreciated. I have some money to put into this project. Would
> fuel injection help. Let me know. Thanks, Boon

14 mpg might be difficult to get in anything but highway running, when
you step into a 460 even lightly they'll suck some gas. Fuel injection
will help, but correct me if I'm wrong guys, there was only a
speed-density setup available. This will limit power upgrades to light
stock and the towing stuff people use (air-filter, cat-back exhaust up
grades, etc.) If that performance will satisfy you (it would me) your
mileage goals will be fairly realistic. You'd be ahead to just buy a
used low-mileage engine with everything still on it for $2000 or so.
You get good injectors, and all the stuff to make it work right. You'll
need an EEC-IV computer and get the entire harness setup. If you can do
this all yourself, $2000-$2500 would give you alot of bang for your
buck.

It would be hard to get that kind of mileage with a carb. You'd have to
get a Quadrajet from a Chevy 454, and I think you'd still miss it by two
or more depending on your driving style.
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 07:49:29 -0800
From: "Steve Schmeckpeper"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Melling Hi Flo Pump

All,
FTR..... I've had a Hi Flo in my 302 since it was rebuilt 11yrs and 153,000
ago. I get 70lbs at 70mph and ~40lbs at idle.

Smeck
79 F100
FTE "Brain Trust"

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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 07:49:40 -0600
From: "don"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Replace my valves ?

question..I messed up and can not install valves in same place they came
out...is there any way I can still use them..or do I have to buy new ones ?
thanx for any info
donb ficom.net
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Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 07:04:59 -0700
From: "James Draughn"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Fueling Heads using fast burn

Whats this about Fueling Heads using fast burn
technology? There where articles mentioned but from what magazine or web
site? Im interested in learning about these. Thanks

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Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 07:09:09 -0700
From: "James Draughn"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - anyone got a 351w carb?

I have been rebuilding my 351w and its almost ready to go in! I am however
in need of a carb for it and the cheapest I can find around here is around
200.00, and thats for rebuilt. Does anyone got a good spare one lying
around that is somewheres around Salt Lake City? Or, does anyone know where
I could order one for cheaper then 200 bucks. And also, any recommendations
on a good carb? its a 2 barrel carb that fits on the stock intake. Engine
is out of a 79 Ford Van. Thanks for the help

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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 08:01:30 -0600
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - timing gear and other misc. parts

>>I am trying to
figure out how I can get my short block on the kitchen counter without
scratching it up and making SWMBO madder than a wet March hen. The heads
and other parts I think I can manage to get in the kitchen OK. hehehehehe
:^)

Stu Stu Stu..... Don't you remember my post about a month back? You are
supposed to do all of your cleaning and prepping for paint by soaking the
appropriate FE part in the bathtub.

I have no experience on FE rocker/shaft assemblies, so I have a question.
Are the shafts steel and the rockers aluminum? If so, little pieces of
steel will find their way inside the rocker where they will stick and then
commence to scribe nice little grooves in the shafts. My dad's 66 Buick was
notoriuos for doing this.


- -John

jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom 351M C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!!!


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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:03:39 -0500
From: "John MacNamara"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - repost:460 rebuild for mileage?

I have a 460 in a supercab with 3:50 gears and the best I ever got was
around 10 or 11.


Thanks
John MacNamara

805 577 2536 wk
805 577 2768 fx
805 526 3464 hm
ESN 495-2536
jmacnam nortelnetworks.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From:Boon40 aol.com [SMTP:Boon40 aol.com]
> Sent:Wednesday, March 10, 1999 6:02 PM
> To:61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject:FTE 61-79 - repost:460 rebuild for mileage?
>
> Dear Friends,
> I have an extra 460 block that i would like to rebuild for gas
> mileage. Is
> this possible? If i could get 14 mpg, it would be great. I am putting it
> in a
> 78 F-150 4x4. It has a c-6 trans, with a 3.50 axle. I use this truck as a
> daily driver and deer hunting. No rocks around here, just mud. Any rebuild
> recipe would be appreciated. I have some money to put into this project.
> Would
> fuel injection help. Let me know. Thanks, Boon
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 08:15:56 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - timing gear and other misc. parts

>I have no experience on FE rocker/shaft assemblies, so I have a question.
>Are the shafts steel and the rockers aluminum? If so, little pieces of
>steel will find their way inside the rocker where they will stick and then
>commence to scribe nice little grooves in the shafts. My dad's 66 Buick was
>notoriuos for doing this.

I think they're actually both steel, well cast anyway for the rockers, but
now that I think about it, I haven't even looked at mine all cleaned up and
stuff, maybe they are aluminum. Anyway another thing to watch out for is
getting metal shavings in the oiling holes...that metal shaving problem
must be a GM thing, my dad's 57 Olds came back from a rebuild with a
ticking lifter (he was not very pleased, after 9 weeks he expected a
perfect engine), turned out there was a piece of metal blocking the oil
galley in the shaft. He ended up using compressed air to blow the shaft
clean, unfortunately he didn't pay attention to where his thumb was and
caught the piece of metal in the end of his thumb. Just a warning about
compressed air and metal shavings. He's fine (no infections or anything),
but he said it hurt a lot.


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 08:27:45 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Shortie's for FE's

I know everyone's dyin to hear the results of the guy with the 66 and
shortie headers on an FE. Okay, well a few of us are interested. I talked
to him last night, name was Jason, he lives up in Michigan. Sounded like
the 390 he had in the 66 was not original (duh), but I mean he had a 6
originally and sapped it for a 390. It is a 4x4, he's runnin 40" mudders,
but of course I forgot to ask if he had a lift on it, and whether it was
body or suspension (dumb to miss that in retrospect). He said everything
just went right on, no problems. The only thing he could think of was that
the driver's side was kinda close to the drive shaft, so you had to put a
pretty good bend in the pipe to get it to miss. Of course if he has a lift
it will be worse for those of us with stock, so I may call him back tonight
and see.

While I was starin at the pictures he sent me (he=Stan at FPA), it looks to
me like if the driver's side header had shortened runners before the
collector (straight pieces just sectioned out), that it would be quite a
bit shorter, and maybe fit better in the 4x4's. That's just my thought
though, haven't actually seen one of these headers yet.

So guess I'm lookin for thoughts, you all still interested in makin these
work ? Or should we ask Stan about maybe makin a new driver's side (I
figure one will be cheaper/easier, since the passenger's side shouldn't be
an issue...though it might if you have air?) Best answer I guess would be
to send a truck up to Stan so he could look at it and maybe make some
recommendations, but I haven't talked to him about it (its a heck of a
commute from IA too!)

Thoughts?
Questions?
Comments?
Threats?
Promises ?

Wish
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:55:35 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Cam specs

William Hart writes: >>Cam Lift .296 .311 (intake/exhaust)
Valve Lift .512 .538
SAE Duration 292/302
0.050 Duration 214/224
Lobe Centers 104/120

If memory serves me correctly, these are better #s than the stock GT390 and the
CJ428 from the '67/70 years. Should be a very strong puller to about 4500/5
grand, and just love the 2000-3500 range.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:59:32 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 390/410

William Hart writes: >>the guy doing the balancing had a tough time getting it
all to balance internally, actually couldn't and ended up using the harmonic and
the flywheel a little too

Even more indication for a 410. If you have a 390 crank and 410 pistons, the
piston should not come nearly as close to the top of the block when assembled as
to give the proprer compression.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:17:44 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 390/410

>William Hart writes: >>the guy doing the balancing had a tough time
getting it
>all to balance internally, actually couldn't and ended up using the harmonic
>and
>the flywheel a little too
>
>Even more indication for a 410. If you have a 390 crank and 410 pistons, the
>piston should not come nearly as close to the top of the block when
>assembled as
>to give the proprer compression.
>
That was my thought, so now with the 390 pistons, if I have a 410 crank,
the pistons will come out of the block right ? That would be bad ... is
there anyway I can check the crank? I looked all over that thing for
markings and I couldn't find any at all, is there a place where I will be
able to find a casting number for sure ? I tried measuring (with a tape
measure) the stroke, is there anything else I could/should try ? I'm
looking at mounting the crank this weekend, posibly a piston or two, I
guess I'll know then for sure, but I'd like to have the right pistons and
everything on the first shot ...


Thanks,
wish
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 08:27:51 -0700
From: "Richard Currit"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 240 or 300?

>I had posted a message a few days ago asking if there was any sure-fire =
easy
>way to tell a 240 from a 300.
>Does the lack of response mean there is no easy way to tell or does it =
mean
>that the question is so dumb that it doesn't deserve an answer?
>John

Don't know if this is the answer or not. But having just swapped in a 300 =
for a 240 the only difference I noticed was that the oil pressure sending =
unit on the 300 is in front of the distributor, on the 240 it was behind =
it. I had to splice in some extra wire to make it reach. I don't know if =
this difference is due to the difference between a 240 and 300 or if the =
300 I put in was made in a different year. Anybody got any ideas on this?

High Plains Richard
'72 F-100


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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 08:08:01 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 75-77 f250 4x4 crew cab

Thanks for your message at 11:31 PM 3/10/99 EST, JJJJJGRANT aol.com. Your
message was:
> i looked at a 75-77 f250 crew cab today, i'm still not sure what year, had a
>fe in it,
>with a fourspeed, it was cheap but rough, the old lady said; naw we aint
tryin
>to sell it, my son won't sell nuttin, but if you wont it i'll sell it to you,
>i been after him to git it out of here. she said it runs. but, there was a
>valve cover and rocker arms laying in the front seat, i'm not sure if it was
>off that truck or not, the hood latch was broke. she said 1200.00 for it, but
>i'm afraid if she did sell it to someone the son might go bezerk and shoot
>anybody trying to leave with it. if anyone is interested in it, i'll tell
you
>where its at, but i don't have a phone # for it, also if anyone is interested
>in a 65-66 f250 4x4, i'll tell you where its at also, i may have that number.
>both trucks are in northern georgia.
(I tried to trim this, but it would be a literary crime.)
Man, this is one of the best posts I've read...William Faulkner would be
envious...And oh yeah, I don't think I'd risk getting shot in northern
georgia trying to tow off a truck...well, on second thought it is a Ford...

But what do I know? I'm just a damn yankee...


Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 08:14:56 -0800
From: "Wiltzius, Tom"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - please clip your posts ! ! !

John MacNamara,

please clip your posts ! ! !

Tom
Reno,NV
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:25:23 -0800 (PST)
From: Kat
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 78 F150 small block engine swap - flyweel

Help, my husband is rebuilding a 78 F15 0 small block 302 automatic
transmission and putting it in a 77 F150
small block 302 3-speed. He needs to know if the flywheel is
interchangeable (will it line up). Any help will be greatly appreciated

Kathie/shugiebear


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DO YOU YAHOO!?

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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:46:37 -0800
From: "Josh Assing"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Thanks to all for advice on: 72 "Custom Sport" 4wd

Well; I bought the truck. Thanks to all who gave advice. As
promized, here's the url for pictures of it. It drove really bad --
stalled at all the lights. Got it home and replaced everything I could
(plugs/air filter were already done) so I replaced the fuel filters, and
rebuilt the carb. Which turns out what the problem was. The whole
thing was "loose" and there was massive vacuum leaks. Now it
runs like a champ, with the exception of the other day: I was driving
on the freeway (about 70-75mph) when I started going up hill and it
"choked" like it was out of gas... No clue as to what happened, I
eased off the gas and it drove just fine.

(Anyway to reasonably put a 4v on it w/o replacin the manifold?)

So: I took some pictures and posted some other questions at:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://198.107.138.81/joshsworld/f100.htm

(It's a computer on my desk work; so it might be slow.)
Appreciate any comments.

Oh yea: Depending on what the insurance company says about
having so many vehicles (car, blazer, 3 motorcycles and now this) I
may have to sell it. I'd rather sell the blazer, but w/o power
steering, the ford is a bitch to drive; and w/o a low range it's not
good for me 4x4ing. Before I even tuned it up; I had an offer of
2000 for it. (We paid 1000 for it). It was tempting, but I REALLY
like the looks of this truck! plus, I never want to sell to someone I
live near.
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:59:04 -0500
From: "John F. Bauer III"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: 240 or 300?

At 08:27 AM 3/11/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Don't know if this is the answer or not. But having just swapped in a 300
for a 240 the only difference I noticed was that the oil pressure sending
unit on the 300 is in front of the distributor, on the 240 it was behind
it. I had to splice in some extra wire to make it reach. I don't know if
this difference is due to the difference between a 240 and 300 or if the
300 I put in was made in a different year. Anybody got any ideas on this?
>
>High Plains Richard
>'72 F-100
>

I would put my money on the engine's year. My 300 out of a '78 E100 has
the oil pressure sending unit behind the distributor close to the rear of
the engine.

John


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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 13:25:17 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - please clip your posts ! ! !

At 08:14 AM 3/11/99 -0800, you wrote:

snip
>please clip your posts ! ! !

It has gotten out of hand. I've posted 3 warnings to 3 different
groups in the last week. This will now be enforced since people can't
seem to police themselves. 3 strikes and you're out.

Ken Payne

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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 10:40:13 -0800 (PST)
From: brian michael logan
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Thanks for advice on: 72 "Custom Sport" 4wd

Josh.

Other questions?

My folks had a 1970 2wd. That little light on the lower left of the dash
says "brake". I don't know if it's hooked into the e-brake or possibly
the master cylinder pressure? never seen it in action. I just dusted it
off and saw the word "brake" in there.


> So: I took some pictures and posted some other questions at:
>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://198.107.138.81/joshsworld/f100.htm

Brian M. Logan
1967 F-100 240i6
1968 F-100 300i6
I like the 67 better!
_____________________________________________________________________________
B r i a n M i c h a e l L o g a n


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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:57:23 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Thanks for advice on: 72 "Custom Sport" 4wd

Hey, on some of your "other questions"

1) Fan shroud ... yes you should probably have one. You will need to
measure the width of the radiator to determine which one you need. They
are also getting hard to find in good shape any more.

2) The steering, I'm not sure about switching to power, anything can be
done if you throw enough money at it, but easily and cost effectively,
there are several guys who can probably help you out. The steering link
that goes to the tie rod, you commented on the angle it's at... you might
try just flipping it around to the other side of the arm, that way it will
flatten out some of the angles ... may make steering a bit easier too.


Great site, I love the pics too ... looks like you've got a really nice
truck there.

Have fun :)


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:09:53 EST
From: TECHNIC HELIOS
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 78 F-150 High Output Halogen Lights

Perhaps this was covered, but I wanted to upgrade the 2 big square
headlights in a 78 F-150. I couldn't afford the $70 for a pair of Hella's
H-4, didn't want plain halogens, so I have tried the HIGH-OUTPUT halogen
sealed beams, made by GE and by Sylvania/Osram. This is not the same as
long life or plastic/stone resistant. Both brands seem much better on low
beam than regular halogen. Current Wal-Mart price is $10, so $20 per
vehicle. SAE-DOT-ETC. approved. They suggest making sure your light
socket is clean/non-corroded (contact/tuner cleaner?) and packing the
socket with a little contact grease, like come in the towing light wire
harness kits. I used silicon dielectric grease, as for distributor
rotors, etc. Goal is to keep moisture out, so the brass doesn't corrode.
All halogens require FULL voltage for maximum life, whereas non-halogen
bulbs actually last longer (but dimmer) on lower voltage. There was a
tech article on the FTE web site discussing headlight relays, but it is
the only article that won't download for me. Anyway, cheap good headlight
upgrade for trucks with a total of two square headlights per vehicle.
Haven't seen units for 7" round yet. 12 volt, of course. BTW, sometimes
GE run rebates on lights.
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:11:00 -0800
From: "Josh Assing"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Thanks for advice on: 72 "Custom Sport" 4wd

> 1) Fan shroud ... yes you should probably have one. You will need to
That's what I was afraid of. If anyone out there has any
suggestions on where to find one....

> that goes to the tie rod, you commented on the angle it's at... you might
> try just flipping it around to the other side of the arm, that way it
>will flatten out some of the angles ... may make steering a bit easier too.
I thought of this, but it looks like the arm has rounded on one side,
flat on the other. hmm. Maybe I'll take another look at it.

> Great site, I love the pics too ... looks like you've got a really nice
> truck there.
LOL. I just thru it together this morning so I could share the
pictures. It's a fun truck to drive. (hard to park)

Cheers
- -josh
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:24:02 -0800 (PST)
From: brian michael logan
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Transmission?

Does the list know what is meant by a "toploader" transmission? Is it
ford?

A older friend of mine always had one laying around the yard. He intended
to put it behind a HP 289 in his truck. It was a really big deal to him.
He's since passed, and I can't remember exactly what the big deal was or
why it never went in. If it's a jewel, I'll go over and see if his
non-truck-enthusiast son still has it laying around.

Thanks.

Brian M. Logan
1967 F-100 240i6
1968 F-100 300i6
_____________________________________________________________________________
B r i a n M i c h a e l L o g a n


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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 13:55:00 -0600
From: "Steve Schmeckpeper"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Thanks for advice on: 72 "Custom Sport" 4wd

Josh said:

That's oil dripping down teh side of the sterring arm. I spilled when I was
filling the manual steering box. How easy are these things to find? mine is
acting funny. got some play in it; and a spot where it's hard to turn it
past. Sort of like somebody tried to take the play out and over adjusted the
adjusting nut. Or can they be rebuilt with parts from your average parts
store?

Smeck's reply

Josh, Great looking wheels > Your manual steering box uses GREASE and
the spot where it's hard to turn past is CENTER. From your description I'd
guess it's adjusted TOO TIGHT. Better tend to it promptly. You'll have to
remove the box in order to adjust it correctly. (It would be a good idea to
replace the seal while you have the box out of the truck) If all goes well
you can drain the oil out, fill it with grease and put it back in service.
The manual steering box's are scarce as hen's teeth. I found a rebuilt the
other day though for ~350.00. Hope this helps.

Smeck

79 F100
FTE "Brain Trust"


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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:30:31 -0800
From: "Josh Assing"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Thanks for advice on: 72 "Custom Sport" 4wd

> Josh, Great looking wheels >
thanks... Hope I can keep it. Will talk to insurance folks next week.
>Your manual steering box uses GREASE an
Oops.... I'll have to drain it and stick grease in it this weekend.It
was bone dry when I got it (nothing in it, you could hear metal etc)
I put the 90 weight in it; I had it out... didn't drive it anywhere, tho,
but it's got to be better than nothing. I guess I will buy the shop
manual now.. Thanks for pointing it out.


> guess it's adjusted TOO TIGHT. Better tend to it promptly. You'll have to
It's got 4-6" of play in it. I loosened it already to see if it was too
tight; but it "thump" and difficult position still existed. I think that it
was this way for a while and now it's worn that way inside the box.

> remove the box in order to adjust it correctly. (It would be a good idea
> to replace the seal while you have the box out of the truck) If all goes
will tend to it this weekend. (Including seals & grease!)

> rebuilt the other day though for ~350.00. Hope this helps.
YOUCH! I'll try opening it up and seeing what it looks like; maybe I
can find a gear or two somewhere.

- -josh

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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 15:19:27 -0600
From: "Steve Schmeckpeper"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Thanks for advice on: 72 "Custom Sport" 4wd

Josh said-
I'll try opening it up and seeing what it looks like; maybe I
>can find a gear or two somewhere.
Smeck said-
There are TWO adjustments and you really don't have to tear the box down to
adjust it, change the seal and refill with grease. I'd try to adjust it
first and tear down as a last resort. Be careful if you disassemble!! If the
balls drop out of that cage thingy (don't have the manual at work & forgot
the name) that goes around the input shaft you might loose one or two and
that might be a problem. There is a procedure for putting them back in.....
it's no big deal if you have them ALL.
I got my info from the Chilton's Unit Overhaul Section, Manual Steering/
Recirculating-Ball type. Be glad to share with you if you can't find.


Smeck

79 F100
FTE "Brain Trust"


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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 13:27:40 -0800
From: "Josh Assing"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Thanks for advice on: 72 "Custom Sport" 4wd

> There are TWO adjustments and you really don't have to tear the box down
> to adjust it, change the seal and refill with grease. I'd try to adjust it
> first and tear down as a last resort. Be careful if you disassemble!! If
The screw/nut combo on the top didn't help. If I loosened it; the
steering got more play; but didn't get rid of the "thump" in turning.
I'll be careful if I take apart.... I say that now; but who knows
how I'll be when I actually do it... Those things have a way of
dropping an important part when you least expect it.

> Chilton's Unit Overhaul Section, Manual Steering/ Recirculating-Ball type.
> Be glad to share with you if you can't find.
I admit I'm a novice as keeping my beasts running. I can do it; but
I'm never shy about asking for advice & taking those words of
wisdom from folks in the know. I'll stop by the local auto parts
store to see if they have chiltons.



- -josh

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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 13:44:51 -0800 (PST)
From: draco pacifier.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FE Shorty Headers - FPA

I got the photos of the Galaxie headers from Stan at FPA and have
them up on my web page.

The direct link is:

www.pacifier.com/~draco/FPAHeaders.html


Mark in Southwest Washington
www.pacifier.com/~draco
- --
'74 F-100 4X4
'74 F-250 Supercab

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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 13:56:08 -0800
From: "Josh Assing"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Thanks for advice on: 72 "Custom Sport" 4wd

> My folks had a 1970 2wd. That little light on the lower left of the dash
> says "brake". I don't know if it's hooked into the e-brake or possibly

I vote for master cylinder.. it doesn't seem to have a switch
anywhere near the ebrake. I'm buying a manual tonight (hopefully)
and maybe it will shed light on it for us (pun intended)

- -j
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 17:02:26 -0500 (EST)
From: CLARE WATERMAN
Subject: FTE 61-79 - fuel pump specs

does anyone out there know the specs (psi, GPH capacity) on the OEM
mechanical fuel pump from a 71 360? you know, the hideous one with the
screw on filter unit. (hideous as in not aesthetically pleasing)

TIA

clare

Clare M. Waterman-Storer, Ph.D.
Department of Biology
University of North Carolina
Chapel Hill, NC, 27599-3280

T: (919)-962-2354
F: (919)-962-1625


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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:31:12 -0800
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 240 or 300?

>I had posted a message a few days ago asking if there was any sure-fire easy
>way to tell a 240 from a 300.
>Does the lack of response mean there is no easy way to tell or does it mean
>that the question is so dumb that it doesn't deserve an answer?
>John

The question isn't dumb, I wish I knew a way to tell...
There's know way to tell that i know of. Same block and head and
same external hardware. The 300 is just a stroked 240, so you can
use a small wood dowel thru the spark plug hole to measure the
stroke and see which it is...


Steve
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"There are no stupid questions... just stupid people."

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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 15:42:16 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FE Shorty Headers - FPA

Thanks for your message at 01:44 PM 3/11/99 -0800, draco pacifier.com. Your
message was:
>I got the photos of the Galaxie headers from Stan at FPA and have
>them up on my web page.
>www.pacifier.com/~draco/FPAHeaders.html

Very nice! Makes me wanna go out and find an FE...

Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 18:45:34 EST
From: MongoCaver aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 F-150 High Output Halogen Lights

Are the high output halogens the ones that are 55 watts on low beam and 65
watts on high beam? If so, I believe a regular halogen is still 65 watt on
high beam, which makes it look like the high outputs are just increasing the
wattage at low beam. Might be kinda bad in heavy fog.
James
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 17:27:42 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351m400

Yep yer missin' somthing. The 400 pistons and the 351C pistons have the same
compression height not the 351M. Putting the 351M pistons in your 400 motor
would yield lots of bad noises and broken parts.

- -----Original Message-----
From: MARK DAVIES
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351m400


Dave, im missing something here probably staring rate at me my
question is if the 351c and the 351m pistons are the same bore
and the same comp height why would i change them then why go
through the trouble? the 351c or the 351m pistons would give me the
same deck clearance 0.067" if im aiming for 0" deck clearance why
wouldnt i just shave the deck height down or shave the heads the
diff of .067" ???? is absolute 0" the ideal for deck clearance and
if so what kind of comp ratio would i pull off? i guess my whole
question is what do i get out of using 351c pistons? ok.ok. ill order
the book this weekend thanx ever so much, gonna be a m-block god too
someday.



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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 17:29:50 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 240 or 300?

60


- -----Original Message-----
From: John R. Austin
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, March 10, 1999 8:02 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 240 or 300?


>You are forgiven, my son. Now, can you tell me how to tell the difference
>between a 240 and a 300?
>John



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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 18:32:31 -0800
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 F-150 High Output Halogen Lights

At 02:09 PM 3/11/99 EST, you wrote:
>Perhaps this was covered, but I wanted to upgrade the 2 big square
>headlights in a 78 F-150.

>All halogens require FULL voltage for maximum life, whereas non-halogen
>bulbs actually last longer (but dimmer) on lower voltage.

Yes, that's very true. The bulb needs to maintain a certain envelope
temperature for the halogen cycle to operate. If the voltage is too
low, evaporated tungsten will deposit on the glass envelope instead
of redepositing back on to the filiment.
Low voltage on halogen bulbs = poor light output and early death.
Many ford trucks suffer from "low voltage to the headlights syndrome"
and the somewhat higher current draw of most halogen bulbs makes
the low voltage problem even worse.

> There was a
>tech article on the FTE web site discussing headlight relays, but it is
>the only article that won't download for me.

That's odd. I haven't had any other complaints from folks not able
to download it. It worked for me a few minutes ago.
Try again and if it still doesn't work and you want it email me off list
and I'll try and dig up a copy and send you.


Steve
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"There are no stupid questions... just stupid people."

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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 18:39:11 -0800
From: "J.S.H."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Gravity bleed

How do you gravity bleed brakes?I ran a hose from each of my rear brakes
into a 1/4 full bottles of fluid,cracked the bleeders open took lid
off of M/C and let it sit for a couple of hours.The level in the M/C
didn't drop at all .I must have missed something,but what?
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 22:35:20 -0600
From: "Oscar Johnson"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Thanks to all for advice on: 72 "Custom Sport" 4wd

Josh,

I've got a 71 F250 Ranger XLT with a similar dash; the red light on the
left in mine is the brake warning light. It comes on when the parking brake
is engaged and when the brake proportioning valve is pushed to one side or
the other (ostensibly when there is a problem with either the front disc
brakes or the rear drum brakes). BTW, you have a very nice looking truck.

Regards,
O.T. Johnson
Prattville, AL


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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 00:41:03 -0500
From: Ted Wnorowski
Subject: FTE 61-79 - '67 F-250

This was in the Toledo (OH) Blade:

FORD '67 F-250 Camper Special, exc. shape, 351 M400, new trans, radiator, tires & CD player. Lots of extras. $1800 or best offer. Call for details.
(419)476-4653
Thought someone might be interested,

Ted Wnorowski
Bellevue,OH

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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 00:13:58 -0600
From: Jeremy Stiffler
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Thanks for the info

Thanks all for the info relating to how to take my gas tank off of my truck.
Today I'm going to take the bandit out onto the highways and haul it up to
Austin to where home is. Once I get up there my dad and I will proceed to
take it off the truck and get it repaired and take a look at the sending
unit to see if it needs to be replaced.

Jeremy L. S.
1973 F-100 Ranger XLT "The Green Bandit"
360CI, V8, 2WD, Two-Tone Green

FORD, not just a vehicle...a way of life.

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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 01:48:13 EST
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Fueling Heads using fast burn

In a message dated 3/11/99 6:02:13 AM Pacific Standard Time, myph....


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